The NHL is a perfect example of tripping over dollars to pick up pennies

@kylecmurphy

15 күн бұрын

That explains Bettman to the tee.

@biffstrong1079

15 күн бұрын

Pennywise I call them, but yes.

@ArchStonieBoi

15 күн бұрын

@@biffstrong1079 Yup pennywise, dollar stupid

@TheManny717

15 күн бұрын

Which is why I gave the homeless guy 4 pennies one time because that’s all I had at the time.

@HRHSLArchives

15 күн бұрын

@@kylecmurphy Yes definitely, Bettman totally hasn't been the reason the NHL has grown as much as it has since '93 and why the league is making billions each year.

Best sport, worst league.

@xmarine73

15 күн бұрын

Best sport, worst brand*

@stu729

15 күн бұрын

110%, it really is.

@jasonkashefi8241

15 күн бұрын

At least the leagues aren’t as corrupt as soccer. Trust me it’s not the worst league

@5elmts

15 күн бұрын

Football/soccer is way worse

@SovietWinnieThePoo

15 күн бұрын

All of the leagues are this way, they just hide it better than the NHL

How dare NHL fans want to intimately interact with the product

@-pancakes7205

15 күн бұрын

The NHL drags their feet to promote the sport

@sincitysinnermike

15 күн бұрын

It's okay if it's gambling because then they make money.

@Bob-wy6zv

15 күн бұрын

Look back at history. The sport is awsome but the big boys are content being #5 in popularity’. The word passive is an understatement for this league. I enjoyed the WHA back in the day.

@clydeblair9622

15 күн бұрын

Lol

@thebigbucktheory5488

15 күн бұрын

​@@Bob-wy6zvconservative and passive get very intermingled, maybe intertwined, but leagues with huge popularity also have alot of issues too. Better to build it slower and right.

NHL: "We don't want you to know anything about salaries and the cap." Also NHL: *holds press conference in which they specifically announce salary cap and floor*

@Statsy10

15 күн бұрын

Yes, this is a theory that Shannon and many other people have. It's quite possible the league just got blindsided by this like the rest of us did. Who knows?

In a hard cap league, transparency is a must. The accountability and access for reporters to do their jobs is a must. Hiding that information from the public domain (and its paying customers) is ludicrous to me.

@danielfreeman8725

15 күн бұрын

it's not hidden, you can easily find this data on other sites.

@jeffa.7618

15 күн бұрын

@@danielfreeman8725 right, my comment is to the point of Shannon's video (of the NHL not wanting that out there at all)

@MDogme

15 күн бұрын

@@danielfreeman8725 .... 🙄--[man that Daniel is stupid] way to miss the point

@burts3781

15 күн бұрын

Are you discounting Shannon's feelings in favour of your logical, and well-considered analysis? How dare you!

@rickyma3189

15 күн бұрын

Transparency and accountability? I don't think the NHL cares about that. Same league that has no idea what to do when it comes to the Department of player safety. Also, allowing an official like Wes McCauley to officiate games with Sheldon Keefe, some who testified in court against his brother in law.

Capgeek ended because it's creator died. Very sad...

@closethockeyfan5284

15 күн бұрын

And NHL Numbers before it 😢

@michaelrudd1927

15 күн бұрын

On top of that he took all of his site algorithms and tools with him why it wasn't just recreated.

You mean to tell me that fans want transparency and information about the sport they love. What a radical blasphemous concept that the NHL had to deal with. These leagues need to get with the times.

@JPMadden

15 күн бұрын

"The times" being post-1950s. These damn kids today, with their dungarees and long hair and loud music and the Internet!

IMO, if any team is receiving government support, whether that's in the form of stadium funding or tax breaks, then their financials need to be public. They shouldn't get public money if we don’t know where it's going.

@Alex-js5lg

15 күн бұрын

Good point!

@ssmith87

15 күн бұрын

💯Was going to type the same thing.

The betting sites will pushback because they need cap data for setting odds.

@vipeholmskolan6052

15 күн бұрын

They can buy the data from the Caps!

@JenivieveSteve

15 күн бұрын

That doesn't sound very FRIENDLY to me 😆

@Fahrvernuggen

15 күн бұрын

While we all become gambling zombies.

@dps0610

15 күн бұрын

Betting sites won’t have a say. Just like they can’t affect officiating for the most even playing field.

@bartphlegar8212

15 күн бұрын

The sportsbooks will get some kind of filtered access to cap data from the league - for a price...

