This is going to be a winner for rural/all season use. This looks really well executed. Can't wait to see the potential of this.

Pro tip for viewers: set playback speed at 1.25x.

@cgi2173

2 ай бұрын

There's no need for being rude. 😡

@HansKeesom

2 ай бұрын

@@cgi2173 Actually, he is not wrong

@3h33am

2 ай бұрын

And that’s being conservative 😅

I love e-bikes in general, but there is no off the shelf e-bike that I’ve been super excited about. This one might change that. Great video. Can’t wait to see what you do next with it!

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

great to hear that, Mark! Hope you are well.

@SquareWheelMedia

3 ай бұрын

Hope you have better luck getting one than I have. Dealers know nothing about them.

@ryanfrahm9953

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@SquareWheelMedia I was so excited about this that I just ordered it. Went through REI and they knew nothing about it either. I picked it up and rode it 12 miles home from there. It’s an awesome bike! So far it is an absolute blast to ride and my daughter is loving sitting on the back instead of the trailer she’s been it for the last 4 years!

Love that you are aware of children so intimately. Very cool. Appreciate that advice.

Wish I needed a bike like this, amazing!

I have a momentum Pakyak but I am SO EXCITED for this. Absolutely love bosch motors and fatty bikes. Plus those fenders are awesome

Things I do like, has big, but not crazy big tires and wheels. Has fenders. Like the kickstand. Has a mid drive motor. Has two burly batteries in the right places. Like the integrated lights. Would prefer if they just gave me hookups so I could plug my own light choice in. Offered their light choices as an option. Like that front rack, very Paris-Dakar. Style is important. Would like some color choices.

Absolutely stoked!

Excellent review…I think this is one of those “Love At First Sight” bikes…Tern’s got a winner here that’s bound to “Tern” a lot of heads…Get it!!!

Oh man this is stupendous. I just bought the R&M Multicharger, which is awesome, but this thing is so burly! Like the no shock, love the 29" wheel option. I have lust in my heart.

@rngrant

3 ай бұрын

I am really trying to decide between the Orox and the Multicharger. Of course no shops in my area carry either bike for me to try. You loving the multicharger so far?

This is what I’ve been looking for since last year.

Sooooo Jealous you get to ride great bikes and accessories from Tern. My Quickhaul was ordered with 500Wh battery because I just like to go where I want. It isn't hard to manage range anxiety but with the Orox it wouldn't even be a thought. I use my bike for almost everything I can and some things are a compromise but this Orox goes a big step further. Thanks Arleigh for showcasing this from your personal perspective. It is the best video of this bike I've seen.

I love the color match on those RandiJo bags. Everything I have from them is fantastic. I doubt it'll replace my GSD for day to day kid-hauling, but I can imagine going to some amazing places on this one. I'll have to pick one up after I finish saving for my Flaanimal.

Excellent review, very informative for adventurous parents 😊

This thing looks great. I can imagine some amazing adventures with the family on a pair of these

Love this bike!! Its so different then any thing out there. I would like to see you do some off road night riding-!!

Simply put, I'm in love.

The possibilities are limitless! I cannot wait to see what it is capable of. I see SO many possibilities for me(and my wife...)

This thing looks like a monster in the best of ways 😮

Could you break down which accessories are compatible with this bike in a future video? Most interested in kids accessories and how much of the storm shield stuff transfers

I like, but am also worried about the length. We purchased and mounted the most burly e-bike oriented Kuat bike rack designed for ebikes. My Day 6 still seems too long for the rack. Being able to move the bike to the riding destination might be a problem?

Considering the things our family does and has attempted to do with our Yuba Spicy Curry (non-all terrain!)... this bike may just be the next family wagon!

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

ha, I'm right there with you 😂

Looks most like the Salsa Blackborow (edition 2) using same wheel size and other features. Really excited for this bike as well.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

It also reminds me of what the Blackborrow could have been! I wish they would have made it compatible to carry kids/cargo better. The salsa rides so good!

@MrQuestful

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirlit was my thought as well, very reminiscent of that size. I’m super psyched about this bike, I was contemplating building up a custom Blackborow-esque bike, but this fits the bill.

Thanks for sharing this. The video clips themselves are amazing. Sadly, the narration is very difficult to stay with.

What I was hoping someone would design: An all terrain e-cargo bike BDR cargo traveling 😁

Could you do the Tour Divide with it?

