Niemann's Sacrifice So Good, Kramnik Conducts Cheat Test
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Hans Niemann's Chess Sacrifice Is So Good In This Chess Game, that Vladimir Kramnik is Forced To Conduct A Chess Cheating Test using the chess.com game review tool. This gives him the chess game accuracy. Hans Nimeann played this chess game against Fabiano Caruana in the early Titled Tuesday chess tournament on chess.com, on 30th January 2024
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Rumour has it Kramnik is investigating Morphy.
@epicchess2021
4 ай бұрын
😂
@_nemo171
4 ай бұрын
50%-50% chance Morphy's guilty.
@raffaeledivora9517
4 ай бұрын
@@_nemo171Nah, 100% evidence of computer assistance... come on, 300/400 estimated elo above everyone else in the world? That's impossible, statistics doesn't lie. What a disgusting cheater. I'm not accusing anyone though, just saying it's... interesting
@PurpleSkies_
4 ай бұрын
@@raffaeledivora9517 yes, Kramnik concluded Morphy was indeed using Stockfish 24 on several occasions
@compromisedssh
3 ай бұрын
As he should- I’ve heard rumors that Morphy would excuse himself from ongoing games and step into an outhouse, only to pull out an abacus and steampunk machine (powered by pulleys and flywheels that were powered by small rodents running on a hamster wheel- kinda like the mechanical energy Fred Flintstone harnessed on a regular basis, but Morphy had to use mammals instead of dinosaurs for obvious reasons). Kramnick is on to something. Morphy’s (recorded) matches are far too interesting for a man who played chess in that era.
I like Kramnick's system. It's simple and 100% accurate. If he loses, his opponent cheated
@epicchess2021
4 ай бұрын
Hahaha v true
@cooloutac
4 ай бұрын
Have you ever even watched his stream?
@compromisedssh
4 ай бұрын
@@cooloutac do you speak Russian?
@cooloutac
4 ай бұрын
@@compromisedssh He streams in english. I guess that answers my question....smh... And actually if you ever venture outside this bubble and see some chess channels in other languages, like French or Russian, put on captions. translate the comments. They all praise Kramnik. I mean basically the whole chess world. ONline gaming is not taken seriously, Half the people cheat, and its very suspicious to deny this. I don't even think you follow chess otherwise you'd see all the commenters in the chatrooms of these events echoing Kramnik, and you probably have multiple accounts on the website yourself. RIP. If you call Kramnik crazy you might as well call all the top players crazy, and pretty soon none of them are going to play online.
@Nebulix
4 ай бұрын
Average kramnik supporter@@cooloutac
Old GM shakes fist at clouds. Poor Kramnick becoming a meme.
@Keatoil
3 ай бұрын
Nope
@symbarh
3 ай бұрын
@@Keatoil Yep
@Keatoil
3 ай бұрын
@@symbarh Don't ever say yep at me with your facemask on your profile Lmfao
@Fujibayashi50
2 ай бұрын
@@KeatoilYep
I wish Kramnik wasn't crazy. It would be really useful to have an anti cheating ambassador that is sane.
@jaideepshekhar4621
4 ай бұрын
@@Narragorth Accusing Hikaru and any random guy that beats him is just not it.
@SparkSovereign
4 ай бұрын
@@jaideepshekhar4621the game the other week where he reported a younger player for cheating immediately after losing, without even stopping to breathe or check the game review, was especially sad to see. On game review, turned out Kramnik just had a bad day and played with ~75 accuracy iirc. No reflection, no analysis, just vitriol thrown in every direction. He's using legitimate concerns about the prevalence of cheating to go into full McCarthyism...which is ironic in several ways. Tragic, too.
@roqsteady5290
4 ай бұрын
Cultivating individual thoughts is not a good thing when they are not based on solid evidence.
@bleekcer
4 ай бұрын
@@Narragorth Yes, sure, because that's what supergrandmasters do, just giving their honest opinions no matter the consequences, lol. It's very clear what the top players think about HOW Kramnik goes about his fight against cheating, obviously without saying out loud he is insane. You know, what do you think Carlsen thinks about Niemann without calling him names and whatever? You see? And you know, absolutely NOBODY thinks Kramnik is insane, because he is fighting against cheating, everyone is applauding him for that part. The problem is how he goes about it, how he doesn't provide evidence, how he suspects persons on a hunch, and those who perform well against him, while nobody else thinks that those persons cheated. He does a great disservice for the fight against cheating, because he mixes up everybody else with the real cheaters making look cheating more OK, and not less OK.
