Only thing I don't get is the price. This is a tiny stripped out little 4 cyl vehicle, thing should be under $20K.

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

I just saw a 2018 with 80+k miles going for $22k 0_0 ya, vehicle prices are just crazy now.

@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy

Жыл бұрын

@@phiksit A couple years ago, you could buy a brand new NV200 van for about $24K. I know, because our company bought a couple. Now these stripped out shells of vehicles are $36K somehow. Companies are doing micro-RV conversions (basically just adding a cot and a sink with cabinets), and charging $70K for them. It's stupid.

@federal6616

9 ай бұрын

I bought one new in 2020. 30k was the sticker but I was able to get for 24,400 out the door. The SXT wirh rear seats and glass windows.

@timschutte6924

8 ай бұрын

Exactly, they are not even American. The motor is Fiat And they burn oil from day one. Although they do have more hp than Ford or Nissan, I would much rather have the Nissan 200v Only thing is that you can't tow dick with any of these. Only way to go is the Ford turbo 4X4 all wheel drive. But the cost of those jumps up to 30 grand. So the public is fucked. I would very much like the old style Ford econoline full size. More room, you can tow about 5,000 pounds and carry about 2,000 pounds of cargo. But here we go with the gas milage and cost Stuck in the middle, clowns to the left, jokers to the right. Mmm?

@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy

8 ай бұрын

@@timschutte6924 I remember when you could get a new Trans-Am GTA for $19,999. I feel old now. Nissan discontinued the NV200 too. That's a nice little van, we've got one at work. Enough space for most average hauling needs, and good MPG. Out of production though.

I LOVE mine!! It's all tricked out for camping. It's such a shame Americans are still infatuated with large vehicles. In Europe these are the Fiat Doblo. I would love to have the 6-speed manual transmission with diesel engine that is available over there...

I have a 2015 Promaster City SLT wagon. It’s the one with the back seat. Overall I like it. It has some annoying quirks, but it’s the right size package for me, and it’s a loaded version. Mine has the rear slider roll down power windows. I like that option. It also has heated seats, rear window wiper and defroster. It has the factory tow package with the receiver hitch and 4/7 pin connector. I like the low cargo floor and the 52 inch tall opening for the rear doors. With its 4 wheel independent suspension, the rear end does not dance around in the bumps. With the 9 speed transmission, it has the low initial gearing so it scoots away from the light pretty good. And with the 9th gear, you can zoom past 85 mph with no problem. (You will seldom see 9th gear below 75 mph) the huge front doors are great for enter and exit. Mine has the fog lights, painted bumpers and silver grill with the factory alloy wheels. With its dark read metallic paint, it looks good too. It’s not the generic white toaster van.

RAM and all the rest are driving the consumers toward the more expensive and gas guzzling full sized vans. So disgusting that a great little van like the RAM Promaster City and it's counterparts are being phased out.

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

YES... it's seems all the automakers are doing this!

Mine is a 2015 with only 88,000 kms on it. I camperized it and it's the perfect size. I change the oil every 8000kms and I have never had any excess oil usage issues. Only issue was the key would not release from the ignition. It has a crappy turning radius. I put my kayak on the roof and I tow my motorcycle. I put a bed in it, a stove and I even have a porta-potty. I call it the shaggin' wagon (wink wink). I put sound deadener in it and with the camping package, it's quiet enough. I'd buy it again.

This is better then a truck to haul stuff to the dumps without covering it up plus great in winter time if you buy bulky items i.e.furniture from Costco, ikea , Walmart no delivery fee's.

I'm still driving my 2015 model which fortunately came with windows and back seats which split into a one-seater and a 2-seater which I bought in 2016 with only 9,000 miles on it from my local Car Sense. I'm a jewelry artisan and sell at craft shows around the mid-Atlantic region. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this vehicle! It's very comfortable on long trips, and has masses of space for my booth and products. Currently having a bit of an issue with oil consumption and there has been a recall to try to fix this. The only other issue I had was there was a blockage that stopped rain from draining from the cowl and it backed up and drained into the front passenger floor. Finally my husband found the problem after a dealer tried to tell me there was a leak around the antenna in the roof that would cost $700+ to fix. It was just dirt and debris. When this one gives out I hope I can buy another one, although hoping to keep this one going for years to come.

