For anyone who's planning on putting it in a USB/thunderbolt enclosure - Do NOT. It's a DRAM-less SSD which uses HMB (host memory buffer) meaning it's using your PC's system memory for write cache and the lookup table. HMB does not work over USB and thunderbolt unless it has direct PCIe lanes assigned to the drive, and even then that's not a guarantee. Without HMB its nominal "1000TBW" (1TB model) endurance will get closer to half of that, or even worse.

@shapelessed

Жыл бұрын

Just to clarify - Technically HMB will work over thunderbolt, but only if there's no USB hub, non-standard controller or anything like that between the SSD and your computer, meaning it has to have direct access to the tunnelled PCIe connection. The most you can have between the SSD and your computer is a PCIe switch, if you're daisy-chaining it through a thunderbolt dock. On the other side, if you're using thunderbolt docks, you should have enough time and money to find an SSD with a DRAM cache.

@Shadoufang

Жыл бұрын

Woah, thank you very much! So only SSDs with DRAM can/should be used in external enclosure! Appreciate, appreciate 🙌

@YoureNowOnTV

11 ай бұрын

Just saved me $$$ Thanks ! 😀👍

@Bundy714

10 ай бұрын

Excellent point. Many KZread channels are pushing these (sponsored) cheap Chinese dramless drives, and they show high speed test scores but fail to mention how those transfer speeds fall off a cliff when you exceed their HMB "cache". Or how they fail after 8 months. These Chinese manufacturers also have a bad habit of changing parts to whatever is cheapest without changing the model number and telling customers about the changes. There is a reason the quality manufacturers SSD's sell for a premium compared to these cheap Chinese knock offs. You get what you pay for. Likewise some controllers are known to cause premature data loss or failure, but they continue to sell them because they can get away with it (avoid Innogrit). The whole SSD market is an unregulated minefield for consumers. When shopping for a SSD, I want to know what kind of NAND flash it uses, does it have Dram cache or not, and what controller it uses......good luck finding that info. They don't make it easy to find, and they will change parts without any warning, so you can't trust the info IF you do find it. I hate to sound anti China, but this is a country that has put melamine in baby formula to make a profit. Yes, they don't mind if they kill their own babies in the quest for profits. There are some Chinese manufacturers that make quality products, but for every quality manufacturer, a dozen counterfeit, knock off, cheapo companies will sprout up to ruin the reputation of the market. SMH It's frustrating as heck.

@rasovukicevic3190

10 ай бұрын

So if i put in the m.2 to pcie adapter, it won't affect the performance in ant way? Or i misunderstood?

Other than your informative videos, your sense of light and color, is impeccable.

I recently built a computer and upgraded my computer with Samsung SSD drives. Thanks for information on the Lexar NM790. My next upgrades or computer builds should have the Laxar NM790.

it just recently releases in Indonesia, so i watch this video. thank you for the video, really helpful.

thanks for the review, another set of information would be greatly apreciated such as: idle temp/max temp, idle mixed and max power draw in laptop/desktop and the latency of the drive, pcie4/pcie3 speeds❤ a very nice to have info (wich nobody seems to do) is measurements from the m.2 pins to the top of the ssd for clearance reasons(especially with HS versions) . most of the data regarding size is the overall thickness of it but not the actual "height"

Great review, i will definitely check out any deals on this Lexar brand next time i'm looking.

This seems like a lovely find. I’d get one as back up storage and it will do fine.

Hi, I really enjoy watching your videos on KZread. You bring really interesting topics and comparisons that no one else does. I have a question that might be silly! Is there a difference other that speed between Sata 2.5 drives or m.2 SATA drives and NVME SSDs in terms of longevity or stability of the drive? Would either be better for long term storage of files? Thank you so much.

I got the 4tb version of this drive and I can't recommend it enough! Great bang for your buck plus it is 3000tbw!

Currently the most cost-effective particles for home class is the 232-layer TLC particles from CK Storage, using the particles aigo model P7000Z, PCIE4.0 full speed, TBW:3600T, 2T, the price of the event, only $ 70. The same configuration and price, there is also the Taiwan brand Damo, model: Aquarius. Chinese brand: FANXIANG, model S790. Solid-state has been made by Chinese manufacturers into a cabbage price.