@eternalbattle1438
4 ай бұрын
Kramnik is just old.
I wonder how much the IDEA that Hans could be cheating mentally affects his online opponents
@jurebergant4776
4 ай бұрын
no top 50 really thinks hans is cheating
@SmugAmerican
4 ай бұрын
Well this was 89% accurate. Fabi had several chances to turn the tables but he just missed it. So no cheating as far as anyone can tell.
@colin3120
4 ай бұрын
Everyone knows he cheated multiple times, Hans even admitted it.@@jurebergant4776
@iliketurtles4463
3 ай бұрын
More than a couple of his peers seem to not really want to play him and instead offer up lines into known draws... So some of his opponents I would say are clearly affected!
@youuuuuuuuuuutube
3 ай бұрын
Bingo. There was an analysis of accuracy of top players, and the same top players vs Hans. And on average, they make more mistakes against him than against other players :)
Kramnik watches in old matches and immediately says -" Hmm INTRESTING , this fellow must be investigated "
@CapnJack1
4 ай бұрын
Bobby Fischer accusations incoming
@dnbmania
3 ай бұрын
That would be a good prank video if you could somehow get him to review his own game but anonymously. I'm sure he'd remember it within a few moves anyway
Kramnik really is making his rounds on the clown world tour.
@steelsteez6118
4 ай бұрын
Amazing profile pic
@helenez2318
3 ай бұрын
If he is a clown at least he is an honest one
@Astrqx
3 ай бұрын
@@helenez2318 its not making him any better
Could you please please please enable last move highlight? It makes it sooo much easier for amateurs such as myself to follow along and analyze. I continually find myself losing track of the last move played when examining positions. Anyways, love your channel.
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
Ah sorry will try remember next game, basically I disable it to do thumbnail grab but then need to re-enable
Definitely the most entertaining and humorous chess channel. Always puts a smile on my face!
If you win you are a genius. If you lose the other guy is a cheater. That is something that we are watching all the time now.
The finishing combo was not that difficult to spot - deflection, fork, then kick king out and promote.
@yggdrasil9039
4 ай бұрын
Promote to a knight instead of a queen and win the rook, in Epic Chess's variation.
@michaelmassaro4375
4 ай бұрын
@@yggdrasil9039at that point with a Queen and Rook the Game is in the bag
@WyDavies
3 ай бұрын
Yes. I'm rated 1600 and I saw it. I've been solving puzzles online and that looked so familiar. It means it must be a fairly standard puzzle pattern.
cheaters are haunting this man in his sleep
I'm not great, but I saw rook c8 right away. Seems like a classic puzzle position.
@SparkSovereign
4 ай бұрын
Same, that's a pretty obvious move to me, and the kind of pattern that actually comes up frequently in normal games; deflect a piece straight into a fork to get your material back. It's not really a sacrifice, just a trade that takes an extra turn.
@michaelmassaro4375
4 ай бұрын
The finish was also classic with the two pawns I’ve seen stuff like that in Immortal games
You don't need to do that much to trigger Kram into a cheat test ^^
Hans finally learned to play like an engine.
I hope Hans will get even better and proves, he's got it in him. Nice chess from this young guy
@colin3120
4 ай бұрын
Yes got it in him, deep in him...
@thomasbayer2832
3 ай бұрын
that is deep 🤣😂🤣
@hermanjohnell2717
3 ай бұрын
But he has to work on his social skills.
I really think Hans is just playing the clock often. You can see when he is making moves back and forth, it's running the opponents clock down. He doesn't trade and instead keeps pieces on the board, likely because he knows his current position and knows the opponent expects the trade and has spent time thinking about the trade. So if he just doesn't think about trading and his opponent does then that is less time he has to spend thinking about those moves. It seems like a sound strategy and one I could see myself doing if I ever wanted to actually spend thousands of hours learning and practicing chess, I don't think my mind is good enough to get into grandmaster though, but I could see it working on masters also. If you can use up your opponents time then it makes sense to make a move that changes nothing, because taking more of their time off the clock gives you an advantage later in the game. And it's exactly why Kramnik lost, he didn't have enough time at the end of the game to really think everything out.
@tyler_the_explorer7
3 ай бұрын
thanks for the tips
Hans singlehandedly making chess great again.
4:27 *he’s doing a journey to world champion
How to generate clicks: Best, include Magnus in the title. Next best, include Niemann and cheating in the same title. If you can add Kramnick as a cherry on top, call it a !! click generator.
