Our analysis of Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols, all in one video. If you enjoy this content, please subscribe, like and leave a comment. It really helps out the KZread algorithm. Thank you for watching and thanks for the support! Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:29 Decadence & Socrates 12:31 Morality Against Nature 18:04 The Weak Against the Strong

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for das one with everything, weltgeist.

@gazrater1820

3 жыл бұрын

Great content. Thank you.

@sahilp9470

3 жыл бұрын

I fuckin love you man, no homo

The amount of time and research in preparing such quality videos is highly appreciable. When there is so much stuff on KZread for the herd, such literary channels are like fresh air for the few who still consider ideas preferable over the useless stuff.

@WeltgeistYT

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words

@alijibran2973

Жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT please make a series on Birth of Tragedy

@WeltgeistYT

Жыл бұрын

@@alijibran2973 Definitely

You do such a great job of going straight to the juicy points and the essence of Nietzsche's thought. Thank you so much for not dumbing things down while yelling at a camera

Excellent work, thank you for the effort. This is an great "TL;DR", Twilight is probably my favorite work of Nietzsche's and has been a massive influence on my thinking. It taught me that the slaughter of sacred cows is a necessity for real progress, no matter the arena, be it social, political, religious or simple day to day life. Never let traditions or authority stand in the way. Greatness is seized, not bestowed.

Thank You, Nietzsche played a large part in my life.

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

Mine too

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche, until understood the way he himself has seen it, is always seen according to ones own eyes, just like Osho was misunderstood. So be careful when u give such statements my friend. It could be ur own ideas too 😊

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT You should try to see Nietzsche through the eyes of NEW AGE SPIRITUALITY and Oshos ideas of CELEBRATION as well, my friend. Your commentary and research is too good as if Nietzsche himself might be giving his ideas, more or less. Btw, Iam an Indian 😊👍

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT Why do I say to see Nietzsche with the eyes of New Age Spirituality or Osho, is that just like in Osho, there can be a possibility of creating 'EVER LASTING JOY AND EXPERIENCING CREATIVITY", if one can trust ones senses and still attain to Moderation of the senses or the instincts and attain self-control all by his own insights and experiences in life, and not because either Osho or Nietzsche says it so. There is nothing wrong in seeking Fulfillment, than just glorify instincts without necessary insights yet to channelise the life energy to cherish in its creativity in a great control, rather than just seeking sensory or sexual gratification alone, because such attitude is not only always followed by disappointment of not having it when wanting it immediately, but also in wasting time unproductively, actually in dealing with ones own life in relating with either the world or people around, making life bored and depressed without any of them. 👍 Osho seemed to have fulfilled the missing link without negating the senses and the instincts, where a Buddha or Arthur Schopenhauer or even Nietzsche himself have failed too, in his own way, in order to make friends with all and cherish the creativity (and innocence) behind the act for eternal times.

You are the only KZreadr that truly understands Nietzche.

Your channel is the best thing I've found so far. Thank you so much. I will ask some questions on some of your videos. Thank you.

Thanks for posting this. It was very easy to follow and kept me engaged! 🙏

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Congrats on you content!I think your channel is valuable and deserves more views…so this comment is just for the algorithm.Good job👍

Love and appreciate your work in bringing this knowledge to a wider audience Plus your accent really helps ❤

Nice! Videos like these always go well with artwork

Nietzsche's philosophy played a major role in changing my life

@lifeisabadjoke5750

2 ай бұрын

How so

The hammer is about destruction, construction but also evaluation (like the hammer for reflex). This video is great

@lastruebeliever

Жыл бұрын

Checks if things are in tune.

@-Llama_95

Жыл бұрын

@@lastruebeliever yes, preface clearly states that is the case. Mr.B is right.

phenomenal presentation…. thank you!

So Happy to be in this time of Life. Made so easy to understand

Always Fascinating. They should teach the youth this stuf.

@manjil6090

2 жыл бұрын

well that can be learned by themself right ? i being 17 year old i am here just to simply learn about his work this can be done by anyone if this was taught in my class by some teacher i would probably ignore it and could believe i hate his work or philosophy cause those exams didnt work for me (i am from third world country and we have one of the worst education system )

Thanks for putting this all together. Nietsche is rough to take, I think here of a line from Heidegger. Pain gives of it's healing power where we least expect it ✨ Please keep sharing your work and insights with us!

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Frank for the lovely comment

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

Pain must be good because it gives of its healing power where I expect it.

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

@@satnamo You are talking of a physical or sexual pain. He was talking of Mental pain. Both are not same, even though according to Nietzsche, any pain&pleasure can be moderated, and channelised into the happiness we are looking for. That is his theory of CREATION and enjoying it amidst Nihilism, the theory he proposed

your stuff is so helpful

1:59 WOOOOOW That's the Ending Ranni's route!!!! GORGEOUS execution by the way.

nietzsche had reached the correct conclusion, and his own health conditions, his inability to reach it himself, drove him mad. keep in mind that his health conditions are what lead to him to realize the truth in the first place, cruelest irony.