Fun fact, the little black metal section of floor in the back of those vans, are an access panel to replace the fuel pump. The full size promasters have them right beside the driver seat in the cab.

I got a 2022 in April of 2023, and I love it! I was hoping to trade it in for a newer model with some customizations in a year or two, so it’s a shame that they are being discontinued. Drives comfortably, holds a lot, and I love that is has the lowest load floor height in class. Making it AWD or 4WD would raise the load floor height.

@okwateva

6 ай бұрын

Better than for transit? Seems this pro master is pretty efficient

It's too bad that all the car makers are discontinuing the small cargo vans here in the US. My 2021 RAM PMC cargo van (almost exactly like the one in this video) sticker price was $27,870 but it only came with 4 options, the trailer tow package, daytime running headlamps, cruise control, and a full size spare tire. It's pretty bare bones and basic but it will eek out 30+ mpg highway in the warmer months and drop back to 28+ mpg highway in the cold months. The 16 gallon fuel tank is just big enough for long road trips and the seats are comfortable enough for hours behind the wheel (at least for me). At first I wanted a fully optioned PMC window van with the folding rear seat and carpeting but trying to find one in early summer of 2021 was futile so I just caved in and settled for this one, looking back I pretty happy not spending all that money for the fancier van. BTW, I've had no mechanical problems at all with this van, I guess I'm lucky?

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

GM discontinued all their small cars too. I really had to search and pay above market for a 2018 Spark 5-speed. Took the rear seats out and it's like a really tiny minivan. I can fit eight foot pieces of lumber / pipe, etc in the rear hatch, pushed all the way up between the front seats.

The "commercial vehicle" pricing on these is completely absurd. So I bought a used Odyssey for my work van. If honda made an odyssey with a completely flat floor and barn doors instead of a hatch, they would completely dominate the work van market

Ram probably canceled it because there is a new one out over in Europe now. It would probably sell really well here but FCA likes to keep all their good stuff for Europe

The title reads "Why Did Ram Cancel This?!?", but you did not address this. Also when going over cargo space why didn't you give the measurements, that would have been useful information someone could actually use.

Title is misleading. There is no comment about why Ram is discontinuing this vehicle. Very frustrating to go through the entire video and not answer the question in the title.

Pretty sure the 2021 Pro Master my employer has in fleet use is ready to self destruct from lack of routine maintenance (15K past its recommended oil change for example) yet still gets the job reliably accomplished, would not hesitate to own one.

I'm looking into getting one of these for my dog walking business thanks Ben have been waiting for a review.

Great little cargo van. Would definitely like to see more cargo van reviews. Ram definitely needs to get in gear with adding AWD/4x4 to their Promaster series, just like Ford did with the Transit. Maybe they'll change things up once they add the Hurricane engine to the mix? Thanks for the review!!!

@robertlutz2244

Жыл бұрын

Good comments all !!!

@user8ZAKC1X6KC

Жыл бұрын

You probably won't because Ram stopped making these. Along with Ford, Nissan and Mercedes. After this year these types of vans won't be produced anymore for the US market. It's pretty awful for those of us that need them. Full size vans only for the foreseeable future. Until used inventory runs out.

@CobraHunchoPL1

Жыл бұрын

This is a Fiat Doblo made in turkey

@Pitman556

Жыл бұрын

​@CobraHunchoPL1 are they reliable?

@CobraHunchoPL1

Жыл бұрын

@@Pitman556 yes

Thank you for the great review.

I have a 2017 Pro master city. The instrument cluster on a bright sunny day is almost impossible to see especially the speedometer. The adjustment for the brightness of the dash lights is it turned up all the way the little information panel at the middle of the instrument cluster is very bright, but the speedometer I can barely see is the same on the newer models

For shame. I absolutely love my 2015 Promaster City for business and I WAS going to buy another when I wore this one out. 140k miles with no major issues. Don’t know what I’ll do now.