Your recaps are a blast, super fun! Ever do viewer games or lower level analysis?
@michaelmassaro4375
4 ай бұрын
What is that not being funny just wondering
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
thanks a lot, I haven;t before but maybe one day
Well this was just a matter of time 😂
He is taught to beat !! I like Hans Neiman play
Goddayum congratulations Hans, and thanks Epic Chess for this review!
4:26 He's such a talented Candidate Master. He'll no doubt secure those GM norms. 😂😂😂😂. Loved the video mate.
Hans rustles so many jimmies
Tbh no need to investigate him still, he should be banned from chess. Period Edit: also that sacrifice was absolutely normal. Flashy winning move, i spotted it as soon as he captured the bishop and I suck ass (1400-1600 elo), which is to day that also Kramnick is batshit crazy
Kram gone full send.
Great game and commentary.
Credit to you for promoting Hans' channel
Hans plays some complex chess that is too advanced for me to appreciate, but it works for him, but in this game he's played more simply and I can understand and learn from his gameplay. Brilliant moves and tact. The moves he's played in this game show patience and a lot of cleverness. In a word genius. Thank you for choosing this game to explain and for this content 😊I haven't reached the Kramnik part yet but at best his views are speculation and he is not the expert on gameplay ethics that he is being given credit for. What should we expect when the highest ranking players face one another? A push to the limits and the very best chess. Let's get this principle underlined and emboldened.
Lmao Kramnik is now the biggest troll in chess
Your content never fails to make me laugh. Keep up the great work!
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot glad you enjoyed!
Crazy people are always entertaining.
Niemann is back with a vengeance!
I am hooked in your content thank you. I don't know if you read comments but I find your hans game analysis fascinating and would love some elaboration 're your opinion on the hans scandals. You seem fairly confident he's no Cheater so I'd love to hear your thoughts. thank you. Big fan.
@epicchess2021
4 ай бұрын
thanks a lot! i did a whole series of videos in a playlist when scandal was breaking if you want to check out
@qwertyuiopdan1
3 ай бұрын
@@epicchess2021 Just watched it! Brill, thanks and please keep doing what you're doing!
3 things I took from this video… 1. Great content and commentary as always, keep up the amazing work mr epic! 2. Vlad needs help! What a a sad sad man! 3. Plus I now don’t like watching a chess game without a good old fashioned “epic chess” knight journey adventure, I like when he leaves home, returns penniless to mum n dad, leaves again, then returns home to find his mother is dead and dad has done very little so leaves for a 3rd time only to die valiantly at the hands of a passed pawn at the battle of G7!
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
thanks a lot!
I watched to the end, Kramnik simply did what most others do: he guessed the "best moves" percentage and... that's pretty much it. When another GM does this, we don't call it a cheat test. We call it "guessing percent best moves." Not a cheat test. A "cheat test" is when Hikaru brings on a fake statistician who fumbles though made-up stats to "prove" someone cheated while Hikaru nods along and says that it is all very interesting. That was a cheat test billed as a cheat test and it failed miserably.
known cheater starts playing surprisingly good chess.....hmmmmmmmm
Good on you, Kramnik.
The outstanding pawn march 🙂
I’m a climbing 700, relatively new to chess and I managed to get a 96 accuracy over a 47 move game, it was a 1500 performance though. I probably just got incredibly lucky, but high accuracy doesn’t show the whole picture. This isn’t aimed at Kramnik, but there are people who see high accuracy as the only stat worth looking at for cheating PS love your content as always James
The Niemenator strikes again.
After all he's been through, I'd like to see Hans win something big.
@slabathonfury3879
4 ай бұрын
al he's been through? LOL. Like being a cheater and getting caught multiple times?
@cooloutac
4 ай бұрын
Hans gets smashed over the board. Hes not anything special. Just another cheat.
@samatosal8003
4 ай бұрын
@@cooloutac Hans is a 2600+ elo live chess player. Meanwhile you're a nobody who writes stupid comments on youtube. Facts...
@samatosal8003
4 ай бұрын
@@slabathonfury3879 Nope, like being falsely accused of cheating without a single proof. While you are still hunting witches much of humanity has evolved.
@ChokeslamToHell
4 ай бұрын
@@slabathonfury3879He was caught cheating as a teenager a few times online. Nothing more.
Using Kramnik's own criteria, which players/games of the past (before GM-level computers) would have come under suspicion? For instance, were any of Fischer's sacrifices so good that Kramnik would have accused him of cheating if he were living in this modern era?
Plotwist Kramnil choose a new careerpath as a comedian pranker!
