This is an interesting change of dynamic. Newcastle regularly pitched itself in the Mike Ashley era as a stepping stone to players in a different sense, where players could briefly play well at PL level so they could earn a big move on later (though admittedly this worked better for some than others). Approaching this the other way where the club is looking for stepping stones is an interesting way to build the squad but may just work if done right

@lonestarr1490

Жыл бұрын

And even if it doesn't work initially, they can just keep on trying. It's not like they're going to run out of money any time soon (or ever).

@lmcshera

Жыл бұрын

I think most PL clubs will (behind closed doors) pitch themselves as a stepping stone to Champions League clubs for players with aspirations

@michaelkitchin9665

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think back to Ayoze Perez. Bought for something like £2.5m and then he leaves for £30m. It's that kind of turnaround Mike seemed real keen on. You can take the hit on players leaving for less if one of those hits every few seasons.

@josemanuelrivasrivas

Жыл бұрын

6

@samotian0331

Жыл бұрын

@@lmcshera yeah but in this case the players are the stepping stones for the clubs rise to success

Some of the Man City transfers were only seen as stepping stone in hindsight. Santa Cruz and adebayor had big expectations and were some of the leading strikers. I don't think city expected then to need to be replaced so soon. Players are only regarded as stepping stone players in hindsight, if they need to be replaced it's usually a sign the recruitment wasn't good enough. Zabaleta and kompany were both keey but signed way before.

@mindphaserxy

Жыл бұрын

Kolarov did stick around for a long time but was sparingly used in the last couple of years. He just retired too.

@jamiemckell34

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you nailed it

@Elliot-T

Жыл бұрын

Chicken and egg scenario. Did they buy these players because they were stepping stones, or did the players they bought allow them to buy better ones in future?

@tonytynebridge510

Жыл бұрын

Their best business imo was signing the wonderkids of the time Aguero, Silva, Kompany

@dingypt

Жыл бұрын

agreed, this comment just erases the entire video :p The idea of stepping stone players fits the narrative of Man City but barely fits PSG. So yeah, hindsight is 20-20 as its usualy said

I think this video is made with hindsight. At the time players like Adebayor, Santa Cruz and Bellamy all appeared to be the next big stars with huge price tags. Where as Newcastle aren't necessarily signing big stars, they're signing reinforcements. So I think what you're trying to get at Newcastle are learning from City's mistakes whereas they're not shooting for that quick fix - they're being sensible and steadying the ship first.

@kazisamir3411

Жыл бұрын

The owners aren't also interested in making the team the best within a few years. They are targeting 2030 hence why they are going easy

@Ldoggmillionaire

Жыл бұрын

Most of citys signings were just players good enough to get you into the conversation for top 4 places. Only Tevez was truely elite and going to turn you into a title winning side

@Gooner184

Жыл бұрын

@@Ldoggmillionaire Adebayor was class at the time, he just flopped at City.

@nunomartins4265

Жыл бұрын

ah yes the mistake of dominating english football soon after

@XXXTENTAClON227

Жыл бұрын

@@nunomartins4265 by accidentally overspending ? Sure, you can succeed by spending more than you need to. Idk anyone who would willingly do that though

Rafa Benitez pre-takeover: "We are not a stepping stone, we are Newcastle United. Every player should be honoured to wear the shirt of this club. They should feel the same passion that the fans feel. We are only interested in bringing players to Newcastle who want to work hard for the club and the team, not players who want to be at another club maybe next year or the year after". He got it, and so does Eddie

@stevelaurent82

Жыл бұрын

Newcastle United is a great club. But the reality is that there greater clubs than Newcastle.

@onnie9summers

Жыл бұрын

This video talks about the club using players as stepping stones not the other way round. I don’t think you quite understood.

@gerritgeibeb8554

Жыл бұрын

Bling bling Jewelry Neymar will add to Newcastle global appeal

@scottbain8415

Жыл бұрын

@@onnie9summers He's a Newcastle fan of course he doesn't understand

@onnie9summers

Жыл бұрын

@@scottbain8415 So am I

imagine newcastle winning the ucl before man city

@uxdecipher1724

Жыл бұрын

Don't be surprised

@SteA197

Жыл бұрын

What's more likely is Newcastle before PSG. I'd love to stick a £5 on if I didn't have to physically walk into a bookies.

@titusbramble7403

Жыл бұрын

Honestly as a Man United fan I am genuinely concerned they will win the league again before we do

@pacco9532

Жыл бұрын

We will

@firestarter1888

Жыл бұрын

@@SteA197 Online?

Plus, they signed Nick Pope today, according to multiple reports.