This video is perfect. I would like to prepare a short lecture out of it and deliver at the class tomorrow.

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

How did it go?

Excellent presentation added the bell to my subscription

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard

Great series.

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Nim, always a pleasure

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

Of what is great Weltgeist speaks with greatness Or be silent because silent is Golden since truth must be realized in silence and his name is aum.

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

@@satnamo Beyond Silence is Transcendence. One needs great degree of Compassion first, in order to transcend to his own Celebrating of life.

Thank You so much. I am reclaiming the power of action and instinct in my life.

@satnamo

2 жыл бұрын

Me too jr

Great Video!

Brilliant! Thank you!

@WeltgeistYT

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting

Nietzsche's definition of what is strong and weak is hard to understand, and maybe it's just that I don't understand it enough, but it seems contradictory or arbitrary at times. It seems that what is strong for Nietzsche is whatever will get you what you want, in this sense it's a sort of "power", "power to do something" let's say. Reversely what is weak is what can't get what it wants and has to make up excuses for it, a lack of power which leads to craftiness. But isn't craftiness a sort of power, and isn't it a way to get what you want as well? Take the example of David and Goliath : Whether crafty or strong, David got what he wanted, ie to defeat Goliath. David was powerful, his cunning enabled him to get what he wanted, and Goliath was weak because he couldn't. Had David had more raw muscular power, he might have defeated Goliath all the same, it doesn't seem to matter, he got what he wanted, that is, he was powerful. As such, anything like manipulation, craftiness, reason, is another kind of power - and it seems to be part of our instincts to make use of them as well (otherwise how could they exist? We have elvoved these tools, and they were not selected against, because they were useful enough, i.e. they got us what we wanted). This means reason, craftiness, etc, are precisely part of our instinct, and can't be degenerative from this definition of strength/weakness. There'd be more to say, but in any case, it's weird to me how Nietzsche defines instinct, strength, etc. For example, it seems that compassion is part of our instincts, and it's the reverse, being cold and selfish, that seems to be a degenerative behavior (as in nature just like in society, this only means being ostracized, not trusted, unliked, and dying alone... or being murdered by your tribe).

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Very true. This is a big issue with Nietzsche’s philosophy. For example, there is also the fact that Christian monarchies (a weak religion) once upon a time ruled the entire world. There is much to say about this topic, I might do another vid on it

@Hboybatman

3 жыл бұрын

I think the same applies for what Nietzsche would define as nihilistic. It’s very subjective to what he personally felt denied life. A lot has been said about it by countless other people, but if he insists that truth is not necessary and everything can only be an interpretation, then there’s not much incentive to believe his own interpretations. The frameworks and concepts he brought to light are more valuable than a lot of his conclusions, which are often inconsistent and change constantly over time.

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

My friend, Christianity has not been able to help any human realise his 'OWN TRUE INNER POWER' through its Bible or its craftiness and manipulations etc (which are also subversive or perversive forms of instinct too), as much as NIETZSCHE through his works about Zarathustra or his efforts and his books to appreciate life in a more creative, positive and celebrative way without actually a need to neither condemn instincts, nor seeing the dark negative shades of life too, as final. 😊 His last book Nietzsche planned to write, Dionysius, the eternal recurrence that indirectly approves of THE LAW OF REINCARNATION as a way of experiencing life more&more, with more lifetimes might be indicating that every person someday can really reach to the same insights and compassion personally too, as Nietzsche did.

@svenhellqvist4614

2 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche agrees that craftiness is a power, and he affirms that the priestly morality is a powerful tool to control; one of his biggest points is that slave-morality, ressentiment, is a form of veiled power in the guise of its denial. However it is not a life-affirming power which is why it leads to nihilism

My favourite work of nietzsche

My experience with orthodox Christianity is a bit different than what was described here. I was taught, as it was said in genesis, the world is "good". The only thing bad about the world is the people in it. Also, monks weren't in the monastery in order to avoid temptation (mostly). Ancient books by monks/saints said you should seek out temptation on purpose, such as by being in the company of people who annoy you, so that you can overcome your passions. They said only sexual desire was too strong to be trusted and that's the only temptation you should avoid, since most people don't have the will to overcome that desire. And my experience of living in a monastery for a time is that it is harder in some ways to sit alone in a quiet room than to go out and be distracted by many things. "Strong" and "weak" as given in that example at the dinner table applies only to physical strength. But men are obviously not unique among other animals for their physical strength. Humans are able to dominate all other life largely because we cooperate. But how are you going to cooperate if you don't come up with mutually agreed upon ideas about where your rights begin and end? No group will get off the ground if every member claims a larger-than-average share of the pie. I do not see resisting instincts to the the opposite of strength, but rather basically the same as strength, if used in wisdom. A strong man who cannot control his anger will get into many useless fights that are contrary to his interests. Probably the most important factor in having a strong society is in controlling the sexual impulse. All cultures at all times have expanded and been strong when there were strong morals in place.