Good indio on the specs and function. Stone channels fiber info without having up the the details/components impacting test/graph/diagram

Got a couple for 95$ each for a new PC build :D Can't wait to finally try NVME SSDs, it's been such a long time since I've wanted to say goodbye to SATA cables, 2.5" SSDs and 3.5" HDDs >:) Thanks for the vid !

It seems to be using Chinese YMTC 232layer Flash. HIKVISION released same spec drives at last year.

Paid $75 US each for 2 2TB Solidigm P41 that is enough for me. These low prices are NUTS, and I cannot say I don't love it with inflation everywhere else. Also the fact Solidigm is still working on drivers unlike othe companies is great.

@ummerfarooq5383

Жыл бұрын

Do they last?

@stephenxs8354

Жыл бұрын

Solidgm = Hynix so yes quality stuff.

@nadtz

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenxs8354 they are actually the intel storage division sold to hynix. It's good to see people starting to mention them, they are pretty good drives.

@HuntaKiller91

Жыл бұрын

Damn good price 4 of that for only $300 in atx mobo will be a killer storage 😂 Too bad in my country only the kingston nv2 is around $80-85 for 2tb

@Bundy714

10 ай бұрын

@@ummerfarooq5383 Solidgm is one of the few reputable manufacturers....it used to be Intel's storage division.

More intensive files..? Sounds funny. Thanks for the review.

Team group mp34 is a great buy right now. Gen3 is fast enough. 2tb for 85 use. DRAM cache w/TLC.

@drunkbillygoat

Жыл бұрын

Teamgroup products are so very underrated. I use their ram religiously.

i never used samsung or other Nvme yet , my first was and still is a lexar 610 not knowing other brands cant tell if its better or worse than them BUT what i know is i never ever had any issue with it so far after almost 3 years or so , its only a 500GB one which is very low and its a while im thinking to upgrade it to a 2TB and with the exp i had with the first one im going with lexar again

I hope you would review the new Lexar NM610 Pro. It's getting popular these days because it's so cheap. In fact I ordered mine for a paltry $30 for the 1TB variant, after coupon (list price is $37).

Have an m2 studio max with the acasis enclosure tbu405pro m1 Speeds are 2380 write & 2808 read.

I use it as gaming drive works good and i love it

lol i actually found it a few weeks before and was rlly surprised at how good it is for the price, costs like 30-40$ more than nm620, but def worth it for nearly double the speed

What is your recommendation on storing virtual machines for a home lab. Few windows virtual machines without any I/O intensive workloads.

Today I found a banging deal on the Dutch Amazon for the new NM790 4TB drive, I was looking for something very high capacity and TLC. 217 euros for that, the WD SN850x 4TB is about 330 and the 990 Pro 4TB doesn't ship yet and will be expensive, the 980 pro doesn't have a 4TB option and the other drives in it's price range are either QLC or from brands that I've never heard off like Emtec. And the fact that it is also blazing fast is a great plus. Just will have to wait for about 10 days when it's in stock and shipping. It will be replacing a 6TB Toshiba P300 SMR drive which I use as a game drive, however is painfully slow at updating games.

@1222dss

9 ай бұрын

I'm looking to buy it right now at ~ 195€. How does it work for you 1 month later? Real life performance?

@iBeast_M0de

8 ай бұрын

@@1222dss it’s been solid, sorry for the late reply, I have filled it to 65% capacity and haven’t noticed any slowdowns, for steam downloads, my CPU is now the bottleneck still

I built a new pc yesterday. Got 2x 2tb of these. Absolute bang for the buck

@OmarAhmed-zd8vz

3 ай бұрын

U mean it worth or not ?

You should always set crystal disk mark for "NVME" mode when testing... nvmes....

Sorry I am confuse a bit. Correct me, I want to get the Lexar over 980 pro Samsung because of the price point. My only main use of this is storing raw photos and this will be my storage for all my photos and direct edit to LR. Do you reckon for my use I'd rather go for the 980 pro? Thank you.

