I still want to see a Pico with Horizon OS on it XD

@Meianju

2 ай бұрын

This is what I am also hoping for.

@andvaribekho

2 ай бұрын

that would be awesome, but I find it very hard that Pico is willing to ditch their Pico OS for Meta Horizon OS. but maybe... since meta OS will be open, someone finds a way to unlock Pico bootloader and install Meta OS

@Kalteo.

2 ай бұрын

Why??

@4everInMove

2 ай бұрын

Pimax Crystal with Horizon OS sounds nicer 🙂 Ideally Crystal Super + Standalone option + Horizon OS. So, new Headset from Pimax 🙂 Or Quest Pro 2 if they are going to make it. Even with the same fov, but need jump in pixels and black levels + eye tracking

@Tyrielwood

2 ай бұрын

@@4everInMove i actually love the idea of it.

Would be nice to see one of the other headsets differentiate with dedicated cable connection via display port with the same lenses as quest 3 and higher resolution to replace the reverb G2. Wireless is great but for some applications but for sim games i want to sit and plug in and not worry about battery life

Thats really good, means that I dont have to be stuck on Quest forever, I can choose the most cost benefit vr headset available

@PSYCHOV3N0M

2 ай бұрын

Your enjoyment of a product should be based on the experience it provides. NOT how much you paid for it.

@HumbertoOriginal

2 ай бұрын

@@PSYCHOV3N0M I know, I mean that if a vr headset has more features with the same price of the quest 2 it is more cost benefit, or maybe if it has many more technology for a small difference of price

Very excited to see other manufacturers headsets with the convenience of Quest.

Huh, that might make sense. I mean, it does seem like the VR area needs some sort of standardization in it and the Quest platform is as good as any of them to standardize around.

@paulct91

2 ай бұрын

BUT, is it good enough to fix Pimax hardware/software problems?

@BoltRM

2 ай бұрын

​@@paulct91Pimax would need to retrofit / reprogram MHOS to control Pimax hardware

@rickaron7593

2 ай бұрын

When I tried xbox cloud on my quest 3 the controller haptics will not work wirelessly so that for me was a deal breaker.

@TimothyCollins

2 ай бұрын

@@rickaron7593 Weird - works perfectly for me. Could it be the game? Do haptics work if you stream that same game through an xbox?

This is great news! Having options with hardware is always great

Hey I loved your video about the Resolution between meta 2/ meta 3. you are the only youtuber that properly showed the resolution difference and convinced me to buy a meta quest 3 and I am happy with it. There is currently no videos that show resolution in big screen VR native to a camera, just ripped video feed, Curious how they would compare. Edit, just found it. Again, only one to properly show Resolution... wow thank you.

I remember buying a Lenovo Windows MR headset. I’ve never returned anything as fast in my life.

@kanerowe

2 ай бұрын

I loved mine, the lenovo explorer was pretty good for the time

@Nobody-Nowhere

2 ай бұрын

Those were good headsets, the WMR platform and all the headsets were quite good. It was cheaper, and pioneeted camera based tracking.

We just need Quest 3 copy with Displayport connection, headstrap with good integrated audio like Valve Index and possibly 3,5mm with input capability for external microphones. Hopefully, this will happen now.

This confuses me because the actual OS is Android. This is just Metas version of it. 🤔

@Arzeefy

2 ай бұрын

It's fork or using AOSP

@kaecatlady

2 ай бұрын

That applies to almost any phone that uses Android-based OSes, as well. The vast majority put their own skins and UI's over Android's basic one. I assume Horizon OS does the same, with its own extra added features that are specific to VR. That's means that companies that want to build VR hardware, but don't want to deal (beyond a superficial level) with creating a whole VR-based UI on their own, can do so. Even with paying Meta, they'll probably save on production costs.

@CyrusYareff

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't it be funny if Google put their XR OS on all Android distributions? Then Meta gets it and adds their own VR OS now everyone has two VR skins to choose from.

