An ND Miata is almost an anachorism in this day and age - where as other cars promise more power, tech, comfort, luxury, and... price, the Miata stays simple, honest, and approachable. Less power, less weight, less space, less consumables cost, less bloat. A simple car made to simply enjoy simple driving pleasure. Not a car for everyone, but for those that get it, they get it. If I were to "upgrade" from my ND2, I'd honestly go for something more extreme and ucomfortable like an Elise, Caterham 7, or even a classic British roadster like a Triumph TR4 rather than a high end luxury sports car. There's a bunch of comfortable commuters to choose from at any given time, but having a truly raw driving experience is something for my bucket list.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Well said

@user-py4zz3kj1u

Ай бұрын

Right, I'm a 51 yr old female and I have the 2023 Mx 5 RF as of Oct. I had the a solstice in 2005 and this Mx 5 reminds me of it so much. I miss my Solstice more than the 2012 370z I had prior to the Mx 5. The solstice made me feel good how the seats just hugged me. I always felt like I was in a nascar race. The 370 felt cool too but in a different way. I was to scared to race at that point. I get more guys that pull upon me to race the mx 5 than the 370z. I'm pondering on getting a sticker inn the back that says ....OLD LADY ON BOARD!!! NOT TRYING TO RACE YOU BULLIES!!!! haha

As much as I love the 718, I'd still pick the Miata for its joy inspiring character, unbeatable value and steadfast reliability. In fact, I did choose a 2024 Miata GT manual, which I am picking up next week. Porsches are amazing cars, but they can be a lot of trouble as they age and they are insanely expensive to maintain. The older I get, the more I try to keep things simple, and the Miata is the definition of that mentality.

@Jay-xr3sb

Ай бұрын

Extend the porsche warranty or go to a specialist. Using prosche themselves to maintain the car is very expensive.

@dlg5485

Ай бұрын

@@Jay-xr3sb No matter who does the maint on a Porsche it will be orders of magnitude more expensive than a Miata. Also, you can maintain a Miata yourself since it's such a simple car. Porsches are overly complex and nearly impossible to self maintain.

@Jay-xr3sb

Ай бұрын

@@dlg5485 I agree that the porsche will be more, just saying u don't have to pay the rip off dealer prices. Took mine in for warranty work, they asked if they want me to clean the roof drain that's slightly blocked...for £570. I passed, online vids show its a 20min job at home. I can run the porsche warranty for 4 more years

@Chocofur

29 күн бұрын

I'm also getting and ND3 next Saturday, crazy to see how many people in the comments decided to go for the new Miata!

@JacesOwnWorld

29 күн бұрын

@@dlg5485no shit Sherlock. Because the Cayman is a Porsche lol, and the Miata is a Mazda. Big difference in quality. There’s also a MASSIVE difference in performance, and with performance comes more maintenance. This is literally not rocket science science lol

I’ve driven both several times and the Cayman steps on it if we’re honest. Miata is really good (Saturn Sky, Z4 and Soltices feel just as good as an older Miata too) but there’s levels to the game. The Cayman S out performs the 911 in MANY categories but I get the bang for the buck.

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

The Cayman S is a real performer with much higher limits

Have a ‘19 718 cayman gts4.0. Wonderful car. Also have a ‘23 mx5 club st. Both have their place in my garage 😁

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Nice! What do you like and dislike about each?

@tariqalr

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic there are no tracks where I live. The 718 is more fun on roads, much faster and more comfortable. Definitely feels more dialed in, although both are mostly stock. The mx5 is the icecream car. On good days, the convertible+manual combination for cruises is just what you need. I might modify the suspension on the mx5, but it’s not a priority as of now. I don’t have the opportunity to push either car past 7/10. Neither of the cars gets used anytime other than weekends too

Bluey! This is pretty interesting set of cars you got for comparison, Never thought about comparing these two.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Outside. Miata is the poor man’s Cayman

If you ring out the first gear that much all the time, the transmission won’t last a long time. First gear is for getting to roll, 2nd gear is when you really get some pull, and 3rd gear is even more pull for decent runs on MX5 ND

A man of taste👌 Cayman has always been overshadowed by the 911 but they're soo good looking

@opmike343

Ай бұрын

What I love about the Caymans are the size. The modern 911's are just so huge compared to the 993's and 964's.