NHL basically a good ol boys club….they seriously don’t know how to market their product, or just don’t care which is why they aren’t as successful as they could be

@fredleinweber2819

14 күн бұрын

Hockey is an expensive sport, so I do not fully blame Bettman or the league for this. Even middle class families do not want to pony up for all the equipment and relentless travel that goes with it. I really do not know why people have a problem with it being a niche sport. Still successful

@stevelavery4766

14 күн бұрын

Biz. The disruptor the NHL needed.

Reminds me of how Nintendo loves shutting down ROMs for games they made but refuse to sell. You can admire the game, but you can't play the game.

@Alex-js5lg

15 күн бұрын

Because if you're playing old Nintendo games, you're not buying (as many) new ones.

@evileyeball

15 күн бұрын

Games are best played on original hardware anyway but I do see good reason for roms to exist as well because we don't need a situation where a hoarder can hoard all the copies of a rare game and keep it from everyone

@austinsroche

15 күн бұрын

@@Alex-js5lg yeah, I mean, as someone who only plays a handful of games, I'm not buying any new Nintendo games. I haven't bought a nintendo, or any console game, since 2012. Emulation for games like F-Zero that they will never revive and games like Project M should be allowed to exist imo. Especially when Nintendo does not release suitable substitutes (Mario kart 8 and smash ultimate are not good substitutes at all)

Scouting the refs is next. You know they really hate that one.

At the end of the day , Cap Friendly is a privately owned entity that owes nothing to no one. The NHL should establish it's own version of Cap Friendly, simply because it helps with fan interaction and independent content creators (like Shannon) to provide outreach to existing and potentially new fans .

It's the most interesting part of every EA hockey game.

@zjsz4954

15 күн бұрын

I haven’t played an actual game in nhl for years but I play franchise/gm mode weekly

@JackKanoff1

15 күн бұрын

The only interesting part

@matthewlinz6336

15 күн бұрын

If only the menus weren’t so bad. I played 09-13 all the time but at some point they changed the whole interface to be like Madden and it’s fucking garbage

To the gatekeeping point, A good amount of people in the reddit game thread asked why it was still 4 on 4 after edmonton scored. They just got ripped apart for asking. Shout out to the people that didn't make fun of the ones asking.

@ugiswrong

14 күн бұрын

Reddit is a cesspool

so what your saying is I need to start building another site so i get an offer I can't refuse lol

this league is an absolute joke when it comes to actually trying to grow the game and engage with fans. For a league that's technically a "not for profit" organization, "Not-for-profit corporations must disclose its financials to the public in Canada" so the league saying anything is proprietary is an absolute joke.

@JD200_

11 күн бұрын

Fairly certain the NHL is not a not-for-profit

@jameson1239

12 сағат бұрын

@@JD200_it is somehow it’s a 501c 6 tax exempt not for profit I don’t know how that’s legal considering they generate billions of dollars in revenue yearly

@JD200_

10 сағат бұрын

@@jameson1239 wowwww learned something new tn. Thanks dawg!

How does the NHL expect to grow the game when they take away resources for fans

@floxy20

15 күн бұрын

Believe me, 99% of fans don't give a flying fatoo.

@mokumboi19

15 күн бұрын

@@floxy20 Source?

15 күн бұрын

They dont care about the fans, they have gambling money now. The NHL could LITERALLY not sell another ticket to games and couldnt care less Thats how much gambling revenue they get and are going to get.

@csolivais1979

15 күн бұрын

Probably the same source that the op ised to make his statement. ​@@mokumboi19

@jkliao6486

15 күн бұрын

@@mokumboi19 You can probably just check the traffic capfriendly gets. Most people watch the game if it's on, or are casual fans if you like the term. And casual fans don't really care about cap sapce. They might be shouting LTIR on social media, but I bet you most of them don't even know what that means. Sure you can classify my response into "trust me bro" category. But many a time you don't need hard evidence, common sense and logic is enough for you to make a right judgement on most stuffs happening in life, including this topic.

I have the solution for the NHL owners: Buy the entire Internet plus every social media platform.

This solves the cap circumventing problem. Just keep the fans in the dark. NHL doesn't know about puckpedia 😂 welfare capfriendly but it works

i hate to break it to the nhl but as long as there are fans this will never go away

Nhl don't worry about our finances next breath here 50 ads on how you can gamble yours away...

I'm going to miss Cap Friendly. I really hate that the NHL just wants the fans to pay all the bills and keep their thoughts to themselves. They treat their fans as a necessary evil to be endured. I was priced out of attending live games years ago, (my apologies to the NHL. I know I should get a 2nd job to help pay your salaries), but now, I will never again spend on any licensed merchandise as my own little protest over this latest slap in the face by the league to the fans.