@govindmulani4573

2 жыл бұрын

This man right here, most brilliant comeback against Nietzsche's philosophy

@giannismpastas4097

2 жыл бұрын

@@govindmulani4573 i m not sure, it seems to me that philosophy was at its best when there was no(or tiny )sexual restictions. ancients greece mentors would have a pedophile profile in modern world but them or their students created some of the strongest phylosofy movements of all time skeptics,cynics,stoics who all were a kind of atheists as far as i m conserned.after(or with) greeks there was romans with the historical interacial orgies and the huge blood painted arenas. some great philosophers came from this inviroment too. and last, enlightment till today ,most of the phylosophy and art creativity comes from countries that had "holy church"breakdowns and created more liberal-sexualy open type societies like france germany spain and england . so i m not sure that @ Brendan Golledge 's point of view is that clear, sounds more of an idol projection than a comeback. sounds like a certification ,dont you think?

@lekkerkoffie8605

2 жыл бұрын

@@govindmulani4573 No it is not very sophisticated at all.

@ostiariusalpha

2 жыл бұрын

Nietzche doesn't really require a sophisticated argument to pick apart, even basic truths blow his more radical positions to dust. His philosophic treatises are a good counterpoint and context against the fossilized and fetishized elements of the Socratic/Aristotelian tradition, but they aren't themselves true.

@lekkerkoffie8605

2 жыл бұрын

@@ostiariusalpha I wonder what these basic truths are that you talk about.

This was the first Nietzsche book I ever read. It was a good one to start with. 20:11 The whole "you didn't dump me, I dumped you!" is part of that too.

Can we get a video about "Human, All Too Human" too, please? Keep up the great job 🙌

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely

Thanks 😊

Thanks dude

Absolutely adore this book---and love the video! Thanks again, comrade. After finding it in an airport bookstore (back when they still had Philosophy sections instead of the self-help spiritualist trash stocking the airport-bookstore shelves these days...), when I was around 14, I made a habit of rereading Götzen-Dämmerung (along with The Anti-Christ---Hollingdale translation, of course!) every spring. To this day I think I may have missed just one or two springs in there...but the other times I've reread these "brief but devastating works" more than make up for it! "HAVE I BEEN UNDERSTOOD?" Didn't think so, but thanks for not asking!!!!!! :) Cheers, GFK

fantastic

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

I like to believe nitezsche intended reason to be equal to the passions rather than above it(as all the decadanced do). In fact I believe rationality to be a special passion instilled in just for man and thus we tend to abuse it. Removing reason itself would remove a part of life and ourselves that makes us human. We must abide to our passions but also reason for they are not opposites. Take the temptation example, one of our passions will tell us to fall for the temptation but we stay strong willed and resist it. But how do the resist it? We do so with another passion and this being reason. E.g. if I eat this donut I will fail my diet. This is reason at play along with the passion of will to power. The next day you feel stronger and more powerful by resisting it and you used reason to refuse a passion. In the same sense you can use reason the same way as you said in the video which is to be like you can't fire me I quit. I believe your video on will to power actually agrees with me. Thoughts?

I Love Your Stuff 🥰

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

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@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it. Not Dova though ;)

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3 жыл бұрын

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@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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Hi, which translations of Nietzsche would you recommend? I noticed in your videos you use the really old translations edited by Dr Oscar Levy in the early 20th century. I also remember Walter Kaufmann and others warning against using these translations because they were full of errors.

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Hollingdale. I like Oscar because it’s public domain. It’s a copyright thing. But personally I read it in German. I did spot some mistakes in Oscar but not the excerpts I use in videos. I check.

@ryokan9120

2 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT You are very fortunate to be able to read Nietzsche in German. I've had to rely on the translations by Hollingdale and Kaufmann, although recently I've been looking at the translations by Stanford University Press and apparently they have undergone rigorous editing to further improve on the previous translations. Thanks for all the videos. They are very illuminating.

It's so strange. Through my reading of Nietzsche, he often seems to flip-flop between being a moral anti-realist, and then being a moral realist of sorts. In the morality against nature section of the video, he seems to be affirming some type of morality. A morality that is centered on having a strong will. Being able to conquer your passions without having to remove them, and through having a strong will rather then being weak willed and giving into them. Which would make sense for Nietzsche. But there are other passages where he is a total anti-realist. I love Nietzsche, but this really bothers me. Maybe I have a misunderstanding.

@minotaur818

2 жыл бұрын

Lets be honest, Nietzsche was most likely a very moody and impulsive person. Although its impossible, it would be interesting to know what went on in his personal life at the point of writing those passages, and how these could effect his emotions and ultimately his conclusions on things at those moments.

@giannismpastas4097

2 жыл бұрын

i got what is bothering you,bothered me too and i came to that. his words (over simplied) was: as an intividual you got to destroy societies morality and create your own .by that you make a strong will and you live without the restriction of morality(others morality) which compresses you. when you are there and only if you are, you can live and concider your self free and alive.in his morality some parts are moraly realistic and some anti realistic but that is the beauty of the morality made it doesnt have to obey the rules. he didnt claim that his morality has the best and surelly the most reasonable .my suggestion to you is to try more for the point of his view and less from the origin or the phylosophical spectrum of it.wish you the best

@OneLine122

Жыл бұрын

He does not believe in truth, so he can flip flop all he wants. It's not the first place he contradicts himself, of just plainly lie. I think his real point is he doesn't like other people that tell him what to do, so he calls them names.

