Excellent video . Please Send it to neoden as while I have found their machines to be excellent value for money . Tutorials like this are few . Any comments on reflow would be great . My reflow oven from China had hotspots which resulted in many boards burning and bubbling in some areas and not reflowing in others.

thanks a lot I'm from Iran and I'm very keen to establish a workshop for smd assembly This tutorial was very helpful Thank you again.

Hi guys. Thanks for this great video. I have just purchased two Neoden4 machines and I found very little useful tutorials on how to get started. That is - until I found this video. Now things are much clearer to me. I have one request - can you please upload somewhere (so I can download it) the pick'n'place file that you have used in this video (when setting up the components list). It will be very useful to see the exact format of the file, which column should have which information contained in it etc. . I am using Altium Designer and I will need to modify the pick'n'place file manually once I export it so it would be recognised by the Neoden4. Also, a more detailed explanation on how to set up panelized board in Neoden4 would be very helpful. Once again, thanks for this great video. I believe a lot of people who get this machine will find it very helpful. Regards, Phuc

FANTASTIC vid folks... i have been looking around for this kind of vid for long time and bang...there it is. Very detailed over all process. This will help to do my job straight-away. THANKS a lot..!!

Great Video, thanks! thats bad that you didnt show "Vision alignment" fucntion - i use that to check before mounting my coordinates ; "Feeder and nozzle alignment" to reduce time for manual clicking in chip list; working with CAD coordinates and fiducials - i mean how to set up file (without manual alignment) by CAD fiducials and just teach "panel1" to get good accuracy

Hi guys, Could you guys upload a tutorial video on neoden 3v pick&place machine. As this video about neoden 4 was perfectly explained by your expertise. I highly appreciate if you do the same for neoden 3v

Hello, very useful information you posted, please post a video about NeoDen 7. Thanks!!! Regards, David

@wavedistributionusa

4 жыл бұрын

Neoden 7 has been replaced by Neoden 8. We're working on a video and US-based manual.

Have you ever had a problem with it not feeding? I just took delivery and the left side feeders won’t feed and peel at the same time... but do individually

Hey guys, its awesome to see such a comprehensive video put together for this machine. My university is currently looking into purchasing a Neoden 4, but we are doing some research first to ensure it fits our needs. After aligning all of your components, you then set up each of your feeders. Suppose you were to be printing multiple boards, each with the exact same components but with different board designs (such as if a whole class of students designed their own versions of the same circuit). Would it be possible to keep the feeder settings while only changing the CSV/component alignment for each new board design? Or do the feeders have to be set up each time?

@wavedistributionusa

4 жыл бұрын

The feeder settings are part of each program. So if you copy a program and load a new component list in, you have the feeder’s all set up.

@InSearchOfScience

4 жыл бұрын

@@wavedistributionusa Thanks so much!

We are trying to use a device with pads that are under the body but the pads stop short of the devices outline. The 4 C sometimes identifies the body outline but sometimes identifies the edges of the pads. Has anyone got insight into the parameters that would make visual recognition consistent

How do i transfer a csv file from pc to cm245p machine?

Hi, We just purchased a NeoDen4 which arrived on Monday. I have been setting the machine up and initially it worked well, but we have started to notice some errors in its operation. All the problems are with the head operation. 1) Sometimes the downwards facing camera takes a “black” photo (i.e. no image). 2) Sometimes the pick nozzle does not respond. It sometimes is held down and can only be released by turning off the machine. Other times, it does not drop down even when using the manual test mode. 3) Sometimes the downward facing camera flash does not turn off. The flash remains on continually. The other parts of the machine (feeders, peelers, XY movement, rail control, upwards facing camera) all work without issue. Any ideas? It feels like a software/driver bug because sometimes the test buttons in the “manual test“ tab work then just randomly stop working. Phil

@NeodenUSA

2 жыл бұрын

please contact our tech support department via e-mail or telephone for solutions to these concerns - support@neodenusa.com

What I need to do to work with a 1.2m led strip?

