You will be surprised at how many home owners have no idea that they have so many electronics and home-generator, but no UPS for their internet gear, their HDTV, their desktop computers, appliances with clocks, etc. There is a market for a central battery-backup (UPS) for homes with generators especially for that loss of time/power till the generator is up to power. Even if the UPS gives 20-30mins of power, it should also provide true-sine wave clean power filtering, which benefits all electronics.

@jeffrydiamond

Жыл бұрын

There's definitely a market for home UPSs, but that kind of gear (even the term) is very *insider* to IT. Most homeowners probably think of generators first, and battery backup being a solar only thing.

@danielpeters4994

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if a ups is would save much money compared to a generator and automatic transfer switch. Maybe for customers with the money but I can’t see installing one for 99% of homes

@TheDrew2022

Жыл бұрын

@@danielpeters4994 UPS isn't a genset replacement. Think of a UPS as a way to ride out a short 5-10min outage, or long enough for the genset to kick in without losing power.

@sergeyblinov4957

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDrew2022, IMHO, UPS can be a genset replacement for city apartments. And, of course, for IT specialist's remote job or similar job. Where UPS and relatively big battery bank (for 1-4 hours autonomy) will be payed by job's income.

@TheDrew2022

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeyblinov4957 I agree totally for IT specialist applications. I work with UPS units in IT situations every day and have sized them numerous times based on loads and projected power loss durations. That was also getting into decisions around line interactive vs double conversion UPS units (mostly double conversion because the power sources were iffy). Think the biggest unit we built was a 1500VA unit, double conversion, but we maxed the battery bank count as we needed obscene runtime. Maybe 30% loaded at most (yes not efficient but could find smaller that did double conversion at the time), but long run times, and no opportunity to install a genset Not so sure for an apartment genset replacement unless you put a bunch around the place for smaller loads. Running appliances inc. an A/C on a UPS will drain batteries stupidly fast unless you spend a crap ton of money on a large kVA unit with some serious battery banks.

Funfact Schneider Electric owns APC, which is one of the big names in UPSes in the IT space. Interesting to see they are pushing bigger under the Schneider Electric moniker.

I’ve been a fan of Square D for many years. Did many ups/generator installs for large projects commercially. It was always a challenge but rewarding job. Hardest part was installing all those battery cabinets and batteries. Thanks for the products review and enjoyed your videos 👍

Another use for UPS setups is to act as a bridge to cover the generator startup time. Power goes out, UPS takes over and generator starts up. Once the generator is at speed, switch from the UPS to the generator. Don't need as many batteries. (CSBF does this for their mission control building, I would imagine other NASA facilities are similar.)

Hey, Dustin. I really liked the format of this video. In particular when you cut back to your home bench to explain what you saw and why it was important and to explain what was being discussed at the show.

SOMEday ima go to one of those insider deals, really GREAT shop talk with those peeps

The Schneider boxes remind me of what we have onboard in MSC.

Thank you so much! Please talk more about generators and maybe some common faults on them.

Excellent video!

regarding the ups would you need to bond the metallic case/cabinet as it's extraneous?

In 32 years of working in this trade I have never installed a UPS system like this so I appreciate the insight. As for the QO meter/ main it looks great but will the POCO where I work accept this as service equipment? My hunch says NO but what do I know? I'll have to check on that. The QO interlock kit for PGW is probably the highest quality I've ever installed. Good video!

I have used many of these in computer systems and all PBX and central office telecommunication have these, for exactly what you stated. Back up, and CLEAN PIZZA, I MEAN POWER

@TylerBoespflug

Жыл бұрын

Now I'm hungry.

@rogerpenske2411

Жыл бұрын

@@TylerBoespflug Sometimes ya gotta let word predict just roll

Questions: How do you deal with extremely cheap bosses? I was an electrician and I know code. However, I am now doing commercial building maintenance. Often the response i get from management and owner is just get the job done. Okay, so I make hourly and im not in control of the budget. My manager has a background in plumbing. We do plumbing, Hvac, electrical and construction. So, example we had a hot box for food go out. It was not heating. Disassembled found a short circuit from neutral to ground with 4 wires burned up. Again im told. Just use whats in the maintenance office to get it fixed. All we have is green 14 guage wire and wire nuts. So I re wire it using that. But maybe I should have used 12 guage white for neutral and also heat resistant wire nuts and insulation was old. Should have replaced but didn't. I got the unit running. However, a few bucks would have completed the job up to code and not some redneck rigging. Which isn't a problem unless it catches fire 🔥 and the fire Marshall asked who did this shotty work. Well not me. Im just an hourly employee with zero budget control. But the whole building is done this way. Mis matched wires blacks for ground. Greens for neutrals red wire for ground. This is commercial property a hotel were people sleep. Like how do you tell your boss slash owner. This is wrong and a fire hazard to not do electrical work 100 percent right. Which requires going to a store and buying proper materials and not just whatever is around the shop. As maintenance the goal is to save money save a service call. But we wire up exit lights, lamps, Ballard's, pool equipment, hvac units. With the mind set of just slap a band-aid on it until it actually breaks.

