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@mek86

2 жыл бұрын

video full of dribble. Honestly, its a bunch of BS. Viewing morality as a tool of the masters to keep slaves in check is giving people a green light to justify immoral things like harming others . Morality is what keeps society together, remove it, there is chaos.

@AlexAnastaso

2 жыл бұрын

Morality is survival instict, morallity was there before human started walking in 2 legs. Elephants killing lions without the need for food if the pride approches, we were there first we resent u because u kill our babies or force us to become food. If u define the defense correct u decrease value from agreesors 2. My big point : A killer that walks in a house to steal is unnacceptable, someone that kills the person that trying to steal is acceptable, both of them are killers but societal morality sides with the second killer, soviets and nazis could not conquer the world because of the morality of the world. Even if you fail to defend yourself a big quanity of killers of the second kind can destroy the 'qualified killers of the first kind'. The big difference is that the majority does not recognizes in the first killer the right to kill, while they recognize the right to kill at the 2nd type of killer

@t3040

2 жыл бұрын

I tend to agree with mek86.2. What the video did was just provided a possible explanation out of many,, for existence of morality. It did not provide an alternative for humans to get along in a well-functioning society. What's the alternative? Typical philosophical trick to leave you with questions, not answers. Total BS!.

@joebenham27

2 жыл бұрын

It’s another mirror for collective self over-correction… which gets closer to correct with trial and error

@gc7534

2 жыл бұрын

@@t3040 Nietzsche died before he could develop his answer to these questions. His sister idolized him and took the notes and put her spin on it. The notes were published as a book, Will To Power, and because his sister was a fan of the nazis they then together and spread their own twisted interpretation of these questions and ideas. The master became the aryan ubermensch and everyone else were the slaves.

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.” ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

@3Systems6Buster9

2 жыл бұрын

👏🏽. Reminds me of two wisdoms. 1. Resentment and revenge is like drinking a poison and expecting the other party to be harmed, and 2. the principle of polarity; everything in the universe has it's equal opposite (paraphrased, thus not quoted, from the emerald tablets, the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus a.k.a. Thoth)

@terrafirma9328

2 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche should know, he stared into the abyss much too long.

@ShawnJonesHellion

2 жыл бұрын

Patrick starfish. the ultimate source of knowledge. i remember a girl who watched that stuff. well remember is a bad word as even after 5 years there wasn't any substance to remember cept being told there was something in that empty shell in order to come around it

@adamseward4713

2 жыл бұрын

What happens when fighting angels? Or are they just monsters in white robes? Or are monsters just angels with horns and a tail? 'When you gaze into the abyss within yourself, the abyss gazes also into you, and becomes confused and looks in the fridge to see if there is any ice cream left.

@njkauto2394

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamseward4713 LOL 😆 Thank you for that piece of beautiful humour. Much needed. I'm going to stop reading now and check out the contents of my refrigerator.

Philosophy is so much more digestible with visuals and music . Thanks for the content

@UnderBridge

2 жыл бұрын

lol indeed

I always like reading the comments after videos like this. Lots of thoughtful responses to a well presented topic

@mrxi333

Жыл бұрын

Psh I read em WHILE watching

This is really mind boggling. I think we can portray anything good and evil in different ways. It is all so much complex

@ShawnJonesHellion

2 жыл бұрын

thats coming from someone who beats kids into believing in flying glow in the dark invisible reindeer as their God whos land must be handed over for. straight up psychosis.

@eduvenger

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShawnJonesHellion I feel a bit offended at your Curt reply . I know you might hate christmas and you think us psychotic , but it is okay to pretend for the sake of making life a bit interesting and easy . It would be very hard to live when you focus only on reality. Reality is hard

@G-host0069

Жыл бұрын

@@eduvenger reality is fun when you learn how to play it 🎉

@UN1VERS3S

Жыл бұрын

Life is really simple, but men insist on making it complicated. -Confucius

@laaaliiiluuu

Жыл бұрын

It's a spectrum. Everyone is partly slave or master. Some are just very far on the extreme ends of the spectrum.

I read Nietzsche's book about slave molarity but It's hard for me to explain it to everyone they think i am talking evil things but this video can help me a lot to explain things thanks sprouts

@HenryCasillas

2 жыл бұрын

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@mipslp6028

2 жыл бұрын

They are using Morality against your powerful thoughts xD

@BillFromTheHill100

2 жыл бұрын

No...its evil.

@MRDX-ej4yq

2 жыл бұрын

@@BillFromTheHill100 why is that

@BillFromTheHill100

2 жыл бұрын

@@MRDX-ej4yq because evil exists. Every culture that has ever been believed in good and evil Ying yang. What makes us believe we know better?

Man I jumped out of my bed in satisfaction at the very beginning of the video. The rest of the video was an exhilarating listen and watch. The content summarizes the issue I have with society at large.

@trishcusworth4950

2 жыл бұрын

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@Johnconno

Жыл бұрын

Society couldn't care less.

This was so so cool. The drawings are amazing, the whole thing is a great production. Thanks Sprouts and Mr. Hicks. I look forward to the other Nietszche episodes in this series.

@trishcusworth4950

2 жыл бұрын

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@trishcusworth4950

2 жыл бұрын

You would be wiser to read mere christianity. You are on the wrong path wit Nietzsche. He went mad in the end.

@trishcusworth4950

2 жыл бұрын

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@UN1VERS3S

10 ай бұрын

Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.

@UN1VERS3S

10 ай бұрын

​@@trishcusworth4950exactly, but we can get something valuable from him.

Thanks for the thoughts about morality. I honestly believe that humans may develop ethics to a level that recognises each persons values in a constructive way, so we may learn with one another, not destroy each other.

@matycee

2 жыл бұрын

well that's naive of you, isn't it...

@ilzamerson5242

2 жыл бұрын

@@matycee No. It is possible, actually very mature and racional. There is a lot of philosophy involved. You should read an american one called Jordan Peterson and get a better notion of it.

@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149

2 жыл бұрын

@@matycee It's hardly naive. If anything, such optimism is the only way to get anywhere.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

Bosh! Might Makes Right and that is the Truth The top religions of the day OPENLY promote Nazi ideas of hate & division, have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees begging for mercy, shaking with fear and live like shameless prostitutes/gigolos/leeches

@lievenyperman9363

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 I absolutely agree. It is so sad to see that optimism is so often ridiculed. You are right, only by believing things can get better will we pay attention to how we may achieve it.

The accuracy In this video is astounding, I think people aren't born with slave/master morality I think these things are learnt or taught in most cases , Just yesterday I heard a friend of mine say he could have approached a girl on our guys night out but he was waiting for someone to make the first move ,while on the other hand I just go in and go with the flow , the fact that others are doing something actually discourages me from also doing it ,while it's the opposite for most people

My professor gave me a B when I wrote on this fact that while Jews were crossing the desert into Egypt, there was no way it needed to take 40 years, and I got into the reasons why Moses would've chosen to do this. It meant a generation or two was born free, while the older generation still had the slave mentality that needed to be killed off. As Moses could not and would not order his men to slaughter the older generation, they were given orders to wander in the desert until this mentality had died off. Once they arrived near the land which would be known as Israel, the story will tell it that Moses struck the rock for water, and was punished for this action. However, while this action was necessary, Moses himself was still part of the old leadership as well, and could not rightfully enter Israel and lead these people with that mentality. Thus, generations upon generations of Israel never knew what it meant to be slaves, though the traditions in the desert have taught us that we were once slaves, but that should not be our mentality.