Seems like Chelsea never had this when Abramovich arrived. Then of course they were already at the top of the table (4th) before Abramovich, although in that time the league was only contested by Arsenal and Man Utd

@justakidtryingtomakeitgrin4417

Жыл бұрын

And winning titles uefa super cup beating madrid and uefa cup winners cup and winning cup

@yaheardme111

Жыл бұрын

7 th at best

@m.aununu.musaffa7466

Жыл бұрын

Porto winner make chelsea didnt need stepping stone player..

@lennon1482

Жыл бұрын

before abramovich chelsea were also rans

@naivejudgements8884

Жыл бұрын

While they were pretty much already competitive at the time they were taken over, their first season did have some whiff of this. Definitely that of raiding the other English teams around them, signing players like Damien Duff, Glen Johnson, Wayne Bridge, Joe Cole and Scott Parker. But it was a much shorter process, Mourinho came in the second season and really put his team together with Cech, Robben, Drogba etc coming in.

I’d hardly call adebayor a stepping stone player. He was top class at the time

@Cudareli

Жыл бұрын

The video is just wrong, simple as that. Adebayor was the opposite of a stepping stone player, they went off strategy and tried to sign a world class player and it didn’t work. They would have been better off trying to sign an actual stepping stone player there rather than rushing it.

@alexalexab

Жыл бұрын

I'd argue the same for Roque Santa Cruz, they weren't signing one of the PL's top scorers only to replace him in a season they expected him to preform at the level he had for Blackburn presumably

@sriig

Жыл бұрын

Right, and then proceeds to list 3 Newcastle players. One of whom is so obviously not a “stepping stone”.

@SenorSupreme176

Жыл бұрын

His numbers at city would indicate otherwise

@Ldoggmillionaire

Жыл бұрын

He really wasn’t. He had about 1 good consistent season in his time at Arsenal. 15 goal a year man at best, not someone who’ll win you a league

3:05 - Starter for City AND lead roles on The West End? Michael Ball might be the most talented man in England!

@Wreckedandruinedand

Жыл бұрын

he literally got ball in his name

Santa Cruz and Adebayor were not intended to be stepping stone players. They were 2 of the best strikers in the league at the time

Describes Newcastles position, imo, perfectly. While using a great example as to how stepping stone players are used. Wonderful stuff

Fun fact: Newcastle is the only club that can pay Neymar's salary currently

@Gbest_

Жыл бұрын

Wow

@randommage1

Жыл бұрын

Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Chelsea etc can all afford his contract without violating FFP. remember Madrid was ready to give Mbappe a contract that exceeded Neymar’s

@randommage1

Жыл бұрын

Lequipe reported that only Newcastle are interested in paying his salary, not that they were the only club that could afford him.

@thecatman5257

Жыл бұрын

@@randommage1 "afford" and "pay" have two different meanings man 💀💀

@Alex58399

Жыл бұрын

PSG

This trend is also applicable to big teams that have fallen from grace. Inter Milan, Liverpool, and AC Milan for example. They all had to follow similar strategies in order to get back to the top. There are also failed examples, like Arsenal and my own Man United, but you can tell they failed because they were done haphazardly.

Excellent stuff Seb.

they aint done bad in bruno, hes quality, around more class in midfield he could really be an amazing player for newcastle !!

@GlassTecRacing

Жыл бұрын

100% - For once, we have a baller in midfield, where, no matter the situation, you always feel he will retain the ball. And in the moments he doesn't, you have to hold your hands up and admit the opposition won it well, because he's that good!

@TheAlphaDingo

Жыл бұрын

best Bruno in the league - especially next to that coward and cry baby at Man Utd

@ladiswaharam5566

Жыл бұрын

Joelinton has also been phenomenal in midfield. Really can't believe how good he's become

@Strangegloves

Жыл бұрын

@@ladiswaharam5566 true story !!

Would love to see the dynamic and intrigue of league with Newcastle as perennial top 6 challengers, would really add some freshness and change to the top.

@eavyeavy2864

Жыл бұрын

I will see the naysayers saying Newcastle is more big 6 than Tottenham

Excellent piece!

Would be cool to take a look at RB Leipzig’s stepping stone players :_)

@calicationoflife

Жыл бұрын

diego demme is probably the key one here

@CrimsonKobaNakirigumi

Жыл бұрын

I mean they're out of that phase already having squeezed many lower division and reserve teams from their talent. Demme, Klostermann, Halstenberg, Orban are good examples.

@thomasarsenal5465

Жыл бұрын

Yussuf Poulsen.... And he's still there!!! 😂

@abdulraheem468

Жыл бұрын

Poulsens overrated

@jacksonsorth762

Жыл бұрын

Or RB Salzburg

No mention of Richard dunnes role in this period of city's growth

Very informative!