@elia8544

Жыл бұрын

@@OneLine122wow what a great an insightful take really!

@user-bp1nc4ug4j

5 ай бұрын

​@@OneLine122well the fact is that truth is an abstract term and can change a lot from person to person, so indeed we don't have an absolute truth that we can rely upon

Im my personal opinion, theres only about two philosophers worth their weight in gold and understood people and life more than anyone else. And that was Neitzche and Diogenes. The rest kind of feel "off the mark" on a lot of things but for me those two seemed to really understand what the universe was trying to tell them. Neitzche in particular is cautionary tale about the void gazing back. The irony of him also coining the quote is startling.

moral or cultural de line through through in dulgunce in pleasures. I've not nor is it used in the way or meaning attached by yourself. still very refreshing and just as stimulating to listen to your precise.

Fasting is actually the best thing I have done for my health. You have to be very strong to fast:)

Thx,a lot,, 🎩

Totally agree. 🙏🏻❤

I'm trying to determine which of the "great sages" proclaimed that life was not worth living? Their campaign, especially their moral campaign, is an investigation into what will provide the human person with the best life possible.

@ww2germanhero

Жыл бұрын

For what I understand a lot those "sages" believe this current reality is some sort of a less important projection of a wider reality (God / Heaven / Nirvana / Mind etc). For Nietzsche, there isn't such a thing: this reality is all we got. So, despising this current reality would be to hate the only reality that exists, therefore to hate life itself.

At 16:00 minutes is the philosophy which probably guided Mahatama Gandhi to undertake his experiments (sleeping naked with young girls, his nieces) to control, to master his senses. (Autobiography. My experiments with truth)

Wow. One of the greatest videos on the internet. Especially the last part.

@WeltgeistYT

Жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

I don't know if it's just the the analogy of the dinner table, that you didn't fully convey what he meant or that I don't understand Nietzsche (probably all) But I think the collective aspect is overlooked here. If you're greedy and don't share the food, the group will shun you and you will not be able to call on them if you ever need help. Humans are collective animals. Strength for yourself and strength for others are two different things. (Edit: Kaarn S. summed it up well)

@OneLine122

Жыл бұрын

It's why he says the strong is alone. He also gets his butt kicked by the weak. I don't think it is overlooked. He's say humans are collective because they are weak, decadent, nihilists and so on.

With his profound insight and philosophy, Nietzsche inspired me to grow a mustache

Is Nietzsche advocating then for a society of strong people who yield to their instinct or is for a society where people are not so coward? To me it makes a big difference. Any thought?

What is your recommended translation of the Twilight of the idols?

8:45-9:25 The inner monologue of a tantrum-throwing fame-hungry starlet from any given episode of MTV's _My Super Sweet Sixteen._ That, or masterful trolling.

Wouldn’t an expression of greed be the passion, or an acting upon greedy impulses an act of passion?

Excellent video. While I do respect Nietzsche in certain areas, I find him contradictory and a bit childish in his approach; He explains the weak are only strong in numbers and have only 'rationale' as an effective weapon, but that makes no sense, because if the weak can outsmart the 'strong', then the strong is overall weak. Nietzsche was obsessed with the material world, but almost to a primitive degree, psychologically speaking. Another contradiction he made was when he emphasised that people shouldn't act with impulsive thoughts, yet he also claims humans should be free to act instinctively (the strong will take food from the table, not ask). So again he focuses on material (muscles) rather than psychological 'well being', which is also why he attacked morality. I agree that humans should be free to use our instincts, but if we forget how our instincts are shaped and blindly allow them to take over our overall 'rationale', then we become subject to far more negative experiences than necessary. This is why Plato, Socrates and others Nietzsche attacks, emphasised that we must learn to understand our feelings and emotions, and why the body 'lies to us'. The body lies because it doesn't tell us why exactly we feel emotions or how best to react to a given situation, especially when our emotions are in the extreme (if our bodies didn't lie then we would all be geniuses and automatically know everything, simply because we 'feel') However the truth is we require understanding in order to make the best choices, and understanding requires information. If one simply negates the use of information instead for meer untrained instincts (again the strong who grab food from the table), then of course such a person has limited themselves to a greater understanding, because they ignored the information. That's why I really enjoyed your video, you present your findings very well without a hint of bias. An incredible skill especially in these times. Great work!

Weakness is what occurs when one function is promoted to the obliteration of the others. Hence, untergang. He who is small in strength is great in cunning.

This was a great video but it didn't clear up the contradictions (well "contradictions" in case I have misunderstood the book) about the will Nietzsche talks so much about. As you have explained it Nietzsche champions the men who base their life on their instincts, but if you follow your instincts why would you need will? Don't we use our will to surpress our instincts, wether they are fear, tiredness, hunger, sadness, anger etc. ? Also based on his worldview he seems like a determinist, which would contradict his worldview even more. I do believe that Twilight of the Idols has lots of wisdom in it, but that's exactly why these contradictions annoy me so much. Am I missing something?