@MobileDecay

2 ай бұрын

@@CyrusYareff That's like Gear VR phones with Daydream. 😁

It would be pretty cool to have the option of buying a high end headset with micro oled, and eye tracking that runs the quest operating system. I understand extra features like eye tracking wouldn't be useable for quest games, but it could for pc games. Are they saying the OS will be open source, or just make it available to approved partners that want to make a headset?

@paulct91

2 ай бұрын

Eye-Tracking 'can' be useful for Quest games if whatever HMD becomes popular enough for developers to take notice unlike Meta skimping out on having eye-tracking when they alreadly knew they (Meta) would be selling a cheaper Meta Quest 3 (light) vs a midtier Quest 3 (normal).

Super interesting, though I'm definitely concerned that Meta will have to balance their own headset hardware pricing so as to not kill their 3rd party manufacturers. No other manufacturer could have hit the "sweet spot" for Q2 or Q3 price/performance ratio since Meta subsidised them. So either 3rd parties will only have mega expensive and beefy headsets, or Meta will increase the pricing of the next quests to not undercut their partners.

Brilliant! The Meta OS now becomes like Windows, licensed across many devices. It’s a very smart move by Meta and great for consumers- I would be quite interested in an ASUS ROG VR headset!

very cool . i might want a LG hirez headset as a monitor replacement to watch movies and do light web stuff . then a xbox headset for gaming 😎

I think Asus aims more for display replacement, that its about streaming content to the headset from your PC. Xbox probably also is not going to be making any VR games, but stream 2D games from the Xbox to the headset.

@bamber119

2 ай бұрын

Microsoft already make a VR mode game, MSFS on PC so will be an interesting option for them. Imagine Horizon 5 or Forza motorsport with a VR mode?

Well this may be a bit of a genius move. If enough come on board on their headsets, then Meta can become the Steam of VR.

@BoltRM

2 ай бұрын

If Meta didn't, Steam might have become the standard. Also good to join forces against 🍎

@RaumBances

2 ай бұрын

Exactly why I'm not happy about this but I do agree. :) I didn't want to have any account associated with meta. Now it looks even less avoidable.

I think this is a great move on their part in a business sense. It will be interesting now to see how many jump into the pool with them. As long as it makes VR stronger, I'll be happy.

More choice is always welcome and all being on the same platform is great from a software library and cross play perspective!

This is really good because more companies are going to be able to focus in creating good hardware knowing that software is almost done already, also is going to push android/google to improve their vr, and apple is going to be forced to create a cheaper vision SE for example.

I just hope this means all the games locked behind the quest will now one day be available for PCVR since the OS will be made available. Maybe emulation? I just wanna play new quest exclusive on my oculus rift lol

Pico should partner with Huawei, as they have the Harmony OS. And i think Huawei is releasing their own VR/AR headset for the Harmony OS. As HarmonyOS is cross device OS, so it basically similar to Apples OS. Expect its one unified OS, while Apple stil lhave at least two different OS:es.

So any chance any of this is going to give us OLED displays?

I don't know about this move. I guess it depends on how much of secret sauce is in the Quest hardware? I think a lot of it is in the software, but probably the main ingredients for the successful hardware is price, comfort, decent processor. If there is varying hardware specs out there, is the Meta Horizon OS tuned to optimise the software things to make use of the hardware? Things like hand tracking, AR etc. If the 3rd parties put out bad uncomfortable and under powered hardware, will it ruin the Meta reputation? Risks on both sides I guess. I guess understandable that Meta need to do something to encourage sales of their platform. Quest 3 I doubt is moving enough hardware to cover the huge investment so far, and probably making a loss on hardware. Maybe it is a smart move to get the hardware guys in on the game, and try and reclaim the cost of the software.

XBox so needs to just stream to the headset wirelessly. Basically allow a quest and a wifi dongle to use the xbox with some games as vr. The technology to stream from a pc to your quest is already there and working. This isn't a big technical undertaking and microsoft would jump right into the vr market to compete with sony. This xbox themed quest would work well, if everything else I just said worked, but alone is just a poor gimick.