Just bought the 4gb version came with a free Lexar heatsink not bad for £239.

Sounds great! Would like to see a comparison with KC3000 as well

@Waldherz

Жыл бұрын

Just dont buy the KC3000. I recently had 3 of them die on my over 2 weeks. It took Kingstons RMA department 2 months to get them replaced. Their only comment was that these failures are normal and thats why they cant replace these drives so fast.

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

Coming!

@arriolahernan

Жыл бұрын

@@Waldherz What other alternative do you suggest me buying from the same price range? 980 Pro?

@arriolahernan

Жыл бұрын

@@theTechNotice thx

@nogerboher5266

Жыл бұрын

@@Waldherz WD makes the best storage on the market - and by best I mean most reliable and longest lasting - BY FAR! Not even Samsung can compare to quality, endurance and reliability of WDBlack drives. Almost all the biggest companies use only WDBlack drives. I've yet to see someone use Samsungs drives. My company and me personally, been using WDBlack HDD's and SSD's for decades now and never had one fail on me, neither have I ever even heard of a WDBlack drive failing! On the other hand, I've already seen and heard dozens of stories and comments about Samsung, Corsair, Kingston, Crucial and Silicone HDD's, SSD's and NVMe's failing and dying. If a drive failed in my company, just one order and one SolidWorks file getting lost/deleted would cost us MILLIONS and I would probably get fired. That's why we use only WDBlack NVMe's, 1x main drive and 2x back up ones PER PC - and there are 16 PC's for 16 people in our offices - 12 of which are used by our engineers to work on, including myself! Kingston is also supposed to be a company on par with Western Digital, we've been using their SSD's for years and recently their NVMe's too but I don't know about their KC3000 NVMe's. Anyhow, you can not go wrong with WDBlack drives - the most durable, the safest and the best quality drives on the entire market. They are not expensive either! Again, WDBlack drives are so reliable and so durable that almost all the biggest companies use them, including our company and myself personally! If WDBlack drives are good for the likes of Sony, Google, Ford, Mercedes, Amazon and whatnot, then there's just a tiny little chance that they will be just as good for your average individual.

Is it good to partition ssd like hdd? Will partition decrease the life and reliability of ssd?

Hey Tech Notice, is FireCuda still King?

Nice job. Show us the differences and advantages between the Nm800 pro heatsink vs the Samsung 980 pro

Good luck finding one of these, as once reviews like this are out - the product is either out of stock or price has doubled. lol these reviews hurt more than they help :(

I’ll pay the extra 20 for the cache. In the long run it will be a faster drive.

i cant get a lexar nm790 in my country, do you think that a fury renegade or a wd sn770 are decent alternatives?

price good try with Solidigim p44 pro and p41 plus ssd there are same price category and from known brand and it even beats 990 pro samsung ssd some places

So even though it's HMB, it's still faster than a DRAM one even for a system drive? Impressive.

When you get a chance. Can you compare the Lexie to the Firecuda 530.

The “Western Digital Black” is the every Nvme killer.

The z440 has great write endurance.

Hello, will this ssd work with my Lenovo 5 15ACH6H laptop without problems? what do you recommend I need 2TB version.

I dream of a 12TB NVMe and an aluminium enclosure for it.

better than XPG ADATA GAMMIX S70 when it comes to random read/writes ?

Should include temperature and power usage .

144 euros for the 2 TB here but only 2 sellers but that is too be expected with a new product. Looks interesting. Although the 980 Pro 2TB is 4 euros more... Have one of those already. An you probably should have compared it to the Samsung 990 Pro as well as spec wise that would be more in line with the lexar. At least looking at the raw stats..

@johnnyl5893

10 ай бұрын

in that case, I really dont think you are gonna buy the 990 pro at that price😆

@jussikankinen9409

8 ай бұрын

Doesnt competition is good for consumers, if all buy samsung no competition

i also bought a LEXAR 1 TB SSD

🤔 The Lexar is an interesting drive spec but how come you didn't compare it to a Samsung 990 pro ?

