We need to investigate all these uniform changes, someone at the top has to be getting kickbacks. If they're not, then they need to figure out if they can walk and chew gum at the same time

@zacharywilburn7253

Жыл бұрын

Of course they are.

@brettwilson1169

Жыл бұрын

Luckily for them chewing gum and walking isn't authorized 😂

@FatBz887

Жыл бұрын

@@brettwilson1169 what a convenient regulation....its almost like they don't want us to know the truth *insert X-Files theme*

@SteveDeo78

Жыл бұрын

That's not even surprising and I'd put a paycheck that someone is. Maybe austin himself.

@SavingMsBlack

Жыл бұрын

To think, there are people who can walk… but can’t chew gum as they walk.

As someone who retired in 1998 and underwent about three uniform changes in 20 years, these uniform changes are ridiculous.

@tdgdbs1

Жыл бұрын

1994-2016 three uniform changes and that most hated black beret. Seem like the norm across all branches.

@chloetaylor2713

Жыл бұрын

that including the UCP camo

@evilhairlessmonkey7700

Жыл бұрын

I was part of Reagan's Navy decades ago. This modern era Navy mirror's the insanity and decline of US Government. I am glad I no longer part of it.

@davidr1676

Жыл бұрын

@Echosdad2 I find it ridiculous that we have ever had to buy anything for the uniforms besides washing them or the good old kiwi for the dangerous AF black leather boots that were not meant to walk on anything with 1 micron of ice. Having to purchase our own rank was annoying too as well as certain other things.

@mofo7689

Жыл бұрын

I entered the USMC in Nov 1983. I got the distinct impression of kickbacks as the Corps went through butterfly collars, enlisted wearing chevrons centered on covers, Navy enlisted not confusing salutes with PO and Chiefs with officer brass. Finally, USMC went to name tapes as I left the Corps. As of late, the bottom 2 blouse pockets were relocated to the shoulders. I saw them put to use for the first time since earning my Marine title. Some "brass" wants a "claim to fame" footprint in the history of their service as "I did that".

As a Marine, I saw (telling my age) Sailors in Dugares, Overalls, and Chiefs in khakis. Made sense to me then, now one has to ask " who is making money" on these uniform changes.

@Skaggs666

Жыл бұрын

I have been! I have an embroidery side hustle and have been busy knocking out rank tabs for weeks now. $10/each and these idiots say I’m price gouging.

@NOBODY-kh4pt

Жыл бұрын

China

@Snuffy03

Жыл бұрын

I agree Bro. As a Marine, the sailors I served with seemed to be proud of the dungarees and the white sailor cover or blue baseball cap. thank God The Corps has no sissified image issues!

@dennisatkinson22

Жыл бұрын

As an old Marine, it's a little irritating to me that except for the Marpat pattern they seem to want to look like Marines. I guess I'm petty

@Snuffy03

Жыл бұрын

@@dennisatkinson22 Yep...I agree. As an old Marine myself I see that. But, I guess if they can't hack it as a Marine, they feel they want to look like us. The only people who should look like Marines are Marines and Navy Corpsmen. the rest are just window dressing..nuff said!

Why the hell is there so many uniform changes? That’s too much money being spent when they dont need to be.

@Raphael_Bizmann

Жыл бұрын

With no active Wars that the US is involved in directly the US corporate oligarchs got to get paid somehow.

@loanokaharbor8303

Жыл бұрын

Uniform expenditures = tens of millions $$$ funds where other "expenses" can be paid out of without question

@russkydeutsch

Жыл бұрын

It's all about $. Someone is making a ton of money.

@rc59191

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, there's no reason why they can't just wear that camo uniform the Navy made while on ship or in port.

I thought the Army had uniform issues. Praying for you guys.

@qua7771

Жыл бұрын

I'm starting to think there is no good navy uniform. Blue is a bad idea. You want to be seen if you fall in freezing water.

@hunterfickling3451

Жыл бұрын

lol appreciate it

A single uniform for all situations is one i could get behind

@thewintersoldier383

Жыл бұрын

Black bdu top and bottom. Black baseball cap, black Nike boots. Simple

@anthonyrobinson7715

Жыл бұрын

​@@thewintersoldier383 I had the same idea, but I preferred a storm grey color because it's easier to hide dirt, dust, and stains as opposed to black.

@berniegores2083

Жыл бұрын

@@thewintersoldier383 no baseball caps belong in the military

@cathoderay305

Жыл бұрын

As a former Navy Machinist Mate, blue coveralls worked and they seemed to work for the Coast Guard for how many decades?