Thanks for sharing

Where I use to work all our servers were on UPS devices but it was set up to shut down as soon as the power switches over because we only gave them enough batteries to run for about 10 minutes.

I saw these UPS’s at a Microsoft data center we installed.

Would this new all in one be suitable for a multimeter install or is there a better option?

I use a inverter chargers for a UPS in my camper and my apartment

Is this just for smaller electronics or will this run most of your house? Where do these normally sit? And how can a firefight safely shut this down when trying to control utilities at a home?

So when a home has that new meter main, and they decide that they want a whole home backup storage system installed, it is going to need to be fed from the meter. The ats will become the first means of disconnect, and come from meter to main inside the ats. That is the case in all battery systems I have worked with in a whole home storage application. I wonder if it's possible to move those load side lines from the meter to another box, then back to the main in the combo. Otherwise, it would be impossible to back up whatever circuits ever go into that combo busbar.

VA or Volts times amps *is* watts for either DC or AC that has a power factor of 1.0 ( a purely restive load ). If the load is capacitive or inductive, then it will have a lower power factor and so the wattage will be less than VA. The circuit breaker cares about the amps, but how much fuel your generator burns ( or how long your battery lasts ) depends on the watts. The UPS can only put out so many amps though even if your load has a lower power factor, so that's why they rate its maximum instantaneous output in VA.

@TheDrew2022

Жыл бұрын

I always look at the two ratings when buying as most UPS units (at least in datacom) will alarm if you exceed the wattage. Nothing more frustrating then buying a 3000VA UPS the vendor (APC) is assuming a .65 power factor so is only 2100 watts or so. And not all vendors use the same power factor assumption, some good ones (Liebert) assume much higher factors so a 3000VA unit is rated for 2500/2600/2700 watts.

Anyone here recommend a whole house switching neutral transfer switch and connector for a 25kw PTO generator with a 200 amp breaker? Mainly a brand not necessarily specific specs. Can’t decide if I’m better off to use individual cables and cam locks or one of those boat type high dollar waterproof deals

I wonder how the UPS stands up to the apc units we currently use

@larryhendrickson8446

Жыл бұрын

Square D owns APC

@brad885

Жыл бұрын

@@larryhendrickson8446 did not know that. Probably engineered by the same people then. Looks like a neat unit though. Would be nice to not need a rack/twist-lock for it.

Do you have any reviews of the books you own on your channel? I see a chemistry book behind you. Why do you have it on display? Did it further your understanding of electricity/electronics?

Do you think you could use this for temp power for a site. Like maybe first day of a rough. Could save a lot of time, setting up temp the conventional way can be a Bitch sometimes. 🤔🤔

There should be a maintence bypass switch on the wall- not on the machine. When the ups inverter stops working in a few years, there are no parts available and better ones out there. Direct wired mesns you shut it down to fix it. Not very uniterruptible. Nuclear plant background.

A ups can also turn off computer by proper shut down when it's almost out of power

Are there any venting requirements for giant lead acid battery UPS's like this? Are these safe to keep in an interior closet ?

@MrChrisjharris23

Жыл бұрын

I've seen some units in "big closets" they add a small AC unit in them to keep the right temperature and humidity. Also as long as you can access the back of the unit for maintenance you should be fine.

@TheDrew2022

Жыл бұрын

Most units use sealed lead acid batteries or lithium so no fumes to worry about.

@sergeyblinov4957

Жыл бұрын

Generally, there is no strict venting requirements (air refreshing in UPS room) for VRLA batteries, untill you keep battery's temperature within battery's specification. Recommended to keep temperature close to comfortable 68F (20C) degree. It is relatively easy for external battery bank, but much harder for internal UPS batteries (batteries, installed in UPS's internal battery compartment). But doors to this room must not be air tight. All this are fine for normal operation. But things changes, if aged battery suffers thermal runaway, when some 12 V blocks will heat and produce sulfuric acid decomposition. This can be prevented by regular maintenance and battery check. But, for small and tight rooms - I'll recommended to install exhaust fan and fire detection system. It will be nice, if anyone develop a hot battery detection system, based on infrared cameras for large UPS systems. Especially, with external battery banks.