@user8ZAKC1X6KC

Жыл бұрын

We need to communicate to Ram that this is unacceptable. We need these types of vehicles.

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

GM discontinued all their small vehicles too. Nissan had a cargo minivan in this size (NV200) that was discontinued as well... smh.

I test drove one and it didn't have much power dashboard vibrated could not do it

Just what i was looking for, my company is issuing me one of these and i really wanted to see more detail about them thx.

Anyone know the dimensions of the back AFTER the seats are folded against the front? I'd like to know the length of the cargo space from seat to door after the seats are folded away.

@jurelwow

Жыл бұрын

a little less then 6ft on the diagnal 6 ft fence picket will lay on top of the seat on passenger side easy.

@fionathompson408

Жыл бұрын

I can get my canopy in with a couple of inches to spare.

What’s the cargo length in feet?

I want one of those for my cleaning business I’m starting

What a shame Ram cancelled making this fine vehicle. I was looking forward to buying a 2022 model.

@ltsFaited

Жыл бұрын

It was just a Fiat

How wide is the inside interior? I'm 5'4. I would like to put a bed in back horizontally.

@Jamnik06

6 ай бұрын

I have a 2022 and am 6’ 2”. I can lay down in the cargo area comfortably.

@smallnuts2

6 ай бұрын

​@Jamnik06 i mean horizontal so the door area is clear and be my sitting area at camps.

Thinking about buying a 2017 w 85k miles. Its about 300 miles away from a used dealer, so im doing my research, Not only on the van but the dealer also. Thanks for the video.

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

Seen something very similar near me priced at just over $22k.

Thank you! Do you think a sheet of 4x8 plywood would fit in the back?

@dwrterrybailey

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't

@nicklockard

Жыл бұрын

No, but it has a roof rack.

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

Maybe not laying flat, but I think standing on edge it would fit.

Those cars were made in Türkiye and shipped to the US. But in Europe have two engine 1.3 litre or 1.6 litre turbo diesel engine with 6 speed Manuel transmission that putting out 90 or 120 hp. It is ridiculous when looking 2.4 litre turbo petrol engine and 9 speed automatic from here. This car not continuing because fiat group had an agreement with PSA Peugeot Citroen group and they took Peugeot's minivan rifter and sell on under fiats name. Because rifter is better with all the new technology thinks like keyless enter and ingition, two zone AC, adaptive cruise control with same cargo capacity. I think it will come to US in 1-2 years with a bigger petrol engine

Thanks Ben

Does the passenger seat recline to the fully flat position?

@dwrterrybailey

Жыл бұрын

No

@fredwilliams8898

Жыл бұрын

@@dwrterrybailey thanks!

Ben, you are right! If these were available 4x4 with a lift they would sell!!! I have a 2015 SLT passenger version and it's been a good vehicle! I bought it because I can haul my expensive bike(s) inside standing up, it is that tall inside. I merely fold the 40 split rear down and a bike fits perfectly, out of the weather and out of sight. It's also easy to camp in simply with a cot. Again, if they were 4x4 they would be awesome

How does it compare to Ford's Transit Connect?

@nicklockard

Жыл бұрын

Lower loading height and more cargo volume

I just caint believe these things are 34 grand. Jesus man. Its just a box and 4 tires. Thats it. I got my 2018 Nissan Frontier pro4X for 20 cash. Had only about 20,000 miles. 4 liter V6. 4X4 with auto locker hubs. Upgrated suspension and tires and wheels.

I have a 2010 transit connect. It's really a great category vehicle although my van has been very unreliable and expensive to maintain. I was hoping to hear about how reliable the pro city is. A red wagon version would be great to have.

I drove one of those for about 2 years. Had a pain on my back because the seats are very uncomfortable and it’s a hard driving, suspension is terrible, it’s like you driving a shoe box and the price is ridiculous for what you get, better off going with the bigger van

I had my engine replaced after only 10,000 miles. What do you think I feel about this vehicle?

