Neanderthals: The First Sailors?

How long have humans been sailing? What's the oldest boat in the world? Who am I? Find out here in part 3 of Operation Odysseus!
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Sources:
Anderson, Romola, and R. C. Anderson. A Short History of the Sailing Ship. Newton Abbot, 2003.
Clarkson, Chris, et al. "Human Occupation of Northern Australia by 65,000 Years Ago." Nature, vol. 547, no. 7663, 2017, pp. 306-310O. elibrary, explore.proquest.com/document..., doi:dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature22968.
Ferentinos, George, et al. “Early Seafaring Activity in the Southern Ionian Islands, Mediterranean Sea.” Journal of Archaeological Science, vol. 39, no. 7, 2012, pp. 2167-2176., doi:10.1016/j.jas.2012.01.032.
McGrail Seán. Boats of the World: from the Stone Age to Medieval Times. Oxford Univ. Press, 2009.
Morwood, M. J., Osullivan, P. B., Aziz, F., & Raza, A. (1998). Fission-track ages of stone tools and fossils on the east Indonesian island of Flores. Nature, 392(6672), 173-176. doi:10.1038/32401
Pearson, Michael Parker. English Heritage Book of Bronze Age Britain. Batsford U.a., 2000.
Podany, Amanda H. The Ancient Near East: a Very Short Introduction. Oxford University Press, 2014.
Strasser, Thomas F., et al. “Dating Palaeolithic Sites in Southwestern Crete, Greece.” Journal of Quaternary Science, vol. 26, no. 5, 2011, pp. 553-560., doi:10.1002/jqs.1482.
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Image Attributions:
Roy & Danielle, Peruvian fishing boats, CC BY 2.0
Andreas Mensert, Imm023 14, CC BY-SA 3.0
Berthold Werner, Gizeh Sonnenbarke BW 2, CC BY-SA 3.0
Jamie Campbell from Emsworth (nr Portsmouth), U.K, HMS Victory - bow, CC BY 2.0
Original by [[:en:User:Andrei Nacu]], edits by Jeff Dahl, Egypt NK edit, CC BY-SA 3.0
Marcus Cyron, Head of a King's statue Ägyptisches Museum Berlin, CC BY-SA 3.0
Nina at the Norwegian bokmål language Wikipedia, Kheops-Pyramid, CC BY-SA 3.0
Ovedc, By ovedc - Khufu ship - 19, CC BY-SA 4.0
Ovedc, By ovedc - Khufu ship - 16, CC BY-SA 4.0
anonymous, Boomstamkano van Pesse, Drents Museum, 1955-VIII-2, CC BY 3.0
Aleksander Dragnes from Oslo, Norway, Petroglyphs in Gobustan 09, CC BY 2.0
Azeri, Ancient Azerbaijan 4, CC BY-SA 3.0
Maximilian Dörrbecker (Chumwa), Blank map of Sunda and Sahul, CC BY-SA 3.0
anonymous, Map-of-human-migrations, CC BY-SA 3.0
Didier Descouens, Biface Noulet Infernet MHNT PRE 2013 0 525, CC BY-SA 4.0
Luna04, Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, CC BY-SA 3.0
Ryan Somma, Homo floresiensis, CC BY-SA 2.0
Cicero Moraes et alii, Homo floresiensis v 2-0, CC BY 4.0
reconstruction by W. Schnaubelt & N. Kieser (Atelier WILD LIFE ART) Homo_erectus.JPG: photographed by User:Lillyundfreya, Homo erectus new, CC BY-SA 3.0
Siona Watson, Handmade fruit fudge squares, CC BY 2.0

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  • @StefanMilo
    @StefanMilo5 жыл бұрын

    Check out the rest of Operation Odysseus here: kzread.info/head/PLDb22nlVXGgd2rdNu1C44t-hoYXA9bL2M Big thanks to everyone involved, especially The Armchair Historian and OSP as they've been the driving force behind all this!

  • @harleyjudy2850

    @harleyjudy2850

    5 жыл бұрын

    hey I am no geologist but flores was connected In a large landmass and all the islands in the east indies that is how they got there

  • @antonioj123

    @antonioj123

    5 жыл бұрын

    To my recollection, we have never had anyone swept up in a storm from one land to another land unless they were in a boat. And even people who swam the channel have to know how to swim and learn how to swim for endurance. But say one person made it, you still need the opposite sex to make another Homo Erectus. So the possibility of several were swept up by a storm to another land and that there were at least a couple of females is kind of far fetched... they most likely got to the Flores Island by boat. It's more possible that they learned how to fish, then made rafts to venture out not far from the shore to catch fish and then soon after that created better boats to get around better and safer just for purpose of catching fish. In that case, I can see how some may have ventured too far into the ocean. You may have had 10s of 1000s of years of Homo Erectus using boats to fish and some got lost and ended on Flores while many more over the years perished sailing into the ocean.

  • @harleyjudy2850

    @harleyjudy2850

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@antonioj123hey you do realise that there was no water between the land masses back then just go watch TreytheExplainers video homo florenses could have walked when migrating

  • @antonioj123

    @antonioj123

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@harleyjudy2850 Walking across a land bridge is one theory that we hear but with the discovery of tools for butchering large animals dating back 600,000 to 700,000 years in the Philipines, it's pretty clear that waterways were not a barrier for Homo Erectus.