@NeodenUSA

5 жыл бұрын

NeoDen 4 with rail system.

What is min pitch for ICs in practice? Does it able to place 0402 correct in 100% cases?

@NeodenUSA

5 жыл бұрын

Minimum pitch is .5 mm, and yes, it can place 0402 correctly 100% of the time all day long.

@magnusotsa6618

4 жыл бұрын

@@NeodenUSA C4 is inclined and R14 is missing... If the guy took that PCB from the machine, as shown, then the failrate is huge and 100% is just false advertisement

@NeodenUSA

4 жыл бұрын

@@magnusotsa6618 The board was taken out of the machine after the very first time a program was run. As with all of these programs and machines, tweaks need to be made to ensure that all of the components are perfectly configured. If we had wanted to for the public, it would’ve been easy to photograph a perfect board that was produced after a few iterations of quality control. Our goal was to give customers an honest impression of the process of programming the machine. Normally, when a board comes out of the machine, one does not hold it up vertically for a camera, which can allow parts to move and fall off. But we did that here. Considering that the video is unretouched, and that this is the first board that machine ever made with the first program it ever received, these results are excellent.

I did everything you did for the special feeders and everything works but the machine only picks parts from the first column. It won’t pick parts down the line

@NeodenUSA

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for leaving a comment! Feel free to reach out to our support department by email or phone and we'll be happy to help.

how to set up custom footprints?

hello neoden, i have to work on one of your SMT machine, i make PCB on PROTEUS software, and generate when finish, a PKP files, for the SMT placement, i'm new on this technology, and need to learn very fast, hope you or other guy's on this forum could answer me as soon as possible, best regards

@wavedistributionusa

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Philippe... you may contact tech support at support@neodentech.com

That alignment setup process looks pretty poorly designed - it would save a lot of time if you could just have "fid" components in the P&P file to indicate the fid positions so everything is offset automatically.

@charliexwallace

5 жыл бұрын

you can have it align the boards to the FIDs, you enter them in the list and then can use the change to current position to align the components, no idea why he's doing that long method. which it does when you put it on the rail too. though he didn't seem to notice C4 didn't place properly! :)

Dear guys, i have problem with neoden4 place component coordination , got error with Y position. i don't know how to do, i already align to correct position,but when running to pick and place got error, please kindly help me, thanks so much.

@wavedistributionusa

4 жыл бұрын

please e-mail us at support (at) neodenusa (dot) com, and we'll gladly help you.

why this matchine is working so slow. please provide me a video link in which it is working faster

@NeodenUSA

5 жыл бұрын

There is a speed control. You can control the speed for each component type. We set it to work at less than top speed for visual clarity.

Where is the software for neoden 4? I bought a new device and I don't know how to program it. Can you send me a software link?

@NeodenUSA

3 жыл бұрын

where did you buy it from?

@woaaaw2446

3 жыл бұрын

@@NeodenUSA from neodentech (china)

@NeodenUSA

3 жыл бұрын

@@woaaaw2446 you'll have to get it from them, then - support@neodentech.com

@woaaaw2446

3 жыл бұрын

@@NeodenUSA Thank you ♥️

Hey guys. Some feeders that are much easier to install and feed would be exceptional. I have been using this NeoDen 4 for 2 years now. In these 2 years I have already had problems with windows xp and video drivers. More recently, it caught fire on one of the hardware boards ! I'm already turning my attention to NeoDen 8, especially for those feeders. I hope the hardware is not the same as the neoden 4 . kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4KcyKeaes-fl6Q.html

Not too bad? R12 .. misaligned, R13 misaligned, C6 misaligned, the IC on the right top half in the air. Try again with another one...

@NeodenUSA

4 жыл бұрын

This was the very first board we ran, that came off of a brand new program. Our goal was to show honestly how close you can get on the first try. Obviously, any serious manufacturer is going to fine-tune placement operations before full production.