🤩🤩

Do you still work for Tern? This bike looks epic, can’t wait to ride one.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Some freelance dealer training help 🙌

I’m curious about the pros and cons of the Orox vs the GSD? Which one would be better for whom and why. Etc.

I would also want a little cushier saddle option as well as a topeak bag option. I can do them for myself, but for $7K, I think the manufacturer could find a way to help me out.

This ticks all of my desires but I'm disappointed in the 20mph max. Give me class 3 and I'll take one with the 29" wheels.

i'd love to see a comparison of Orox, a GSD, a bakfiet and a trike like the ICE Full Fat or AZUB ti-flu x. I'm over 50 and want to bikepack as well as get groceries in the most comfortable manner possible. I'm considering all of these and it needs to be a car replacement that can trail ride on weekends.

@BikeShopGirl

3 ай бұрын

I don’t have access in the US to the last 2 models you mentioned. The orox is a LOT of bike. I would recommend looking between the GSD and HSD for a car trip replacement for groceries and some light off roading.

How little psi could you run the tyres with a total weight of 200kg?

That's no longer a SUV equivalent of a bike - this is seems like a kind of Pick-up.

Suomi mainittu! Torille! 🇫🇮

My only quibble is that it should have headtube rack mounting points for a rack that doesn't turn with the front wheel. They've become pretty standard on cargo bikes and this one should definitely have them. Otherwise, this is the cargo ebike I didn't know I wanted.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

I also wish the head tube could take the other tern front racks like the transporteur or hauler

@TonyTapay

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl I keep thinking of trail maintenance and how it would be cool if this frame was suspension corrected so you could run a fat bike suspension fork. Headtube mounted racks would be especially useful for that situation.

Is the Storm Box compatible with Orox?

The lack of suspension seemed weird at first but I suppose if it's meant for low speed applications then the reduced maintenance is probably worth the payoffs (plus the fat tires)

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

4" of suspension built in :)

👍👍👍

Keen to hear more about the belt drive and gearbox model - chains & derailleurs are so fragile and high maintenance, and when touring or trekking, essential to get back home - minor damage can be a major hassle... and the chain cleaning and oiling...? nobody wants to do that at the end of a long day riding...

What accessory were you using to strap in and carry the logs?

@BikeShopGirl

3 ай бұрын

The metal decking is called the Stow Deck & the strap is the Tern Batten Strap.

The fat bike is really very nice. I would be interested to know how to change a tire. Especially the rear tire? What should I watch out for if I get a flat tire in the middle of the forest, etc.?

@BikeShopGirl

3 ай бұрын

are you using the cache box? If not, it that location

Does the S12 have UDH (universal derailleur hanger)?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Hmm I don’t believe so looking at it. I’ve asked!

Would prefer a bike more attuned to long range touring. With the same cargo capacity but designed more towards efficiency.

@1Revelations117

5 ай бұрын

Is this not the GSD?

Does it come with studded tires? How does it handle on snow or ice?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

You can run studded! Super long wheelbase should make it pretty stable.

On attends ce nouveau Tern avec impatience. Le GSD avait des roues trop petites qui rendait le confort parfois rudimentaire. Question : est il toujours possible de le faire tenir droit debout comme le cargo GSD ? c'est très pratique quand on habite en ville pour le monter dans l'ascenseur ou bien le stocker dans un coin sans qu'il ne tienne de place.

@guityss

5 ай бұрын

Hello, petite question qui n'a rien à voir avec l'Orox : malgré son poids, est-il facile à mettre debout dans l'ascenseur ton GSD ?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Yes, still has vertical!

@damFr

5 ай бұрын

@@guityss oui très facile quand on a la technique : se mettre à côté du vélo dans le sens de la marche et prendre fermement le guidon par les 2 mains. Ensuite freiner du frein arrière. Puis marcher en reculant : le Tern va se lever tout seul sur la roue arrière qui freine. Et voilà!

@damFr

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirlthanks, you mention it at 4:35 😊

@guityss

4 ай бұрын

@@damFr Merci !

Does it have front suspension?

I really get that this is a whole lotta bike for a whole lotta different use cases which can be really cool. At the same time, I'd like to see more options allowing flex in one direction away from others. For example, I would never ride this bike on a trail. Mostly on streets and maybe some gravel. Some saddle and handle bar options that would allow the bike to flex back to a customer like me would be nice.

@basausi

4 ай бұрын

It appears that the Orox doesn’t use proprietary design handlebar so a modification with a swept back handlebar is an option!