Love ASUS RoG gear. I'm sold.

Pico 4s needs to use the Horizon OS immediately and then the headset would be a major success and Knight be able to be released in the USA

I think this is a big chance for VR. By the WMR Headset nobody gave thumbs up for MS and their shitty software, but there where a few really good HMDs outside who was etter then the rest at release like the Samsung o´or HP with their bouth Reverbs. Now we have the chance to see better resoultion and more FoV with a very solid OS. I would love to see a Pimax HMD with the horizon OS.. even with a cable.

Excelent way for Meta to data mine even more! woohoo...

So, the Nescafé route. This is actually a brilliant move. Has Zuckerberg gotten a brain upgrade over the past year?

@BoltRM

2 ай бұрын

Next, he desperately needs a new haircut! 😮

Is there going to be a store share? LOL Of course the whole reason they are doing this IS to share the store and get there software OS and applications out to many more users. That's why they are renaming there Quest App as well to Meta Horizons App.

it's rebooting the many issues that Android had, where manufacturers felt like they needed to "tweak" the software/OS to add their own branding and what customers were left with were shitty half-baked ideas that weren't well supported, were buggy and in the end most people just wanted gone. I understand why Meta is doing this, the manufacturing process is easily the most expensive part. I just think in the end though we'll still end up with 1-2 manufacturers and the ones with the least bloat and least buggy implementation of the OS->hardware connection will be the most dominant.

Think this will keep meta in first place amongst the top vr consumer brands as it seems like Sony is partly giving up now .

I would've loved to have bought that black Xbox branded quest 3 instead of the white one

@BoltRM

2 ай бұрын

Me too, I kept expecting a black or gray Quest. Light colors attract smudges.

@10secondsrule

2 ай бұрын

Like it does matter...

@johnrodgers2171

2 ай бұрын

It does if you hate white gadgets that standout and get dirty looking easily

CUKTECK HAHAHA I AM A REAL PERSON

This could be super cool, but definitely requires SO many big companies playing nice together… one key company deciding to opt out or not do licensing and you could lose access to features quickly. Like Roku fighting with any streaming service you immediately lose a service from your device which has happened in the past. Super annoying. But it makes sense for all of them to combine since we know Apple will always be a closed system, this can be the open platform for VR. As much as people love to hate on Zuck, what he’s done with the quest and moving VR forward has been great for consumers IMO. Is it perfect? No. But side loading, headset pricing, and so many other things has been great.

@paulct91

2 ай бұрын

Apple won't 'always' be closed ecosystem, partially anyways... due to the EU ruling, at the very least it will at some point force a situation like what SideQuest is to Meta Quest now... though Apple WILL fight it kicking and screaming like an angry child.

@heyjustj

2 ай бұрын

@@paulct91 I feel like Apple will figure out a way to make their “open” system suck, just like they did with their “repairability” move a few years back. Watch any video on people ordering parts then paying to rent and be shipped huge silly contraptions to do the repairs… it’s so bad. Apple TECHNICALLY makes it possible but it’s so ridiculously unusable that it might as well not exist at all. As someone that LOVES and uses Apple products and is invested in the company stock, I don’t see a world where they make it much more open. The Delta emulator that they just allowed into the App Store is interesting though and a sign that I could be wrong. Event then I feel like Apple may have done that to get Nintendo mad enough that Nintendo joins forces with Apple to fight some of this stuff.

now they need to open up the Oculus PC app to other headsets and im not talking about any headset using harizon os, im talking about anyone who wants to make a PC VR headset using oculus store (and also the existing headsets too make a steam vr plugin to allows steam vr headsets to play games from the oculus store revive is great but I want something more official its wishful thinking). It wouldn't hurt facebook to open up the PC app to other headsets revive already kinda does just that but doing that and bringing quest exclusives to the oculus PC app could be more beneficial. What stops me from getting games on my quest 3 is my PC games look and runs better and for quest exclusives I tend to not buy them because I know I would never play them unless I go to a friends or family's house to me the Quest 3 is more a on to go headset and my Index is my main headset.