@csolivais1979

15 күн бұрын

There are other websites with the same info. And as popular as cap friendly was, don't be surprised to see several spring up soon.

This is a detriment to other front offices in the league. Sports radio in Edmonton had an interview with a current GM revealed that current and past GMs use these third party sites along with their own internal information. Big win for the Caps, big loss for the rest of the leagues.

@danielfreeman8725

15 күн бұрын

CF isn't the only third party site.

@jkliao6486

15 күн бұрын

If that is the case, it is an alarm to all other teams who doesn't have a cap analysis tool they develop themselves. If you are relying on third party tools for a foundational part of the hockey operation within your organization, you are doing sth extremely wrong. And by that I didn't mean hockey team should set up their own grid to generate electricity or that, essentials don't count.

@9:50 with your point about players not knowing what everyone else was making- you're exactly right. There's a famous story where Gordie Howe was being told by Bruce Norris/Jack Adams that because he was the top player in the league, he was getting top dollar. It wasn't until he started talking to defenseman Bobby Braun where Bobby guessed Gordie's contract amount ($49,500), and then Gordie was PO'd when he learned that Bobby was making $67,000. So even back then they tried to wring guys out for all they were worth & gaslit them to believing that they were making top dollar.

As it is always in the internet, one page dies, several new pages start. Don't think it is possible to hide these information forever... They are still living and thinking in the paper age...

I'm an Uber massive stats nerd and I'll just come out and say it, if the NHL restricted things to the point where all there was to do is watch the game I'd just stop watching hockey. I know casual fans will say that when there team does something dumb, but I'm not just an Avs or Sens fan, but a massive hockey fan in general, and unfortunately it just wouldn't be worth my time anymore.

@evertandersson9499

14 күн бұрын

Same here. This is ridiculous!

And if fans didnt have access,theyd be even more pissed off as to why their team isnt doing something!

Heard on another video the guy that ran Capgeek passed away. Why it no longer a thing I believe.

@cameronthomas4986

15 күн бұрын

This is accurate unfortunately

@moufou4life

14 күн бұрын

Yea he was sick

@timdowney6721

14 күн бұрын

How long before someone starts the rumor his death was another of Bettman’s “fixes?”

Excellent and honest take on what's going on. Good to see Shannon's wholesome/fair-minded delivery still doesn't spare NHL brass from some scathing words.

This is why people who like hockey and nhl should own the teams and not people who only care about money

@dioniciotrevino7672

15 күн бұрын

That would be good for maybe a couple years but the fans will turn in to the ones that only care about the money.

@theboogeyman1571

15 күн бұрын

The people that care about money keep the league running

@tripsaplenty1227

15 күн бұрын

then there would be no money to pay the players, coaches, doctors, business managers, etc. The NHL would go the way of Fan Controlled Football.

We have already started a new "Cap Friendly" stay patient! It's the software they are after, but it's not a protected property

@chrisbelos2834

15 күн бұрын

anyone can do what they did, people just don't understand how

@taskdon769

15 күн бұрын

Spotrac and some other websites also have those infos but not as user friendly as Capfriendly. Basically it is just a annoyance purchase to those fans that cares about cap room.

@ShinyMew76

15 күн бұрын

Will it have a Trade Machine?

The NHL can’t get out of their own way.

@Michael-pg7rv

7 күн бұрын

They don't actually care about improving the game and the experience for fans. They just care about money. As simple as that. Sad.

Gordie how was being told by the Red Wings that he was the highest paid player in the league...turns out he wasn't even the highest paid Red Wings player...that was a big reason for his calling it quits...which opened the door to Huston (WHA) giving him a contract.

@user-iw5mp5th6d

15 күн бұрын

There's a big list of NHL owners shafting players.

At some point in the future, the NHL will just give out generic information about contracts. It will be Joe Bob signed for 3 years. No actual breakdown of the numbers. It will be like it is with injuries. Upper body/lower body.

@evertandersson9499

14 күн бұрын

Insane!

losing Capfriendly is going to kill my interest in the EA nhl game. I use it alot to help edit my rosters, track trades and so much else--without it i think this is my last year buying the game.

@danielfreeman8725

15 күн бұрын

capfriendly isn't the only cap site. WHY ARE PEOPLE ACTING LIKE THIS INFORMATION IS NOW SECRET??