Hey guys, great video you’ve got here. Super interesting topic as always. However, the background music is way too serious. Any chance the fun and chill background music could make a return next time?

@nikola2811

Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking how I liked the change of pace, it gives a bit of tension to the narrative.

@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere

Жыл бұрын

they should just get rid of the music altogether. It's distracting. Any video or radio show that has annoying music playing in the background just suggests that the narrator has nothing interesting to say

Great video. Think a lot of other Newcastle fans who are underwhelmed with the signings should give this a watch.

@thesabreferret

Жыл бұрын

I've not seen a single Newcastle fan who is underwhelmed with the signings to be fair...

Good quality, albeit with some errors which I'm willing to ignore, given your never-ending sea of perennial top class content. I think more than just going for big or big enough names, Newcastle will do well to get good players that fit Eddie Howe's style. Not only had Howe himself still got good potential to become world class at some point, but his style of okay is becoming quite common, especially in the upper echelons of European managers. I only hope they get good quality defensive reinforcements as well as depth players as that's always been a shortcoming for Howe, be it for a poor squad or his own gap in knowledge. In a way Howe is a stepping stone manager, with quite a few European ones with a similar enough style to be a good fit for Newcastle. Sarri being the most high profile and realistic that comes to mind. I like their Man City like approach though.

@andorrasrevenge1683

Жыл бұрын

I feel like as soon as they get the chance Howe is out the door for some one that is experienced at big clubs, it’s going to be fascinating to watch unfold.

@tonytynebridge510

Жыл бұрын

@@andorrasrevenge1683 Howe was linked with the Arsenal job a while ago, no reason why Howe can’t grow with the club, he is class

@andorrasrevenge1683

Жыл бұрын

@@tonytynebridge510 I also think Howe is class, but I wonder how the saudis feel.

@michaelkitchin9665

Жыл бұрын

I do wonder if the presence at the top of City and Chelsea have them thinking of a slower approach. They don't need to make Newcastle that kind of force. They also alluded to FFP which ultimately impacts how daft spending can really get. Progress for the next couple of seasons can just be making sure you're not looking at life in the Championship.

@tonytynebridge510

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelkitchin9665 they’ve literally said their ambition is to win the league, FFP won’t touch us for a while and I don’t think they care about City and Chelsea

I think a lot of City’s signings in that first proper summer under the new owners were targeted signings to try and weaken the clubs around them (Villa, Arsenal and Blackburn) as opposed to just purely be stepping stones, what will be interesting is whether with so many PL clubs not needing money that Newcastle can do the same. If Newcastle had been taken over 5 years ago, somebody like a Zaha or Raphinha would probably be top of their shopping list, but neither of their clubs need to sell and so much weight is placed in European qualification for lots of players now, that I don’t think Newcastle’s rise will be as straightforward as City’s.

@greghudson6861

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, and I think we need to consider the "stepping stone manager" concept here too, in that Eddie Howe does exactly what stepping stone players do - he's come in and lent an air of credibility to Newcastle. Howe is an established and capable manager who kept a Bournemouth side in the league for years on a shoestring budget. But even though he now has charge of a club with money to spend, I don't think he's got the reputation or the tactical brand to attract elite players. I remember the furor when the takeover was completed and Mbappe was of course immediately linked, and my first thought was "Does Kylian Mbappe, darling of European football and heir apparent to Messi and Ronaldo, want to play on Tyneside for Eddie Howe???" I think Howe will do a job for Newcastle and with some of the stepping stone players might even get them to Europe this season or next. But he'll need to be replaced in favor of a manager with more intrinsic pull if Newcastle want the blockbuster moves they'll eventually be seeking.

@robbietk94

Жыл бұрын

@@greghudson6861 Yeah, Howe is an odd one because he is a new regime appointment but he also fits that Ranieri and Hughes mould of “Decent manager for where we are but not for our destination” and I can see him being replaced as soon as Newcastle look likely contenders for Europe every season and someone of a higher calibre becomes available

@thesabreferret

Жыл бұрын

I don't see that happening at all. The elite players that we have like Bruno and Trips seem to have bought in to Howe's vision completely, and the club are far more likely to try to sign up and coming superstars rather than the finished article who are less likely to care whether the Newcastle manager has won Serie A or la Liga in the past, and more likely to look at what has happened at the club they want to join. It probably all comes down to how this coming season goes and if they can qualify for Europe by the end of it.

