try using more simplify over smoothing (before and after the meshing) it'll keep the corners better but keep the flat areas cleaner :) I've found smoothing the point cloud gives those weird edges love the channel!

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tips! I will give all that a shot next time I played with it.

@digital0785

10 ай бұрын

Np you've helped me enough with your videos least I can do is give tips back where I have them lol

This channel opens the door for any engineer trying to understand everything about design by providing the right way to deliver information not the short way and by breaking the barriers of the hardest design challenges from freeform modelling to API programming and reverse engineering. After almost one year of watching every video and following every project you made here, finally I started to think inside fusion to develop my ideas much faster with a first time right approach. I swear to God you are making history here. Thanks for all the time and effort

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Wow thank you for the kind words!

I grabbed one as well. Waiting for mine to ship. Thanks for the killer content.

Best review i see this scanner, thanks!

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

Ай бұрын

Wow, thanks! We plan to use it in some upcoming videos.

this video is gold. I just got an inspire. It helped me a lot

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

3 ай бұрын

Awesome! We will be doing some more revopoint content soon so stay tuned!

Outstanding review. Thanks for making this video; very helpful!

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I want to see the same part scanned with the mini and compare the edges and holes to see the difference. Don't bother with any figure or fender. Small part for reverse engineering. Thanks!

Great video! That was very informative for me just starting the 3D scanner journey ☺☺

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! I do have several other videos/series on scanning/design off scan data using some Einscan software and products if you are looking for more content in that area.

Hi Matt! excellent thorough explanation. Quick question: when cleaning the scan is there an option to use the markers on the turntable to create a cutting plane in order to cut out anything below the object? einscan has that option. TIA

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Luis, the answer is "sort of". There is a check box option for removing surfaces. that is meant to auto trim out a plane. The turntable doesn't actually have markers on it so i used a small mat with markers applied which kind of sags as its larger than the turntable. With that you get a lot of noise that isn't flat so the software doesn't treat it as a plane. If you were to just scan sitting on a desk it would be able to remove that automatically.

Def. would be interested in your workflow for the Range and larger parts / fenders / engine bay etc.

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

I will see if I can't make that happen!

@drftsub

10 ай бұрын

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign After reading your comment below about the Einstar , do you think its superior to the Range? I have struggled with tracking on my pop 2, and have been pondering a range but maybe selling the pop 2 and moving to Einstar is better? the Range seems better for larger parts but not sure.

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

7 ай бұрын

sorry i missed this comment. for some reason replies to comments don't show up as "new" and sometimes get missed.... One thing to consider is that the einstar is the low end scanner for Shining. They started and focus on higher end professional scanners and offered the Einstar as an entry point. This means their software is a bit better and offers different options that Revo and others don't. Things like Hybrid tracking where you can use some marker dots. That being said i think the sensors in the Inspire and range are very similar, but i haven't used the Range. Tracking is very dependent on the prep on the surface, the features (or markers) that you use. Adding bits of crumpled tape, clay, or tissue to spots helps with alignment because they are unique. Things with repeated features are the worst and cause confusion. I have noticed over the past month or two that updates to revoscan have improved the tracking so maybe you will see some benefit there, but the Pop series are meant for smaller/mid size objects. I would also say to try RGB mode as it helps with tracking complex objects that have color/texture. I hope to do a back to back between the Miraco and Einstar in the near future as i think the Einstar is likely to be slightly faster but the Miraco has the sensors of the mini and range in a portable unit and offers a few key benefits like being able to undo a few frames mid scan. switching between near and far mode, and reviewing each frame of the scan in RevoScan. With the Pop you are kind of in the middle of the other offerings which is tricky..... Also if i ever don't reply to a comment in a few days don't hesitate to reply again or send me an email. sometimes they slip through...

Thanks for the video! I have pop2 & mini, so obviously the inspire it self is not needed, but both inspire and pop3 has built in IMU, that is claimed to make tracking better. As I understand it is currently used not for the tracking (i.e. extra tool to calculate scanner movement in space relative to object to raise tracking quality), but just for removing faulty frames caused by shaky hands, so if I use the scanner sitting on the table it seems to be unneeded, so pop2 & pop3 seems to me equal in terms of scan and tracking quality. What do you think about it? Thank you!