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

Seemed like it was smoking alot on the rear shot when he started it.

@jcherestal

6 ай бұрын

What year and how many miles did you have on it

@Bobster986

6 ай бұрын

@@jcherestal 10,000 miles 2018

they eat gas like no tomorrow. I hate the fact that the gas mileage is based on driving and not content.

In Europe it's a Fiat and it is canceled

Perfect for my auto detailing business. Need one of these.

@prosmartdetails

Жыл бұрын

I got one, I also have 3500 pro master with a 350 gallon water tank. Perfect vans for auto detailing

@j_Detail

Жыл бұрын

@@prosmartdetails Nice! I'm sure these are better than the Ford Transit, correct? Yea, I heard Dodge and Ford are canceling their small cargo vans.

@phiksit

Жыл бұрын

Seems like everyone is discontinuing their small vehicles! ugh

Mine is averaging 25mpg in Phoenix, Arizona.

They didn't sell enough of them so they cancelled production :(

@CobraHunchoPL1

Жыл бұрын

This is a Fiat Doblo made in turkey

My company just bought me one.. so far, I like it but doing hvac work,I miss the big Chevy express at times.

Looks exactly like my 2015 Promaster City except for the key remote button positions.

@CobraHunchoPL1

Жыл бұрын

This is a Fiat Doblo made in turkey

These mini ram vans are essentially “blue collar Nissan altimas”

I would want a divider between myself and the cargo.

@Jamnik06

6 ай бұрын

A bulkhead/divider can be added by an upfitter. Search for ProMaster City Safety Partition or Contoured cargo van partition

5:52 you can literally see it burn oil, brand new lol. On that cold start, when he gives it gas, the white steam color (normal) changes to a blue tinted smoke (oil burning) coming from the exhaust.

@monto313

Жыл бұрын

Brand new engine. Still needs to be broken-in. I’m willing to bet that’d go away after the break-in period.

@Fiberform70

10 ай бұрын

it believe it is true that a lot of these have oil control issues, but to my eyes this looks like a prism effect from the light shining through the steam / camera lens.

Why the hell they are all stopping manufacturing them? Almost conspiracy!😅

Still waiting for dodge to put a hellcat in it

they are getting rid of anthing that gets great gas milage they want you in electric high cost cars

My thoughts are they canceled it because it was owned by Fiat at the time, and this is pretty much a Fiat van, and now they are not owned by them anymore.

I have a question about weight distribution on a small converted van that might be affecting steering and tire wear. I have built a microcamper on a Promaster city van. I weight 250lbs and am most often alone. Because I need the passenger side clear for a bed and because i have an oversized starter battery, a house battery, water storage and appliances there might be a 300 to 500 lb weight disparity between sides of the van, but much of it is behind the rear wheels. I dont visually see a difference, but do often feel she pulls to the left. How big of a deal is this on a van that weights 3500 lb curb weight?

RAM didn't cancel the Promaster City, Fiat decided not to sell it in the U.S. anymore.

Dude! Slow down on them Red Bulls! FFS, hard to keep up….

You can't by a new one

Pay 32000 for this car ? Why

@HectorSuarez-fs1mc

Жыл бұрын

You don't even get them for that price, I bought mine out the door for 40k

Thanks for slowing your speech down for a more enjoyable review

Mercedes Benz Metris Cargo van

Its a shit product - i own one so i know

This little dinky shit today is selling for 55k CAD…unreal.

Talk faster

You turned right into the pathway of that red car and forced him to break somewhat hard and it seemed he was not going that fast but going normal speed. Plus you didn't even turn on your signals to let other drivers know what you are doing you just plowed right into his path and incoming traffic. Lucky for you the other driver was paying attention and being alert of bad drivers. 8:32

@DavidHuffTexas

9 ай бұрын

It was on a roundabout, and vehicles entering a roundabout (red car) should yield to those already in it (Ben in the PMC).

Bro, could you talk any faster? Good lord I can barely understand what your saying.

you talk to fast

jesus man, you talk too fast. gives me a hear attack. makes the video unwatchable