@SharksSJ408

13 күн бұрын

@@danielfreeman8725Other sites aren’t as accurate and have missing data

8:21 I'm of course biased but I still maintain Tom Wilson's hit on Oskar Sundqvist had minimal head contact. The head certainly wasn't the main point of contact. That 20 game suspension was an overreaction. It was almost certainly the whiplash that caused the concussion.

The feature i liked the most was the depth chart. It was up to date and made it easier to watch games

NHL also doesn't like revenue sharing data to be public cause fans from wealthier markets might realize they're being laughed at completely with the ridiculous prices they pay.

"Here's a lump some of money. Stop making videos." "And my answer to that would be no" 😂😂😂 Shannon with the smoothe transition too. "But at any rate" 😂😂😂 LOVE IT

Wow, that's so fvcked up. If we can't discuss contract values at the games, then we are going to complain more about $18 beers at Canes games.

Back in the 6 team NHL , 2 of the 6 teams were owned by the same family.

I'm tired of the NHL owners asking me to "grow the game" for them. They can "grow the game" for themselves from now on.

Puckpedia!? And i heard the Caps arent letting it go dark,they are gonna charge!

@Wayf4rer

15 күн бұрын

That's even worse.

@TheHockeyGuy

15 күн бұрын

Good luck since they would be selling other teams' info. I can't see the NHL allowing that.

@Jerry-lw6uf

15 күн бұрын

you don’t know shit

@smadas4192

15 күн бұрын

@@TheHockeyGuy didn't say it would happen, but I did see an article about that

@justjohnny420

15 күн бұрын

​@@smadas4192 sounds like gobbledygook from an opinion page

I’m new to hockey and love learning more of the ins and out of the business from you. Thank you for all you do!

The Cap Friendly situation is why small private enterprise (e.g., Cap Friendly) is always going to outdo large, often bureaucratic organizations (e.g., NHL). Given its popularity and utility, look for a VC to fund a "new" Cap Friendly. I am sure one of them already has a student taking images of every page.

I just noticed the framed photo of Gary Bettman you put in the background. too funny hahahaha

Man I love this guy! Always with content that's got a finger on the pulse of the people

THG... does yhe purchase include the NBA version Salary Swish?

The NHL needs to understand in the age of fantasy sports having a site like Capfriendly was highly successful and brought fans a lot of joy. They are being very short sighted in this regards.

The armchair GM part of it is the best part about capfriendly lol. But yeah, I get it why the website will go dark, sucks for us.

Bettman is unfortunately the prime example of the greedy Shylock stereotype and seems to love being just that. I bet his office thermostat is set at 85 in the summer.

@csolivais1979

15 күн бұрын

You act real surprised when the next commissioner is the same as Gary.

@dleatherman4539

13 күн бұрын

@@csolivais1979 I'll give it a shot. I will probably fail

I love CapFriendly, Puckpedia’s interface isn’t as good but it’ll have to do

There's definitely a labor argument here too. Salary transparency raises salaries in every industry.

@PattyPat162

15 күн бұрын

Cap Friendly was a tool spoon fed by player agents...

Its things like this why the NHL will always be last in North America

5:55 THG was watching Jon Stewart wasn't he? Good man.

@jonmendelson1104

15 күн бұрын

Immediately after I heard him say that I scrolled to the comments and searched for "Jon Stewart."

Why does the NHL care if fans know salaries

Fantastic rundown and discussion on these issues. Well Done!

10:35 The reason why HR departments everywhere and anywhere doesn’t want you to discuss and be open about your salaries.

I see THG is also glad Jon Stewart is back

How long before one of the big sports betting companies buys or builds something like this?

Is there anything to support the feeling that the NHL doesn't want "fans all up in their finances"?

Shannon, I remember when you had like 2000 subs. You haven't changed a bit (i still hear the camera beep haha...love it!) You're honest to a fault, and Corporations HATE that. If they come for the Hockey Guy, there will be blood.

If teams don’t want this info out; how website figure it out?

Hey Shannon. I bought a few domains and I am looking into the backend effort to build a replacement site. I think the biggest hurdle is getting the insider information. Any tips or suggestions would be helpful.

1:05 then the nhl doesn’t need fans

I'm pretty confident all of the teams have their own internal "CapFriendly" databases. They also rank amateur and pro players very regularly for trade purposes and since the contracts are filed with the league, the terms will be known. Since the Caps bought the site and not the NHL, this leads me to think that this is an aqui-hire (buy a company to get a person).

