It appears to me that games that ban players for "exploiting" do so because they are so embarrassed at their mistakes programming the game. I used to run a couple private servers for games and people would find bugs and flaws they would exploit. I would learn about them and what they were exploiting so I could patch them, but I wouldn't reprimand the player: they found a bug and drew enough attention to it so I could do something about it. Also, my servers didn't really have an economy because there weren't many people playing on them at the time, so I didn't have to worry about one collapsing... I ended up just letting the exploiters keep their goods to give them a bit of a prize for finding the issue and drawing attention to it. Other than that, I've been caught in other games doing far more malicious things than just poking at a quest bug that allowed me to do the same thing over and over and I've gotten much less sentences... even if I threw a cheat engine at the game... The only thing I ever got banned from a game for was telling racist white jokes to my guild in private... I figured since I was white, it wouldn't really be that big of a deal... But nope. Banned for being racist against my own skin color and never for hacking or exploiting.

@WayneTwitch

10 жыл бұрын

yeah I mean come on who in the right mind would find a exploit and not do it

@Eric_Malkav

10 жыл бұрын

White knight gamers, I suppose. ... or big testers. I've bug tested before and reported bugs and exploits. Of course, I was offered things in return for finding the bugs, so the difference between outright bug testing for profit and exploiting something enough to be found out is somewhat fuzzy.

i love watching your ban videos kripp. makes me laugh everytime

Man, kripp in this vid you really need some sleep man.

Also, were the 2 that werent banned had boughten the foudners package?

Banning players for exploiting in-game mechanics is really really questionable. People who do botting, write hacks or actually reverse engineer the game deserve account bans. This is clearly about getting an unfair advantage over other players and should be acted upon. For in-game exploits the situation is different. Either we have a programming bug or balancing issue. It is clearly the developers responsibility to monitor their ingame-economy and address and fix these issues. People who find misbalances or simply find in-game opportunities to "win" at the game should never fear getting a ban for acting upon these opportunities. It shouldn't be the players responsibility to make judgement calls between "this is a good opportunity" and "this is a bannable terms of service offense" when he is simply playing the game. So what should the developer do instead? Embrace the issues, deal with them. Analyse the logs and find out who got EFFECTED (aka the players who used the exploits) by the bugs or balancing issues. See how much the players "gained". Fix their accounts, take away the gold, items etc. they were not meant to have. The process is not that hard and once the issue is found out can probably be automated to a good degree. A in my mind completely different issue that needs to be addressed is dealing with streamers. It is a unique situation: one person is in control of a large group of people and can use their community to gain advantages in game over the other players. Should this be bannable? I'd say generally no. Online games are all about the community. So they should embrace this, expect it from the beginning. If something happens contact the streamers, talk with them directly and not through unpersonal support-tickets, public forums or silent bans. Fix their accounts OR accept they have a unique status and give them "special" accounts, if that's what it takes to balance the game.

@Biblig

10 жыл бұрын

Exploiting is in the terms of service.Breaking the terms of service is a bannable offense,end of story.Dont want to follow there rules dont play there game.

@Cheese-0x

10 жыл бұрын

DjangoEX I'm talking exactly ABOUT the terms of service. And what shouldn't be in there.

@woodinii

10 жыл бұрын

Cheese but it is in there. If you don't like it, don't play there. If they don't have an audience, game either dies or they'll change something until people come back.

@Cheese-0x

10 жыл бұрын

Rei Lumiere I've personally never tried to find or use an exploit myself, nor have I ever violated any games ToS. Maybe I wasn't clear enough: I was talking about the developers perspecitve here, not the gamers perspective.

@woodinii

10 жыл бұрын

Cheese The problem with exploits Cheese is that some are not harmful and some are harmful, but whenever someone finds one, it leads others to believe things like dupping are possible and in some f2p aka p2w games it leads to people somehow abusing some currency that can only be bought with real money and ruins markets and such. Other exploits may lead to doing bosses again with no cd or no pay fee or glitching bosses such that a level 1 could do a level 60 boss, entering new areas and possible having access to new items and just getting an unfair advantage over players. Also someone around here said that GM's always go for people that do exploits and kinda ignore the botting that happens in games. That's not true at all. With pretty much every update, a games` offsets are updated to prevent bots that play the game for someone. It's hard to tell who is a bot and who isn't. Maybe some 12 year old kid is playing that doesn't speak the language so he doesn't read the chat, it would be a bit unfair to just ban him for 3rd party software unless you're sure. Some bots are more obvious than others. it's hard for them to find solution with all the assholes that try to cheat and the people who just try to break the game. But hey, I used to do wow exploration all the time, and never got caught. At the same time, this guy I knew made a dupe of an item in wow and he was always rich in game currency, he eventually got banned, but he even gave me some items and they never tracked me to those items(which definitely gave me an advantage in pve although I didn't make money off of them since they were boe). My opinion is dev's just get fed with all the people trying to exploit so when they see people doing an exploit they just don't wanna play nice anymore so they just start banning.