I can't find it anywhere. I click the link and it shows the Lexar Professional NM800 PRO at $130 dollars US.

thx

so would this be a goodssd drive for gaming on i know nothing about tis sorta stuff

I'm using two Solidigm P44 Pro drives, a 1Tb for the OS and apps, and a 2Tb just for games. I also use a 64Gb Intel Optane M10 drive, serving as L2 cache for the others. (using Primocache, and using 32Gb of RAM as L1 cache as well) I still need a storage drive, and one of these Lexar 790 would fit the bill quite nicely. Being DRAM-less is mostly irrelevant for this purpose. Plus in my particular situation with the Primocache setup i use, it truly IS irrelevant. In fact its the drive that would make the best use of it!

You just can't get at the Nvme slots once a big brick of a GPU is installed, so I ignored them on my motherboard and when with standard old slow SATA SSD drives. You would think they would be terribly slow by comparison. But once you fill NVME's or SSD's up past the 1/3rd mark, they all start to slow down tremendously the same when they have to start writing on that 2nd, 3rd, and 4th layer down... and so your 60mbs SATA interface limit is not such a bottle neck any more. That, and most of the time you're reading small chunks of file at a time, not gigabytes at a time... I watch speed tests and the speed gains by even the fastest NVMEs in the real world during booting or loading a game... is only a few seconds.

I see it for sale in Europe, no where in Canada... yet. I'll wait.

But what if I got a PCIe 5.0 storage device like the Crucial T700

Can you please review Lexar ARES 2tb version

I bought this lexar is it good for gaming and daz 3d or should I return it and get me something else?

What's the difference between this drive and the NM800?

Currently, this drive is more expensive plus shipping plus you have to wait a month. The nine eighty is cheaper and same day Two terabyte on both of them

🚀

I went for the WD SN850X

I just bought 4 of them for my gaming rig. They are going in a raid 0

For 4060ti or any gpu videos further please you $ per performance for gpu, so that we can see which is better value, i am confused between 4070 and 4060ti

@sonofyoutube6248

Жыл бұрын

4060 Ti

Is it normal that this ssd idle on 50°C and it goes 70-72°C on stress test?

to be fair you should compare the lexar with 990 pro not 980 pro however the 980 pro wins causes that Dram cache help much more for handling big data that you mention in the video samsung manufacturer nvme unbeatable

Lex looks better than Sam. And with the warranty, and the price Lex looks to be the best.

honestly I am surprised we did not bake dram into motherboards, like 2GB chip next to CPU that would be the NVME drive dram. Just have an option to bake cache right into the traces somewhere on the board and name it supercharged. close to cpu so it shoud zoom like crazy, and you could use that extra space on m2 drive to pack even more space into it.

@jermain5168

Жыл бұрын

There is already hmb which uses the normal ram for that purpose

@RaviPires

Жыл бұрын

@@jermain5168 The most is able to use is 64mb, so, almost useless.

@RaviPires

Жыл бұрын

And usually most (>95%) of the hmb enabled drives use only 32mb btw

@deilusi

Жыл бұрын

@@RaviPires I belive the peak load can be higher, it's basically as much as controler processed, and its waiting to be flushed. I think most should not go above 128MB even on feakishly bad loads. 32 is like idle reserved space. big thing is that it's uses BANDWITH from your ram, so when drive is going at full speed, its bandwith can be 10Gbps lower for other apps. If you have direct storage, without HMB you go disc -> vram. with HMB you can do nand -> ram -> vram, which limits your performance. cryptominers run out of bandwith for example with HMB, with games it might be like 2fps lower on average.

@RaviPires

Жыл бұрын

@@deilusi Oficial HMB driver is limited to 64mb at the peak load. Its not evdn consistent 64mb hmb. Usually the peak is 32mb, sometimes it being even 16 only. Its not something that can go over it because its literally set as binary on the driver, so theres no possibility. A one of a kind modded device can be made using a higher ammount? Yes. Does it exist and its sold in a common basis? Not even industry or server-grade.

I am looking for a 4tb drive to use as an os drive in a thuderbolt enclosure for an older imac, what drive would you recommend for that?