@mrechbreger

4 жыл бұрын

@@NeodenUSA for the price of the machine surely okay. But still any of those situations should be taken care about by the manufacturer as far as possible.

@NeodenUSA

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrechbreger You're right. And the next time we do a video, we'll be sure to do that. The user interface is simple, and tweaks/corrections can be made on the fly.

At the end C4 , is not in the center.

What's the cost of this machine

@NeodenUSA

4 жыл бұрын

They start at $10,000

47:51 R14 Missing / C4 Crooked / R13 Only touching one pad / Also a component on the very top left is missing... Also my guy went a bit excess on the solder paste application to give a "best case" demo of this machine.

@NeodenUSA

Жыл бұрын

That was the first board to come out of a new program. With any machine, it is necessary to tweak the program before production, and that result for a first attempt is excellent. As far as solder paste, we used a standard .15mm stencil. Contact us at support@neodenusa.com if you have any further questions!

@BHSAHFAD

Жыл бұрын

@@NeodenUSA how old is the Neoden 4?

I want to visit ur factory

@NeodenUSA

2 жыл бұрын

Which one? China, Europe, USA?

You should get a tripod for your camera.

@NeodenUSA

5 жыл бұрын

Which one? That's a three camera shoot.

@colormaker5070

5 жыл бұрын

A zoom in on the heads was shaky. Its an interesting machine the software needs work and an open source approach would also gain more enthusiasm. Stock in USA?

@NeodenUSA

5 жыл бұрын

They were all pro cameras, one was hand-held, two were on mounts on production-grade stands. The units are in stock in New Jersey and Arizona. The software works flawlessly, and is based on the very stable OEM version of Microsoft Windows XP. Open-source may be considered for future products. You may download the manual for the NeoDen 4 at our website, it has screen grabs from the software and steps you through the process start-to-finish.

@colormaker5070

5 жыл бұрын

Quality was good its was just shaky on the zoom where i was looking for details. mY couligue resquested price sheet but no replay yet. XP is no longer supported will it work win7

@NeodenUSA

5 жыл бұрын

The OS is embedded in the system and included with the Neoden 4, along with a keyboard, mouse and monitor. And external computer is not required. The price sheet is on the website configurator - neodenusa.com/smt-pick-and-place/neoden-4

C4 is rotated :) :-(

Why does your software have a button that changes the interface to Chinese and (here's the stinker!) requires a PASSWORD from SUPPORT to get back to English!?!?!? Who designs in traps like this????

@wavedistributionusa

2 жыл бұрын

"Doctor, it hurts when I go like this" 'Don't go like this' The same is true of your GPS if you change the language. Don't do it, and you won't have a problem. If you inadvertently do it, e-mail support for the password - problem solved. In the meantime, companies the world over are using the Neoden 4 to successfully build boards and make products at a fraction of the cost of going to third-party contract manufacturing.

@Lufteluke

2 жыл бұрын

@@wavedistributionusa Your GPS won't ask for a password to change it back. No-one is disputing that it's a great machine, it's just that it's very intuitive that it'd have a setting that forces you to contact support to undo, especially one that's so prominent. Why not just let you change it back with a similar "English" button? The only thing I can think of is that maybe it costs extra to have an English version? Seems a silly way to solve region-locking though.

@wavedistributionusa

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lufteluke you are absolutely right. And it will be added to the list of requested feature changes for thre next compilation of the control software. In the meantime, folks all around the English-speaking world are using the Neoden 4 to make prototypes, produce boards, build products in-house. The degree of control havcing a Neoden 4 in a SMT production line at this price point is extreemelt empowering to small and mediun size businesses - including mine.

@Lufteluke

2 жыл бұрын

@@wavedistributionusa Absolutely, I'm in awe over how fast and precise those things are, that's why I ended up on this video in the first place

Why is C4 wonky, where is R14, why is R43 on its side, where is R20, vision is enabled for all of these, what gives. Just placed an order for one of these and this video has made me regret that choice. The setup seems to be overly fiddly - like, why is the feeder programmable but not the peeler - why didn't they use regular all in one feeders??! Can the feeders be renamed with a component part number or setup offline? Why the actual F is there a Chinese button if you can't reset the language without a password!!!!!!!! Thats just mental. You guys, Neoden US and EU need to be complaining about these 'features' or they will never be changed.