My friend was banned for farming in never winter doing loot chest runs and collecting profession items and selling them for astral diamonds about 40k an hour he got around 9 million and could basically buy anything i understand this straight FUCKS the economy but seriously its. . . unfair that they ALLOW this to happen up until someone has fun

@Sealguin

10 жыл бұрын

Of course he'd get banned for that. That would stop people from paying money. It's a free to play game, so, you know, MONEY MONEY MONEY OM NOM NOM.

@brenden987

10 жыл бұрын

Its farming though? how is that punishable?

@TacticalGI

10 жыл бұрын

brenden987 Because they don't get their money

@1bluebirdz

9 жыл бұрын

brenden987 The reason is as you stated it would screw the economy in the game up and drive all the prices to ridiculously high prices and everyone who doesn't use this exploit would be fucked to own it, i've seen it happen in many MMO's and the reason they allow it to happen until it gets out of hand is you don't notice it's happening until it gets out of hand...the RESPONSIBLE thing your friend should have did was find this exploit that was not intentional by the game developer REPORTED it and stopped using it.

@brenden987

9 жыл бұрын

1bluebirdz But how do you claim someones intentions? what you've just stated makes no sense. He didn't go outside of the game to cheat. He used what was already available and was banned for it. like in GTA 5 Rockstar banned several people that abused rooftop rumble.

I need help when I got to play never winter I see that the play button is greyed out and I can not play

are you gonna make another account? i love never winter and could use awsome advice

Wow, they never noticed you could auction off for negative prices? That's pretty stupid. Anyway honestly if I were a dev I'd thank people for finding out exploits so that I could then go in and fix them. It's /my/ fault for overlooking that, even if it technically is impossible to make a perfect game. Now, *should* you exploit a game hardcore, not really, but you don't deserved a ban (*especially* a permaban) for it. It's just stupid.

I like to imagine Kripp stoned. Hahahahhahaha

How comes you have no neverwinter vids

does the glitch still work

so the developers are banning people for exploiting something where it is their own fault for making it so damn exploitable? wtf man!?

@derekisazombie39

10 жыл бұрын

Guild Wars 2 will do something similar. If you're caught exploiting to your advantage too much then you will be permanently banned and forced to buy another copy. Although people who found out about some of the exploits didn't get banned. It's just people that overly abuse it. What counts as the ban threshold is unknown though.

I don't consider this an exploit. It's just business. Buying low and selling high. Just because they stupidly put a bug that lowered the prices you shouldn't get banned for it. An exploit would be like in kharazan where you could glitch your way to the prince without killing any other bosses.

Wait, so did kripp do the -30 billion (or w/e amount) astral diamond bid exploit?

Krip is awesome. Love your videos. In my opinion I think your are the best guy that does streaming for the latest games.

posts this video, devs realize how much more he has done banned for 3 more days

you should probably not exploit if you don't want to get banned bro

@998deJ

9 жыл бұрын

Beece Good advice "BRO" *cringes*

@gh382

8 жыл бұрын

+RedPillDestiny guys been banned from pretty much every mmo. its not like he is a real player he exploits everything.

does htis exploit still work?

when i try to play neverwinter ask me one time code what is that plz help me guys

Banning people for using the mechanics of the game as programmed is criminal. It falls under fraud and failure to provide a service already paid for. It is because of tactics like this that I did not buy, and will never buy GW2. I played NW very early on, before that whole negative bid fiasco and found it fun for the first few hours, then just found it boring. It's just another pay to win cash grab that isn't worth the time it takes to install it.

@aidanbanks3809

9 жыл бұрын

TacDyne lmao pay to win, I havent spent a dime and it's all good for me

If you get banned that much maybe you should search for the reason in yourself.