  • @voornaam3191

    @voornaam3191

    5 жыл бұрын

    Two things you might like. Pesse Canoe has been tested.The archeologists built a replica and found a canoe sprinter to try it. Conclusion: it's a very small boat, and waves are a problem, but you can use it on calm water. Sorry I lost my proof. It really happened, but I'm afraid the only way to check it, is going to Assen and search libraries and archives. Perhaps there's more online now. The other thing is about Neanderthal man. Again I got no link here, but this one you can check on KZread. There is a KZread movie about different kinds of humans, telling that there is a mistake about Neanderthal people. If you think they were not smart, you're wrong. And why? This man shows the skull of a Neanderthal man, and a human. And he tells, research proofs that the Neanderthal brain is actually bigger than the modern human brain. Then you can make a joke, yes, if you're stupid, you need a bigger brain. What I think is, wait a minute, do they smell better (bigger nose I mean, not Neanderthal No. 9) and need more brain for smell, or another sense? That's just my ideas, meanwhile those guys might have died for other reasons. The funny thing is, Neanderthal DNA is found in lots of humans. Said the archeologist, or how are these guys called. Paleontologist? However, you said Neanderthal people were quite smart, that was proofed correct, and that one you can check on KZread. The oldfashioned idea of losers is not right.

  • @bruceparr1678
    @bruceparr16785 жыл бұрын

    Back in WW2 an Australian commando "who was the last survivor of a raid on a Japanese base somewhere north of New Guinea" escaped by making a multi day journey, paddling a stolen gangplank, across the ocean. I am sure our forebears could have made similar journeys.

  • @Mary-nt5fv

    @Mary-nt5fv

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was going to say, the first 'boat' was an unworked log, which was good enough to reach Crete, Flores, etc. And within reach of any hominid not deathly afraid of water. The rest is incremental improvements on the floating log.

  • @capnam_12

    @capnam_12

    2 жыл бұрын

    This seems, to me at least, one of the most realistic theories.

  • @juwebles4352

    @juwebles4352

    2 жыл бұрын

    especially when you consider that some native american tribes traveled west across the pacific to Hokkaido (northernmost island of japan) where they inter-bred with the native ainu people, naval trips are not necessarily impacted by a lack of naval technology

  • @BrazilianImperialist

    @BrazilianImperialist

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Mary-nt5fv They could have swimmed too

  • @BrazilianImperialist

    @BrazilianImperialist

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@juwebles4352 No they didn't

  • @MediaFaust
    @MediaFaust5 жыл бұрын

    I'm Norwegian. For various reasons, Norwegians have some history with boats. Invariably, there will be discussion. Whence? When? How? We should start by considering the distinction between "discovery" and "invention". If people are living near some body of water, it's almost inevitable that they will discover floating devices. Then the clever ones go to work. Anyone who's ever been out on a boat have noticed the push and pull of the wind. Which is why sailing is a thing you discover but rigging a thing you invent. So the question is really one about how long humans -- and other hominids -- have had the ability to discover things that work, then go on to improve them through a process of invention. In my opinion, if you understand enough to make a hunting spear, you understand enough to rig a sail. Hypothetically speaking. Evidence is of course a whole other issue.

  • @dinarusso3320

    @dinarusso3320

    5 жыл бұрын

    MediaFaust Vikings, in my opinion, made the best quality ships!!

  • @beautifuldreamer3991

    @beautifuldreamer3991

    5 жыл бұрын

    Neanderthals were very smart. They don't die out.they evolved to present day.

  • @beautifuldreamer3991

    @beautifuldreamer3991

    5 жыл бұрын

    Neanderthals were very smart. They did not die out,they evolved into today's modern Europeans. Look at Neanderthals and look at today's European. You can't miss the resemblance. Red HAIR,blue eyes,freckles....all neanderthal. A superior immune system....however they also had depression. Yes,they could speak and standards of beauty were different back then.....they were,as today....considered beautiful.

  • @thedeathwobblechannel6539

    @thedeathwobblechannel6539

    4 жыл бұрын

    if you can cut and smooth and straighten a spear, you have most of the skills to make a small boat or canoe.

  • @joshpullman1690

    @joshpullman1690

    4 жыл бұрын

    You are totally right. Kids all over the world who live near water play with a multitude of floating objects, I think it is the most natural thing to lash objects together into rafts, obviously we have no evidence of ropes, but rafts, dugouts, punts, these are basic watercraft seen again and again evolving independently around the world.

  • @EpimetheusHistory
    @EpimetheusHistory5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video-those first voyages were surely some epic adventures.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh yeah, for sure! Must have been extremely dangerous crossing the sea in those little boats.

  • @thedeathwobblechannel6539

    @thedeathwobblechannel6539

    4 жыл бұрын

    they were like "here hold my flint axe"

  • @Chrmngblly

    @Chrmngblly

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@thedeathwobblechannel6539 They used fire for their heavy boat building work---just like the American Indians. I am sure the average Neanderthal learned to sail to get to the fish, initially, and then became a solid coastal sailor. Discovery is a human trait, isn't it?