@hemaccabe4292

4 ай бұрын

@@basausi Good to hear. However, this is already a very expensive bike, so I want the manufacturer to offer these options.

Like the range but I bet it would be heavy to lift onto a train. I can get the HSD on the train.

Curious about the charging time for a fully depleted battery. I love the possibility of 200 mile range running both batteries, but question the necessary downtime for recharging both. The bike looks dreamy 😍

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

it takes a long while! Bosch's website says 6 for 725 and 6.9 for 800Wh using a 4A charger. www.bosch-ebike.com/us/products/batteries

@Bunny-Power

4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately they don't have the 6A charger for the smart system yet. Just carry two more batteries and 4 chargers - you'll be riding in Turbo forever 😂

Not sure, I have vectron and i would love to have something that was more trail worthy, but seeing how big and heavy this gets im not so sure, I would like to know how it rides uphill on a muddy trail with stack of logs and camping gear as per the pictures, my feeling is it could quickly overwhelm the rider and become unwieldy.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

I love the Vektron so much. If I could only have one e-bike, it would be the Vektron.

Two questions: (1) 1,600 Watt-Hours sounds great, but what's the actual range, you found, for the Tern Orox, minimally and fully loaded, for both single and dual-battery setup ? (2) Can one switch between single and dual battery use on a whim ? I would love to ride long-distance on an off-road ebike.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

I don’t have access yet to 2x800wh. I only have the stock 725 and a 545 from another bike. I can update for the 725 on and off road range soon!

@user-lb8ti6fc9z

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl ich denke aus Erfahrung mit 3x500er mit Anhänger 180-200kg ca.100-120km aber das ist stark Gelände abhängig .

Can I charge up both batteries with one plug or do I need to charge them seperately?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

all Bosch bikes with dual batteries are charged with one plug when they are on the bike. If you have the batteries off the bike you'll need to charge them separately

@hemaccabe4292

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl That's really good!

9k !!! Flippin Eck! I'm gonna have to pass on that one. We're in a recession!

@YerDad632

5 ай бұрын

Yeah. It’s a high quality car replacer. Life is too short for cheap e-bikes.

I gotta ask, what part of England? (You don't have to be too overly specific, I'm just curious as I live here.)

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

It’s Luke from Avon!

What bike rack can you use with such a beast? Certainly, not a roof rack, but what about a trailer hitch reack?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

It isn't unique to this bike but cargo bikes in general. There are some cargo bike specific ones, and I also picture folks using moto hitch ramps

I think that when surly discontinued the big dummy, they left a gap in the market.

How is this bike without the front suspension? That concerns me a bit

Can anyone share advice on an R14 Orox vs GSD R14. I live in San Francisco and am debating between these two. I would love to go off road for the sake of not dealing with other cars and even though it’s the city, there are nice routes along the coast and in Golden Gate Park that I’m not sure if a GSD would handle all that. By the way I have 2.5year old who’s gotten a taste for riding along and I think he would love this. Thanks for any future insight.

@BikeShopGirl

7 күн бұрын

Anything I’m riding with my young kids I can do on the GSD. The orox would make it easier but I’m not riding anything crazy with my kids on board. Have you visited the new wheel for their advice?

@chiefchente

6 күн бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl thanks for the reply. I’ve been fortunate to meet with Logan at new wheels. Very knowledgeable and kind when he took me and my family to test ride the GSD, HSD, and quikhaul. At the moment I did not consider the orox. I started considering due: to pricing being closely match with GSD r14 and orox r14. The fact I live 15 blocks from ocean beach and the idea crossed my mind if I could ride in the beach to be away from all the cars (not that I would want to do anything to crazy either with my little one in the back), and lastly because I like the tech feature the orox has, similar to the HSD which I wish the GSD had as well.

While I really like the concept, what's Tern's rationale of not adding a suspension? Do you find it too bumpy with a ridgid frame?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Built in suspension with those tires

@djionut123

5 ай бұрын

I ride a 30kg emtb with a 100mm of front travel on 29 x 2.2 tires. Swapping that out for a rigid one, and doubling the tire size doesn't seem like for like....but ok I'm trying to understand the logic here

Yeah, I’ll reserve the Invanti Tornado Pro and save $5,000, thank you very much!

@BikeShopGirl

Ай бұрын

Fingers crossed the indiegogo is a success 🙌

@mcraven747

Ай бұрын

Touché!