@strmshadow8411

Ай бұрын

@@opmike343 Modern 911's and Caymans are basically the same size lol

@Jay-xr3sb

Ай бұрын

Boxster 981 S/GTS. Peak modern porsche/sports car..flat 6, mid-engined, right amount of power to enjoy on the road, practical, timeless design and the right size for comfort, luggage and the road.

@joeracer302

28 күн бұрын

@@opmike343 991 and 718 basically same size, I think the 718 actually has a longer wheelbase.

@BobC59

26 күн бұрын

Better driving too

I appreciate this video. I've been eyeing both of these cars with a manual transmission. It comes down to do I want to spend $30k+ or $70k+. Then when I get closer to leaning toward the Porsche, then I start thinking Corvette for similar price, but I lose the manual transmission which makes me lean back towards the Miata. Then I end up talking myself out of any extra cars and keep my money invested but still eyeing these. :)

Thank you Que for telling the truth about Porsche shifters. For some reason, car reviewers all lie about how great they are.

LOL "we don't have any of that". Both are great cars, loved the video!

@QueTheChaotic

28 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Thanks for the detailed review

@QueTheChaotic

24 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching

Excellent review and points made!

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot

@roustabout4fun

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic My pleasure~TC

Interesting comparison and cool review. Really like the 718 Cayman S, but just cannot get over the sticker price. Also agree with you on getting the PDK vs manual. Porsche's PDK is that good, especially when equipped with Sport Chrono.

Thanks for doing this review. I'm driving a MX5 RF Touring right now, and am looking at Cayman GTS 4.0 so even though gts has the 6 instead of the 4

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

That’s the one to get!

After you got into the Miata and did that first rev out, I was surprised to tell myself that the Miata sounds better

I own a 21 Miata 6-speed manual and love every second driving it. I’m thinking of keeping it for a long time but would i trade it on a Cayman? the short answer is yes but only for the flat six.

Nice vid! You should do a review comparing the na Miata to the nd Miata or the gr86/brz vs Miata

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Will do

Nice review! I love how so much nicer and put together the Miata interior is over the Porsche. Miata is the one to get!

My current car and my dream car. I swear bro, you’re me in an alternate universe 🤣 thanks for the awesome content 🔥

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Shout out to Que Standards! In all honesty I think I'd pick the Miata if I could actually fit in it lol to me it looks better, sounds better, with the nicer interior, plus when you configure the cost of ownership along with the cost of repairs and mods, the Miata wins all day.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

I gotta give the sound to the Porsche. Other than that I couldn’t see paying so much for a Cayman when the Miata exists

@RaceCarFriends

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic Yeah I can tell that you liked the idle and cam sound of the Porsche, but I guess I just liked the tone of the Mazda more.

@thomasharris5151

Ай бұрын

I’ve driven both several times and the Cayman craps on it if we’re honest. Miata is really good (Saturn Sky, Z4 and Soltices feel just as good as an older Miata too) but there’s levels to the game. The Cayman S out performs the 911 in MANY categories.

@BobC59

26 күн бұрын

You haven’t driven a Cayman, have you?

Love the Miata man but I might be a bit biased since I own a track Miata! However this is gonna be a great comparison, the cayman such a cool car

You get exactly what you pay for. Owned a ‘04 Boxster MT, ‘22 Cayman S PDK, and now a ‘24 CGTS MT. Once you go Porsche, you realize no other brands can compare in terms of quality, OEM customization, service, and FUN! @que, if you leave it in sport or sport + it’ll auto rev for you unless at start up you turn the key once, rotate the dial to individual, sport, or sport+ it’ll disable auto rev 😉 It never gets old when doing weekly Costco runs and loading up the frunk and trunk! 😂

@QueTheChaotic

28 күн бұрын

Thanks for the tip.

@991carreras3

27 күн бұрын

Your 100% correct!