  • @TheArmchairHistorian
    @TheArmchairHistorian5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome job Stefan! Hilarious intro lol. By the way, where did you shoot this video at?

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Behind a crab fisherman's warehouse in Garibaldi, Oregon.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ha, I get that all the time. I'm actually from Britain but somewhere along the road my accent got messed up. I've lived abroad for almost 5 years and my wife's American so that probably did it :/

  • @joebowden4065

    @joebowden4065

    5 жыл бұрын

    Stefan Milo I knew you were British but you do have a strange accent

  • @djstona5284

    @djstona5284

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StefanMilo its reet lad alot of americans think my accents scottish ( yorkshire)

  • @colinp2238

    @colinp2238

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@djstona5284 Just tell em tha's a Viking sithee.

  • @HistoryTime
    @HistoryTime5 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely smashed it with this one. Great stuff

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man! I had to just to keep up with you guys!

  • @rykozmin

    @rykozmin

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great recognises great

  • @mrblack1246
    @mrblack12464 жыл бұрын

    U can tell this man LOVES his job. U can tell by the relaxed posture he carries during the interview.

  • @dankrhino

    @dankrhino

    Жыл бұрын

    Lil weed helps ;)

  • @akiranara9392
    @akiranara9392 Жыл бұрын

    In Japan, Izu Sojin (indigenous ancestor before Jomon people) 's sailing activity for collecting obsidians from Kouzujima island (far more than 25km) was confirmed time period since 38,000 BP. Kouzujima obsidians, very good quality, are found in mainland sites and analyzed scientifically to decide the place for those samples. Specific those obsidians had been exchanged vastly at that era.

  • @ZohairRazaa
    @ZohairRazaa2 жыл бұрын

    Stefan is the kind of chilled out history geek I dream to be one day.

  • @Fredrikschou
    @Fredrikschou5 жыл бұрын

    Stone tools dating back 1 mio. years have been found on the island of Flores, which was an island throughout the entire ice age, so the ability to cross bodies of water was definately present back then. Remember to take into account that the sea level was much lower, which would make a crossing from present day Java (which was landlocked with south east Asia) to Bali, Lombok, Flores and Timor possible, without loosing sight of land ( at least for a disturbingly long time) GIven that islands such as Sulawesi and New Guinea has had very little archeology done compared to many other places in the world, it is entirely possible that a single new find can shake our understanding of this distant past entirely. Consider the denisovan link, which was entirely unknown a few years ago, and now it explaines much of the migration routes of the first australians and solomon islanders- perhaps they followed already established routes?

  • @Hat-

    @Hat-

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's crazy how fast we could (probably) develop boats that early out of Africa.

  • @francisdexaviermaurinus4695

    @francisdexaviermaurinus4695

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rafts ar at least 5 times easer than boats. I have no doubts that raft were done 100,000 years. However for a man build a raft it requires some tradition building houses either on trees ot land on a similar material Skins, straw or wood.

  • @ericsalles3393

    @ericsalles3393

    3 жыл бұрын

    They could walk on the ice

  • @mpetersen6

    @mpetersen6

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ericsalles3393 Yup. That ice had to be meters thick within 9° of the Equator. Even during the glacial maximum there were still tropical zones with jungles

  • @bellakaldera3305

    @bellakaldera3305

    3 жыл бұрын

    Could sea levels have been considerably lower when the ancestors of Floriensis arrived on Flores?

  • @johngrill9951
    @johngrill99515 жыл бұрын

    Overall the video is sound, and it's great to actually see the person behind the video. This is a great mini-documentary format, and your a funny guy. I can see this channel going far.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I appreciate you saying that. I'll just keep trying to make better videos. I enjoy doing it, so whatever happens, happens.

  • @TSBoncompte

    @TSBoncompte

    5 жыл бұрын

    agreed

  • @lunarink2142
    @lunarink21425 жыл бұрын

    What's with all this hidden potential I'm just now finding?!

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ha that's very kind of you!

  • @thaddeuskyle572

    @thaddeuskyle572

    5 жыл бұрын

    I love small channels. I've found so many that have so much potential but haven't been noticed yet.

  • @marshmallowmonster7731

    @marshmallowmonster7731

    4 жыл бұрын

    This isn't even his final form :)

  • @transporterIII

    @transporterIII

    4 жыл бұрын

    The internet is blowing up the monopolies on information, congrats on your awakening! #specieswithamnesia

  • @Suibhne
    @Suibhne5 жыл бұрын

    Great little intro! And great video!

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man, I appreciate that!

  • @gafeleon9032
    @gafeleon90325 жыл бұрын

    This Operation Odysseus is going to help grow your channel a lot, great stuff

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I'm really lucky they let me take part.

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's really underrated!

  • @arthas640

    @arthas640

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm still making my way through all the Operation Odysseus videos, but it has to be my all time favorite crossover event on KZread.

  • @jacobrosewater8811
    @jacobrosewater88115 жыл бұрын

    How did I only just discover this channel? The quality is fantastic and the style unique

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Cheers, that's very kind of you.