@greghudson6861

Жыл бұрын

@@thesabreferret Newcastle have the money to meet any manager in the world's wage demands and backing requirements. They signed Eddie Howe. It's entirely possible that he can lead them to great things, but I highly HIGHLY doubt that the owners looked at him and said "this man will lead us to the pinnacle of club football." They looked at him and said "we need a proven manager capable of leading in the Premier League and improving this squad to give us a foundation for better things." Look at managers who have been on the market in the past 12 months. Pochettino. Ten Hag. Conte. Even Jesse Marsch. Why haven't Toon pressed for a manager like this and promised him all the financial backing he needs? Because they can't attract that calibre manager yet. Same with players. Think of Newcastle right now where Liverpool were. Not in 2015 when Klopp took over, but in 2012 - new owners had come in and needed a serviceable manager to get things headed in the right direction. Enter Brendan Rodgers - British manager with an abbreviated playing career who had overachieved with an underfunded Swansea side. He came in and there were a few years of improvement. Eventually he was replaced by Klopp when things went south and THEN Liverpool became giants again. Eddie Howe is Toon's Brendan Rodgers, not their Klopp. Trust the process though. This Newcastle club has far more financial backing now than Liverpool had. So with steady and strategic investment the rise back to the top could take closer to 4-6 years rather than 8-10 as it did on Merseyside.

Tifo Football is such high quality football content. It would be a dream to be a part of anything close to them in regards to a football journalism career 👏 great stuff guys

@maw86

Жыл бұрын

Are they your stepping stone?

@jackdavis1664

Жыл бұрын

@@maw86 if only 😅 bit off topic and to no one’s interest or that you asked but I’ve recently been writing my own football essays much like the audio of these videos, exploring Football questions and subjects ( I.e, what made the World Cup 2014 in Brazil so iconic) . I’ve been really enjoying the process

@maw86

Жыл бұрын

Shameless yet seamless plug, you should definitely be writing for the TIFO Football Podcast

@jackdavis1664

Жыл бұрын

@@maw86 😁😁

@Olli3_Morris

Жыл бұрын

Checkout broadcast jobs, they actually had a job on there recently.

That Robinho signing was crazy, i think at the time City wanted a marquee signing to try and show everyone they meant business which is why they tried to get Kaka or Berbatov but in the end they managed to get Robinho which turned out to be an absolute disaster as he clearly wasnt right for the club at that time. It was only really after the arrival of players like Silva and Aguero that Citys dominance of the league began

@charlesray9674

Жыл бұрын

And he wanted to sign for Chelsea which didn't want him. He was that typical young player who received too much money early in his career, couldn't stay healthy and squandered his chances of decent career 😔

Great breakdown

Fair play, I appreciate the Carioca pronunciation of Guimaraes there

Really good video

I have mixed opinions here, would they have been considered "Stepping Stone" players if they ended up being amazing for the club anyways? I feel that this is just the basic buy "good / better than what we already have" players rather than it being "stepping stones", as I feel whoever City (and eventually Newcastle) bought were already better players than anyone on that squad in the first place (even the January transfers and loans of Trippier, Wood, Guimaraes, Burn, Targett were improvements over whoever drab they lined up previously), and in the end the fact that they're able to buy even better and more expensive players after that is because of their wealth.

@naivejudgements8884

Жыл бұрын

The point is the owners have the financial capability to go out and buy any player they want right now, but not every player wants Newcastle. It's clear that PIF want this Newcastle project to repeat that of Man City's. While they could easily pay the same money City just have for Haaland, he would not go there. So by definition, Chris Wood is a stepping stone player, to get the club where they need to be to even be considered by players with greater stature. 'Stepping stone players' is referencing exactly what you described, improvements to the squad, but they are short term stop-gaps, because PIF have much, much bigger ambitions than what they have now, and will probably take a few more stepping stones to get there.

Waiting for Newcastle "sensible transfers" video!

Ironically Newcastle are benefitting from what Man City have already achieved, as the likes of Bruno and Botman are players who arrived at least a couple of seasons ahead of schedule, and I doubt we could have attracted them without what the Mancs achieved. We also have the benefit of being able to copy what worked for them while avoiding some of the pitfalls, which will hopefully mitigate the disadvantages of working within FFP. Newcastle also have the advantage of potentially having a fantastic manager who may be capable of actually being the man to lead us to honours rather than being just a stepping stone manager. If he can integrate the new players who are coming in as well as he has so far, I see no reason why he can't be at the club for a very long time... Great video by the way!

I think it's worth noting that even when there isn't a sudden influx of cash on hand, the stepping stone player still has his value in transforming a club. Look for instance at Liverpool who have always had a tighter budget under FSG. Players like Adam Lallana, Danny Ings, Ragnar Klavan etc, were players brought in to do a job but they weren't players whose abilities represented the ceiling of Liverpool's ambition. Rather they were viable options to serve for progress in advance of the real start players like Thiago, Diaz and VVD who now occupy those same roles 5 years later.