Heard ya on the radio today !! i also like Top shelf hockey on the east cost. keep up the great work!! subscribed!! :)

This is the hockey guy, true Canadian, at his most pissed.

So they expect me to gamble on their sport without complete transparency?

Mario also said it best decades ago regarding the NHL: Garage League.

Your best bet for a Bettman interview is after he steps down as commissioner

Sports should be for the fans by the fans. Leagues need to realize that passion from the fans is more important than the dollars they are worth. In Germany, all soccer/football teams are required to be fan-owned. This places fans over profits. When you see the culture and passion in Germany it makes me wonder what would be possible in North America if fans were considered fans and not consumers. In some soccer teams in MLS you see this but rarely. As a fan who will live and die for my team, the NHL's corporate culture really upsets me and I hope we as fans can push for a change.

Just a thought but how concerned is the NHL about this actually? Are they gonna force EA to remove GM Mode from the game because we see the cap and the contracts of players on it? (I know the games aren't as in depth for cap, this is for sake of argument)

Looks like the NHL is no longer Cap... friendly 😅

How did we, The Sharks, go from a perennial cup contender to now a threat of punishment for going against the league?? 🤦🏼‍♀️

Your gig is safe Shannon. The NHL is far from buying KZread. 😜

The thing is having access to contracts etc is basically like having the payroll for urr local company.

A fabulous show ,discovered you right before the playoffs I can't get enough keep up the fantastic work

What is each teams’ cap maximum? This never talked about. Or is it cap hit plus cap space?

There will be another site pop up the day after the sale is finalized.

Yeah, it's not like new contacts are announced publicly or anything

It's hard to fault the NHL for ignoring CTE when you consider that everytime a player hit someone in the head more than half the league says "The NHL is soft". They get the league they want. The Riley and Trouba things really drove that home. No one in the NHL really cares about CTE when it's someone on their team dishing it out, and former players with CTE don't care about new dudes getting CTE either.

Apparently, there are only a handful of teams that already have an internal system in place that shows info like capfriendly. The rest of the teams are scrambling to set something up. Instead of creating one, the Capitals just purchased capfriendly.

Did you know that the NWSL doesn't even publish player salaries? When Sophia Smith resigned this year with the Portland Thorns, none of the media was actually able to report what the amount of salary that Smith receives is, but they could reliably report that she was the highest paid NWSL player ever. That's just unbelievable to me, I was astonished when I learned that.

I specifically find the trade clause aspect of contracts of import when I want to keep or get rid of players with large contracts.

Most of the franchisees operate publicly traded companys, and their financial statements are available to the public.

I remember when they finally made salary information public. It was a big deal. In the end it did end up bringing salaries up (justifiably) and it also made the league much bigger. It was a rinky dink thing back then, and a lot of the execs still have that mentality. I picked up an old book at a library sale called Net Worth (can't recall the author) that was about the early days and the formation of the player's association. The owners had it all over the players back then. Interesting read.

I have CTE and the newest studies are saying that it doesn't even take a concussion to cause CTE. It's also just continual hits to the head.

Name any other North American League that would do something this stupid. MLB and NBA all allow this information to fans because it helps you follow along with the front office on how teams are constructed.

So the NHL doesn't want to fans to know/care of teams financial situation. Easy - just get rid of the salary cap and we will go back to not caring about salary structures. The NHL created this "problem" for themselves.

@defaultuser1447

15 күн бұрын

Oh, fans will still care, just in a different way. We'd be back to a few teams having total salaries much higher than others.

This just further confirms that despite this being the age of information, stupidity is still an epidemic

I was thinking of Lou Lamoriello as soon as his name was mentioned.

Puckpedia tracfic just went up 30000000%

1. NHLPA and players' agents association kinda should run its own CapFriendly. 2. Owners can't have it both ways. Either you have a salary cap, or you can keep everything secret.

Hey man I don’t know if you’ll read this since vid is 2 days old but this is some of your best work, keep it up 👏🙌

Really good video Shannon

Does this mean we won't know the full details for Free agency & trade deadline? It's like they don't want us to know if its a good trade or a bad trade by contract value

I remember the WHA merger. Not good for my team.

@anthonyrousseau8050

15 күн бұрын

If not for Edmonton lucking out with Gretzky, they would've been moved too.

Sad to see this as a new fan of the NHL. I don’t understand why the NHL can’t see that greater engagement leads to greater purchases, this greater revenue. The NFL seems to understand this (more or less) better than the NHL. A change here really could help the NHL in the popularity department when compared to the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.