  • @MegaStrangeFace
    @MegaStrangeFace5 жыл бұрын

    Oh man operation odysseus showing me so many new great channels

  • @arthas640

    @arthas640

    4 жыл бұрын

    Operation Odysseus for me at least was like the start of the MCU and the first Avengers movie. I noticed channels advertising the joint operation, some of my favorite channels joining forces and teaming up with channels I'd never hearf of before, and climaxing with this amazing series.

  • @MarcoMeerman
    @MarcoMeerman3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making archeology accesible with some lightheartedness, humor and science.

  • @FunionKnight
    @FunionKnight5 жыл бұрын

    Honestly digging the conversation esc feeling this video is giving since you're just chilling explaining everything on camera. Definitely learned something fascinating today.

  • @derlinclaire1778
    @derlinclaire17785 жыл бұрын

    When I was a kid years ago,one time I read of Australia being described as an"Island-Continent",because it,s both the largest idland,and the smallest continent all at once.

  • @BrazilianImperialist

    @BrazilianImperialist

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is bigger than Europe

  • @lilout3447

    @lilout3447

    2 жыл бұрын

    Australia isn’t a continent

  • @shawnmcmullan5457

    @shawnmcmullan5457

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lilout3447 Australia is a continent . It's a island continent cause it's totally sorounded by water.

  • @lilout3447

    @lilout3447

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shawnmcmullan5457 australia is an island and it’s a country; it is part of oceania which is a continent

  • @lumethecrow2632

    @lumethecrow2632

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lilout3447 Exactly

  • @Paul-ou1rx
    @Paul-ou1rx4 жыл бұрын

    According to the History Channel, those stone carvings of "boats" are clearly UFOs.

  • @Tipi_Dan

    @Tipi_Dan

    4 жыл бұрын

    They were USOs.

  • @piperar2014

    @piperar2014

    4 жыл бұрын

    Unidentified floating objects

  • @jonnyaxelsson9940

    @jonnyaxelsson9940

    3 жыл бұрын

    According to the "History Channel"

  • @skaldlouiscyphre2453

    @skaldlouiscyphre2453

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm not saying it was aliens. But it was aliens.

  • @jackvoss175

    @jackvoss175

    2 жыл бұрын

    The History Channel is a casualty of stupidity. Could have been a tremendous resource. But, in reality, the KIDS channel surpasses it. sigh

  • @jessicamoores181
    @jessicamoores1814 жыл бұрын

    Very Nicely Done! History lessons Rock! Thank You for taking the time to teach us. Gods Speed in All You do❤️

  • @jomolololo4398
    @jomolololo43985 жыл бұрын

    Your style is different comapred to the other hsitory channels , but it feels more inclusive , great work , already suscribed 👌

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I try to keep it pretty casual. I'm just a guy that owns a camera. Lots more videos to come!

  • @twilightgardenspresentatio6384

    @twilightgardenspresentatio6384

    4 жыл бұрын

    Inclusive? Of who?

  • @jangamaster8677
    @jangamaster86775 жыл бұрын

    Found your channel from Operation Odysseus and subscribed. Loving the collaboration between y’all!!

  • @kurtjohnson4816
    @kurtjohnson48162 жыл бұрын

    Great stuff, as usual. Solid historical content delivered with humor and personality.

  • @Hanesboi
    @Hanesboi5 жыл бұрын

    Me at the start of the video: Probably a bit before the bronze age collapse. Me at the middle of the video: 30,000 years! Whu-what?! Me at the end of the video: 1,000,000 years! HOLY crap how is that possible?! I can't believe this if a 10,000 year old boat was a tiny canoe! Then again, technology progressed much slower then but it goes faster as time goes (For example it took humans around 3.7 million years to control and make fires, 290,000 years later came agriculture, 6000 years later came literature and so on.)

  • @kapitainnemoder5

    @kapitainnemoder5

    5 жыл бұрын

    Canoes are used up until today....

  • @arthas640

    @arthas640

    5 жыл бұрын

    that's why i laways find it odd why sci-fi shows will sometimes have ships or weapons that are decades or centuries old that still woork great against enemies with "modern" weapons. Tech movies faster and faster at a near exponential rate. a rifle from 1800 wasnt that much worse than a 1900 rifle but a 1900 rifle doesnt compete against a 2000's rifle. This is even more apparent with larger/more complicated tools like ships, where without regular upgrades a ship becomes outdated in a few decades. Also, there are some theories that humans wouldnt even need a super complicated boat, even just a raft might work. Some animals have been transported hundreds of miles on "rafts" of tangled trees after major storms and wind up being blown to islands. A few years ago after one of the regular hurricanes in the Caribbean some iguanas were blown to an island hundreds of miles away where there were no large reptiles, including iguanas. Basically storm hits > humans grab onto floating trees to avoid drowning > human floats to island and settles down. S it's at least possible, if unlikely, that humans could sail a fair distance with very primitive tools using a simple raft.

  • @arthas640

    @arthas640

    5 жыл бұрын

    its crazy how fast technology is moving; my grandmother was born in a tiny wooden farmhouse, barely more than a cabin or shack, that didnt have electricity or indoor plumbing, and she died in a house with a wifi security system connected to our smartphones and she even got to have her carpet cleaned by a robot (Roomba). My dad was born when consumer electronics were jsut becoming common, witnessed the moon landing and the dotcom bubble, and smart appliances and before he dies he'll probably witness us landing on Mars and he'll probably get to see the rise of quantum computers.