@Darkhorde

10 жыл бұрын

***** Do you do anything besides sit there and ridicule others for posting comments about how your boyfriend fails at games?

Neverwinter was really fun when it first came out. Played the beta and for the next 6 months after it was released. Is it still worth playing? I'm guessing probably not.

@gandolphins2670

7 жыл бұрын

it's fun to play with friends

@aykkara4208

7 жыл бұрын

was playing on ps4, its pretty awesome when you have friends or a group to play with.

@Leonardo-hv6ef

7 жыл бұрын

PvP is awful because of terribly unbalanced pay to win enchantments, but yes, playing with friends is really fun, don't go solo, you will hate it unless you drop money on it. (also theres been an unusual behaviour with textures where they reload when you get even the slightiest lag, and it's really annoying).

Does NW rollback on launch?

420!!

@b7iink11

9 жыл бұрын

Josh Ray What?

@Ghost1170

8 жыл бұрын

BRAZE IT? BRAIZE IT? GRAZE IT? DEFINITELY HAS TO BE PRAISE IT.

You should have never quit WOW... Other games and their companies are clearly all bullshit

@drdre4397

7 жыл бұрын

Tuf I like diablo better than I did wow although I heard the new dlc is good. I got into poe and Victor vran when I quit wow and still play d3 and those today

@Matsenn00

7 жыл бұрын

Blizz is also bullshit, but they are nicer to their Customers.

Where game?

hey kripp are you going to try Rift?

You used to play cool games like MMOs. Now you play that fricken boring Hearthstone

@batusan4927

8 жыл бұрын

MMO's "cool games" nice joke

@drdre4397

7 жыл бұрын

7718 well everyone has a preference. but I would say mmo content is more exciting than hearthstone. I play headstone but really only 10% of the moments in a hearthstone game are like truly wild, personally I like the best of videos for cards instead of 30 minute matches. raids in mmos are always action packed all the way. I will admit outside of the raids or dungeons when your messing around with gear isn't as fun

@M0EJ0EKING

7 жыл бұрын

MMos are just huge maps with mission hubs of fetch quest, boring as fuck. Id rather play solitaire. Oh lets raid the same boring thing 200x for a drop. Fuck that ill play diablo if i want loot.

@CameronWasmund

7 жыл бұрын

The lame shit about it is he went from like 200k to 900k playing Hearthstone so if he stops playing it and goes back to MMOs then those 700k new people are gonna bitch and moan.

@xex2kok

6 жыл бұрын

And krips preference was money and I don't blame him. Hearthstone gave him a ton more viewers.

seriously bro, you deserve all these ban's you keep posting on youtube here, stop exploiting game, if you find an exploit the right this to do is inform someone not just keep exploiting the game till your banned. Have you not learned your lesson yet mate, I guess not, keep exploiting games mate

@Xhristan

10 жыл бұрын

***** In EVERY mmo terms of agreements, they clearly states that if you keep on exploiting with intent you will get banned or given an warning depending on the exploit and how severe. And thats that, since every one agrees instantly without even reading the terms you have nothing on them. But if you only did it ONCE or maybe twice it is for the most part forgiven since then its understand able that you only discovered the exploit, instead of actually abusing the exploit if you get what i mean... The thing is we all have agreed on this and that makes exploiting not defend able.

@ODEelephant

10 жыл бұрын

finaly231 My only issue is the fact that kirpp keep's posting video's about his ban in "x,y,z..." game; doesn't he undersif he find's an exploit to not abuse it muls and just report the issue to someone of authority in the game instead of repeatedly using the exploit then getting banned and posting a video complaining about his ban.