@OneLine122

Жыл бұрын

He does not like wisdom, so he surely won't write any. But anyway, the will does not suppress anything, it's a modern conception, or ignorance. Like he says here, it's the intellect that does, the will just wills, it chooses what the intellect presents to it, so if there is suppression, it's the fault of the intellect, also why there is no wisdom in N. because wisdom is intellect as well. Basically if you will power, you will whatever is there, while the intellect only constrains you, so make you powerless. But it can help you get what you want, like a predator let's say.

Interesting.

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

The adventure of life is to learn what I find interesting And remember what matter to me. Teaching is even more difficult than learning because what teaching calls for is this: To let learn Because genuine interest cannot be forced. Not forcing is Wu wei: You are in me because I am in you, Wu Wei; We are 1

6:08 Re: The Wise judge life as no good. In terms of Christianity, which also sticks it to the wisdom of the philosophers in the NT, does his criticism scathe, or emulate, the foundational statement in John that God so loved the world that he gave his only son to it? The wisdom of the philosophers of which Nietzche speaks is the wisdom of Schopenhauer, of the Buddha, that life is suffering. Paul speaks derisively of the wisdom of philosophers as well (not that Nietzche or most 'Nietzscheans' would much appreciate that comparison, I don't imagine). We cannot deny the suffering of this world. God does not deny that in his love for the world. Yet the attitude of He who may be defined by J. Peterson and others as "The best of our humanity' is to love this world to embody it to the last cell and molecule. There were few points of Nietzsche's life that was not suffering, physical weakness and anguish. Pain defined his adult life to the highest degree. But ultimately, Nietzche intellectually embraces suffering as the means through which his will to power grows. I wonder if he already saw his future in this, crucified on the cross like that, as real as any dream, and that has no waking? His instinct definitely would have already been willing it already, laying out the foundations, willing power through suffering. That is the way of the body, the way of life. Growth comes through suffering. To live is to grow, to expand. That is according to the nature of life, empirically observable. Did he consciously embrace that suffering as well, double down on what was already happening within him, in a Mephistophelean deal of his own choosing? Power comes through suffering after all. This is what he would have ought to have wanted. To love the world is to love the cross as well, somehow, someway. It is a different kind of love, s harder kind of love than anything that society speaks about. That involves a will that is exponentially greater than merely human. That is a transcendent will, greater than merely a survival mechanism which is pain averse, beyond the time or reach of cerebral cortex function, a will that cerebral function evolved from even. Or, there is nothing 'mere' about being human. People, like cockroaches, have evolved to survive any hell, to thrive here even. And Nietzche's hammer is forging us still. 6:09 ...

11:06 5:39

1:30 fading sunrise in the shadows…

15:55

Defining 'the strong' and 'weak' is in itself vague and surely hugely about perspective. Look at history.

I chose to travel the world in the sixties rather than continue on to (so-called) higher education. I am self-educated according to my needs, desires, interests. This freed me to discover Neitzsche at a ripe old age and to thrill over the genius of this being as I never may have in the context of scholarship or at a younger, less relevant stage of life. Thank you Wetgeist!

Best way of explaining the rigmarole of life in this world as a whole: of Nietzsche and his philosophy, the father of Greek philosophy-Socrates and the Nazareth’s prophet Jesus are both very similar to the German philosopher. Nonetheless, Nietzsche differed with their ideas in his writings: while trying to explain them as historical figures in their respective times, Nietzsche describes them as being born with the weaker will than their opponents who based solely based on their experiences with power and influence over others. Who is to say they were not born weaker than their opponents in their times rather they created their own schools for guiding the people. The reason is that they are immortalised while their killers are being executed daily. Who won and who lost is a mystery to the people of the contemplative minds who believe the judgment is not their domain. Nevertheless, the weak have been against the strong, this is not untrue. Pakistan

Why not use decadence?

Modern day dismisses philosophy as "virtue signaling". It's about mating and personal elevation.

16:06

I'm surprised even Nietzche missed the point of David and Goliath. The whole point of the story is that Goliath never stood a chance. Goliath was the underdog and he lost as should have been expected. Goliath was a hulking strongman, perhaps with some Giant Heritage. Whereas David found favor with the supreme creator of the universe. Look at it through that lens and tell me if Nietzche would still disapprove of the story.

@groundzero5708

4 ай бұрын

yes . again this is a story . stories are propanganda itself

@jaredkommer5465

Ай бұрын

It's not a very deep story, I'm sure he didn't miss the point of it

Peterson is the perfect description of weakness in Nietzsche's philosophy: he relies on words, he preaches reason, he's stuffy and intellectual, he worships transcendental ideals such as responsibility and the Logos that are completely dissociated from reality and the instincts, he equates maturity with delayed gratification, he wantonly mingles with others, suckles on the the of Jung to protect himself from his own ideal as a master of language, and consulted a primatologiest to rationalize how he's a man in spite of his agreeableness instead of accepting agreeableness as his instinct. Is Nietzsche correct? I am not certain because as informative as this video was, I have not read _Twilight of the Idols_ and have found in the past that great thinkers Jung weren't saying what other people said they were in the slightest.