  • @SuperChimcham

    @SuperChimcham

    4 жыл бұрын

    epic_Awesome Gameplays how do you know that?

  • @francisdexaviermaurinus4695

    @francisdexaviermaurinus4695

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@arthas640 if you have a cutting tool and you build huts or any cover with wood, grass or skin. You will notice that it floats. And it is called raft. Raft are at least 5 times (memories from my younger days) than canoes.

  • @luxvult5202
    @luxvult52025 жыл бұрын

    Thanks to operation odisseus i discovered your channel, subscribed!.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Glad to have you on board!

  • @gafeleon9032

    @gafeleon9032

    5 жыл бұрын

    Me too

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Cheers man!

  • @greenjack1959l
    @greenjack1959l2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Stefan. Loving your work, please keep it coming, you make history entertaining, as it should be.

  • @JustArtsCreations
    @JustArtsCreations4 жыл бұрын

    or maybe both indeed! honestly, this channel is very quickly becoming my favourite!! awesome work!

  • @kyjo72682
    @kyjo726825 жыл бұрын

    6:51 Sea levels were much lower during ice age. Down to -130 m during last glacial maximum. Many of those islands in Indonesia were actually part of a single continent (Sunda). And distances between remaining islands would have been much shorter, probably crossable on simple rafts.

  • @beowulf1312

    @beowulf1312

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, exactly. Shallow seas that could be crossed by small boats drifting with currents and supplemented with paddling.

  • @MrNTF-vi2qc

    @MrNTF-vi2qc

    Жыл бұрын

    Still an incredible invention.

  • @JamesPoorethe1
    @JamesPoorethe15 жыл бұрын

    University of Sheffield! Represent. Great video, thank you.

  • @fuzzyboon9069
    @fuzzyboon9069 Жыл бұрын

    I love these types of videos! Educational, well researched, and engaging

  • @kirstenwhitworth8079
    @kirstenwhitworth80795 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video! Thanks. I found your channel via the Operation Odysseus playlist, and subscribed.

  • @Xguy890
    @Xguy8905 жыл бұрын

    in the Philippines Archaeologist have found a HUMAN REMAINS In The Palawan Caves They SAY It is 700,000 B.C....That is What Thee Saying It is....

  • @mongolchiuud8931

    @mongolchiuud8931

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not us(Homo Sapiens) the bones were of homo-erectus.

  • @matthew9256
    @matthew92565 жыл бұрын

    Hopefully this invite helps your channel grow some more. Bit of a sin how few views some of your other videos have. Also, one thing I was wondering is how important sailing was to some of these groups. Because some of the earliest designs for boats do seem fairly complex. So do you think sailing would have been common enough for these tribes that it was passed down through the generations? And is anything known about how they navigated? Or did they legitimately just float around like a bunch of turds in the swimming baths.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man! I'm sure it was important to them as fishing was a big source of food to a lot of stone age people. As for how they navigated we'll never know. There's no reason to think that they were any more stupid than us though and considering they spent every night of their lives under the stars with no light pollution they'd have been really familiar with the position of the stars.

  • @Actiaeon
    @Actiaeon5 жыл бұрын

    Great video, I just been binging your other videos I definitely am subscribing. Keep it up I’m glad they included you in the group as otherwise I would not have found out about you.

  • @georgeevans5192
    @georgeevans51925 жыл бұрын

    This was great Stef. Thoroughly enjoyed it

  • @shiron222
    @shiron2225 жыл бұрын

    That Sub count is cute, but if your presentation is anything to go by it's gonna grow.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fingers crossed

  • @arthas640

    @arthas640

    5 жыл бұрын

    I love your avatar pic, it's a great version of RD!

  • @rameyzamora1018
    @rameyzamora10185 жыл бұрын

    Caution, Stefan!! Don't ever say "we will never know" 'cause my bet is that we will, no matter what we're talking about. Great videos, glad I found your channel.

  • @BaconNCereal

    @BaconNCereal

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ramey Zamora no some things are just lost to time

  • @rondonalves2897

    @rondonalves2897

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@BaconNCereal wait until the moment archeologist start to find things on the sea where it was terrains that connect what today there are islands.

  • @andrewsallans589
    @andrewsallans5895 жыл бұрын

    I've been looking for a great channel for a long time now, I'm glad the algorithm has selected you as the chosen one. The Neanderthal series is the best!

  • @kristofwynants
    @kristofwynants3 жыл бұрын

    I've actually seen it twice now. Facinating topics, one of my favorite chaannels. Keep it ehm..., up!

  • @IsAcRafT
    @IsAcRafT5 жыл бұрын

    A new subscriber has arrived.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Welcome!

  • @ChipmunkRapidsMadMan1869
    @ChipmunkRapidsMadMan18695 жыл бұрын

    We've been sailing longer than we've been writing. Translation: We've been playing hooky from school to play in the water loooooong before Tom Sawyer.