He should take it to the next level and analyze also Hikaru. Just because he lost does not mean he did not cheat 😂😂😂
He wouldnt promote to a queen, but a knight! Fork the king and the second rook...
I saw it and I am NOBODY. Kramnik is smoking some weird stuff, sadly. Chess has spoken for itself!
Even I saw that ending coming. It's what I would have done, so it must not be that tough because I'm terrible.
Kramnik and Nieman: Two sides of the same coin.
great video
I think we need to accept the fact that Hans is just really good at chess.
Starting to become a Niemann fan. Wish he was a little more likeable.
@macca3281
4 ай бұрын
I’ll be honest i now luv young hans, think he gets it tight…..although tht might just be the beads tbf!
@GAOMaster
3 ай бұрын
He is young
what engine used?
Hans starts with e4 and I'm already thinking this is sus!
Hans is the kinda guy whod sell his soul to the devil to be the best
@Corteum
3 ай бұрын
How do you know that
@DonTrump-sv1si
3 ай бұрын
@@Corteum Your question is nonsensical as my above statement, while hints at truth, is satire. Maybe loosen up a bit. If youre of age, have a beer. Get outside and talk to people. You can do it.
@Corteum
3 ай бұрын
@@DonTrump-sv1si I like Trump :D
@DonTrump-sv1si
3 ай бұрын
@@Corteum Did you get outside a bit?
@Corteum
3 ай бұрын
@@DonTrump-sv1si I'm outside and inside simultaneously. Superpositon. 😂 I'm still wondering how you know that, though? How do you know he's that kinda guy? Are you some kind of new age mind reader? 🤣
For their rating, I don't think that's cheating. Fabio just made a misstep with his capture of the bishop instead of going for the pawn with his knight.
For once, Kramnik's reaction is if anything underwhelming, given how other former World Champions have reacted to Niemann's play.
I'm baffled. If I can see that finish with Rc8 (and I spotted it and the follow up almost immediately), how can anyone be surprised that a top grandmaster spotted it?
Stop giving a platform to an old man yelling at the clouds. He brings nothing into the chess world now. Let him be forgotten for good.
What’s your thoughts on the Ponziano Opening for 400 n below players or would you recommend another one that may be better. I’ve got to say that (when I execute it correctly based on their first 5-6 moves)has won substantially in the last 20 games. 15/20 2 draws 1 checkmate 2 time losses in my first 3-4 games. I’ve also lost about 1/2 my games w black. Clearly, I am just a beginner and my level is still sitting 260-290. Went from 400-200 in 1 day. 13:43 So I’d appreciate any advice, feedback, knowledge, etc. Appreciate the channel nice, ez to understand, good delivery, excellent analysis. I just subbed
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
thanks a lot and yeah ponziani is good! I used to play it years ago, fight for the centre early which is good
Go Hans go! .... Oh the salt !
10:20 I never understood the score, why does it dip so much and then go back gradually up?
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
depends on depth, bar boucnes a lot
i appreciate the coverage bro, watching each vid haha
@Ronak-ob3yc
4 ай бұрын
Big fan 🪭. Ur my favourite chess player
@epicchess2021
4 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot and no worries! I mean I just cover the most exciting and topical stuff basically and right now that is like you, Magnus, Hikaru, Kramnik. Bit of Alireza maybe/Giri/also the strong Indian players. Thanks for the amazing games and great entertainment!! I'd suggest a collab some time to help us mutually grow but would take some thought on what that content would even look like. But do drop me an email if interested, especially if you are in London right now (saw your video earlier), I'm only a train ride away
classic got me lmao
Well, a broken clock is right twice a day.
@epicchess2021
2 ай бұрын
You mean a broken clock right 😁 a clock is right many times a day haha
@RadishAcceptable
2 ай бұрын
@@epicchess2021 oops! Haha, yes. Fixed it!
What if the player who get accused put he is pants down to prove that he not cheat?
Kramnik has accused Stockfish of cheating
hans has beaten magnus, hikaru,and now fabiano. we are watching the rise of the anti hero
@thegorn
3 ай бұрын
He's like Djokovic beating Federer, Nadal, and the other one
The boy can play.
Has Kramnik gone over the 1971 Bobby Fischer Candidate's Matches? He won several of them 6-0. I'm sure Bobby was doing some kind of time travel to use 22nd century chess computer technology to prepare for his games. Maybe he had a "future link" implant so he could access the computer game/move analysis during play?
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
Lol I suspect he has but not recently!