@aldobelenda907

4 ай бұрын

I use Lexar 790 and crucial p3 plus. Haven't had any issues since I bought them en mid 2023.

@qrsimon

2 ай бұрын

So you don't put a seamless drive like the 790 in a usb type like position. It's meant to go on the motherboard

What about game load time comparison with other ssd

iv been using a 32gb lexar flash drive for the last 16 years. 🤣🤣🤣 it just wont die.

There is a little misconception. In writesspeed the 980 Pro is 25% slower than the Lexar NM790 or the Lexar NM790 is 33% faster than the 980 Pro.

@qrsimon

2 ай бұрын

Nice

In the end in real life you won't notice the difference in numbers, I think reliability that is tested in time is much more valuable and Samsung has already established that so they can sell their products with a higher margin because of that and people don't mind as long as they know their data is safe. Just my oppinion. Lexar is also a brand name but more established for photo and video storage on other mediums not SSD at least for now.

So new Tech Tester storage review?

Which one is the better choice? (same price) Lexar NM790 or Kingston Fury Renegade?? (Both 2TB for gaming PC,Kingston has DRAM cache but older controller)

@sirdan357

7 ай бұрын

Doubt you would notice a difference for games.

Hello, you advise not to buy. I wanted it for my laptop with a 2060 video card and an AMD 4800N processor. What can you say, is it possible to install a new SSD from Barracuda model 540? Will I get great speed?

Yep nevermind, I decided to skip the Lexar NM790 to NM800 Pro M.2 NVMe Solid State Drive for this time in my opinion, so guess what, sn850x was on the first place when I just bought it on Amazon for the past month, sn850x is on the third place, Adata Legend 960 is on the second place in my opinion, at this point, nm800 pro is a sn850x beater, 990 pro killer or 980 pro killer, lag eliminator and stutter dominator, so that's why nm800 pro is on the first place for now for this time to be honest.

The links show nothing, maybe you need to update the links to buy one. I can't find in the web the product. Instead to continue create content why you just not address the issue in this video and update the links?

Looks like the price is the same for either drive in the US: $160.

i just got one yesturday. 真香呀~ Lexar NM790 2TB：2149 TWD (67.2 USD) @Taiwan

hi bro the Lexar NM790 SSD 4TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 2280 is single sided or double sided?

@rickysoit

8 ай бұрын

it's single sided all

how about nm800 dose it have dram cache

Lexar NM790 only available in the UK

1 Question. For "Normal gaming user" Should I care about DRAM cache ?

@SouLerKunG

Жыл бұрын

@@Kreubs With os = Need DRAM, Just game = Ignore DRAM Thank you

could i partition this drive in half and use a half for system and software and the other half as cache? makes sense?

@stefanhageluken2996

3 ай бұрын

if yyou creatoneed ssped dririve

How about Samsung 990 pro?

Would this work with the PS5?

Unfortunately you didn't check how its temperature rises under stress, nor how it behaves once hot.

Actually i dont really care its DRam less. I will put it in my PC for storage video files. 4tb for 185€ last time i checked it was 179€ very cheap.

Oddly enough, on NVMe 4.0 I can get a 990 Pro for cheaper than both of these models in my country. I'd also look into: - Solidigm P44 Pro (Basically the same as an SK Hynix P41 Platinum, but with better firmware and cheaper, and their new software has updates that now improves performance even more). - Kingston KC3000 - Kingston Fury Renegade - WD Black SN850X

@Waldherz

Жыл бұрын

Dont buy the KC3000. See my other reply about it in the comments.

@Antsog

Жыл бұрын

prb just go for 850x wd have a good reputation for reliability

@doctorno3912

Жыл бұрын

I saw the 990's on sale in Australia a month ago. Pricing had it $20 more to the 980's. If I was currently building my new p.c it would be a no brainer.

@cheng2006

Жыл бұрын

Not sure which country you're in but in Australia the 2tb nm790 is $150. that is way cheaper than any other gen 4 ssd. To compare, 990 pro 2tb is $270, sn850x 2tb was $250.

Any idea about using it in ps5?