  • @NathanDudani

    @NathanDudani

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lmao

  • @crashmoar290
    @crashmoar2905 жыл бұрын

    Wow. Great subject! I was recommended this in my feed. I am subscribed to Armchair Historian but none of the other channels in this collaboration. This is great finding all these channels at once. Also Madjedbebe.

  • @bradjohnson4787
    @bradjohnson47872 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy your channel thoughtful, well researched, and well presented!

  • @ThisisBarris
    @ThisisBarris5 жыл бұрын

    Stefan, that intro was brilliant. And as an avid sailor, I am glad you talked about this, I'll go and flaunt to my sailing group with all that new knowledge now hehe Also I am so glad you are starting to get the recognition you deserve with this invitation. Keep it up!

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man, you know despite Britain being an island, I think the French are more enthusiastic sailors.

  • @ThisisBarris

    @ThisisBarris

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StefanMilo I think it's because stronger prevailing winds since a large part of our coastline is in the Atlantic. Also, here in the South, the fact that the water is warmer definitely helps! haha

  • @georgehunter2813
    @georgehunter28135 жыл бұрын

    You have a very credible masculine voice. It's pleasing to hear and easy to listen to unlike those robo-narrations some authors use.

  • @twilightgardenspresentatio6384

    @twilightgardenspresentatio6384

    4 жыл бұрын

    George Hunter I don’t like when you include errors. It’s not as much funny as amateur

  • @Hat-

    @Hat-

    4 жыл бұрын

    Twilight Gardens presentations There is no errors in this post. At least none that I can see.

  • @konstantinorevic7754
    @konstantinorevic77544 жыл бұрын

    Pogledao sam mnogo tvojih snimaka i sve mi sumnjivo, sve imam osecaj da si nekako "blizak", i sad vidim prezime hahaha super snimke pravis, samo napred! :)

  • @forgisation
    @forgisation4 жыл бұрын

    Great job mate ! You have a great flow, really enjoy your work !

  • @iammrbeat
    @iammrbeat5 жыл бұрын

    Holy crap. Great video. But.....you call Australia AN ISLAND?!?

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well I mean it's rock, surrounded by water, need a boat to get there, fits my criteria of island. I'll grant you its bigger than average though lol. (Before anyone flips out I'm aware Australia is a continent, THE PRESSURE GOT TO ME GUYS!)

  • @dinosaurusrex1482

    @dinosaurusrex1482

    5 жыл бұрын

    Australia: the largest prison island in the world.

  • @CogitoEdu

    @CogitoEdu

    5 жыл бұрын

    Australia is king of the islands.

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StefanMilo A lot of people agree that's it is an island, actually. I get angry comments on my videos. lol

  • @kyjo72682

    @kyjo72682

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Brett Spencer Eurasia's bigger. ;)

  • @kaisersingh5827
    @kaisersingh58275 жыл бұрын

    Epimetheus sent me here

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for coming, I love Epimetheus' videos!

  • @ralfgroh5967
    @ralfgroh59673 жыл бұрын

    Really love your presentation; keep it up. Thanks!

  • @adrasthe314
    @adrasthe3145 жыл бұрын

    I can't thank enough the dude that had the idea of making this operation odysseus event bc honnestly I'm having an amazing time on your channel so far, you definetly gained a new subscriber today!

  • @sweetkano
    @sweetkano5 жыл бұрын

    Reppin the Sheffield Uni Shirt Love it =]

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah loved my time at Sheffield! I'm actually giving one of my professors a shout out in the next video.

  • @marcatteberry1361
    @marcatteberry13615 жыл бұрын

    Skiddley Doo and Fish and Chips? I'm in.

  • @henrybadd5866
    @henrybadd58665 жыл бұрын

    Well delivered my friend. Your research seams solid. Great job!

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @Sarcaman
    @Sarcaman3 жыл бұрын

    Stumbling across your channel has been the greatest thing to happen to my KZread algorithm. A reasoned and informed discussion, that doesn't suggest at the first stumbling block that its actually all aliens.

  • @Schmidty1
    @Schmidty15 жыл бұрын

    Omg I died laughing for 5 min with the Steven Crowder reference!

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    He's the go to meme for unfounded opinions!

  • @Schmidty1

    @Schmidty1

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StefanMilo true, he is one of the biggest idiots there is!

  • @Packless1
    @Packless15 жыл бұрын

    2:30 ...there are bigger model-ships...! 4:00 ...how long did they sail...? i.m.o. as mentioned for VERY long...! Some ancient primeval hominide might once clinched to some floating tree to escape predators might have started it...!

  • @NickMattia44
    @NickMattia445 жыл бұрын

    Now this is a topic I would have never thought about. Wow. Incredible video my friend :)

  • @smfranklin007
    @smfranklin0075 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoy your videos. Very informative without getting overly academic. Keep on keeping on! P.S. also enjoy the humour!

  • @Iarlen
    @Iarlen5 жыл бұрын

    Isn't it highly possible that Erectus got to florensis but not australia because water levels were different during preceding ice ages and such things, so that they were actually connected by land but australia was simply not?

  • @Astyanaz

    @Astyanaz

    5 жыл бұрын

    I haven't seen the maps but it seems there could be a chance. Also, if closer, it would have been easier to accidentally float there on vegetation.