I had a 2004 Boxster S before I bought my GRC. I considered buying a new Boxster, a GTS with the flat-6, 4.0l engine. It was a beautiful car in GT metallic silver with turbo rims, deviated red stitching, and upgraded stereo. $126k out the door. If I had more funds liquid at the time, it would have been mine! The GRC is only 2" longer than the Boxster but has more usable space. I really like a hatchback.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

That was a great spec. The GRC is a lot more practical and extremely fun

Team Miata here! Just got a 24' GT Miata as my first ever manual, loving it so far. You got any tips to start off quicker in first? Looks like you can go from 0 to 20 a lot smoother and quicker than I can. I'm still practicing tho, it's so fun man

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

Congrats! I just ease into the power once the clutch is engaged

I hope your channel does well but I"ve got an older Cayman with a flat 6. Best sound and it's far more raw and analog, corners like a go kart.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot. That what I felt the 718 was missing. It just felt too good if that makes sense. I would enjoy the older Cayman on the raw and analog feel.

@patrickbateman7122

Ай бұрын

I've done the FT twins, can't fit in Miata unfortunately and always wanted to test a 987 cayman but thought that the gearing would be too long and mid engine isn't as fun as road car compared to FR. Please can you give some advice 👍

Nice Mazda, I had the 981 Spyder with the 911 engine, great car. I now have a 23 club Miata same color as yours. Come check it out, full good-win suspension, headers and 16” wheels. It’s so fun. Also have a 24 RF in arrow grey that’s for sale

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

Nice!

@carguy...

11 күн бұрын

Why would you sell the spyder????? Then get a miata???

Love the Miata but a mid engine Cayman is on another level. Especially the balance, weight transfer and rotation.

Honestly id just get a used 718 base and get a tune for like $45k. Im a flat 6 guy so i got a 981 boxster you can find boxster s and cayman s of the 981 gen for around $43k too. I personally wouldn’t pay over a $60k for a cayman/boxster unless it was a large flat 6 (3.8 or 4.0)

This was a very brave comparison, thank you for doing this. Bottom line is: it’s more of a personal reference.

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

That’s all it is. Just a matter of taste

@JacesOwnWorld

29 күн бұрын

But objectively the Cayman is just a lot better. You can’t just throw that fact away.

Ok so here’s what I can lend; Owned 3 Audis n all were a headache even after meticulous care & service. Nc owner now but I sold a nb 03’ with 224k on her- original clutch too. Every service writer at Fresno Audi Porsche owned an Asian or USA product. You decide…..

How is the steering feel between the two. I heard the MX5 has more center feel, but what about load up on corners?

@QueTheChaotic

25 күн бұрын

My bad I can't even recall at this point. I need to get to an area with a lot more corners

Now throw Xida or MCS coilovers on MX5, aggressive alignment, OEM BBR spec and and the MX5 becomes a track ready weapon that is more raw than Cayman.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

True indeed

You give really good insights to the differences between these sports cars. Don't know what it is about these modern Porsche's but i just don't have any want for them, they're luxury sports cars and if I'm getting a sports car i want it to feel light and raw.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Porsche doesn't have that edge of being raw

@patrickbateman7122

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic cheers Que, i can't fit in a Miata. Do you think the GR86 is more fun than Cayman?

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

@@patrickbateman7122 the BRZ/86 is a blast to drive. I like them a lot. The engine is prone to oil starvation but a mod can fix that

@patrickbateman7122

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic cheers mate! We love your vids all the way across the pond in England 👍👊

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

@@patrickbateman7122 🙌🏾🙏🏾 I appreciate you

Que, I have a question for you.. can I order the hard top for the car still I live in Chicago and it gets cold and it snows

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

Some people drive them with the top down in the winter. Just get winter tires

18:28 can you share your playlists que. Thanks To add I test drove an 981 cayman s before I bought my miata. A little too hardcore for the street for what I wanted as I am in my simple car old man phase.

@QueTheChaotic

14 күн бұрын

I have what I call an infinite playlist. SO many songs. I agree with you man

I put 3 grand in suspension, wheels/tires, exhaust from good win racing into my Nd3. Oh what fun!!! Sorry, I’ll keep my Miata for fun, reliability and low cost.

I'll take the MX5 anytime!