@jaixc

10 жыл бұрын

Mohamed Yousuf Then don't watch the damn video's, it's that simple. "My only issue is the fact that kirpp keep's posting video's about his ban in "x,y,z..." game", that phrase means you've watched quite a bit of his videos, and you're too ignorant to stop watching them, so you keep on complaining about them on nearly every video, and he ignores your comments. LOL Stop typing the obvious as well. I'm sure people know the terms of service of games. And if they don't, they don't care about it. If you've played enough MMO's; anything, whether skill, or vending that can be repeatable, people are going to do it. Even if it's not even an exploit, some little nub can call it "an exploit" and it'll get about a few thousand banned, even if it wasn't intended to be spammed. That's bad programming and poor judgement on the companies behalf blaming thousands for their screw up. I honestly don't think you're a "white collar gamer" or you've actually read all of the terms of service upon every game you've actually played, so stop trying to make yourself look better. Admit you're like everyone else: You download a game, install it, scroll through the TOS, just to hit next.. Install the game, and play it. You don't ever go back and read the terms of service, as it will not pertain to you until you need reading content while on the toilet. Then, and only then will you understand the companies bottom line is money. The term "Open Beta" is a legal term used today to keep their investors happy, making money, but it's still very much broken. For someone to get banned for intentionally breaking their game though, is the companies fault. It's in a beta state. That is what the people do, find crap, report it, and to see if its exploitable, perhaps he was testing the theory? A 72 hour ban is still a bit harsh, that's a good ban provided you're harassing a player but for finding an exploit and testing a theory.I don't believe a perma ban is needed since it was in a beta, and that's what they are there for, to purposely break the game, to stop the exploits from making it to the permanent launch. How can you see if it's an exploit if you don't actually do it? And if they heard about it, it's the companies fault for not paying attention to their logs sooner and patching it. Any good developer or company will admit their faults, fix them, and not punish those that found and abused it.

@Xhristan

10 жыл бұрын

Jaixc. i know, morally this is just bad from the developers but the fact that we just accepts the ToA means we throw all our rights, i think i read it some where that they can really ban you for no reason at all, cause this is what they state in the ToA for example. This account is not your own, we have full controll over it and will do what we want and how we do it is none of your buisness. That is what the ToA can state and if we just blindly accept that and it actually happens, we cant do a thing, only reason with them, they are at the advantage, the only thing you really have controll over is your money. TL;DR After accepting Terms Of Agreement we have no rights(In the Game). But dont take this to literarelly, you have ofc some rights, that is the reason they urge us to read it, cause it tells us what we can do, and what they can do... Even though i will probably not read it anyways...

@GekoHayate

10 жыл бұрын

The guild wars 2 thing was absolute BS though, using karma items to vendor for gold is now a.o.k. Most people use (or used, its been a few months since ive played) karma bought greens to forge (to rares etc) for precursors which are worth thousands of gold... Turning karma into gold generally isn't even that profitable, and it was fairly common practice for a long time, its totally bullshit that that was bannable.

what headphones does krip have on?

Kripp, what do you think of WildStar?

how can you get banned from a beta?

Does he reported the bug or abuse it while streaming?

If you did the Barovia Hunt glitch that was it. They posted that people who did so would be getting bans (paraphrasing)

@Kripparrian I love your videos and this one was pretty fun to see, hate companies playing overlord and ban without proper reason, i started with TL2 now again, tired of MMO right now. Will you go back to PoE now or what is the plan? :)

What a wonderfully accurate analogy. Really gets your point across well. 10/10

how many times do you get banned from games till you understand that its you that fucked up and not them?

I was loving neverwinter, but after the random ban on Kripp and Choi, then possible rollbacks and wipes? I'm not sure if it's worth it to do it all again. Maybe I'll wait until this game gets out of beta, I don't know. I got my yaya's out of it but do I really want to waste more time now? What are you guys going to do? Kripp?

what is wrong with farming/grinding to get to a higher lvl ...

I play honest I will not do it did they fix it yet

How do you get banned from a BETA

Great vid Kripp!

It was regarding the boss issue, Devs responded to a forum post earlier about it.

Exactly what point are you trying to get across here?

Hey bro, I only know you from PoE videos haha. I gave up on path of desync at level 75 :( You still play NW? I'd love playing with you sometimes :)

So how many subscribers did you get from getting banned ? :D

So are you going back to PoE now or what are your plans for now ?

I smile every time he says "knocking monsters off cliffs..."

Hey Kripp are you going to play some Grim Dawn?

my control wizard got deleted because i leveled to 1-18 on a day???

Krippsensei, do u gonna play a bit f2p Rift?

Love the vid! :D

Kripp. i would greatly apreciate it if when you edit vids you could turn up the sound volume a bit. Thank you

love long videos man

i really dont share your passion for exploiting games all day, but i enjoy your stream and your awesome theoricrafting, apart from that, i think thousands of people stopped playing this game because of your ban, you are some kind of an inspiration, i mean at least me and my friends started playing neverwinter cos we were watching your stream

did you watch the video?