@PlatoOnnPluto

Жыл бұрын

Peterson is a influencer and psychologist. ( a good man) Reasoning is why your reality/universe was built. I love how nietzsche will flip you on your head, but cmon. Socrates would wipe the floor with this man.

Fascinating, he really takes what is vilified and grandreur it, but i'm confused... If the weak is dominant that strong can't rise against them is the weak really weak? What it means to be strong? It's to take what you want? The weak did just that. All traits that he complained being for the weak are those DK Joker used to completely toy with batman and flip the city on its head. Of course the smartest strategist or martial artist vs an atomic bomb will be reduced to less than dust but he can find a way to fight it back or avoid it with the same technology that was used to create the bomb. His mindset is a brawler, the exact thing the Roman army were famous for NOT using it, the strongest armies of all time are also the smartest. Only someone who never fought would disregard wits like that and create a separating between wits and strength. They are actually related, Golliath power wouldnt be developed without proper diet and training.

His the best philosopher period all the others are just life is like that complicated and they compare everything to something but this guy is different and indeed he is right

6:13-7:11 It's just so comically off the mark, his take on the _Consensus Sapientium;_ the baseless narrative where all philosophers are painted as tacit existential rejectionists. It's more like: Late-stage Nietzsche scores a perfect 10/10 on existential affirmationism, notices that virtually no one else scored *that* high (which is itself arguable, think Leibniz to start), and proceeds to go all in on dichotomous thinking; construing all the 9/10 or 8/10 or 7/10 affirmationists as rejectionists. Boo wise rejectionists! I guess attention to detail and gradations and slightly different albeit logically contiguous conclusions on life... all this stuff was too much of a buzzkill for him; too _life-denying_ to bother with. No wonder people speculated that madness had started creeping in at this stage. _"They were sick, they were decadent"_ Classy. Pathologizing his betters when he's the one who could've benefitted from at least a bit of medicalization at this point, and from more very soon thereafter. Still a literary genius though, much as it pains me to admit.

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment. I too think his broad generalizations aren’t always warranted. Still, his point stands… Nietzsche is at his best when he’s un-nuanced

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment. I too think his broad generalizations aren’t always warranted. Still, his point stands… Nietzsche is at his best when he’s un-nuanced

@No_Avail

2 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT Thanks. I actually anticipated a bit of critical editorializing from you on this one, given all the Schopenhauer uploads. The sustained attention your channel pays to Schopenhauer had me speculate that you're firmly in the Schopenhauerian camp, or at least that you lean that way. Maybe you'd prefer to not disclose any of that. Maybe it's better that way, but I could write a novel in a spur-the-moment type way covering all the ways in which Nietzsche's mind went haywire philosophically as well as psychologically. In fact, as this video went on, I kept fighting the urge to let loose in this comment section and take up space with a mini-dissertation, because you certainly did nail it with this summary of _Twilight_ and it's still difficult for me to hear his views (at that time) spelled out so well without any pushback or skeptical follow-up. Even scholars of Nietzsche along with many continental philosophers aren't sold on his crazy ass Amor Fati, Will To Power, and the comically dubious dispositional-to-epistemic pipelines he postulated but never really defended. So one needn't subscribe to any type of philosophical pessimism to see how N was desperately trying to square the circle at this stage. I'm loving all the Schopenhauer uploads by the way, keep up the great work!

@liemind3292

2 жыл бұрын

Way too many of you guys are just competing for the smartest sounding comment. If normal people have to think about what those words mean then you're not as smart as you want everyone to think you are.

@No_Avail

2 жыл бұрын

@@liemind3292 Swing and a miss. So much stretching to read competitiveness (and vanity) into it, but you could apply that to any random activity that happens to be brainy and requires the attention of at least one other person. People play chess because they subjectively enjoy the game and because it's mentally stimulating. If there's a crowd that wants to watch a chess match, awesome. If not, awesome. I like playing chess, and I also comment on philosophy videos for the same reasons. Conceptual puzzles draw me in. If that comes across as showboaty, god only knows the levels of egomania we're supposed to attribute to people who sacrifice the best decades of their lives assuaging their status anxiety and chasing titles of prestige that are incredibly hard to get.

Nietzsche found out how to become one with God. Jung was interested in doing that without going insane. This should come as no surprise: the individuation process already existed long before Jung ever studied it and is itself what made Jungian psychology possible: Jung didn't create individuation, individuation created Jung. All he did was the far from insignificant word of identifying it. It is in this same sense that God created man, the Father created the Son, and the Son engendered the Father. What we are in the process of developing is a third entity that can more effectively harmonize the two, maybe even transcend them altogether.

'Decadence' has been adopted into English. No need to pronounce it in the French manner. Unless, does Nietzche mean something different than we understand it commonly in English?