Don‘t make a Queen, but a knight!
Hans elo: 3219 - Fabi: 3067. Sure buddy - What a shameless cheater.
With my level below 2,400 I would find this sacrifice in seconds. I think most of 1900s would find it too. Fabi is not as good in blitz as Hans. While Hans played a solid positional game without major mistakes, Fabi struggled finding solid strategy and did not use few opportunities to improve his position. Fabi's style is good for classic though.
Love your videos. Thanks, from India!
Great title :D
Hans have not beat Caruana OTB in classic, rapid, blitz and suddenly he played a perfect game agaisnt him, Kramnik is right
@KemosabeTBC
3 ай бұрын
Maybe he cheated, I have no idea. But the game was far from perfect
@jevitigre
3 ай бұрын
@@KemosabeTBCMy point is that Niemann plays another chess level when he plays online
A tub fit for a king
Isnt it amazing that when Kramnik wants to investigate cheating he gets banned and when the same thing does Carlsen to Nieman with much more severe consequences it is Nieman who gets banned and not Carlsen....
If that's how he reacts to winning, I don't want to watch how he is when he loses.
Online chess very easy to cheat😂😂😂
Bro Plz cover 2nd game of Alireza Wesley game from today champions chess tour It was a banger
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for tip I’ll try get to it but idk , wasnt able to make a video last night
We know hans was an online cheater, but Kramnik has lost his marbles.
My 12 yo brother played a chess game with me on my team and found this same tactic! Guess he's as good as a gm
I rather enjoy that chess has an "Evil Genius" that gives fits to the chess establishment.
Kramnik responded to a comparison I made between Chess and BMX. I said, “Top guys are excellent, but for every top rider, there are 100 unknown guys who shred just as hard. Just because you have a Red Bull Sponsorship doesn't automatically mean you're better than everyone.” His response was “But much higher rating does”. Is ELO that accurate?
@epicchess2021
4 ай бұрын
not sure I fully follow sorry but generally speaking ratings become fairly accurate over hundreds of games played
@JohnDuthie
3 ай бұрын
@@epicchess2021 How do you compare the ELO of someone who plays exclusive invite only events vs someone who's less known; Someone who only has Open Tournament opportunities? My point is that a kid might have a lower elo but ELO isn't the only factor. He could even be better than Kramnik but plays riskier events.
I like d7*c8 Knight also, takes b6 rook.
Once a cheat, always a cheat. This fool has already ADMITTED to cheat"on occasion "ffs, why is he still permitted to compete?
@davidl8094
4 ай бұрын
@mejustme8138; "Once a cheat always a cheat." Prove that.
I mean even I thought of Rook C8 and pushing pawns at the end...
Only a world champion can win by playing good moves. If it’s a beginner like Hans, he could only win due to his opponents blunders.
Kramnik is a "last man". look it up
you cant really tell if a grandmaster is cheating from the accuracy. in the middle game of a complicated game, if they get just 1 move from an engine it can be enough to win. so they could easily be playing 39 legit moves and 1 cheating move.
I have a feeling Kramnik became a World Champion in what was it (?) 2008(?) and then he took a short nap. So he woke up yesterday and nowadays the kids are playing the same 3 move combinations but in a different order. It's almost as if they've been playing against Alpha Zero and learning new tricks. Or it must be a parallel Universe.
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
Lol na he became champion in 2000! Even longer ago 2000-2007 then Anand took over
You said Hans is starting a series "journey to GM" - that's incorrect, he's already a GM - his series is "journey to world champion" 🏆
@colin3120
4 ай бұрын
He is only good on line, his rating is much lower over the board for some reason.
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah whoops lol thanks
Kramnik should stop pretending to be the anti cheater.
Not cheating. No way. Even I saw that move and I’m only 1500
What's suspicious to me about Hans is not that he finds a single tactic, it's that when chess became popular on the internet, he was basically an unknown random GM who would probably struggle against the likes of Ben Finegold, and now all of a sudden he's confidently beating the best players we've known for years. Either he's an exceptional talent or there's something fishy.
You can make comments all you like about kramnick but 1. Cheating is a problems in chess specially online 2.he is a former world champion 3.Hans has recognised that he has cheated in the past 4.no one has ever accused kramnick of cheating.
Did you see the statement by Saint Louis Chess Club?
@epicchess2021
3 ай бұрын
Only just now wow! Thanks for heads up
@ToivoChess
3 ай бұрын
@@epicchess2021 I talk about it in my last video "More Chess Drama" timestamp in the comments 🍿