@royanque8374

2 жыл бұрын

Moses didn't choose to wander the desert for 40 years. He was just following the cloud pillar. The cloud (God) wasnt trying to shake off the slave mentality. He was trying to shake Egypt out of Israel. Moses was punished for thinking it was through his power that water came out of the rock. He didnt "glorify God before Israel". I'll stop right here, but if your goal was to give a unique and creative take on the Exodus, you've done an OK job.

@LifeTheExperience

2 жыл бұрын

@@royanque8374 Always love a good discussion. Thank you for approving my professor's grade of a B. But it seems there was a point you missed as this wasn't about the unique and creative take on the Exodus so much as it was an actual analysis of Nietzsche's Master vs. Slave mentality in comparison to the Hebrews escape from Egypt. Even when you state, these two lines: The cloud (God) wasn't trying to shake off the slave mentality. He was trying to shake Egypt out of Israel. They could mean the same thing metaphorically. Having had the privilege of studying with some great Rabbis who showed me a room of thousands of books, mostly commentaries containing millenia of commentary from dead Rabbis who were discussing with each other exactly what happened in the desert, which the Torah or Bible doesn't get into full detail about. Moses was a leader and commander, therefore it would make sense that he had spies travel ahead of the rest of the group to ensure their safety. Knowing this, he had to know that the land of Israel wasn't far ahead, which means he wasn't following his own orders, but considering he was "the highest in command", whose orders then was he following? So you are correct in your theory that he didn't "glorify God before Israel" and it is still sticking to the point of my original thesis of saying that Moses was part of the OLD LEADERSHIP, the OLD MENTALITY, considering that he was technically born a slave and even lived among slaves even when he wasn't treated like one, and this goes back to your two-line statement which seems a metaphor. And concluding that, there must have been a reason this moment needed to happen in order to ensure that Israel itself was not established with a "slave mentality". Thus, Moses served his purpose and would have not been able to enter Israel regardless of his "glorifying God before Israel". And by no means, there doesn't seem to be a disagreement among us, but you've actually proven my point even further than may you have realized.

@JohnBKerkhoven

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of poppycock about why Moses did this or that, while no evidence is given and the bible is silent on the topic. Religion is really like a penis: Give it enough lubrication and you can slip into any discussion. God of the gap

@royanque8374

2 жыл бұрын

@@LifeTheExperience well I have a couple of problems with Nietzsche's take on this. One is that he seems to suggest that the morality of Israel evolved out of their slavery in Egypt. It cannot be. Because the laws that govern Israel came from God, unless we're to deny what the Torah said, coz why refer to it in the first place? Second, the attitude of Israel towards God's leading through Moses was the furthest thing from "slave mentality". They resisted authority directly on many occasions. They didn't use a "slave morality" to shame or "put Moses (the authority figure) in his place". They used coarse language, passive-aggressive behavior and even resorting to violence at one point, threatening to take Moses and Aaron's lives at the very border of Canaan. They were rebellious many many times. They didn't learn to "behave like good, lowly slaves" in front of the leadership of (God through) Moses, even though God showed them numerous times how powerful (and scary) He is. The "slave mentality" was supposedly the very thing they needed to go along with them to reach the promised land and would've been the last thing that needed to be shaken out of them through the 40 years of desert wandering.

@LifeTheExperience

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnBKerkhoven Call it what you will, it's a lot older than you are, evidence or not. Powerful enough to keep it going.

Isn't the point that slave morality reverses the power relations? Meekness, weakness, obedience become virtues and their power is in shaming the masters into self-doubt. There is no right or wrong in this reasoning, it is just a mechanism of power relations. Note that the new masters are the old slaves and the circle might repeat? The balance point is never achieved as it is unstable.

@mrbabluep

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@laviniaciupe

2 жыл бұрын

I also agree with him, but i consider this morality thing quite smart because, back then, it was a survival mode, we just need to update for this days

@hafezshirazi3945

2 жыл бұрын

exactly . power relations is never going to reach an end , that is the point that explains underlaying reasons in raise and fall of fascism governments. that eternal circle is the story of humanhistory.

@tonyromero13

2 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche's Master/Slave morality idea is Atheistic & Materialistic from what I got from this video. Man's problems are deeper than just power relations they're actually Spiritual.

@BJ52091

3 ай бұрын

@@tonyromero13the claim that they’re spiritual is itself an attempt to circumvent the core issue and reframe it in a way that serves the claimant’s purposes, thus proving Nietzsche’s point that everything is Will to Power.

Great job! This video is awesome at explaining this concept. I’ve tried to explain this to several people over the course of my life and it was something they just could not grasp. They never could grasp that slave mentality isn’t a physical set of circumstances, it’s a self imposed and self regulating prison for your mind based on how your parents taught you to deal with problems. They really thought I was talking about slavery when in reality I was talking about self imposed limits one places on their own mind and potential.

@cosmicspacething3474

10 ай бұрын

It’s a combination of both

I prefer René Girard's perspective on morality. In his view morality is a kind of tool to prevent the escalation of violence in communities. The violence which is based on rivalry and imitating desire of the others. Naturally in a community where there are no moral rules violence will appear and destroy everything. Nietzsche's view is a kind of ideological perspective for me and it is fueled by hatred of religion. Girard's view is more practical for me and still does not neglect the dark side of human kind.

@khill8645

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure you do his ideas justice, but if we take your word for it, I'm not sure such ideas are any better - morality as a violence-prevention tool seems just as cynical as Nietzsche's view, but perhaps even worse. His is based around survival, while your assertion about Girard's perspective makes it sound like violence, not cooperation, is the default state of human interaction.

@Laotzu.Goldbug

2 жыл бұрын

Girard has some interesting and insightful ideas, but also a whole bunch of them that are clearly a product of his own pathological mindset

@danielremete4214

2 жыл бұрын

@@khill8645 The default state of human interaction based on Girard's view is the imitation of the other's desire and yes this can lead to rivalry or even to violence. He says rules are created to prevent the escalation of violence and to enhance a peacfull cooperation But of course not all kinds of interactions lead to violence, especially if you interact on the basic morality (compassion, love, selflesness, generousity etc.) which is in the root of all traditional spiritual ways. Anyway Girard's view, is just a way to see the need of rules/morality and for me it just seems logical that moral rules are the basics of peacful cooperation with others. So morality is not fueled by hatred or resentiment and it is not for the stupid slave sheeps but morality is fueled by the common will of peacefull living together.

@danielremete4214

2 жыл бұрын

@@Laotzu.Goldbug oh yes, you are right we all have some strange mindset and we project our own mindset into our stories we tell about our so called reality... but still it is interesting to play with theories, isnt it? :) and to determine in a story the influence of personal mindset and personal distortions is a nice challenge and sometimes we can find true wisdom in these stories... and seeking truth is a very valuable effort

@choosecarefully408

2 жыл бұрын

@@khill8645 1) No over-arching sets of rules are 'justice.' You _have to_ judge everything separately on their own merits, each time anew. 2) N. doesn't go far enough. His basics are great, but apply to individuals within groups of a certain size who see their oppressors & have to deal with them on a constant basis. What happens when 'your own group' are the oppressors & you can do nothing about it? The need for an outlet will still exist. Americans for instance (all Western nations really) are bullied by their political leaders. We get fined for littering, while they allow their cronies to damage entire ecosystems for Fun & Profit. We go to prison for embezzlement, they use their public office to give our tax $ to their cronies who then share Immense Personal Fortunes back. Since Americans (& indeed, again, applies to the citizens of all Western nations) are cowards at heart with no balls to stand up to mere authority (key word here _FIGURES,_ they hate themselves & take this out on everyone else: Blacks, whoever 'Government' says & *everyone* 'Government' says. Literally, speaking against government makes you a target. Maddie de Garay possibly lost all quality of life due to untested products being mandated, or at least because everyone felt coerced to take them. _That's_ not a crime, but her mother telling us about this is in the minds of Americans. Only with a population too large to feel unified as a people do you get such dependence upon Authority _FIGURES_ do things get like this. There were Germans who fought against the Nazis in ways that risked their own lives throughout their reign. You can't get one American to act to save a child's life. Not if it means standing up to their One Perceived Protector.