Wow finally a video that I’ve been think about

Brilliant Brillian stuff👏🏾👏🏾A++

Man United fan here, I feel we might have to do the same to start getting into top 4 first and then upgrade to players capable of delivering title

@aamirbilvani

Жыл бұрын

True... we've fallen so far off course, that we now need to think as if we're an Europa league club and build from there, rather than the self-purported "best club in the world". It's also showing in the number of players reluctant in joining us. Finally, it would also help reduce the average salary of players, since currently we have a lot of players that are paid at least 50% more than market rate...

@spoonhanz

Жыл бұрын

Your problem is you've stopped producing players, when united was dominant they had a core of homegrown players which you haven't done in years

@oceanwaves657

Жыл бұрын

At first, you need to appoint pep Guardiola or Juergen Klopp as your manager. Oops! They are not available. Which means you have to digest what your mediocre manager Erik hag tan feeds you.

@aamirbilvani

Жыл бұрын

@@spoonhanz I don't entirely agree with that. Rashford has great ability, and with better coaching and management than Ole or Jose provided, might have been much much better. Same to a lesser extent for Lingard, Andreas Pereira, Brandon Williams, Dean Henderson, McTominay and more (without even mentioning MG). Finally, we just won the Youth Cup, so there's obviously talent there. As a counterpoint, even the other great teams right now don't have many great established homegrowns. Only Trent for Liverpool (maybe Curtis too), and Foden for City. United still has better homegrown talent than almost everybody except maybe Chelsea and Arsenal

@TheAlphaDingo

Жыл бұрын

keep dreaming pal, you're a meme club now. Top 4 is nothing but a mirage for your club. Glazers only care about milking the money out of the club.

Anyone who's managed a semi-pro club on FM; 'holding on to a player for a couple of seasons' *start of season* You're fantastic, sign here!' *end of season* Away with thee, boy.

Newcastle should try to maintain their current standing this season i.e. finish 10-11th in the 2022/2023 season and simultaneously improve their roster quality. The can sign players from their opponents, mid table teams from corresponding league and buy talented players from top teams who in dire need of game time. Currently :- Wolves Roster> Aston Villa Roster> Newcastle Roster. Additionally they can sign really young talented players who can rise with the rise of the club. If the player blossoms and wishes to leave in the future the club can command hefty transfer fee. If the player blossoms and NUFC board manage to keep him on board then he can become a club legend and the marketing team can sell him as the next icon after Alan Shearer.

@Ethan_Ross

Жыл бұрын

Newcastle finished 3 places above villa so how to they have a better roster

@since-oj9ce

Жыл бұрын

@Bon appétit ! Villa had a better squad last season too but still finished lower.

the background song is fire.

I remember the title run in the 90's under Keegan when Utd were playing regularly in Europe. It's hard to see them ever be more than a mid to bottom table team though.

@jaredbowhay-pringle1460

Жыл бұрын

Newcastle never amounted to much in Europe under Keegan, a UEFA Cup quarter final is the best he managed in the days when only the champions got to play in the Champions League.

Bruno Guimarães is The Best CM in the league and he will make Newcastle the best ! He is the Stepping stone

I am a Wolves fan but look forward to seeing Newcastle grow, the more money spread around the country the better. I do think a big backlash is coming against footballers in Europe however, as people struggle financially, we see images of footballers on their yachts over the summer before they come back to earn 200k a week and lecture the working class fans on social issues.

In the past Chelsea & City and now Newcastle. They are going to hurt big teams like Manchester United Arsenal and mid level teams like Spurs and West Ham in the near future. However the future is bright for Newcastle.

@mnm1273

Жыл бұрын

Big clubs like Spurs 😂

@frankbalotelli

Жыл бұрын

@@mnm1273 haha I got to edit that.

Audio feels different for this video. The music background is a bit more dimmed and Joe’s VO seems to have a different EQ or compression. Anyone else notice that?

Update the title to: Manchester City and the Stepping Stone Players

Great vid as always but you spelled Didi Hamann as Didi Hamman lol

That's checkmate son 😂

Chelsea did this the best, as some of their "stepping stone players" actually played big roles even after Mourinho arrived, and some stayed even long after, like Lampard.

@Yamcha291

Жыл бұрын

Lampard was bought before abramovich though

Sky is not even the limit I love Newcastle Jersey Oh my that Jersey is something special

Some good points there, but ManCity and Newcastle cases are very different. Newcastle has had a period of frustration and lower table obscurity (with a few seasons at Championship as well), but that's a matter of a really bad ownership with little ambition only interested in making money, not a reflection of the club as a whole. The club has a long history of very good and successful teams, maybe not a huge cabinet of trophies but still very often challenging the title winners during the late 20th century.They also have one of the best stadiums in British football, they appointed one of the best young managers in England, and have a great, very supportive and loyal fanbase. All things that City could not boast about in 2009. The players that might be on Newcastle's radar won't be wondering wether the prospect of the team is "legitimate" or not. World Cup could be a fair reason to want to be playing in European cups or at least be at a team a bit higher in the table right now. But it won't take Newcastle as long as it did City to convince players and agents that they are a genuine Big Club, because they actually are one.