It might say something about the development team of Meta, once Oculus, a talented team to piggy-back their ideas on.

Makes sense. They're eating money at what they sell them for and own the software portal. Question would be how are the others making money unless hundreds more per unit?

Neat until you realize 'even' Pimax removed XR chipsets and standalone from all their new headsets even the more high end Crystal SUPER... so its probably also gone for the "12K" QLED, so at the VERY least 'all those' Pimax HMDs and Portal (+View) may lose out on any possible benefits for Meta Horizon OS, plus even more problematic is whether 'Meta' exclusive games are still exclusive or 'kinda' works VS fully 'it just works' games. I blame the Pimax Simmers edition for Crystal Light not having standalone BUT still having a "high" price EVEN though Simmer edition doesn't include controllers yet Crystal Light does for some reason. In relation to that SweViver during MRTV VR's Sebastion interview after Pimax Frontier 2024, mentioned that the Crystal Light will 'eventually' be sold without 'unneeded' controllers like Simmer edition a month or few months after its release.

@SargonDragon

2 ай бұрын

It's possible that this change by Pimax was forced because of this Horizon OS deal. Pimax rather abruptly deleted the XR2 from all future headsets (including the 12K), and I already suspected this was because they lost their relationship with Qualcomm. I don't think it's something Pimax decided to do of its own accord.

Data mining commence!

Since I like your videos Can you get the new smell o vision Game Scent I like to no your thoughts about that I was told there making smell kits for Fall Out 4 Sky Rim in the near future

AND going to blow apple away Tyriel

Now meta will go premium like Google hardware and give others a chance to compete with pricing

Doesn't matter who makes the hardware but will meta allow partners to use their patented optics, even I have to admit, the optics of the Quest 3 is 2nd to none, they are incredible, so no matter how good a HMD might be, if the optics aren't good, the whole HMD isn't good. As for Asus and Lenovo making "Quest Like" HMDs, please oh please.... a Display Port option for us PCVR users? Either way, HMDs from Asus, Lenovo, etc, will not be as cheap as a REAL Quest HMD, they can't afford to sell them at a loss and why would they want to?

It looks kind of pointless to be honest. WMR all over again. If Meta had anything worth playing on their store then yeah ok. But any headset connected to SteamVR would suffice and be a better option.

@daru6366

2 ай бұрын

It's not pointless, it means that we will have more hardware options with decent tracking software. Meta Quest software and tracking systems are far better than Windows MR. I have a HP Reverb 2 that I stopped using when I got a Meta Quest 3. I use it in both standalone mode and with Steam. The reason why WMR died was because it was a bad product. It was a huge pain in the ass to get working and the tracking even with mods to use valve index controllers was shit because the headset tracking was shit.

@wickfut8917

2 ай бұрын

​@@daru6366 WMR was mentioned because originally it was a collection of different manufacturers headsets all with slight variations of the same headset and all under the Mixed Reality portal / store for game purchases umbrella. Meta is doing the same thing only taking the place of Microsoft as the store/drivers/OS creator.

@wickfut8917

2 ай бұрын

@@daru6366 I mentioned WMR because it was an collection of different brands of headsets all using similar hardware and drivers connected to the Mixed Reality Portal store. Nothing you wrote changes anything I wrote? (I wrote a reply to this earlier but it vanished? If it turns up again you get to read it twice. Lucky you)

@daru6366

2 ай бұрын

​​@@wickfut8917 no one was using the WMR store. People bought the WMR headsets for either business or to connect to a PC for SteamVR without spending $1000+ for a Steam VR headset. Now that WMR is dead and unsupported, we only have the Quest headsets and the Valve Index as mainstream options for PC VR. This change to open up the quest software and hardware to other vendora increases the choices available to those looking to get into VR and increases competition.