When I test drove a 718 cayman s I was extremely underwhelmed. The 981 was a lot better but still very boring in comparison to my e92 m3. Maybe mods would've made it more exciting as it's not fair to compare modded to stock

Hope that Cayman sounded better in person

How is the room feel inside if you compare it?

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

The Cayman is much more spacious even for taller people. I'm 6 ft I can't slide my seat back anymore in the Miata. It's just enough space.

@EnthusiastCarHangar

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic Thanks I am the same height so that helps.

Compare it to the standard cayman not the s. I love some porsches but the mazda is a better buy

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

True.

Where do you mount your cam when you drive?

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

On a baseball cap

@EnthusiastCarHangar

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic I will have to try that. I tried a neck mount but it hangs too low.

You had mustung, camaro 1le challenger which u like most

@QueTheChaotic

21 күн бұрын

Camaro, GT350, then Hellcat

Have you driven a C7 bro? Would like to hear your thoughts

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

Yessir! I have a couple Z06 videos. It’s been a couple years back

brother im in a predicament, do i go for an nd2 or spend the extra 1 billion dollars for the nd3

@QueTheChaotic

27 күн бұрын

Lol! ND3 and have no regrets. I hear if you joining SCCA or some racing club you get them at invoice.

Yea

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

🥉

The miata sounds so much better, n its just more fun. I prefer deeper exhausts to, but it depends, like a v12 or 911 GT3 sound better then a deeper tone exhaust like that cayman or a weak sounding turbo v8 from bmw. Turbo cars cant compete with the sound of naturally aspirated cars.

Can you review that Elise next? lol

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

I’ll see about it!

@FATmenDRIVEtrucks

Ай бұрын

@QueTheChaotic Cool! They're supposed to have the best steering of all factory cars and under 2000 lbs. 2ZZ revs to 8000 rpm

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks nice! I’ll see if I can review that next. And the RX7

Man oh man, I'm jealous. Porsche are the kings of manual transmissions and I've always wanted to experience a manual Porsche. Miata aside, I think a Civic Type R is the closest thing you could get to a "poor man's Porsche" presuming that you could get one without an insane markup.

@jimbochoo3316

29 күн бұрын

Type R is a really neat car, but it is not a poor man's Porsche because it's front engine and FWD. The MR2 was a poor man's Porsche.

@QueTheChaotic

27 күн бұрын

I hear the GT Porsches have the good shifter. This one was worse than the Miata and CTR

OMG! $86,000 for a not-even-new Cayman S? I couldn’t do that for a 4-cylinder, as good as the Porsche is. I bought a 2014 Cayman S ($56,000 in 2023) and it is way out of Miata’s league (I owned an NB Miata for years). Miata is a fantastic driver’s car and would be my choice for the money, but I am in love with my 981. Damn close to a Ferrari with its build quality, comfort, capabilities, looks, and most importantly driving dynamics. Great review 👍🏼 PS - I got the Cayman after selling my S2000 because I am a tall, not-young man and the Cayman offered more leg and shoulder room so I can still walk when I get out 😂

@QueTheChaotic

26 күн бұрын

😆you got yourself a nice ride sir. I feel like a transformer to get in the Miata. I’m at the cusp of the maximum height

@BobC59

25 күн бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic I feel you! But it’s worth it, isn’t it!! That tight, clicky little shifter and 100% old-time British roadster feel with modern technology and reliability. And you hit the nail on the head about speed. I always had a blast in my NB, almost always under 60 mph on the backroads where I live. The Cayman is amazing, but Im breaking almost all speed limits at the top of second gear! Happy driving! PS - Im actually looking for an NC Club. It’s not as good as what you have, but I actually fit in it.

A message to Porsche.... I strongly considered the Cayman because of its beauty......but the reliability issue made me go to 2024 nd3

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

What kind of issues?

If those are sport seats, then any greyhound bus also has them.

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

Lol!!!

So is the Boxster/Cayman worth 3X the price of the Miata?

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

Not at all. Not even double

@TT92348

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaoticdamn! So factor in repair costs long term and it becomes even harder to justify

That Cayman would make a fantastic sounding Subaru. But I could never spend Porsche money on a car that sounds like a nice sink disposal

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

😆

Cayman kinda sounds like a Wrx at certain RPM’s

Boxster weighs 700+lbs more. Nothing like a Miata out there. Especially with these dumb turbo 4 in the porsche's. N/A is more raw and visceral. Also easier to drive at the limit.