Super interested and nearly sold, but I got a question. Why Performance CX and not Cargo line? Cargo line has more power available according to Bosch. I have not had the opportunity to experience the difference but it does seem odd that the GSD is sold with 400% assistance for Cargo line vs 340% for Performance CX. Whats up with that? 60% decrease from GSD and weighs more?

@BikeShopGirl

3 ай бұрын

Hey there - both have 85Nm :) This is the new Smart System Performance CX, not the Bosch Ebike System 2.

@vlady8me

3 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl Smart system or not Bosch is advertising 400% assistance for smart system cargo line vs. 340 for performance cx. its not just about the torque. The bike is still sold as a cargo bike so I find it confusing to push the MTB motor.

@wimvanlent551

3 ай бұрын

@@vlady8me, CX is a little lighter and 'reads' the terrain/ adjusts better than the cargo so should give you more of a bike-experience and less of a moped feel.

How does the center of gravity feel when you have kids and cargo on it? That is the best part of the 20" wheels is thay center of gravity is so low even with kids and cargo.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Towards the middle/end I talk about handling 🙌

@letsgoOs1002

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl more of wondering for a comparison to like the gsd.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

@@letsgoOs1002ah, I wouldn't compare this bike to a GSD for passenger carrying ease. Passengers are 7-10" higher and the tires/pressure really impact handling and steering. This bike is going to require a very capable rider.

@letsgoOs1002

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl cool. Seems like a ton of fun bike

Is that a play on Aurochs?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Yes!

This bike is in direct competition with "hunting bikes like Bakcou, Rambo, Rungu and Warthog...so why no suspension? How would it fair against those?...or a longtail Surly or Yuba?

@BikeShopGirl

3 ай бұрын

This is the only one that has been tested to carry passengers off road :)

Looks cool, but why not just get a motorbike or fast electric bike at this point? I wish Tern would make non-ebikes for travel again.

Didn’t surly do this years ago with the big dummy?

@BikeShopGirl

3 ай бұрын

the big easy is pretty close, but not nearly as burly.

What is the total lenght?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

M - 2140mm L - 2185mm

Ich finde das bike top aber ich würde eine andere Nabenschaltung bevorzugen (MGU oder 3x3nine) aber sonst top

It's missing a frame mounted front rack. I don't get why they are so rare. More space. Bit more balanced weight distribution. No influence on steering.

Can you connect a trailer to this?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Yep! There are mounts on the side for common trailers

I would have bought this bike instead of the Tern Quick Haul. Wait… maybe. What was the price? Anyway, it would be the perfect bike for a teacher who hauls stuff to school everyday, but also lives just below the arctic circle where there is snow on the ground 6 months out of the year, and also likes to go camping in the winter and summer time, and also likes to fat bike but is getting kinda old. Again, if it is affordable.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

😂 thanks for the chuckle.

The 29' models seem to the more versatile... but only the "fat" versions will be available in France ( 😡 ) Otherwise, Orox is, in my opinion and according to characteristics sheet, the best longtail ebike. As a cargo bike, it remains not as practical as long john models. Comparative with R&M Load, on logging roads, could be very interesting.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Most regions are only getting 27.5 as the full bike and 29 as the upgrade.

This bike is a lil over 7 feet long and just a few inches shorter than Victor Wembanyama if he was laying down on the ground.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

I had to google "Victor Wembanyama" 😂

As nice as this bike is , it's a pity they didn't use the german Sachs/BMZ motor that has 112 Nm. the motor was specifically built to handle heavy loads without over heating .

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

As someone in the US, I don't think that is available here and certainly haven't seen any service partners here.

I love the idea of this bike, but in the UK, it’s £8500! I’m sorry, but nothing can justify that for a general hauler

I am very impressed. I'm also very aware of a lack of suspension. Needs front and back. Back needs to be double side springs. I would also want a throttle which I know this system won't give.

@YerDad632

5 ай бұрын

You’d be surprised. Full suspension isn’t the only way to head out in the woods.

@hemaccabe4292

5 ай бұрын

@@YerDad632 No, but it makes you more stable everywhere and more comfortable especially when we start dealing with bikes this heavy. Also, with most cargo bikes going in the $2K area these days and ALL of those figuring out how to do front suspension and some doing rear, a $7K bike that has none? The absence is puzzling.

@ccederlo

4 ай бұрын

​@@hemaccabe4292 oh, which cargo bikes have rear suspension?

@hemaccabe4292

4 ай бұрын

@@ccederlo Sorry, don't have a catalog but I watch a lot of videos. There are quite a few models. You want $7K for a cargo e-bike? You should be very familiar with dual rear coil overs.