Well, interestingly, Chinese societies developed such moralities without being enslaved by another race. Humility, kindness, etc, are important rules for people to follow to have a functioning society. One can be strong (adult) at one point in his life but weak at others (child and elderly). It is wise to protect the moral codes while you're strong so you're protected when you're weak.

@SomeWiseGuy.

2 жыл бұрын

True! Nietzsche was a narcissist so he didn't try to think on how the world works but rather how he can justify his own feeling of superiority over others. He made up things like sheep's and wolves and slave morality to justify his behaviour and the idea in his head that he was superior. If you think his ideas through to their logical conclusion you can see that without morals no society is possible. Morals are nothing but rules to follow rules that make society possible while keeping your environment habitable

@conquistadorcrabton5265

2 жыл бұрын

What about individual judgement and individual satisfaction? it is probably more moderate and more natural than you are assuming it to be.

@nihtris1640

2 жыл бұрын

@@SomeWiseGuy. Nietzsche was aware of the outcome that discarding our current morals would be dangerous. His many writings on the emergence of Nihilism following the "death of god" (the decay of current moral systems is an unavoidable necessity because of it) show how much he feared our current predicament. It is why his thoughts do not end there. "Here I am now sitting and waiting, old broken tablets around me and also new half-written tablets"(Thus spoke Zarathustra), is a rough translation. It shows that we should not only discard our old morals but create new ones to replace them. "God is dead! God stays dead! And we have killed him! How do we console ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? The holiest and most powerful thing the world had so far has bled to death under our knives. "(The gay science), is a rough translation. Those words again show how fearfull he was about the prospect that we would have to live without real morals until our "new half-written tablets" are done. His idea of the "Übermensch" speaks against your point as well. He thought of humans (himself included) to be nothing but a bridge to a higher future being. As something which must be overcome but whichs existence is necessary for the process.

@nihtris1640

2 жыл бұрын

@@conquistadorcrabton5265 You are correct. One has to consider from where altruism originates. Next to cultural altrism which the video discusses there is evolutionary altruism originating from war. More individuals than ressources are present, the individuals already formed groups because they are beneficcial to survival and most of genetic exchange takes place inside of the different groups rather than outside. Fights over some ressources between some individuals break out and all individuals fight in groups because it is an advantage. The group whichs individuals work together more effectively eradicates the other group. Do this a few thousand times and you get an altruistic species. In short: there is a case to be made for the existece of biological altruism forged through genocide and war.

@alaron5698

2 жыл бұрын

They may not have been enslaved by other races, but they hardly had an egalitarian society. Think of how many died buildig The Great Wall because no one cared about their survival. And if you were an emperor or noble, you could basically do as you wished with the lower classes, and they could do nothing in return. Not that much different from a master/slave dynamic, really. It doesn't need to be another race that enslaves you - if you have masters that can do whatever they want to you and you cannot do anything in return, this mentality emerges.

I think both.. Could be use for getting along but could be use as a weapon too..

I would have never known about such things if it was not you guys 👍👍

@MichelleVisageOnlyFans

2 жыл бұрын

Some people go to school, where they get at least a general scoop of the main philosophical teachings, or better yet, pick up a (smart) book, every now and then! (not the one with Kardashian selfies - LOL!)

"When we consider earlier periods, we must be careful not to fall into unjust abuse. The injustice of slavery, the cruelty in subjugating persons and peoples, cannot be measured by our standards. For the instinct for justice was not so widely developed then." ~~Friedrich Nietzsche

@MichelleVisageOnlyFans

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he was an asshole sometimes. But overall a very smart man! 😆

@Jimraynor45

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, hopefully in the future, people will look at things like income tax and social security as unjust and destructive just as we look at slavery today.

@Jimraynor45

2 жыл бұрын

Also vaccine mandates

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

Bosh! Might Makes Right even in the 21st century! The top religions of the day OPENLY PROMOTE NAZI IDEAS OF DIVISION & HATE Have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees, shaking with fear, begging for mercy and live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies

@warmburny5843

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jimraynor45 really? Helping the elderly live out their golden years with dignity and some comfort is a bad thing? And after paying into the system with their own wages. Maybe they should just die and decrease the surplus population.

There is a third option - morality could be something built into us from the beginning and that is why most of us agree on it. Moral systems throughout time and geography show striking resemblances. This idea then begs the question - how did it get there? If you say God put it there, you have an absolute moral code beyond nature. If you say evolution put it there, then you must admit it was there long before society so Nietzche's explanation would not work. Just a thought.

@lunkerjunkie

2 жыл бұрын

yes, look at a troop of baboons. they know who is superior and inferior. I reckon a felt sense in the nervous system has something to do with it.

@rvirzi

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunkerjunkie Knowing who's in charge is driven by fear/agression - not conscience. It would be tough to argue that baboons agree on right and wrong behavior - not just accepted or customary but a sense of what "should" and "should not" be done.

@trenomas1

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! This is so often ignored. Small groups self-organize without the need for explicit law. We could think of this as a law equilibrium.

@trenomas1

2 жыл бұрын

Heirarchy is highly fluid in neurology. We shift into roles of superiority and inferiority naturally and without much compunction in a natural state. Even with the same two people, one may be the authority on fishing while the other is the authority on woodworking. They tumble together in a fluid state of giving and recieving.

@thenotflatearth2714

2 жыл бұрын

societies with very different morality systems did exist (like the theological old Europe, isolationist Qing China, Viking raiders, Imperial Japan, Naughty Germany, USSR etc) did exist, but their morality systems make them less productive/reject scientific progress/barbaric warmongering or whatever, the societies bearing these moral codes tend to be absorbed by other societies bearing moral codes that permits them to outperform the former, in economic/scientific/military power, whether by revolutions, invasions or hierarchical collapse. Thus there is an evolution of societies just like an evolution of creatures

Been waiting for this one!

Imagine being enslaved in your own “intelligence”, and never realizing it…

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

The top religions of the day are clearly Master/Slave religions and yet none of their followers nor others seem to have a clue! "Commandments, Submit, beg, obey, judge, wrath, punish, forgive, mercy, Fear" - ALL Slave/Servant words "God" sits on his throne in the Heavens, his Kingdom, Jesus is his prince, and this Kingdom is for loyal believers only How even the best and brightest can't see a God made in the image of the local King/Dictator, I will never know