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

I think the current place that these scanners need a little improvement is in the feature tracking. marker tracking seemed to be good and I didn't have shaky frame issues, but feature tracking was tricky. If there was a hybrid mode that did feature and marker it might help. And yes the internal IMU seems to be a way to delay and help with shaky frames, but also it seems like it is being used for tracking an object. Similar to how a CMM arm setup uses its base station. I don't know that its accurate enough for true positioning but it can only get better right?

43:45 a deep dive into GOM Inspect (free) for this part would be a great addition to your collection. Sorry if i missed you doing a video on GOM alignment tutorial, i have a couple hours trial-and-error learning and i love-hate this program and its quirks. TIA

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

6 ай бұрын

i'll add it to the list! I know MakingForMotorsport did a video on it with his reverse engineering spindle video.

Hello, thank you for the review of the scanner. Can you do a comparison video of Mini, Inspire and Range for reverse engineering. My question is if I buy Mini will it cover use case for scanning big parts that the Range is designed for or I need to buy 2 scanners? Is it that Mini will pickup more noise and will make the cloud point to big to even process or it still can be adjusted same as Range but with extra option of more fine detail scanning?

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

I will try to work on that in the future but in general the specs of the INSPIRE and the RANGE are similar in terms of accuracy and point distance. I think the big difference is the working distance away from the scanner. The mini has the highest detail that Revopoint offers and is meant to scan small objects while the POP and INSPIRE are meant for medium objects. It will be a trade off but my initial thought is that the mini would be tough to use on large parts. I am hoping to get my hands on the mini and range scanners in the near future and hopfully i can offer up a direct comparison on a few types of parts.

If you have the mini and the range, does this add value as a 3rd for mid-sized parts? Or would you be better off just using the mini or range for those in-between sizes?

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

The Range and Inspire seem to have very close specifications with the main difference being the distance away from the scanner. If it were me I would not buy the Inspire if you have a Mini and a Range. If there was something you needed the Pop3 seems to offer more value, but it probably isn't needed honestly.

@CrashPro1

10 ай бұрын

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Thanks for the input! Price is attractive, and I liked the added sensors they added which seemed like it may help for quick freehand scans... But LED's don't seem to really help with dark parts and not sure the sensors really add much, especially since Range was also made to be used freehand for people and large stuff too.

I wonder if new seal from 3d maker pro is a better option for a small parts like this. Im not shure if their app is as good as revopoint's app

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

The Seal has some impressive specs listed so it will be great to see when it comes out. I think its price point will be higher than the Inspire by a good bit, and maybe closer to something like the Einstar?

Yet another great video...thanks! If you have any pull with Revopoint, can you ask them to please, please, please release a Linux version of RevoScan?? I'm a 100% Linux user, on 5 PCs/SBCs around the house, and I had to set up a dual-boot on one just to support my POP2...ugh!

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Sure thing! I don't have any pull but i have some contacts I can ask and let you know.

@digital0785

10 ай бұрын

unfortunately i don't believe it'll happen any time soon :(

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

I asked, they said they had no plans to adapt to Linux at this time. Sorry.

@imacmill

10 ай бұрын

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Thanks for asking. Ya, I'm sorry, too. Virtually every other app I use has a Linux build. The good news is that I got it working fine through a Win11 virtual machine hosted by my Linux box.

The explanation about scan processing on RevoPoint software i didn't knew i desperately needed.. better than any Revopoint videos.. thanks a lot.. definitely worth the investment for them.. will try redoing some scans with my Range.. Any tips on alternatives for the marker dots? i still havent used any because replacing them in my country is complicated, i was thinking on sticking them on cellotape to be able to reuse them, but have to figure out if the tape reflectivity will have a negative impact on the scan.. I was hoping you'd check the dimensional accuracy in fusion 360 and i would love to see how you go trough scanning a car panel with the Range..