@WeltgeistYT

9 ай бұрын

He insists on using the French word even in the German original, so it’s truer to the source to also adopt the French

Twilight of the Idols "serves as a summery of Nietzsche's philosophy . . . up until that point," a week before he went mad and never, presumably, philosophize again, so, obviously, it's not a complete summery of his philosophy.

How can I add Turkish subtitles to this beautiful video ?

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I waited for a new nietzsche video 😐

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Stay tuned for Wednesday

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

I can wait. I can fast. I can think. I am all corrected and straight.

8:45 Wow. But I don't know if it's bad. 16:00 Undergo a stimulus and after don't react to it. Don't remove impulses. Face them. Don't remove the nature. 21:30 Know your weaknesses. Be strong in what others aren't and also fight your weakness and make it strong. But focus on your strength

Through the use of reason, argument against the value of reason, and not acknowledge the irony. Reading and listening about Nietzsche, he seemed a great poet, writer and interesting human being, but he also seems like a complete mess as a person and his philosophy is too contradictory and chaotic and can be interpreted in way too many ways, its more a depiction of a troubled man that travels through his own philosophic journey, struggling with his frustrations. It seems like young angry men find acknowledgement for their immature and irrational emotions cultivated convictions, and thats a big part of Nietzsche's popularity. But its just my opinion. I enjoyed reading beyond good and Evil, and I listened to plenty podcasts, but I haven't read the rest of his books, so perhaps I'm missing an important part there. But love these videos, so thanks for that!

@WeltgeistYT

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I guess the equivalent of decadence would be decay.

@Vectivuss

2 жыл бұрын

A disgraceful state of being if you will

@OneLine122

Жыл бұрын

Degenerate is better translation, or perversion. He probably uses it because it is what he preaches, but he turns the concept on its head. I mean there are two meanings, one is moral, the other is a society that disintegrate, so he is using it in the second sense, not the former.

This is the first time I've noticed various issues in Nietzsche's words. "Intellect is a tool for the weak", says the philosopher. For him to truly believe this would be for him believe himself weak. Bed ridden and alone, migraines and blindness. Perhaps he did. The idea of going against one's passions being anti nature while advocating that the strong can resist their own passions. I don't know, perhaps I'm misreading, or missed something ... There seems to be a contradiction hidden there.

@viggoGodisgreat

2 жыл бұрын

On the second point the difference is between moralizing against natural desires and overcoming them through strength of will. To know why morals specifically are undesired, that is explained under "Morality as anti-nature" in the book.

@viggoGodisgreat

2 жыл бұрын

Undesireable*

Nietzsche... the apologetic intellectual.

A strong person is good noble and impressive; He must require strength because otherwise he will never attain power. Power to him who power exerts

Nietzsche was too lit of a philosopher but I think he didn’t himself acted on his philosophy and went insane cause he took them too seriously.

"If a certain inheritable characteristic is correlated with an increase in fractional fitness, the average value of that characteristic in the child population will be increased over that in the parent population." A principle of evolution, based on the Price equation

@Dan-ud8hz

2 жыл бұрын

@S R Sounds like you've never heard of punctuated equilibrium.

@Dan-ud8hz

2 жыл бұрын

@S R I think you might have a misunderstanding about the philosophy behind the scientific method

@Dan-ud8hz

2 жыл бұрын

@S R Falsifiability of hypotheses, most essentially.

@Dan-ud8hz

2 жыл бұрын

@S R Linguistic drift is the evolution of language over time. Whatever you're looking at takes on the color and opacity or transparence of the lens you're looking through. Evolution as a process isn't exclusive to biology, it's just where the paradigm was first developed and described in detail with a body of knowledge presenting all available evidence holistically to come to a rigorous conclusion with falsifiable hypotheses. Accuracy and precision in language are another way to distinguish between scientific terminology and religious mythopoetic allegory. The purpose of the scientific method is to gain more precision in understanding reality by clarifying the ambiguous through rigorous elimination of what's not accurate. When someone makes vague claims that are open to interpretation, they're not being scientific and aren't prioritizing telling truth. Continuously making vague claims or making precise information more vague is a big red flag that a person doesn't know what they're talking about and is likely intending to deceive.

@Dan-ud8hz

2 жыл бұрын

@S R Do you really think your subjective perspective is equivalent to objective reality? Everyone is limited to their subjective lenses, you're not excluded and privy to exclusive. Falsifiability is how you verify that you're not deluding yourself into believing that your subjective beliefs are objective reality.

Men have built bridges and towers not with strength alone,intellect was part of it,this conception of society(which comes from his intellect btw)is pretty much our modern woke society a bunch of people who are driven by their passions and have lost any capacity for reasoning,be careful what you ask for you might get,granted the denial of human nature you find in Christianity is no good,but to practice a laissez-faire policy when it comes to it is equally no good,but then again that's moderation and argumentation so I guess that makes me weak lol...

The wise act against instinct because they recognize that following it does not bring fulfilment.

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche would say they are decadent for this

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

God is whispering in das temple of my conscience. He says: I am de light of your divine instinct.