@KARMICHAEL11

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 and in your intelligence… this is wrong? Better put, maybe, it “shouldn’t be”? By what standard? There are plenty with a “clue” as you put it, I’m familiar with many of those in the Christian camp, and they gladly acknowledge this hierarchy. On what premise can you prove they are wrong to think so? If you use their own system, you’re arguing a satanic philosophy, almost verbatim of the serpent/garden/knowledge account in Genesis, examined well in the gospels in Christ’s teachings wherein they have their rational rejection of your claim, unless you have some proof. That’s what I mean by not realizing you’re enslaved to your own intelligence; you paint oversimplistic pseudo-Christianity as the easy case study for Nietzsche’s theory (much like he does above) so you can then argue some morality system of your own which actually offers nothing better in exchange for what it denounces. Nietzsche at least recognized this replacement problem with postmodern thought, but your zeal against some false dichotomy really just shows you want a world where no one can tell you what to do, should do, or can do. That’s terribly unoriginal. Read Romans 8:17 and explain how that fits this straw man of yours, just don’t forget context.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@KARMICHAEL11 "where no one can tell you what to do, should do, or can do" Christians are claiming they alone are right, everyone else is wrong. How are they any different from a Putin, a Hitler, a Kim Jong-un, Communist countries also said the same thing! Walk me thru this morality sir. A Hindu, Christian and an Atheist die at the same time - tell me what happens I am seeing the Hindu and Atheist being set apart & being dumped into gas chambers in hell - their "Crime" being their belief So now you are justifying Nazi ideas of hate You are justifying Racism We are more than just belief We are Doctors, Teachers, Soldiers, Scientists, Fathers, mothers, sons, friends, lovers, loving families - belief is just one aspect of who we are as people But Christians and Muslims are saying all the above does not matter - works are not enough - morals, values do not matter, the only thing that matters is religion

@KARMICHAEL11

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 this is not argumentation; you’ve yet to express to me by what standard you’re making these value statements. What’s funny is that you appear to have missed that your post is actually serving as a proof of the original post, as explained by my reply. That’s the problem ; “super intelligent” people not having the fortitude or objectivity to ask themselves what they are subconsciously believing as their standard of value assessment. It’s literally impossible to answer your question because I have no way of knowing what premise you’re claiming. Fun point, all those positions and occupations require systems of hierarchy and authority to function properly, which is itself a master/slave extrapolation by Nietzsche’s definition.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@KARMICHAEL11 I feel like I am a Jew talking to a Nazi - these ideas are not that hard to understand - talking about "what standard" - by what standard do you judge Nazis as evil? By what standard do you judge Racists as evil? I am saying Christians & Muslims promote the SAME hateful ideas, but since this is YOUR religion pushing this hate, you have gotten blinders Let me mention Caste - I bet your standards are caught up now

beautiful, powerful, clearly articulated, concise - work of art. thank you.

@sprouts

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome 🙏

This was so well explained! Thanks!

What a fantastic synopsis. 👏 clear succinct and superbly explained.

@sprouts

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Presented very well. Thank you.

ContraPoints introduced me to this concept. Loving the deep dive into it.

@hughmungous3357

2 жыл бұрын

contrapoints wants to shame ppl into accepting him as a woman even if they think he is ugly and doesn't look like a woman. He is an epitome of slave morality.

@user-kd3gz1hl1e

2 жыл бұрын

The baizuo radlibs are the epitome of slave morality imo

@gnomeimporta6912

Жыл бұрын

Such a breathing example of it, explaining it, is pretty funny.

Don't hurt others, but do not inhibit yourself, act naturally. That is my rule of morality, sucks when I can't abide by it. Then the conflict ensues, one way or another, I get back to the first points.

A good morality should be about respecting the individual. About not making the first use of physical force. About respecting and protecting the rights to life, liberty and property of all peaceful people. Just because morality has been used for bad or unhealthy purposes in difficult times, does not mean that all morality must be bad.

Wow Brian, you have a strong Mercury in your chart no doubt. Great writing. Organised, informative and expressed thoughtfully. 👍

how utterly insightful.... thought enriching..... cheers for that!!!!!

@redstaplerguyforlifepastpr5763

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I never looked at it like this.

Morality is something that can save you a real deal of pain and confusion in your life - or cause so much pain and hatred towards everything and anyone. It can be a slave collar or the greatest crown.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

Might Makes Right and that is the Truth The top religions of the day OPENLY PROMOTE NAZI IDEAS, have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees, shamelessly live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches and not one educated person has a clue

@redpillsatori3020

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a difference between caring about others, but being assertive and not letting others mistreat you, and pushing your morality on others or using shame and morality as an emotionally manipulative way to bludgeon people into conformity like many sociopaths do

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@redpillsatori3020 What about religion? Either you are with us or else! AND THEY SAY THIS OPENLY! Billions of people - women, children, even babies, loving families - all to be set apart based on religion, just as the Jews were & dumped into gas chambers in hell! AND NOT ONE EDUCATED OR MORAL PERSON HAS HAD A PROBLEM WITH SUCH NAZI IDEAS OF HATE

@ShawnJonesHellion

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 if your family an kings Jeffery Epstein, Barak Obama, Donald Trump, Dr Fauchi, Mark Zuckerberg, Google, hollywood etc were burnt in fire then how are you still alive? 😳😺

@Kirin2022

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct. As any Catholic or Orthodox confessor or wise Protestant pastoral counselor can tell you, it depends on whether that moral code is conditioned by a healthy spirituality or an unhealthy one. Militant atheists can be just as much slaves as any religious fundamentalist or rigorist, just to different false gods. Nietzsche was a slave to a theory of his own creation and he died not as a free man, but one very much oppressed.

This is so powerful! Thank you.

Whew. I thought this video had been removed...but I just needed to refresh. Thanks 🙏🏼!

"Losers strike back against the successful." . .... Why does the slave owner considered successful ? Can we have a similar analysis on why he felt in the first place the need to subjugate people by force ? And is it not smart to use anything in your power to not be enslaved ? Even if that is morality ? And when the slaves win back ; are they not the succesful one the slave owners despise

I will agree that I am sick and tired of the masters breaking the law while sending the slave to prison for doing the exact same thing. I was told that I had a problem with authority but what I discovered was that authority had a problem with me. Example. Telling a cop he doesn't have the legal authority to do what he's doing but he violates the law anyway and the judge backs him on his lawlessness.

@j.p.vanbolhuis8678

2 жыл бұрын

Well according to Nietsche that is all perfectly acceptable. After all holding the master accountable to the same standard as his slave, is just a slave morality imposed by the inferior majority upon the superior man. The Übermensch. History has shown how lovely the consequences of dividing the world in "Übermensch" (superior man) and "Untermensch" (inferior man) are.

@GUMMYITALIAN

2 жыл бұрын

@@j.p.vanbolhuis8678 I think it's false to assume that this is merely the product of slave morality. This first starts from 'Master Morality'. The unconscious assumption that other beings exist to serve you.

@j.p.vanbolhuis8678

2 жыл бұрын

@@GUMMYITALIAN Exactly the point I was trying to make. Nietsche was trying to make societal norm be things purely designed to hold back the Superior Man by the inferior men. Such norms came from slave mentality and as such reprehensible. Nietsche in that aspect considered the Ubermensch not to be bound by rules made for inferior creatures...

The art style in this video is incredible! I had to watch it twice. The first time I was to distracted by the artistry.

Great presentation. I am enjoying the content of Sprouts.

If morality is a tool, we as individuals owe it to ourselves to master it and use it to the best of our ability(s). There isn't anything good or bad intrinsically about tools per se.

@dunexapa1016

2 жыл бұрын

What Nietzsche seems to repeatedly say is that you are a fool if you are not a sociopath. Let's apply that to a majority of of the population and see how that works out. Nearly all humans are controlled by socially adept psychopaths. One simple and powerful technique that socially adept psychopaths use to control humans is to get humans *INVESTED* in doing things their way. The antidote is to develop reasoning ability, obey your conscience and live as simply and as close to nature as possible.