The price 😮

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Ha! I thought the same and then I looked at what sport mountain bikes without electric assist go for 🫠

@djionut123

5 ай бұрын

Is there a ballpark in Euro for the non belt drive?

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

@@djionut123 Orox pricing starts at $6,499 / €6,799 / £5,900

@Bunny-Power

4 ай бұрын

What's wrong with the price? It's the same as two months of rent but lasts way longer.

Well shoot Arleigh, where was this a year ago? Can I trade my GSD in for this? 😂😭

@scottk4100

5 ай бұрын

I had a similar thought! Still making payments on my GSD (that I absolutely love) but the Orox seems to have been designed just for me.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

I think the GSD is a great bike for you!

This looks like such a no-brainer, until you see the price. Tern is banking on hitting the holy grail sweet-spot with this bike, and they are banking that consumers will pay for it. Sadly, I won't. Like so many, many, many other people, I will resort to buying a much cheaper bike, and living with the shortcomings. The Specialized Globe Haul LT gets kinda close to this level of utility (minus the off-road abilities), and it does so for nearly half the cost. The Tern Orox is to cargo bikes what the Bugatti Veyron is to supercars - technically great, but priced above the normal user, especially in the U.S. Sad.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

I would say it’s more like a Volvo and the US is still focused on buying used Kia?

I am extremely disappointed in Tern electric bike. I own a Tern vektron D7i. I rarely used it and still look brand new (4 yo). The battery (Bafang M400 drive) no longer works. I reached out to local dealers and was informed they can’t get a hold of that battery. I reached out to Tern themselves, spoke with Josh and was informed they no longer contract with that battery company. He told me i have to change out the whole battery system for over $900 plus cost to have tech install it. The bike was not cheap to begin with and a short 4 years later i am slap with this high cost. Ridiculous! I was desperate and agreed to buy the system. He said he will have to get back to me. I did not get the response yet. Will not buy tern product again. Update: Tern responded and offer to sell the battery package for $750. I think i am just going to toss it.

$7k and $9k is so wildly unrealistic for anyone, esp when you can literally build a better ebike. Dazzz bonkers, man.

Sadly, the 29x2.7 wheels is not an option but an expensive accessory...

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

in some places (Germany) it is the setup!

Looks very pricey.

@Bunny-Power

4 ай бұрын

It's not a Himiway or Cyrusher. You get what you pay for.

“Who is this bike for?”. Brain surgeons or Dentists would fit best.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

Because of the price?

@mountaincruiser817

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl indeed, don't know if this is without or with all the accessories but 6.5 or 9 grand is steep for most of us for a bike. (at least for me it is). Luckily there's more out there thats fitted my budget.

@Bunny-Power

4 ай бұрын

It costs the same as two months of rent. And there's not only dentists in my neighborhood 😂

this is an ad

Running it 29x3 will speed up the steering (a lot). Still have the “suspension” but bike behaves “normal “ compared to a fat

God help you if that bosch CX mid drive ever fails. It'll be weeks if not months before you have a working bike again.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

At least there is service for Bosch in most countries

@tjts1

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl not in the USA. Your local bike shop will have to remove the motor, box it up and ship it to an authorized repair facility, then they call you back with the repair estimate. Once you approve the work you get 2 separate bills for the bike shop and the bosch repair, then it's shipped back and reinstalled. Have fun waiting.

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

@@tjts1 I’m in the US and a Bosch mechanic/shop. It depends what is wrong, what level Bosch dealer you are working with, and how far your dealer is from the service center. Working with other e-bike systems it’s like wild Wild West of trying to get service work done, if anything gets done. What did you have happen to yours?

@tjts1

5 ай бұрын

@@BikeShopGirl that's reassuring when you're 100 miles away from home and all your possessions are attached to the bike 🙄

@BikeShopGirl

5 ай бұрын

@@tjts1 I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying this because it’s electric or that you don’t like Bosch?

Great ebike and good spec really is a go anywhere ebike but the price is over $8000 that is way to much I know it's got a really good motor and big battery now don't get me wrong I love ebikes mine has changed my life but for the same price you could get 2 new entry level adventure motorcycle or 1 very good one now I know motorcycle are a different thing but a motorbike has alot more parts and takes more time to bilud so I think the price is crazy but that said I do think it is a very good ebike just a shame it's out of reach of alot of people 🚵⚡✌👍