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT Both are right at different levels. Only the Decadent is just stuck somewhere, and will get back to it in some other life where he left in the previous one where he was stuck. Cheers 👍 Its all about owning instincts and emotions and Independence, all with more courage in order to know the value of Natural Ethics of life, its Innocence and its Creativity it can give us once one is able to be REALISED to be TRULY CREATIVE every moment and channelise the instinct rather than go against it or try to regulate it blindly, just because the scriptures have already said it. But its a mirage, until then 💖

Whenever I look into Nietzsche's thought, I cannot help but always think that he seems to obsessively promote the brute as an ideal man. He seems to despise moderation of any kind, and that man was meant to go after things as a predator would. But mankind is much more complex than this whole weak versus strong view.

@ornature5324

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, thats why its retarded and wrong, can jeff bezos be considered to have master morality now? People should just read german idealism lmao

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

If a Buddha and Osho would listen to Nietzsche, they would appreciate him. Even Arthur Schopenhauer himself too. Its the way, how u look at it. For me, he is only against too much of Organisation of everything and rationalisation, and about channelising instincts towards compassion and Innocence and even creativity. Not glorification or even mere gratification of instincts alone 😅

@kendrickjahn1261

3 жыл бұрын

@@drrameshshrink Fair enough, and I agree that he can be interpreted a number of ways on different topics. I do get some value out of his writings. However, there are passages in his work that are vehemently anti-buddhist and he also seems to find pity a weakness. I realize pity and compassion can be separated, but I'm also pretty sure he was against Schopenhauer's foundation of morality being compassion as a rule of thumb.

@drrameshshrink

3 жыл бұрын

@@kendrickjahn1261 Maybe, Pity means Compassion to u. And maybe his own pity as a way of compassion was not productive to him.We are all different individuals including Schopenhauer too and hence our Truths may only sound different. But still, we all are reaching towards the same goal by some lifetime or other. And from any philosopher, how much of him makes sense with our own insights is the only thing that matters in our growth 👍

@kendrickjahn1261

3 жыл бұрын

@@drrameshshrink No, pity doesn't mean compassion to me, which is why I stated that they can be separated. I suppose acts of compassion can come from feelings of pity or perhaps begin with feeling sorry for someone, but they aren't the same necessarily. Anyway, I agree that many of these terms are subjective. Thanks for the dialogue.

What kind of man comes to the conclusion that life is responsibility?

Please add subtitles bro

@WeltgeistYT

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll see what I can do. Is it not clear?

@satnamo

3 жыл бұрын

English is capital! What can a poor man give ? 1. Knowledge 2. Compassion

Man, you did Wagner dirty! Ricárd? My dearest brother in Christ, that is not his name.

I find myself recently constantly hopping between Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer is indeed the culmination of the Platonic spirit, as expressed in the parable of the cave. The difference is more in style than in content. Plato was more refined and PC, while S launched a full on assault on the value of life, without equivocation. The truth seeker in me leans towards S, but the enthusiastic romantic child in me is gripped with Nietzsche's forceful attempt at toppling over the entire edifice of western civilisation, by saying yes to life despite all evidence to the contrary. While I am enchanted with his assertion that the devaluation of life is merely subjective, a symptom of a decadent spirit, I find it hard to ignore the overwhelming suffering that abounds everywhere, and the misery that prevails in every nook and cranny, and most importantly the wretched (as in pathetic, not evil per se) nature of mankind. Emil Cioran wrote in the Trouble with Being Born: "he observed men only from a distance. Had he come closer, he could have neither conceived nor pormulgated the superman ... a crochet which could occur only to a mind without time to age, to know the long serene disgust of detachment"

Lions live in packs ...

Total no-brainer but Nietzsche dislikes reason because it inhibits us from creating, from being able to be the most we can be in life. The dialectics are often turned inward, creating excuses and justifications. We "win" without doing. I wonder if we all have this truth inside telling what to do.

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Don't Lions live in prides? They are not loners....

I get Nietzsches point. This alone is a lie :) No one gets Nietzsche. But I would like to ask him: If there are two strong leaders or individuals, who are not decadents. Lets say, two viking warriors who stand on top of their society for reasons, they face each other, and one will have to stay, and one will be submitted... If they are equal in strength, then intellect might decide. But again, it might corrupt the strength actually and lead to a victory of the "weaker" individual, using intellect, to still win... Is it possible, Nietzsche should have accepted intellect as a force itself? Because I do not believe intellect is the opposite of strength. I believe intellect can be converted into anything.... If we want to see a world of fitness and strength we have to study lions in the wilderness, the question would be, how does intellect influence the odds of survival there? What about Orcas? I think, I will think a lot about this topic, but I must say I am unusually suspicious towards Nietzsches claims... What I would see as a legit thesis is this: If intellect is used across individuals, to enslave the strong and support the weak, it is decadence. If intellect is used within individuals, it becomes part of their strength..

"For a finite-size flow system to persist in time (to live) it must evolve such that it provides greater and greater access to the currents that flow through it." The constructal law of design and evolution in nature