  • @Keranu
    @Keranu5 жыл бұрын

    The more interesting question is how long can Stefan go without smiling?

  • @NorthworthySagasStories
    @NorthworthySagasStories5 жыл бұрын

    Very cool video Stefan! This is a subject that I've often thought about and nice to see some content on how long humans have been sailing. Looking forward to checking out more content from #operationodysseus. Bragi

  • @bremdamiller3629
    @bremdamiller36295 жыл бұрын

    Just found your channel and it looks awesome can't wait to watch your other videos.

  • @someotherwag
    @someotherwag5 жыл бұрын

    There were elephants on Flores Island. They're believed to have swam there. My theory: Homo erectus got to the island by riding on the backs of swimming elephants. :)

  • @vakusdrake3224
    @vakusdrake32245 жыл бұрын

    The idea homo floresiensis was just swept away in a tropical storm doesn't make any sense: Hurricanes don't exactly just transport large numbers of people from inland to islands. Plus florensis couldn't form a self sustaining population on a new island without way more people than could plausibly get swept onto the island from a storm.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's definitely possible, they wouldn't have had to travel very far over water and they were smart enough to know wood floats, Im sure. Who knows!

  • @LuisAldamiz

    @LuisAldamiz

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm with you Vakus. Also they were people very much able of making tools and controlling fire, their "hairiness" is just a wild guess and pretty much irrelevant, why not build a raft out of logs, as we the oh-so-brilliant Homo sapiens still does in many remote places or has been doing until recently.

  • @LuisAldamiz

    @LuisAldamiz

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StefanMilo - The reason why they didn't go to Australia is probably because it's quite a bit more distant. In the Lesser Sunda chain, where Flores is, distances between islands are short, and the Greater Sunda was a peninsula in the Ice Ages, Instead "jumping" to Australia or New Guinea requires a bit more daring seafaring, because it was some 80 km away from any island. That's a big "jump".

  • @vakusdrake3224

    @vakusdrake3224

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Jossandoval I should note that rodents are more resilient than humans and can more easily cling atop of typical debri, making them more likely to get swept long distances over the ocean and survive. Additionally rodents can start a whole new population from a single pregnant rat or one rat of either gender, whereas hominids would need massively more individuals to form a viable population. Also rodents are just much more likely to get swept out to sea than hominids in the first place for many reasons (like size and intelligence). So while rats can get involuntarily swept to another landmass and form a colony pretty easily such a thing would be almost inconceivable for any hominids which didn't utilize boats.

  • @Jossandoval

    @Jossandoval

    5 жыл бұрын

    ​@@vakusdrake3224 I agree. I do like the boat hypothesis more since even in the case of storms is far more believable that ancient humans survived with something that could float that with their swimming skills. But the evidence is scarce, so I was playing devil's advocate. And, to continue in that role, I will note as well that even if I don't know the distance of Flores Island and Terra Firma at the time of H. floresiensis arrival, it was probably several orders of magnitudes less than the distance between Africa and South America forty millions of years ago.

  • @petermarton3743
    @petermarton37434 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Milo! This was fun, and interesting!!!

  • @gequitz
    @gequitz3 жыл бұрын

    Blast from the past! This is the fist video I saw from you Stefan, as part of Operation Odysseus. I subscribed then and have been loving your vids since. Maybe 3 years from now you'll have 1 million subs?

  • @williamarmstrong7163
    @williamarmstrong71635 жыл бұрын

    im tilted that historia civilis kings and generals and aternate history hub aren't in this

  • @aneesh2115

    @aneesh2115

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ahh is alt history This is real history

  • @joebowden4065

    @joebowden4065

    5 жыл бұрын

    I find AHH to be pure speculation from his own biases. I quite like the videos I think his brother does on that knowledgehub channel

  • @paogevang8306
    @paogevang83065 жыл бұрын

    NO DISLIKES, You deserve my sub

  • @vlkafenryka
    @vlkafenryka5 жыл бұрын

    Nice video mate, I'm glad that I just discovered you in this operationodysseus event, you've earnt another sub :)

  • @Odonanmarg
    @Odonanmarg Жыл бұрын

    Always enjoy your podcasts.

  • @FrontierLegacy
    @FrontierLegacy4 жыл бұрын

    6:10 that statement is now out of date as we have a skull of an anatomically modern human in Greece that is dated to 210,000 years ago. www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3018103/rewriting-history-210000-year-old-skull-found-greece-identified.

  • @impower3134

    @impower3134

    2 жыл бұрын

    There is yet so much to discover!

  • @flamencoprof
    @flamencoprof5 жыл бұрын

    A good overview; seems to fit with what I have modestly concluded so far. Faint praise I know, but not damning.

  • @maxcombest2602
    @maxcombest26025 жыл бұрын

    Hey man! Just coming across your channel like many others. Great stuff! Subscribed right away.

  • @bosatsu76
    @bosatsu763 жыл бұрын

    One of the very few sites that I Up thumb before I even watch it... Always well thought out and presented...