@justsaiyan8678

2 жыл бұрын

@@dunexapa1016 I hope you are having a wonderful day. It’s not often that I get to share brief encounters with individuals who really understand. To infinity for you and yours my friend cheers! 🍻

@xHannibal

2 жыл бұрын

@@dunexapa1016 There’s a lot of things that are true but you wouldn’t want the entirety of the population doing. Basically how the majority of people live their lives is suboptimal but the optimal ways mostly only exist as a possibly for a few people. Essentially it’s like, we’d all be better off if everyone did x, but if everyone did x then you’re better off individually doing y.

@dunexapa1016

2 жыл бұрын

@@justsaiyan8678 , I am thankful to others who share what insights they have gained. Living sustainably is the only rational way to live. Realizing that socially adept psychopaths control humans by getting them *INVESTED* in their way of doing things was an epiphany for me. Learning to reason to avoid being deceived is paramount. There are very simple truths to live by that will free many humans; Neither a borrower nor lender be, ... barter rather than buy ....

@dunexapa1016

2 жыл бұрын

@@xHannibal , I will stick with the same recommendation ... it is only a small percentage of the population that is born without a conscience ... It is up to those who possess a conscience to show there is a better way to live ... for example, those without a conscience usually have an *INSATIABLE* desire for wealth ... ponder the futility of serving some person who has such an *INSATIABLE* desire for wealth ...

You can see why the Nazis latched on to this. It gives a legitimacy that a master race does on the basis that they are just a superior human who can do whatever they want because they are a master race. Why are they a master race? Turns out when you have overwhelming and violent force you can't be questioned or opposed. I have a real problem with this train of thought because it seems as if because somebody is superior their superiority should not be questioned, if people oppose that superiority then that's just resentment. It's almost a way of somebody to be an unassailable 'alpha' in the manner that they are horribly insecure about the actual power and authority they hold.

@caseygreyson4178

2 жыл бұрын

You hit this right on the head. Especially the last part.

@yudelko

2 жыл бұрын

why oppose to master ?....just kill him and take his place ....😉

@LeviathantheMighty

2 жыл бұрын

You don't want disparities to become too large or psychopathic types to get the upper hand because then you have corruption. You want a decentralization of power, as much of an even playing field as possible.

@JohnDoe-vi1im

2 жыл бұрын

As far as i know, the Nazis misinterpreted Nietzsche. I don't know much about him, but this video series resonates strongly with me. Not because of what the "master" could do, but because of what the "slave" does. Sitting on a high moral horse often has more to do with the desire for power, jealousy, greed, etc. than with justice. I know that from personal experience. And i know that "slave"-types often weren't mistreated themselfes, but instead are afraid of that happening AND are more likely to mistread others, who are even weaker than them. In my defintion a "master" doesn't have to be abusive because he has the confidence and strength to achieve something in his life without walking over others. I would rather trust a "master", than a "slave" and this isn't coming from the perspective of a strong person, i know better what abuse means than most.

@kinderbueno9018

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-vi1im Oh don't get me wrong, they did Nietzsche dirty, they quite willingly twisted his work but it is easily twistable to be fair.

That was very, very, very encouraging. Thank you, sir❗

What a quality on this channel! Just wow ⭐

When he talks about the slave-virtues, like patience etc. Aren't those also good virtues for a strong leader?

@psychovoice3827

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Considering Nietzsches Work a Leader can also be a Slave. Just look at Ceo's. They are slaves of capitalism, need to act in certain ways (e.g. be nice to stakeholders) and strive for respect. A Master doesnt do this he is not submissive at all. The Übermensch doesnt need Money or respect.

@martinli2544

2 жыл бұрын

'Good' is something that is basically going to get you where you need to goal; it is good towards X when it fulfills the meeting of X and its being in someway. The problem in calling any of this 'moral' is how you've got patience, etc strung into code/affirmative-action for reward rather than out of self and so such kinds of pursuant, followers, etc is not truly itself of honor's bearing and instead only plays out the worth aspect of it, trending the world further into a state of what will be a dog eats dog kind of world. Real Morality is for example here Greed, which we call precisely because it can handle the having and hoarding of wealth without the self seen it into a mishandling, retains its seeing into the self's partitioning of system to see what levels of welfare it is handling, for itself to reach classification over that which it sees into hoarding, and so forth. There will to every tier of Sin, Virtue, etc their Adversary, which may very well achieve all that they do for what it is worth, but the element itself brought into body, that is the only thing that transcends boundaries, is able to double down into infinity, into eternity, for it was unlike its fake never playing games, thinking of how to screw the other, or doing to see itself protected, but because it was itself Mastery, was itself Code, was itself Ethics, Law. The rest to it are all perversions of its being that the men had come to make up, which for alot of parts is where the men are themselves, ones who are now coming up once more to suffer the lashbacks and consequences of the way they have manipulated Word, etc for their own gain, greedy and needy, but not Greed, not something any one other Deadly Sin will ever recognize.

@noahraab2429

2 жыл бұрын

@@psychovoice3827 In that case we're all slaves.

@alecb441

2 жыл бұрын

@Abby Rose Oh ok thank you for your comment. So in short the difference between patience of a slave and patience of a master, is the goal? It is not the specific value that makes it slave or master-like, it is the intention?

@cbn__yldz5003

2 жыл бұрын

aint these ehm secondary virtues also called "prussian" virtues? cause they are means for a purpose ans the outcome of its act has not to be "good" at all: f.e. i can patientelly wait to kill my boss. i killed my boss punctual.

Excellent video. I love this.

@sprouts

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@sweetness1992

2 жыл бұрын

Me too it really opened my mind

Best lesson, best animation and best background music makes a sprouts video

Thank you for this video. It´s amazing, good job.

For me morality means much more people's cooperation with each other and not exploiting each other. It also means that lying and manipulation is not an acceptable form of communication. Also the abuse of another person in any form is not okey. It also means that we respect each other and accept each other's indivudiality.

Now we aren't living in the fear of morality. But still some people are afraid of what would become if we aren't listening to our masters (it could be our bosses, parents, neighbours, friends, close relatives etc). This makes us to stop who we are by becoming slaves to the masters. So what could be the reasons of becoming slaves even though if we aren't obeying someone who are ordering us to do something?

@UN1VERS3S

10 ай бұрын

Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.

Very nice informative video!

Amazing video, real perspective changer 🥇👌🏾🥀

Slavery, like not paying someone for their labour, which is a little like when you don't pay Anna Akana's brother for his work he did for you after being promised a wage in exchange for his labour

@thelastwriter4000

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

Incredible work. You really explain the idea in a very comprenhensive way. I have suffered a lot because I have not been educated for being a slave and I do not know why; I learned to criticize and to live without religion's oppression. But, in my country, where people was conquered by spanish people, religion says what to think and what to do. It makes things not easy for me.

@sprouts

Жыл бұрын

Glad this resonated. And good luck 🍀

Lots to think about. Thanks a load!

That opening question! Been thinking this for years regarding concepts like nobility. Great men end up living their lives in service over it and die for it while others reap the rewards and that's infuriating!

I think there've always been ways for people to hold dominant types in check. If food wasn't being shared by someone, the tribe would turn their back on that person and he/she had less chance of survival. When societies grew larger, there were less consequences on that beheiviour, because people started to mind more of their own business, so their power could grow, and ideas of morality grew with it, to keep their (destructive) power in check.

@Shadow25720

11 ай бұрын

Exactly, when the strong started to suppress the weak instead of leading them the weak bonded together and overthrew the tyrants. The more tyrannical the leader is, the faster it happens. Always has been and always will be. For example, the tyrannical leaders Caesar and Caligula were murdered while wise and lawful leaders like Marcus Aurelius weren't.