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! The marker dot issue is one that exists for all scanners. and sadly the revo line doesn't currently have a hybrid alignment so its markers or features..... That is one area a scanner like the Einstar shines because it can do a hybrid alignment with a few markers and features. This lets you put things like little clay blobs on your part as unique features to help with alignment and get away with just a few dots. I have seen some users who have placed marker dots on plastic sheets and taped that onto their parts but I haven't personally tried it. I want to do a dimensional accuracy but will be doing that in a future video with a few different scanners hopefully. The Range and Inspire are very similar on paper so I would imagine a big key would be the processing settings in the software as the resolution of the point cloud will be lower than say the pop3 or the mini.

@temporalmadness3756

10 ай бұрын

@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Thanks, i'll let you know when i try the cellotape method. There's someone who made a "tree" for non invasive referencing.. easier linked than explained kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKyrxcyHedHWdc4.html Also, i want to thank you for all your videos, i'm proficient in Blender and poly modeling, but your "long winded" videos helped me understand a little how to "think like an engineer". I just finished designing a turntable around a microwave motor and an axial bearing, both cheap, "off the shelf" items, using Onshape. Will be printing it today. Again, thanks.

@brandonz2

9 ай бұрын

I've used crumpled white paper and white hand towels with great success. Place them around your part and delete those points before you process the scan

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

9 ай бұрын

@@brandonz2 when i first read this i thought it was going to be a joke like tossing it in the trash can :) ill have to try this next time! thanks

@brandonz2

9 ай бұрын

​@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign 🤣 no jokes here! scanners love the texture of towels and crumpled paper has endless unique features

I will like to see a video about Revopoint Range an Revopoint pop 3 greath job, very good

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! I am working on it! I have a few more scanners coming for review and hope in the next month to be able to put together some videos comparing them.

Great video! I appreciate how thorough you were with the whole process

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

I appreciate that! Pricing was released this AM on the scanner and i believe its under $300. While not ideal for small mechanical parts that seems like a good value to get into scanning! thanks for watching.

i have my range revo, your commend buy this too?

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

I would say no. I don't think this would add any value to your lineup if you already have a range scanner. It has the same precision and accuracy numbers as the range from what I can tell.

Tracking is the trouble i had with the pop2. I got the Einstar no comparison. tracking is superior...

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

I would tend to agree that the shining software and the ability to do a hybrid tracking does one up this slightly. Id say the Einstar is at the upper end of the hobby/consumer lineup while this INSPIRE sits lower on that spectrum.

Seems like 3D scanning needs to come a long way before it's worth the money in a consumer application like this. Hopefully the progress is as quick as it has been with 3D printers.

@Todestelzer

8 ай бұрын

Revopoint mini for small stuff, Einscan-SP for medium size stuff and Einstar for medium to big stuff. Well below 10k and affordable for everyone how is serious about his hobby.

I'm surprised how bad the results are.

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

8 ай бұрын

Compared to what? This is a sub $300 scanner. You won't be able to get the same results as a $1000 or $10000 scanner.

"for reverse engineering", can't even pick up a caliper to actually measure a part and compare it to the scan. Every damn youtube video man

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

Well i did an entire series on scanning that part and reverse engineering it so didn't want to repeat that process again. I gave my input on what it can and can't do. If you need fine detail and a hobby scanner this isn't going to get it. the revopoint mini has a higher res and might get you there. But even with an expensive scanner you are still measuring. You can reverse engineering with this thing, but critical details need to be measure. Its only good for general shapes. It did a better job than I thought it would. you can also check out MakingForMotorsport he did a few scan comparo videos and walked through some differences.

All these options makes the model super inaccurate. For mechanical reverse engineering use, its a no go.

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

8 ай бұрын

True, but you aren't using a $300 scanner for precision reverse engineering/metrology. The claim is .2mm accuracy. Even a $50k scanner has its problems with that process. There has never been a part I have 3d scanned that I haven't also put calipers or some sort of measurement to in addition to the scan.

@mrfurrutia

7 ай бұрын

Dude, are you expecting that a $300 scanner is going to let you create detailed models of mechanical components in minutes?..