I would like to see you try the first smell o vision game scent i was told there making fall out 4 an sky rim an other smell kits in the future

Would be a nice news if Meta's OS was not that bad!

@BoltRM

2 ай бұрын

What's better?

Who cares that "Apple arrived later" (especially considered superior software)?- you don't need to R&D in public you know ... "Apple is kinda ahead"... understatement of the year. I came from psvr2 to quest 3 for its AR capabilities (as for gaming it just has too little power for me - everything looks like 2004 game) and I'm quite surprised by how bad the software is considered all the years they had to work on it. From the get go, even stuff like app installation was buggy and don't get me started on hand interactions and the viewport warping (which is not present even in psvr2) in passthrough. I'm very happy with the optics and ergonomics tho. Also why can't I unpin stuff rom the dock (don't get me started on re-shuffling icon positions there) or uninstall apps I don't want. Zuck wanted to undercut Apple and bring AR to the public before them, but failed quite hard considered the software quality miles long gap between them. Making quest into windows OS of AR world is the only play he can make now.

Why do they insist on strapping a device to your face? Just have AR glasses connect to.a device on the table via Bluetooth, so it's not so bulky.

@namakeingo

23 күн бұрын

Bluetooth is a garbage slow protocol that cannot get anything close to the broadband and low-latency requirements of VR. The minimum is a good 5 GHz connection with compression. For a no-compression stream, you need 60 GHz which comes with a lot of range issues tho

@davidagiel8130

23 күн бұрын

@@namakeingo OK, so just have the glasses on your face and plug into the rest of the device and have that seperated.

@namakeingo

23 күн бұрын

@@davidagiel8130 yes but then you just basically have PCVR with the issues of cables getting in the way

@davidagiel8130

22 күн бұрын

@@namakeingo I’d rather have a set up like AR glasses and a phone or steam deck than a device strapped to my face. That’s why VR isn’t as popular as AR, but VR doesn’t need to have the device strapped to your face, have the device strapped to your belt or something.

Meta is only partnering with 3rd party vendors with their Meta Horizon OS because Zuckerberg wants to own the Metaverse Those same partners will have to compete with Meta headsets that are sold at a subsidized price With Apple now in the spatial computing arena. Meta felt the need to do this now

Microsoft strategy is slowly shifting away from windows to AI. Meta is positioning themself to be the next "open" OS... It is definitly not open... as Windows was I mean...

Not liking the bloated Meta OS is the primary reason I've switched to and stuck with Pico. Now every standalone headset is going to be running Meta OS? Sounds like a huge win for Meta and a loss for the consumers. Maybe eventually we'll get to where we are with phones and have custom ROM's available to streamline what used to be a great OS. Anyway, none of this matters if we don't get more games.

So virtually the Pico Store is dead in the near future I guess?

Meta Quest OS is a crap even after so many years. No apps, poor performance, lack of, well, everything

Cloud gaming = renting your games. Don’t own them

Videos are nice, but no need to force the happy smile every time you speak. Looks unnatural

Xbox VR from Quest will never happen, Microsoft will do their own headset if they do XBOX VR

@RailJames-gf3nx

2 ай бұрын

Explain

@orionishi6737

2 ай бұрын

So why haven't they done that? 🧐

@paulct91

2 ай бұрын

...seems unlikely but, it hopefully can't be worse than that PS5 streaming tablet thing.

@Prometheus1979

2 ай бұрын

Watched a video yesterday with Xbox partnering with Meta for their own headset with Xbox controller.

@bamber119

2 ай бұрын

Disagree, reason being that they would need to design hardware at cost to themselves then have to sell under cost to move them. If meta can allow ms to utilise the quest then why wouldn’t they? A lot less expensive than R&D for a brand new product.

EARLY RAHHH

@paulct91

2 ай бұрын

...late ...rahhh😓

Azuuz

@paulct91

2 ай бұрын

Asore? No, AzAz? ...! Ah, AuAu? No, not quite... 😢