This has to be one of the best explanations I've seen on youtube thank you

@trishcusworth4950

2 жыл бұрын

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This is awesome, loved it.

@UN1VERS3S

10 ай бұрын

Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.

Great explanation ❤

@sprouts

3 ай бұрын

Keep learning ;)

This is whats going on in our country in a different face.☹. This series is so helpful 💪💪

@reubenmorris487

2 жыл бұрын

This is how we're being raised. Parents and teachers don't know it, and kids aren't allowed to know it.

@UN1VERS3S

10 ай бұрын

Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.

People always knew morality existed and that it was good, but they just saw it as bad -overly optimistic fiction when they saw how most people were seen and treated.People knew that slaves were a bad thing, but they saw it as a means to an end ! And this is how evil happens most of the time, it's seen as a necessity !

Beautiful just beautiful well said

Great work 🥳 Thank you 💜

@sprouts

Жыл бұрын

Join us on patreon.com/sprouts ;)

@13thravenpurple94

Жыл бұрын

@@sprouts Very soon once my financial resources stabilized 💜 always love your content 💜 Thank you 💜

That was interesting and I could relate to that except at 5:53 when the words looser and successful were used. The authoritarian is called successful… mmmm 🧐 🤔 not eventually… I came from a family that endured domestic violence every day. I completely could relate until 5:53 of the video.

@LotsOfBologna2

2 жыл бұрын

This is the exact problem. While there are plenty of authoritarians in our society, we paint everybody whose successful & wealthy as a tyrant regardless of whether or not it's true and we put struggling people on a pedestal regardless of whether or not they're good people. The whole point of this video is to explain why.

Thank you for sharing. As a graduate from a school founded by men who were born into bondage and served as soldiers who did not see fit to found a military academy this made me appreciate my undergraduate in more. In addition to extreme pride in winning the Philosophy award. No harm in Nietzsche, his work reflects a man observing those seeking a leader and our long human history of surviving Pyrrhic victories that are created, maintained and mitigated by sales and promotion in a society were we use tools poorly and turn them into weapons. As a light sculptor, I am firm in belief that when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. The notion of a subservient leader is an oxymoron to those who have accepted limits to their personal power. The step to elevated thought on the way we do survival recognizes that everyone has a job to do, and will serve someone or something. By default of my profession I am a servant o the Truth. A camera always has an unblinking that does not deny the Truth of its intended design and function for good. People like objects have an intention of design and something that they are best good use. Be a king or queen, everyone on the board has a job to do. The subservient leader is firm, fair and friendly. Deserve and earn are not the same to such people. They never mention anything about not getting respect they deserve, because they are too busy earning it from being mindful of the manner in which they treat people on both sides of the door of their homes. There are good uses in all of the tools available to be applied to living a life. Back in the days of the Torah, a person could wake in the morning a king, queen or child of one, and at sunset prepare to bed down as a slave. The days of rape, pillaging and plundering were real. Not all cultures placed the same value on women. Nietzsche's assessment can trace back to the first -ism at the fall from grace. I am more of a balance of Kant and Mill. One man much more sexist than the other, but observations just as valid as Nietzsche.

Good explanation about the bad conscience and also its helpful to people who are interested in Nietzsche !

What would make ab great topic of Conversation and debate, is the relationship between spirituality and morality and existence. I have witnessed many people confuse spirituality with obeying the rules and being good people “” good people “”

A wonderful video. It’s really eye opening and gives a deeper sense of how morality can be falsely used in order to help one’s own inhibitions to prevail over another’s. Yes morality is questionable when faced against others as one wil always conflict with another’s

In my view, Nieztsche is amoral. There is no good or evil, just questions of power, who has it and who doesn't. The only question is how does a person attain power and keep it? Social interactions aren't questions of morality, but questions of who gets to indulge their will over others and who doesn't. This is Nietsche's concept of "will to power", i.e. getting what you want when you want it. I find this view unacceptable and deplorable, but according to Nieztche that is just my own desire to feel morally superior to others...heh.

@I_Ace

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you are saying. It lacks a certain empathy and is more psychopathic and lacks conscience

@jimmysmith736

Жыл бұрын

Exactly lol that’s why it’s all so interesting

@sub-harmonik

Жыл бұрын

I think this concept by nieztsche is descriptive, not prescriptive. Personally I do think that there is a prescriptive morality if you accept certain axioms though.

@celestialhylos7028

11 ай бұрын

Becz evil always seems more powerful.

Historical reference and yet timely.

Most interesting. Most interesting indeed. Cannot say that I am able to agree or disagree. Fuel for further contemplation.

I saw a 13 year old girl who had been raped. During the rape she had been punched several times in the face -- it was an ugly thing. This told me morality is bound up in beauty and ugliness -- the girl was beautiful before she had her face bashed in - and ugly after - it was an ugly thing this violence against her. It was wrong. My sense of aesthetics told me so.

Well it's not that only weak people are moral. Strong people have morals too. And being moral when we are strong is the real sense of morality. Being moral when we are weak is just a mask to hide our weakness. It's almost similar to how a weak person cannot forgive a strong person, only a strong one can forgive the weak.

@walkdeep

2 жыл бұрын

But wouldn't the strong person having morals sacrifice their inherent advantage to others. Having to follow the rules of all the sheep doesn't seem useful. It's like inhibiting. Nowadays with guns though, that is the great equalizer in strength. So those pathetic priests of old can go around carrying guns to mask their impotence.

@BvirtuallY

2 ай бұрын

Neitz is suggesting if one appears a proud master after "inheriting" all "master" traits from one's merciless family, one is morally challenged by a "herd" of insanely bitter, spiteful, cowardly humans intent on challenging their morals and pride. To find the truth about actual morals, however, one should turn to one's own, quiet heart. It alone understands to be moral is to be unconditionally accepting, honest, empathetic, kind, forgiving, patiently giving and above all, TRUTHFUL with self and others: STARTING with the nearest "neediest" one (be it you or an other near you).* *All you must do to accomplish BOTH MASTERY AND MORALITY each moment of life is ask inwardly, "Which being here is plainly farthest from being wholely capable of helping themself?" Picture being in their body feeling what they're (or each one's) feeling. That's the one who needs any kind of help that's kind. As "them" what kindness would help, even just a little? Neitz tried rationalizing a reality that never was, at its source, reality. Perhaps our comments alone can start a chain of reasoning. Let's regather how we each are a missing piece to one and all, birthrighted with the manifestive collective gift of cooperative infinite creating.

Nice video.. completely agree ...

wonderful, just wonderful; MASTERFUL!

The way this short series sums up Nietzsche's beliefs is brilliant, and my hope is that the methodology of these three short video presentations is in line with what this Philosopher was actually proposing. I'm curious what combination of wolf/sheep formula was he under? I.e. wolf pretending he is a sheep or vice-versa or one or the other. Perhaps because it is May of 2022 there's a part of the world where this scenario is being played out in front of our eyes. Or maybe Yin and Yang explains the beauty of duality of existence. Also keep in mind why this technology is possible in the first place, for us to enjoy these videos and elaborate on them. To me belief is a mystical phenomenon that none of us are immune to. The subjective and objective line is infinitely thin.

@UN1VERS3S

10 ай бұрын

Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.

thanks for the explanation, this provides a very useful new insight, for me morals are created at the same time as everyone is born in the world, and this is an innate instinct. Without a certain environment, the baby will automatically develop the ability to judge good and bad when he starts to think

@MichelleVisageOnlyFans

2 жыл бұрын

New insight...? Seriously? Nietzsche had written this more than 130 years ago! His philosophical thoughts have been around and available for decades now! LOL!😁

@muhnuralim3862

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichelleVisageOnlyFans maybe i just to lazy for read every book in the world

@aliceputt3133

2 жыл бұрын

It seems like babies will take any toy or thing they want and do whatever they want until convinced otherwise. It sure doesn’t look automatic or instinctual to me. Seems more like training which can be loving, educational or punitive but isn’t a instinct for morality. There is a instinct for safety and self preservation though.