@iamD2

7 ай бұрын

@@mrfurrutia there shud be tbh, with the tech wich is already around there should be better performance devices. The scanning industrie is slacking in terms of upgrades. They r on a standstill of 5 years already if you did your research. I make better scans with a cheap dslr cam and fuse them manually and be more accurate then revo, Also the tracking is lacking on these scan devices, There is alot of room for improvement. Right now its still in its babysteps. But i wouldnt be surpriced if some tech company would release a reliable device with scan functions upto 1mμ. Ill keep dreaming but it will come for sure.

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

7 ай бұрын

I don't know about getting more accurate with a dslr and photogrammetry. That is not something I would use for reverse engineering. Maybe capturing a room or large object with low detail. The two things we are up against here is 1. Hardware and 2. Software. On the hardware side we have these entry level scanners that are IR Structured light. They are the cheapest, but also the slowest. Most use a usb cable while higher end scanners have HDMI for faster data transfer. The IR setup does do a bit better in daylight and the fact that most have RGB capture is pretty nice. But you kind of see similar trends. The smaller units like the Mini, the makerPro seal, and cr lizard, those have the cameras close together and are made for scanning smaller objects. They capture at around 10fps in a small area and are able to get claims of .01mm to .05mm accuracy. When you jump to a Structure Light scanner, these are more sensitive to light, but generally have a larger scan area and higher capture rate. 15-20fps over an HDMI cable. They generally have higher accuracy and a more dense point cloud meaning they are able to pick up on machined edges better than the hobby options. You are really looking at spending a min of $5000-$8000 for something like that and up to mid 20s. Next we have Laser which are by far the fastest and most accurate. A lot can capture shiny parts without prep and pull in large amounts of data. I think the cheapest Laser option i have seen is the new Freescan from Shining at $17k or so. The HX from them is a bit more. The next bit of the equation is software. This to me is where we see the biggest difference. When you look at all the scanner specs they are very similar. Most of the gap is in the tracking algorithms and mesh processing. Some options like the creality stuff leave you minimal processing options but they have a descent tracking setup. They have added marker tracking recently as well. RevoScan offers a bit more control over the mesh side of things so someone looking for a little more than what Creality has to offer can tweak the raw data more. Really with most hobby scanners you have to go to a 3rd party solution either free, meshlab, or paid, geomagic, to really work with the raw data efficiently and effectively. Shining offers the einstar as their low end/entry scanner which means their software. The revopoint miraco and mini can capture pretty good details, especially for the price. I still wouldn't try and reverse engineer something with out measuring though.

Kickstarter is an instant red flag. Not interested in anything that is going to be unsupported vapor-hardware. Either just sell a product or don't. Don't ask a crowd source to fund it and have it disappear in short order.

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

10 ай бұрын

totally understandable. I backed a 3d printer years ago the M3d, but i think with a company like Revopoint they might be trying to gauge interest. They already have all the bits made and sent out to various people. The packaging, kits, accessories etc its all made. I could be wrong thought. Based on the specs i feel like this is a Range scanner with some tweaks to work on closer up objects.

@khelek100

10 ай бұрын

Its not vaporware if they have created and delivered multiple products.. Im currently looking at two different scanners of theres that work very well for vaporware.

@johnfiott

9 ай бұрын

I usually only buy once I have confirmed it is not their first rodeo. I have backed this because they are established and the price point is decent, but now that I have seen this video it might not be the best match for what I have in mind as the primary use case - scanning small die-cast model car parts (side mirrors, headlamps, tyres and so on to print on my 3d printer). On the plus side thanks to the product I have discovered this channel and it looks like loads of fun and learning lie up ahead.

@LearnEverythingAboutDesign

9 ай бұрын

@@johnfiott Hi John, thanks for the sub! I would agree that the Inspire isn't going to really work well for small diecast parts. The mini seems like a better solution BUT, there is a new scanner coming my way that I will be reviewing and in that video I will try to scan a hotwheels car and see how it works out. Stay tuned for that! Have you come across PNWdiecast customs before? They make 1/64 scale wheels.

@johnfiott

9 ай бұрын

Hi, No I haven't heard of them. I collect mainly 1/24 scale Danbury and Franklin Mint cars myself.. Pity I cannot attach photos here as I would gladly show you what I mean. That said, as a hobbyist I cannot really afford to buy 2 scanners, so I will just have to do the best I can.