Love you Kripp. Please try Dark Souls 3 and do some lets play videos of it. New game so im sure there's plenty of exploits to be found and I've never heard someone get banned from Dark Souls ;)

The devs talked to Totalbuiscit during an interview and they stated that it is possible to knock them of cliffs so that eliminates the knockoff as reason for ban.

haha, some companies and their pr stunts :) It's funny because when Neverwinter Sharandar came out, people were jamming zone chat with "LF3M 3x Control Wizard Malabog's Castle 3/3, must know the jump" I eventually got shown this jump on my CW alt on the second account, and there was a corner you could chain jump up to the top of the map, run across the ceiling, drop down under the map run to the last boss, and kill it safely from underneath. I still don't know for sure what the exploit really was because CW's needed 5 mins to take down the end-boss this way. Anyone could do the jump, but CW dps range was the only viable option. No bans for that as far as I know.

Clever! Thanks for your time.

How is that too much? I have 300k atm (without the exploit that happened) and I don't play nearly as much as kripp and I'm not even up to t2 dungeons yet.

If a cinema leaves a back door open are you allowed to get in and watch the movie without paying?

There's a lot of software that is always testing, and they won't mind if you discover a way to break the rules or "exploit", since that way they can work to fix it, but if no one does, how can they know their software (game, firewalls, antivirus, browsers, shopping apps, etc.) works as intended?

We follow you to the end, Kripp

You sure you didn't exploit the AH AD bug?

Wait so he got perma-banned? I read about one guy who used the AH bug to generate so much AD, he made 6000$ by selling it to real money trade sites and he only got a 72 hr ban.

Apparently you failed to notice smiley in the end.

Good ol' Exploitarrian.

Good job Kripp I'm proud of you man

Still love the work kripp keep it up!

I don't think I ever completed a dungeon without us pushing adds off cliffs. Our guild freaked out when we killed a mini boss sending one dude to a place he shouldn't be surviving and aggroing the boss onto the spikes. I thought it was just clever and I thought our guild leader was being a pussy.

There is already a cash shop so that the open beta will roll over into the release so it is a beta for intensive purposes but it is actually released.

What happened to not talking about fun club? Jeez

yo kripp, OPEN YOUR EYES

Games are more fun if you can exploit them?

I love how I can see where his headphones rest on his hair. Kripp is so great. xD

I could listen to Kripp talk for hours

Can you recomend any other mmorpgs kripp rather than PoE and Neverwinter? Maybe a Top 10? It´s been a nightmare for now a year to find a damn enjoyable-good mmorpg.

10:18 - 11:20 onwards.... congratz... funnier than all the videos on KZread Comedy Week so far :D

are you perma banned from NW?

lol about the economy Kripp, how do you think they should fix the economy in your honest opinion?

Kripp, are you actually reporting those exploits or you're just finding one, then waiting for a while and see if gets fixed and then start using it again?

Kripp, who cuts your hair?

Is this a problem?

Did he actually do it? in this video he specifically says he did not do that. Seeing as he streams all of his gameplay, I doubt he would later lie about it on his youtube channel.

Krip is the most intimate speaker when you're high as fuck

As a computer scientist and part-time programmer I'm amazed every time when Kripp explains exploits in games. I mean beeing able to bid negative values in an auction house? That would probably have been one of the first things I would have tested after building the thing.

hahahahaha dude, do you still sleep? i laughed my ass off as i saw you and heard your voice

You can(or used to be able to) knock monsters off cliffs in Starwars too. They would actually take fall damage like players, so even if they landed on something(and it wasn't an "abyss" style fall) and they fell far enough, they would still die. Not sure if you ever played Starwars or not, but it was ok for the most part. My comp is pretty old so it pooped on it a little bit, took some of the enjoyment out of the game for me, so that and all the people I played with quitting killed it for me.

What games else? I subed a few months ago.

Epic PK drops purple gear each time over half the time it is something that will either sell quickly for a 5-20K due to two piece sets stacking, early cheap needed items for new 60s, or are genuinely good gear that will sell for 40K+ minimum or be something a person will keep.

Glad to see you in poe again :-)

Exlpoitarrian please do an in-depth guide to Torchlight 2

when are you goin back to PoE Kripp?

I was banned like two weeks ago for making the "Melee Grind Gauntlet" map and re-releasing it when it was removed. 72hr I think

1:35 how did that slip in there xD

I can tell that Kripp woke up right before recording this video.

Saw this title and was like "Already?"

1. There is no routine maintenance in GW2. 2. The vender has been there forever, the prices just changed during that patch