@TheDrew2022

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeyblinov4957 We had one failure where a bank of sealed lead acid batteries wasn't charging properly. One battery in the bank wouldn't charge so the UPS kept dumping energy into the bank to try and charge it. When I got the alarm call to investigate, the UPS had shut down on thermal overload, and I burnt my hand when I touched the bank. Testament to the SLA batteries APC uses that none burst, but we had to replace the entire battery cabinet as they'd swollen so bad we couldn't extract the batteries.

@sergeyblinov4957

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDrew2022, I had several similar battery failures in our office small 1000 VA UPS. This is often caused by permanently increased battery temperature inside UPS's case. Batteries suffers inscreased water loss and positive plates corrosion, and, as a sum - thermal runaway with deformation of battery plastic cases. We called it: "batteries become Winnie-the-Poohs"

KVA rating is volts and amps out of phase, KW rating it in phase power.

@smartelectric2526

Жыл бұрын

@ElectriciaU Why are you scamming people pretending to be ElectricianU?

Any 2 phase UPC's for home services??? I'm honestly ready for something just like those but for the regular homeowner. :)

@peehandshihtzu

Жыл бұрын

@@JorgTheElder Yeah I think so, whatever it would be called.

@TheDrew2022

Жыл бұрын

Split-phase 120/240 you mean? Yeah. Lot's of options, and if you want to a whole home unit, there's battery systems by companies like Tesla that could make a good whole home UPS. Still need a genset if you want longer then a few minutes runtime.

@peehandshihtzu

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDrew2022 Thanks for the info. :)

When your talking pls lower the volume of the music

That Square D Rap really just wanted to sell you on some panels... like he was being a complete salesman.

Type C breakers

Ugh lead acid. Why not LiFePo4 at this point

I have to ask how is your kid doing? its been some time. how does he like the trade?

@jonathanhughes380

Жыл бұрын

@ElectriciaU why are you righting to me as if you just learned English you must be trying to spam people the only language that uses ë with the 2 dots is German and Hungarian words. This sounds like a Spammer.

@ElectricianU

Жыл бұрын

Please note. The REAL Electrician U will never ask you to contact us in this way. This is Spam/Fishing that we work hard to keep off the channel however sometimes it takes a while to filter them out. Thanks for watching.

All that money for a squareD panel and they can even put the labels on straight?

Lead Acid batteries, really?

LEAD ACID?!? You need to go lifopo4 it’s a lithium based battery with 10+ year lifetime. When you price out over the life time it is way cheaper

@tiggeroush

Жыл бұрын

I have seen lead acid batteries reconditioned with Epson salt that were 20 years old and working just fine. How long they will last is still unknown if taken care of and reconditioned instead of replaced.

There's a hamster in your pocket!

Are itsso important, when you speak about emergency, and say “fireman”, take a pause and add “firewoman”? Or “fireman” should mean a profession?

Schneider lead acid batteries are problematic, upgrade to the 21st century LiFePO4 What's the biggest problem with the UPS the continuous charging cooks the lead acid batteries. We used APC-1000 with two extra battery boxes for radio sites and had to continuously replace batteries. Perhaps the battery manufacturers are making money selling batteries get with the program people new battery chemistry is far superior.

@phillipsusi1791

Жыл бұрын

You don't need to replace them, you just need to top off the distilled water every few months and give them an equalization charge every 6-12 months. When properly maintained, flooded lead acid batteries can last for 10 years or more. The problem is that at least with the smaller APC units, they use sealed gel batteries so you can't maintain them, and they maintain a constant float charge at maximum voltage which boils off the water. Previous generations of schneider hybrid inverter/chargers that I have looked at knew not to maintain a maximum voltage float charge on the battery and had an option to perform an equalization charge.

Guy says plug n pay lmfao

Lead acid batteries? Pfft! Like the 90's? Come on Schneider.

Bottom left of a Square D sub-panel! If you know you know….smfh 🤬

wtf has this channel turned into

@LogenNineFingers43

Жыл бұрын

what do you mean by that

@shelvins1841

Жыл бұрын

He means all the squareD and Klein ads

Getting so, don't need - "Training/education" to be a "Sparky", just "PLUG & PLAY" no "AS-BUILT", even a "Monkey" can be a "ELECTRICIAN".

On today's episode of always shilling for Square-D....