@muhnuralim3862

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliceputt3133 that's right babies have an insting for survival, it's just that something is not right here. I mean not instinct in babies, but innate morals... meaning that children born without a certain environment will develop the right morals. I believe that morals are innate, although the views that develop from the environment and individual experiences will affect their moral understanding

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

Might Makes Right & that is the Truth The top religions OPENLY PROMOTE NAZI IDEAS OF DIVISION AND HATE BASED ON BELIEF They have reduced their followers down to slaves, down on their knees on the ground, shaking with fear, begging for mercy and hoping for a bone(Heaven) And then live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies and living the good life

A world without morality isn't so difficult to imagine, is it? Absolute chaos. Slave or not man in his natural state has a sense of good and evil which will vary between men, within or without a religious setting

Interesting and makes a lot of sense.

Nietzsche was used by the Nazis to rationalize their atrocities. If a person wants a healthy, balanced perspective consider Dietrich Bonhoeffer. His works, The Cost of Discipleship, and Ethics; are two of his books that are good to read regardless what background a person is from. Bonhoeffer for those who do not know was a Lutheran pastor who actively challenged Nazi activities from his pulpit. He was hanged at the Flossenburg Concentration Camp, April 9, 1945. What is represented were the views of Nietzsche, but it is important to know that he did not even hold what could be considered a dominant position on this topic during his life or at any time after. Nietzsche is important primarily for how aberrant and disturbed ideas take root in society.

@BJ52091

3 ай бұрын

False. Nietzsche’s sister’s interpretations of Nietzsche were used by the Nazis to rationalize their behavior. Nietzsche himself had less than savory things to say about extreme nationalists and several praiseworthy things to say about Jews, but that’s just as conveniently ignored today as it was in the 30s and 40s.

This has given me lots of insights and possibly answers to the intuitive hints my brain has been continuously giving me. It has sort of made me believe there really is no "greater ideal," for the conclusion will be more or less the same. Any political ideal is therefore just a tool of the powerful to drive the masses and as such, hatred and madness is not being rational. The most ideal state we should all strive for, is that we stay rational, humble, individualistic, and strive for objective understanding with mutual cooperation and benefits.

@MichelleVisageOnlyFans

2 жыл бұрын

That is the slave morality right there in your thinking, mate! LOL! I definitely don't wanna strive for that!!!

@vulpritprooze

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichelleVisageOnlyFans the latter half seems to be the case lol. I don't know, that was a solution I thought of on the whim. My point is that there is no greater ideal. Which is why I don't know which greater thing should I even believe in. Being rational and intelligent is just the only solution I could have thought of of overcoming societal things and what not. May I know what you have thought of?

How amazing is it that the slave morality eventually yields greater power. Whoever is the leader and slave amongst peoples evolves over time. So one could also argue that morality is a basic universal law, necessary in the process of evolution. Another note: Both living in at the same time, the big bad dinosaur is no more - the turtle small and humble crosses our roads today.

it makes clear to avoid judging others even your enemies, and its you responibility to survive and also morality is a tool can be used in any ways but intention matters..!!

It’s funny how he thinks the slave become aggressive with their children because they have some kind of self hate, but doesn’t mention that the masters punish the slaves aggressively and this is what they learn about human relations.

@UN1VERS3S

10 ай бұрын

Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.

Should compassion become it's own evil for those who do not understand it's value? That is the question I would ask.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

While a Giordano Bruno & others were being branded heretics and apostates in Christian and Muslims lands, in Hindu India the Buddha was hailed as a God for doing the same thing One of those "heretics" were the Sikhs who broke away from Hinduism and formed their own religion - nothing happened to their founders Today the same Sikhs want a independent nation of their own and who do they hate? Hindus, of course! The compassion and tolerance we showed has now bitten us in the butt If we had behaved like Christians and Muslims and had killed off the Buddhas and Sikh Gurus, we wouldn't have this problem today! We did the right thing and yet today it seems it did not work out, we are hated by Sikhs Dead men tell no tales so Christians & Muslims walk proudly

@Reshyrah

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 Violence begats violence. You think more violence will solve the problem?

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@Reshyrah We seem to have lost the ability to read and comprehend What I said was the even though we do the right thing, sometimes we end up as losers We Hindus did the right thing & now we are hated for it Christians & Muslims basically killed these Buddhas, these Sikh Gurus & since dead men tell no tales, they have the peace of the graveyard

@Reshyrah

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 I don't concern myself with historical quarrels between other groups of people. So the way you phrased your conversation was confusing to me.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@Reshyrah "historical quarrels" the hate is going on now - Sikhs want an independent homeland and they see us as the enemy Why these ideas are so difficult to understand is a puzzle to me - they are not that complicated

My thoughts are that a whole world of unique beings never felt true lasting meaning in one man's theory of differences.

Many Thanks.

Just remember, Nietzsche in this video does not consider how we see morality manifest in animals that don't have a passed on system or codifies morality, yet what we consider moral is also present and quite similar. While this makes sense biologically to ensure the survival if the species, it also undermines his point, which focuses on the survival if the individual, but what we can observe in nature is that the survival of the individual is not the natural state of morality, such as in the social structure of wolf packs - ironically used in this video - where the alpha has been shown to have certain obligations towards other members of the pack, or how in groups of monkeys we see they also have clear moral values with stealing being chastised by the group.

@glennpalomo7009

2 жыл бұрын

An alpha wolf, wow, haven't seen that stupidity since highschool

@lorandd.9126

2 жыл бұрын

@@glennpalomo7009 just like in the video,the weak always hate the strong

@glennpalomo7009

2 жыл бұрын

@@lorandd.9126 you forgot the context in which that thought is applied, go watch the video once more my dear

@lorandd.9126

2 жыл бұрын

@@glennpalomo7009 in its most primal concept,something that is stronger and you cannot beat you hate and try to vilify in order to seem better at least morally(omg alpha male so last year,its cooler to be a snowflake now,cause anybody can do it)

@lorandd.9126

2 жыл бұрын

@Knowone Everyone absolutely correct,dont see how that makes my statement above false tho

Thank you for this wonderful video, Sprouts! Which books would you recommend to someone who wants to get into Nietzsche's work for the first time? Others are also more than welcome to recommend some books, it would be appreciated! :)

@ragnarbluechip8795

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh, I would start off with an introductory book about Nietzsche and his life. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is imo definitely not the first book I would start with, since it's impossible to understand a lot of the concepts without previous knowledge. Ecce Homo isn't necessarily a bad start, since it's a bit like a autobiography and he talks about his most important books, though you can tell that he was already going slightly mad (it was one of his last books)

helpful. appreciated.

@sprouts

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

superb

It’s definitely a worthy piece of work. However the fact that morality is a power tool of the downtrodden is not exactly rocket science, and certainly doesn’t undermine its validity. But pointing out helps to ascertain in what way is our morality supporting an unfair status quo, and in what way is it transformative. It is certainly worth learning these things.

@sprouts

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@jonathonray6198

2 жыл бұрын

@@scientificreactions7938 no I actually think the Jews and Christian’s got this at the time as well, just not with the insights associated with the dark side of that: morality being the weak man’s will to power, and victimhood status and all that, or that it can flipped as a tool to keep people acting masochistically instead of powerfully. Those elements of the dark side I think are still not understood by many: believer or atheist alike.