You would like the 2009 cayman s more than the 718. It’s an amazing car. I’ve had Miata’s, a 718 GTS and now a 987.2 boxster s. And the Miata is an amazing car in its own right. And arguably better than the cayman regardless of price. The Miata just kind of sucks on the highway. and the Miata’s shifter is WAY better.

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

I need to get my hands on the older gen Cayman. The Miata is pretty loud with the top up. It took some getting used to

@donstaramos

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaotic I think you would like it a lot. We have had a lot of the same cars. M2, Miata, GR Corolla. That generation cayman/boxster has the best steering out of any car I’ve driven outside the lotus Elise. The naturally aspirated engine is nasty in the upper rev range. And one of the best sounding engines on the planet, especially with an upgraded exhaust. I’d let you film mine if you were in Florida

@fmtien

Ай бұрын

@@QueTheChaoticthe Miata is very loud. NVH levels are quite high. The RF is a little better. The RF with some butyl sheets and closed cell foam installed in strategic places in the RF significantly reduces the NVH where the loudest of the noises remaining is the stock exhaust. I love my RF now.

Hey Que are you suing the Acura dealership?! Please make them pay for your scratched rim!😡💎 and the jerk needs to be reported. I actually contacted Acura USA and reported the video for you and I recommend everyone else’s to do it too!

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

Thank you. I made a couple cases with Honda. I haven't heard back yet

Talk about the maintenance costs on the Cayman.

@991carreras3

27 күн бұрын

My 2012.5 991 Carrera s has a oil change once a year , air filter every 2-3yrs, and 3 sets of tires. Never any other issue and it now has 42k miles. Why did you want to know about maintenance costs?

@tedadamgreen

14 күн бұрын

@@991carreras3how much is that oil change… just curious

@991carreras3

14 күн бұрын

@tedadamgreen On my 991 S I get it done for a total of $225 for oil filter, 8-9 quarts of oil, and labor. Porsche dealership it would be just over $400.

@tedadamgreen

14 күн бұрын

@@991carreras3 Thanks!

Porsche gets more attention period

are you coming to miata reunion?

@QueTheChaotic

27 күн бұрын

When/where is this?

How is this even a question? Any non-biased, non-Miata fanboy knows that the Cayman is way better and funner to drive over a Miata. I’ve driven both. This isn’t even a comparison.

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

I don’t know man. It’s kinda a comparison. Lots of people compare and cross shop. The Miata is more fun to me

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@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

🏆

What's a CD player? 😂

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

😅

RCF

@QueTheChaotic

Ай бұрын

🥈

When I was a young man living in poverty in the 80s, my goal in life was to buy a BMW and a Porsche later on in life. I bought a NA Miata when I was young and I had my fun. Studied hard in college and got to where I wanted to be in life financially, but I don't desire expensive luxury cars anymore and I'm not impressed by the people driving them. I never even bought a real luxury car. My goal in life now is to be as healthy and strong as I can be. I am only impressed when someone can do more pullups and run a faster 10k than me.

@QueTheChaotic

28 күн бұрын

You just motivated me to do some pull ups.

@mihaizugravu9199

22 күн бұрын

Wondering why you’re watching this then

cup holders are obove the dash, they pop out.

@QueTheChaotic

29 күн бұрын

Ah. How could I forget that. Thanks

the miata looks better than the porsche side by side. just imagine that instead of the porsche logo there would be something unknown, some chinese copy or something.... then it's even more clear. the miata design is superior when you factor out prestige.

Cayman rear end is just so ugly…tasteless…rather get a track ready Miata ND + C8 Corvette.

A miata is a great girls car girls think they are cute. A porsche is simply a mans sportcar.

@QueTheChaotic

27 күн бұрын

Found another Diddy victim guys

@archstanton7269

18 күн бұрын

Clearly, you know nothing about absolutely everything. Low self-esteem must really suck for you to spend 3 times as much for the same kind of fun on the street.