@Josh-pj7tq

Жыл бұрын

Delusional lmfao. City were a bigger club than Newcastle back in 2009 same as today

@TheNormalJuan

Жыл бұрын

@@Josh-pj7tq Such a big club most players around the world didn't even know there were two Manchester clubs! Meanwhile, Newcastle is a well known and supported club around the world, and has been for a very long time. 90s era of Asprilla, Shearer, Ginola, Solano and Ferdinand was just so much fun to watch. Can't remember a single interesting ManCity player from the early 2000s. 10 years of dominating the league, and City still can't regularly fill their stadium. 20 years of Ashley's regime and terrible results, and Newcastle fans have never stopped going to the matches. Who's delusional here?

@Josh-pj7tq

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNormalJuan You can't remember Wright-Phillips or Anelka from early 2000s? Are you sure you watched football back then? And also Newcastle have been in the prem for almost all of Ashley's time and you credit their fans for sticking around? What about city who were selling out Maine Road in the 3rd tier? City had 30 years of being a yo-yo club, their fans are far more loyal. And the fact you think city can't fill their stadium when we do every week just shows how clueless you are. We've been in the top 4 for average attendances in the league for every season since 2009/10 and we are always 100%-97% full. This is what happens to you when you get your facts from youtube comment sections. In 2008 when city had their takeover city had 12 trophies while Newcastle had 11, city finished 10th this season while Newcastle got relegated. Mancity had spent more seasons in the top flight than Newcastle. And Historicaly City had the highest ever home attendance in English football with 85,000 at Maine Road, Newcastle's highest was only 70,000. So tell me who the bigger club is?

@TheNormalJuan

Жыл бұрын

@@Josh-pj7tq funny, I knew about Newcastle, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Leeds, Fulham, and many other clubs that I'd watch games of... learned of City's existence when Robinho signed. Just as the rest of the world. Only kids from the local area knew the club. Is that your definition of a "big historic" club? Because if it is, then, I really am sorry for you.

@Josh-pj7tq

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNormalJuan o So you only started watching football in 2008 then. You waffled about Newcastle havent some magic powers which made them better than city, and I proved you wrong. Either accept it or be quiet

aston villa are currently gaining such stepping stone players, coutiniho, kamara ect one to keep an eye on to see if they move the needle for the midlands club......

(from youtube comment Frank Dux) When Newcastle were signing ASM for £20m, Lewis £15m, almiron £21m, Wilson £20m, joelinton £40m, willock £20m etc, and the club was staying well in black as Mike Ashley liked it, nobody once said what they were doing was unorganic, spending beyond their means, manufactured etc. But suddenly Newcastle sign Trips £12m, Pope £10m, Targett 12m, Burn 12m, Bruno £30m etc, now it's a problem, “the club is spending beyond their means, breaking FIFA fair play rules, blood money and all sorts.” Seems more like because they had a poor management and poor performances nobody cared and they weren't a threat. Now that Newcastle have a better manager and the team is performing better people are feeling threatened and the slander and hate has started. now I add myself, you see why people bash Tottenham for not winning trophy? because they weren’t in position for european slots before. small club hate they got 1 less kid to kick, top club hate 1 more competitor

@johnhonai4601

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Man United added Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane and they must be doing better than their last season's 74 points. Since they didn't, they blame Man City signing Grealish for 100m and his bad form while we have improved 7 points from 86 last season. Then there are other's who complain Man City spend 50m on Kalvin Phillips. What else should the club do when a player of Fernandinho's calibre leaves

@naivejudgements8884

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But, you literally explained it, financially kept in the black by selling to buy. Those purchases come after Sissoko is sold for 30m, Wijnaldum 25m, Townsend 15m, Thauvin 10m, Mitrovic 22m, Merino 10m, Perez 30m. As far as I'm aware, Newcastle have yet to sell any players for a fee since Perez in 2019, yet they have spent over 200m in the same time. I'm not sure why you're trying to defend the owners involvement in the club's current trajectory. I have a soft spot for Newcastle, and it's a shame to see them being prostituted. Even more of a shame to see fans defending it.