  • @guibaterasoad
    @guibaterasoad5 жыл бұрын

    I find almost offensive that kings and generals is not part of this. But, still, great work and great playlist.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    He just didn't choose to, probably a scheduling conflict. Everyone in this collab loves his videos. He's really one of the best out there.

  • @craighagenbruch3800
    @craighagenbruch38005 жыл бұрын

    How intelligent do think Neanderthals actually were i have heard about them but not too knowledgeable on them also why didn't they survive like homo sapiens?

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well modern homo sapiens outside of Africa have as much as 5% neanderthal DNA so in a way they survived by having children with us. That being said they were much more clever than we used to think.

  • @craighagenbruch3800

    @craighagenbruch3800

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StefanMilo ah ok but still how could homo sapiens survive and the Neanderthals could not, if they were smart then how come they simply didn't make it to what we call the modern man?.

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    They might not have been as smart. They were also more adapted to a colder climate so as the ice age ended, the large animals they preyed on became fewer and fewer. A minority integrated with homo sapiens. The others didn't. This took many thousands of years to happen though. Just slowly but surely humans pushed them into worse and worse areas until they probably found it hard to gather enough resources.

  • @craighagenbruch3800

    @craighagenbruch3800

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StefanMilo ah ok so the ol case of survival of the fittest makes sense nature can be a real bitch

  • @adamcochran1309

    @adamcochran1309

    5 жыл бұрын

    Homo sapiens needed 3000 or so calories a day neanderthals needed 10,000.

  • @velvetunderpants44
    @velvetunderpants442 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are really well done. Interesting and entertaining. Well done.

  • @peachykeen7749
    @peachykeen77494 жыл бұрын

    I like your style of presenting. Good job👍👍

  • @tobago3679
    @tobago36795 жыл бұрын

    I like your style, subbed! Keep up the good work!

  • @jdschneider5858
    @jdschneider58586 ай бұрын

    I'm so glad I found your channel! This video was 5 years ago, so I've a lot of catching up to do. I've watched your more recent videos and I love them. I remember hearing about "Lucy" many years ago, but only bits and pieces of paleoarchaeology since. Fortunately, you do not sensationalize and I feel I can trust your assessments. Bravissimo!!

  • @Friendlyfarter
    @Friendlyfarter5 жыл бұрын

    So glad you were included in this project. Another great history youtuber to subscribe to! Great video!!

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much, glad to have you!

  • @MrDroenix
    @MrDroenix5 жыл бұрын

    Wow! You good sir have dropped some naval knowledge today! I'm stunned that sailing goes that far back and now I want some fish and chips, haha -- Bravo with the video editting as well, subscribed! Gotta check out more of your stuff

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man, I appreciate that. Yeah I've really been pushing hard to improve the videos I make. Lots of interesting stuff to come, especially if you're into prehistory / ancient history.

  • @rossbrook5919
    @rossbrook59195 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel keep it up hopefully you keep growing like you are. Great content very interesting

  • @my2cents320
    @my2cents3204 жыл бұрын

    Really fascinating stuff! Just subscribed.

  • @remyklaassenhendrikse7301
    @remyklaassenhendrikse73015 жыл бұрын

    I just found you because of operation Odysseus, but this is awesome! Please keep uploading this kind of content :)

  • @StefanMilo

    @StefanMilo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Loads more stone age and ancient history videos on the way!

  • @reds1325
    @reds13252 жыл бұрын

    Great info, a nice video with a fun twist. Well done.

  • @karencawthorn3173
    @karencawthorn31735 жыл бұрын

    Nice Stephan. Very interesting. I'll b looking g 4 more..

  • @freespiritable
    @freespiritable3 жыл бұрын

    Your smile is so genuine, it's like an aura. You must be a ray of light to people who know you. 😍

  • @oldcremona
    @oldcremona3 жыл бұрын

    Stefan's charming demeanor makes his videos a pleasure to watch and listen to.

  • @sharonkaczorowski8690
    @sharonkaczorowski86902 жыл бұрын

    Amazing video…learned so much!

  • @_KingPin_-jm4st
    @_KingPin_-jm4st4 жыл бұрын

    Imo your on of the best history you tubers. I find your videos more informative

  • @Andy_Babb
    @Andy_Babb Жыл бұрын

    Lmfao oh my goodness I just busted out laughing at that intro!! Good stuff man that was great 😂 Awesome video!

  • @andrewzanas9387
    @andrewzanas93874 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see you getting this well deserved recognition from mainstream educational sources, Milo. You're one of the real guys. Have you hooked up with a University yet to pursue your doctorate? I'm sure there are many who would love to have you.

  • @PascalThalmann
    @PascalThalmann5 жыл бұрын

    subscribed, great channel, keep it comming.

  • @Mrbfgray
    @Mrbfgray3 жыл бұрын

    Very nicely done Sir, like your style--Subbed and belled.

  • @jimspace3000
    @jimspace30003 жыл бұрын

    Making sea-worthy crafts in the stone age is nothing short of remarkable.

  • @clintfrederici3928
    @clintfrederici39284 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Stefan for all your work you do, it's a pleasant break from all the crap on youtube

  • @AndyWicks
    @AndyWicks5 жыл бұрын

    What an excellent presentation! Well done. Thanks :-)