Lol, I can find the NM790 for $99 AUD now. 100% no brainer for me

im sorry but pls tell me (for dummies) is this drive a good drive to store and play games from? because 2TB with 1000TB warranty, for that price, sounds realy good tbh. thx for the in depth investigation ^^

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I would say so. And it'd 1500TBW for 2 TB :)

@oginer

Жыл бұрын

You didn't specified if PC or console. It's totally fine on PC, but PS5 doesn't support HMB (not yet at least, but with the influx of new high performance DRAM-less SSD's they may add support), so a DRAM-less SSD like this one may have poor performance on PS5.

@naomy1701

Жыл бұрын

sorry i assumed the base is always PC, unless specified otherwise. first thing i think on when i hear NVMe or SSD or thelike is PC tbh

Hi would this be good to use as my main drive in my laptop for Windows

@theTechNotice

7 ай бұрын

Yes

@killerkitt1992

7 ай бұрын

@theTechNotice thank you also does it have its own v ram ?

That “dramless cache” will be a big problem when the drive starts to fill up.

Won't lose half it's data storage in 2 to 6 months so huge improvement.

@Waldherz

Жыл бұрын

This only affected a very limited number of Samsung drives and was fixed months ago.

@christopherderasmo5041

Жыл бұрын

@@Waldherz Tough, this is their SSD version of the Note 7 fiasco. Many people no longer want ANYTHING to do with Samsung SSDs because of this. That's why older videos of comparisons to Samsung SSDs are blowing up on KZread. SO many people are looking for alternatives that KZread is giving them to everyone. That takes a massive amount of people looking for this to happen.

@Waldherz

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherderasmo5041 True, I took advantage of it. A local store panic sold their 980 pro 1TB for 60€. Bought all 9 he got and threw them at every family device that can take m.2 ssds xd Should outlast the laptops that they are in.

@christopherderasmo5041

Жыл бұрын

@@Waldherz If your lucky enough to not get that fatal problem. I'm not taking that chance with my money.

@Waldherz

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherderasmo5041 There is no luck needed. Take the SSD, update the firmware and thats it. I really dont understand the drama here? Press a button and the problem goes way. I have one of the affected SSDs in my System over 1 year now. No issues. If you have one of them you should have updated the firmware months ago.

SSD SEAGATE ZP2000GM3A013 FIRECUDA 530 2TB NVME PCIE GEN 4.0 X 4 M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 4 NVMe 1.4 M.2 2280-S2 Read : 7,300 MB/s max Write: 6,900 MB/s max Total Bytes Written: 2550 TBW Guarranty : 5 Years This is the fastest NVMe Gen 4 with the highest retudancy 2.55 Petabyte written!!!!

If you are a gamer, don't worry about dram less ssd. It doesn't affect your gaming experience.

4TB variant seems much more reasonably priced compared to 4TB 990 Pro :)

@kattmandu

9 ай бұрын

I would still buy the 990 Pro over this.

@abdelrahmanabdou8905

8 ай бұрын

Are you not afraid of reliability issues associated with 990 pro? I know there's a software update that's fixed it, but I'm still worried

OS drives are a cheat because its likely testing the drive almost empty, difference between high end drives and low end is they retain performance as they fill up.

Hey, i like your channel overall but if you make ssd review temps, throttling, and performance under heavy load\temperature is crucial in anything you mark with "review" words. Just a tip.

Not seeing Lexar NM790 on Amazon or BHP only the Lexar NM800

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

In us comes out later! :)

do not compare DRAM Cache with SLC and host memory bus - absolutely not the same thing at all

@ksenchy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's pretty simple. No dram cache? Don't buy

@gersomyudha282

Жыл бұрын

​@@ksenchy why you need dram nowadays ?

@retrocomputing

Жыл бұрын

@@ksenchy it's not like that anymore. Dram cache isn't needed in faster recent drives

@ksenchy

Жыл бұрын

@@retrocomputing it's there to increase the lifespan of your SSD. You can remove it, but it's gonna die sooner.

@EdmarkVinceVentic

Жыл бұрын

@@ksenchyso this ssd (lexar nm790) doesnt have dram?