Just need Sunderland back in the Top flight to reignite the Tyne-Wear derby’s

@royvandermarel3953

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You'd love to see it. Though I am afraid that too much financial influence might harm the status of the derby. In the same way that PSG isn't considered a derby rival anymore

@adisucipto5386

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and Middlesbrough

@hamster4810

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I don’t feel like it’ll be a rivalry anymore. Sunderland will need a few years to get back to the top flight, and by that time Newcastle will probably be challenging for or in the top 4. While Sunderland will just be promoted. A bit like Paris Fc and PSG aren’t rivals anymore

@mindphaserxy

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Paris FC and PSG weren't really a fierce rivalry. PSGs main derby is OM for sure

@muchiosgracias4

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@@hamster4810 Sunderland are an irrelevant little 3rd division club with the most deluded bitter scruffy fans in world football

Wished I thought of using stepping stone. Great description of or maybe transitional players. Hmmm

This is a lesson FM teaches you through your playthroughs and you didn't even know that it was a thing

Newcastle will get a top 10 finish this season and that’s about it

@celestialrex551

Жыл бұрын

Nah they look good man . Since Howe came in .could end up in European place

@jxp

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That’s all I want.

@1607Adi_Manz

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they will either go to conference league or europa league this season too early for ucl and epl

Most of these were stepping stones only in hindsight, they grabbed whatever they could grab, with no intention of having to replace them in only a couple of years.

Newcastle united fan from 🇮🇳 since 2002 here Make more videos on Newcastle, tifo

anyone here after they just qualified for the champions league?

Eddie Howe has a golden opportunity with the Magpies, he will have many challenges but he better not waste it!

Chelsea was leading the EPL during the takeover...last season was so dramatic

Every FM fan starting with lower division clubs knows what stepig stone players are

We need to consider the "stepping stone manager" concept here too, in that Eddie Howe does exactly what stepping stone players do - he's come in and lent an air of credibility to Newcastle. Howe is an established and capable manager who kept a Bournemouth side in the league for years on a shoestring budget. But even though he now has charge of a club with money to spend, I don't think he's got the reputation or the tactical brand to attract elite players. I remember the furor when the takeover was completed and Mbappe was of course immediately linked, and my first thought was "Does Kylian Mbappe, darling of European football and heir apparent to Messi and Ronaldo, want to play on Tyneside for Eddie Howe???" I think Howe will do a job for Newcastle and with some of the stepping stone players might even get them to Europe this season or next. But he'll need to be replaced in favor of a manager with more intrinsic pull if Newcastle want the blockbuster moves they'll eventually be seeking.

@chakraborty1989

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Howe Is still young, he could himself become glamorous manager in Newcastle if he can show continuous progress and deliver league by 2025/26

Howay the lads! Toon army!

I look forward to the Tifo upload. Saudi and stoning people.

A step by step club then at the moment. Hence why Newcastle are taking time in signing people (to some people too long).

Transition is needed for anything. Overnight success is imposible in any system that works for a long time so nothing new around.

They have the OL brasilian bruno to give goals to saint max they need world class defenders and fast wing players... Buy renato sanchez ndombele from oL and madrid players isco bale and someone like iago aspas and theyd have strong.core

How much did Newcastle spend on those players? So far they seem to have done brilliant business with "cheaper" stepping stone players + a few high profiles for the long term as Guimares and Trippier

The Newcastle board seems to be following in Man City's footsteps rather than PSG's. Hopefully they can become a football powerhouse in a few years time.

newcastle have to sign ward prowse and guys like that

How about this: A stepping stone player can become an all round player with the right conditions and atmosphere. Take Zlatan Ibrahimovic for example. After joining Ajax, he was initially brought in to boost Ajax's attacking power which was stacked but shifting from a generation of old players to new ones. He was not trusted at first but later became one of the best attackers. Now he's in Europe's elite strikers list, having carried the league with almost all his teams. Another prime example is Giroud. The Arsenal striker was in Chelsea more like a stepping stone player when they needed to acquire new talent but got banned from it. When he moved to AC Milan, he revamped and became a complete striker even as he's been long doubted of ever becoming.

The only people who aren't needing our transfer activity explained are NUFC fans, it seems. The rest of the football world made up their minds about what we were going to be and how we were going to spend and behave in the first nth of a second after the takeover and cannot be cured their misapprehensions. Not to say there aren't plenty of Newcastle fans who are over enthusiastic and expecting us to instantly become a behemoth. But most are MORE than happy with steady, sensible, sustainable growth and the club being operated with a sense of direction and of maximising the club's own resources after years of being held back and run at a profit.

So you're saying that Wayne Bridge was a....bridge for Man City?

70% of the vid is about Man City not Newcastle

@jez4900

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Man City is the blue print to follow, always helpful to study best practice when devising your own plans.