Great video. Well done. Nietzsche made some fantastic observations. That said, his conclusions outlined in the video only address a small fraction of the full story. His conclusions clearly come from the master's perspective. His perspective is that of the struggle for power and control, which is the master's objective, maintaining control. As a result, he has missed that morality from the slave perspective is not simply about simply survival but also much more importantly, morality provides a system that does not require a system of slavery at all. Everyones needed can be fulfilled when the group works in cooperation, collaboration, and mutual aid. "Slave morality" as covered in the video also provides true meaningful happiness via connection, contribution, and a willingness to serve others. Respectfully, Nietzsche was clearly a brilliant man. On this point, his perspective, and worldview tainted his conclusions.

@BlackCoffeeee

2 жыл бұрын

Slave morality tends to enslave people through group ideology. Those within the moral group, who begin to act individually, are bullied to return to 'correct' path. The only difference between a master and moral group ideology is the amount of people controlling human behaviour.

@ng-marc

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackCoffeeee Respectfully disagree. Morality has another higher purpose. It provides the framework in which healthy societies function. Morality is not a issue of power and control. Morality is a system of self determination and self regulation. True freedom can only be experienced from a system of morality. That's why the Golden Rule has been embraced by every major spiritual movement. In fact, most healthy secular societies also are governed by the. Golden Rule. Authoritative master slave relationships are about power and control. Strong men always eventually fail as thier system of power and control is a delusional lie.

Neitz is suggesting if one appears a proud master after "inheriting" all "master" traits from one's merciless family, one is morally challenged by a "herd" of insanely bitter, spiteful, cowardly humans intent on challenging their morals and pride. To find the truth about actual morals, however, one should turn to one's own, quiet heart. It alone understands to be moral is to be unconditionally accepting, honest, empathetic, kind, forgiving, patiently giving and above all, TRUTHFUL with self and others: STARTING with the nearest "neediest" one (be it you or an other near you).* *All you must do to accomplish BOTH MASTERY AND MORALITY each moment of life is ask inwardly, "Which being here is plainly farthest from being wholely capable of helping themself?" Picture being in their body feeling what they're (or each one's) feeling. That's the one who needs any kind of help that's kind. As "them" what kindness would help, even just a little? Neitz tried rationalizing a reality that never was, at its source, reality. Perhaps our comments alone can start a chain of reasoning. Let's regather how we each are a missing piece to one and all, birthrighted with the manifestive collective gift of cooperative infinite creating.

Bravo!

Loved these ideas. I’m interested in the root of objectivity in morality as certain actions are objectively (across cultures) morally wrong, e.g., intentionally physically abusing and harming a child. I wonder what Nietzsche’s ideas are on that as opposed to the evolution of particular types of morality and cultural morality.

@yisooquartz1666

2 жыл бұрын

Those actions that are objectively wrong can be explained by evolution, as humans it is on our best interest to not harm other humans and not be harmed by other humans. Imagine a no killing babies gene, The children of the people that have this gene would have an easier time surviving, and in turn would increase the chances of reproduction, thus making the gene spread.

@ADenton

2 жыл бұрын

@@yisooquartz1666 As a person with three young children I am certainly no longer interested in my genes spreading (joking). I respect your response; however, I have two issues: A. I don't agree with the premise that from an evolutionary standpoint early men would have been more intellectually and socially sophisticated than other extinct animals. Naturally, they would kill each other without some spark of an idea. Regarding this, two questions: (1) What would have provided that spark/insight? (2) With limited reasoning abilities, why would they trust this insight while their relatives are lying dead around them? (3) What innate or external force could provides the will to not kill and hope they'd be ok? Issue B: It is in our best interest not to harm other humans except for when it is, right? A military general has many reasons to harm an opposing force; yet, he/she doesn't want to be harmed for reasons you could reduce to self preservation. So we can understand that there are reasons to harm, but why would a cold military general still generally be apprehensive to harm a sleeping baby? In other words, why would randomly harming a sleeping child when no one would ever find out objectively bad or immoral? There seems to me to be a common idea or spark around certain moral issues.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

"intentionally physically abusing and harming a child" I was told by a religious person that since I am not a believer I will be tossed into gas chambers in hell and so will my people - even children and babies won't be spared And these are the top religions of the day OPENLY PROMOTING NAZI IDEAS OF HATE & DIVISION Have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees begging for mercy, shaking with fear and live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches so much for all our high talk of morality and values

@terrafirma9328

2 жыл бұрын

Some would argue the life of a foreign orphan as a slave would be immoral to leave them alive in it. Also a resentful vengeful orphan could turn on their master one day when they see weekness.

@khill8645

2 жыл бұрын

Both Deuteronomy (21: 18-21) and the Massachusetts Bay Colony both had laws that allowed for the capital punishment of disobedient children. We might have different definitions of "objective."

thanks for that!! I really agree with Nietzsche as always... Morality should be created to suprime the weakness. But I also think that morality could be invented to control and to manipulate the crowd. To make people behave, afraid of the consequences after death for example.

@moisesfrias1117

2 жыл бұрын

So basically any form of control is evil....and the opposite is the goal...

Life changing💥

Brilliant.

The problem is slaves are not in that condition because they are naturally inferior. They are forced into it. To obey is to respect a leader. No one should be commanded to obey someone who does not have nor has earned respect. Ultimately we are all slaves to something. Even the Masters, for they cannot achieve anything without the slaves who carry out their whims. Their ambition also is a force that enslaves them. Passion without the peace to guide is madness. Peace without the passion to create is lethargy.

@drjp4212

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer to be lethargic then. The point is, after a huge number of generations, slaves are selected to be "naturally" with a slave mentality, like a bird who rejects getting out of the cage even if its door is open. There are still huge doubts about how plastic the cultural behavior determinants can be....like it was said, if people remove the idea of a God, it doesn't mean they can work without a higher authority; they are biologically created to have a god anyway, and they will project modern States as such God. There's no society without slavery...it's impossible. Any kind of myth is needed to make people cooperate and have resignation about being slaves.

@relaxandfocus5563

2 жыл бұрын

@@drjp4212 Do you have any examples of modern day slavery, and how it is maintained?

I find morals very interesting. Nudists see nothing wrong with the naked body. Most people sit in the middle and do not care. Anti nudists claim nudists have low or no morals. Who is correct. The same can be said for many things.

@arthurfleck8843

2 жыл бұрын

Morality is of human construct and is subjective.

@okyoky405

2 жыл бұрын

Moral is absolute and human nature. But as you grow, there's always a vague narrative that can change your perspective on morals. Our brains are literally like computers, if a computer got a virus that caused it to display red as green, would you say that your computer is right and the other one is wrong? or cause your entire image file upside down, are you going to just sit back and say “upside down” is subjective? Unless all computers are attacked by the same virus, then the wrong thing will become the truth. that's what happens to nudists

@arthurfleck8843

2 жыл бұрын

@@okyoky405 nudist was just an example Morals are not absolute, each seperate person have a different set of morals than the other one. Only on a few grounds there are universal agreements and even that's not absolute.

@okyoky405

2 жыл бұрын

I'm talking about the moral itself is absolute. It's not about the morals in each person. Absolute morals always exist even though society do not apply them in everyday life. But when that moral comes to them, they will agree its good

@okyoky405

2 жыл бұрын

The thought that morality is subjective to me is like soaking in a container of heated water. At first you enjoy it warm, but after a while you realize you are being boiled

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