@NeodenUSA

3 жыл бұрын

We gave a real world, honest depiction of the machine so that customers would be fully informed. In our video, we ran a board with a new setup for the first time. No PNP machine will produce perfect results without tweaking a new program. This is one reasons that contract manufacturers require a significant parts overhead. Feeders require more information to operate, because they have variable pitch. That’s why they are on a digital bus. Peelers are simpler, and therefore aren’t digitally controlled for cost reasons. Regular all in one feeders are more costly and add bulk to a machine. This machine is extremely compact and cost-effective. Feeders are named with their feeder number, and component names can be assigned in individual programs. There is no need to press the button to change the language, so that shouldn't be an issue for you. There are 100's of Neoden 4's in use throughout North America, producing boards successfully for design engineers, small and medium sized businesses, and even hobbyists. The Neoden 4 is rock solid, functional and affordable. We'd be happy to give you a one--one-one demo via Zoom or FaceTime, and answer any. questions you may have.

@brokenworld1

3 жыл бұрын

@@NeodenUSA I appreciate your reply. But you have to admit having a large button to press accidentally, and then require a password from Neoden to change the language back is stupid. And although I respect that you ran the machine as is for the demo. I also have to say that if you cannot achieve great placement results out the box then no body will, perhaps a follow up video to show how the system is tuned to achieve the perfect placement that Neoden market is in order?

@wavedistributionusa

3 жыл бұрын

Stupid is as stupid does - don't accidentally press the large button! ;-) You *can* achieve great results right out of the box, like anything having to do with SMT production you have to tweak and adjust the CSV file exported from your CAD program, run a test board and then you're good to go. While you say you just placed an order for one, we do not show you in our system. We'd be happy to discuss this further, and answer any additional questions you may have. And, as previously offered, we can run a live demo for you via Zoom or FaceTime, and show you how the system is fine-tuned to achieve perfect placement.

@brokenworld1

3 жыл бұрын

@@wavedistributionusa I like the reply. I ordered from Neoden UK, order paid this morning, we aren't all in the land of the free :) I guess although honest this perhaps isn't a video highlighting great performance. Missing or missplaced components isn't what o wanted to see. I will of course make sure not to accidentally hit the huge Chinese button but you have got to admit that is a design flaw. Surly you guys can make some suggestions to Neoden.

@wavedistributionusa

3 жыл бұрын

@@brokenworld1 We can make a video highlighting great performance, once we finish the S1 and Neoden 8 videos. We make suggestions to Neoden China all the time - some they embrace, some they do not, but thanks for bringing it up. We will continue to work with them to improve all aspects of the end-user experience.

Hi guys. Thanks for this great video. I have just purchased two Neoden4 machines and I found very little useful tutorials on how to get started. That is - until I found this video. Now things are much clearer to me. I have one request - can you please upload somewhere (so I can download it) the pick'n'place file that you have used in this video (when setting up the components list). It will be very useful to see the exact format of the file, which column should have which information contained in it etc. . I am using Altium Designer and I will need to modify the pick'n'place file manually once I export it so it would be recognised by the Neoden4. Also, a more detailed explanation on how to set up panelized board in Neoden4 would be very helpful. Once again, thanks for this great video. I believe a lot of people who get this machine will find it very helpful. Regards, Bor

@NeodenUSA

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Bor... e-mail us at info at neodenusa dot com with your request for the file, and we will e-mail you a copy of it. A more detailed explanation of how to set up a panelized board is in the Owner's Manual we re-wrote, available for download at our website - neodenusa.com/media/wysiwyg/pdfs/Neoden_4_Manual_1_0.pdf