@Josh-pj7tq

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@@jez4900 tbf city probably followed the blueprints layed down by chelsea, Blackburn, nottingham forrest and all those clubs before them as well

@jez4900

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@@Josh-pj7tqThose other teams didn't have FFP. I think the reason City are a good guide is because of the similar level of constraints to spending that are in place. If we could follow a Chelsea blueprint this summer we would spend 800-900mil.

@Josh-pj7tq

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@@jez4900 Fair enough

Amazing how Chelsea couldn't be used as an example. Roman was a trailblazer and superb owner.

I typed in tifo Newcastle to see what you guys have said in the past before the takeover and this popped up from 20 min ago

Interesting chicken and egg situation. Need good players to improve squad quality but need good squad quality to attract good players.

What's with the peculiar background music. It killed the mood of an otherwise excellent video

I saw what you're trying with Lautaro Martinez.

Sensible transfers?

You forgot about big Benjani from Portsmouth 😂😂😂

The Ajax route OR the red Bull route, I believe these 2 are smart strategies. Develop home-grown players, sell them at their peak market value, invest in your “operations” and expand. Imagine having a global network of “feeder clubs”.

@aliali-ce3yf

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that would take 20 years

@charlesray9674

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@@aliali-ce3yf Not for Ajax

Reminder that while Chelsea, City, and Newcastle will need/needed to buy stepping stone players as they were nowhere near Europe when they were taken over, PSG did not need to do this as they finished 4th in Ligue 1 and made the final of the Coupe de France (losing on a stoppage-time goal) and making the UEL last 16 the year before the takeover despite being under the worst owners in their history (Colony Capital)

Do this video again but for Everton and tell me how it's different 🤣

I think great manager is the biggest attraction to recruit great players

@jez4900

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Nah, squad quality, pay check and historic size of club with a heavy recency bias. Every player knows on a four/five year deal they'll most likely see out the manager and have the next guy in. The factors i mentioned also determine the quality of manager you get.

Man U has a lot of great stepping stone players looking for their big shot somewhere else Jesse Lingard would be perfect

Newcastle is a big club!!!to me a clubs size=nr of fans.Newcastle has a 56000 seat stadium sold out each week while battling retrogradation or at best mid table.They will be bigger than chelsea battling for titles like in the 90s

Yes, but is Eddie Howe going to be able to attract really high-quality players? He did an amazing job will the current squad but will Over seas players that have never heard of this guy be convinced?

@afc8981

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Does it matter for this window? Providing they get this summer's targets (e.g. Ekitike) and finish in the top half of the table, they'll be able to sign better players next summer.

@shazamkhan7771

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Attract ??? ...if you look in hindsight money is the only attraction

@tjfyvie

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Having Guimaraes and Trippier helps.

@edwardkelly3280

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They got Guimarães from Lyon

Robinho thought he was joining Man Utd 🤣 It was an interesting period when Man City kept on raiding Arsenal for players. G.Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, Adebayor.

@johnhonai4601

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Now it's the other way around

So basically this video suggest that if your team is not brought by a company which is financially state backed then there is no chance of improvement and all clubs gradually must look for owners who can get money from a country's treasury to improve the club. And FFP is just piece of paper and clubs already know how to bypass it.

When are the sensible transfer videos starting ?

Robinho was the first player which came to mind!

Music a touch loud

In some ways its interesting and exciting to be witnessing a Man City-like rise to the top in Newcastle, but in other ways its depressing. Money is everything in football nowadays, and it just sucks seeing more and more examples of this. To be fair though, there is a clear gap between top sides and the rest in the PL, and although I like seeing an example of clubs bridging this gap, I just wish it were done in a better way than just slapping money at the problem.

@muchiosgracias4

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Well little Man Utd and little Liverpool shouldn't have been so greedy and had all the rules changed to keep them there. Their success is built on nothing but money and corruption

@Tom-lr1if

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@@muchiosgracias4 what are you on about

@tonytynebridge510

Жыл бұрын

We’re rich 🤑 woohoo

@Tom-lr1if

Жыл бұрын

@@tonytynebridge510 lol, hopefully yall buy somebody better than Jonjo

@tonytynebridge510

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@@Tom-lr1if jonjo has been fantastic this year

Bridge is the ideal stepping stone player

Should take them approximately 5years if they get the right players for the right system they’re trying to play i.e Pep and Klopp

@bobparkes2493

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5 years to what? Win the title? I seriously doubt it. I would anticipate they're competing for champions League places in the next 5 years but to be able to beat city or livepdool for the title in 5 years is not feasible I don't think..especially with everyone else also strengthening in that time

I forgot Man City had Michael Ball in their squad before their takeover..... what a career change for that man

Harry Maguire , wan bissaka and Dean Henderson

Excellent stuff. Pity the men upstairs at Man Utd don't know how to execute this strategy.