@abp1400

Жыл бұрын

@@berniegores2083 chuckles in AF, who have brought it back....

As an old retired submarine sailor of the diesel boat era I and my associates visited a nuclear fast attack boat in Jax Fla. We were surprised to see the crew wearing green/brown camo. As camo was designed to hide soldiers when in the jungle it did not make them blend in aboard the sub. When I joined the Navy I liked our cracker jack uniform.

@Dov_ben-Maccabee

9 ай бұрын

DBF!!!

This doesnt surprise me. When I came back from my last deployment to afg in 2012 the navy didnt seem the same. I was in right under 8 years and things changed alot in that time. I feel for the sailors in todays navy… keep your heads up

@emeltea33

Жыл бұрын

Deployments do that, for real.

@mikloridden8276

Жыл бұрын

@@emeltea33 Well he is certainly right that the navy changed for the worse after around 2014. The good stuff about it is long gone, so all we have now is the worst aspects and worst people in charge.

@emeltea33

Жыл бұрын

@@mikloridden8276 I also came back from AFG in 2012, but was stained in Italy. Not sure what, but seemed different. Especially moving back stateside. Felt like cops were everywhere compared to Italy.

@pb68slab18

Жыл бұрын

@@mikloridden8276 I say it all started/got worse when they started "expanding the roll of women'' in the Navy.

I was in the Seabees from 85 to 93. And we wore the old marine Corp Greens. Loved them, a little work was needed for inspections but always felt proud in our Greens. And that was all ranks.

@JA-qs7jm

Жыл бұрын

Seabees were some of the few wearing type 3s before the whole navy needed them it was cool having something different. personally I think we should get tiger stripes

@fossil-bit8439

Жыл бұрын

We (Seabees) had the BDU woodland and were wearing the type IIIs before the rest of the Navy. At this point I think it would be more cost effective to have one working uniform across all branches.

I wonder if the uniform pickers are in cahoots with the uniform suppliers??? Time to investigate this! Too many chiefs making useless decisions

@andreinarangel6227

Жыл бұрын

Oh you know that they are. Ditto for the LCS program senior officers.

These uniforms are turning into the equivalent of a school textbook.

@EmperorSenate

Жыл бұрын

Pearson and Mccgraw Hill are no different than military contractors.

@anthonyrobinson7715

Жыл бұрын

That is a perfect analogy. And just like the textbooks you have to buy them at $800 and sell them for $3 after they become obsolete.

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonyrobinson7715 A textbook costs $800? Really? And exactly, who's buying these school books? They were free when I was in school. Am I missing something?

@anthonyrobinson7715

Жыл бұрын

@@Seemsayin I went to the naval academy and they actually took them out of our paycheck automatically. We didn't even get a choice 😆

@dougearnest7590

Жыл бұрын

@@Seemsayin - I presume they're talking about college textbooks. One semester in the early 80's while going to school full time, I paid around $250 for tuition and $250 for textbooks. I presume they've both gone up in price.

Most O’s don’t care about E’s any more. The recent scandals with the admirals have shown it. I really wish there was mass complaints by E’s and good O’s to our house representatives and senators.

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

Most O's NEVER cared about E's. That's because E's weren't decision-makers. E's work. O's delegate. If you've lived that difference, you'd already know why E's & O's don't mingle.

@felipemontes3933

Жыл бұрын

Wish in on hand n crap in the other lol 😆

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

Anyone can decide for themselves whether they wish to become an officer, or an enlisted person... BEFORE they join. *It's THEIR choice.* In the entire history of the services... the O's did not fraternize with the E's, especially on a personal level. NOT because they thought they were better... but because the military has always endeavored to maintain good order and discipline. It is a given that an enlisted uniform WILL respect the officer uniform. It's nothing personal. Military scandals have NOTHING to do with your wishes. It doesn't sound like you have served your country. Just wondering why you would want E's to declare mutiny on the commissioned ranks, when you have NOTHING to do with them. You think life's not fair, or you're just a trouble-maker?

I was in The Marine Corps from 1979 to 2003, seemed like every time I turned around, our brethren in blue were changing the uniform.

I was in the Navy when E1 - E6 wore dungarees (only snipes wore coveralls regularly); E-7 and officers wore "wash khakis" for work. NO ONE could go ashore in working uniforms. Sailors had to go ashore in blues or whites (no civilian clothes); officers & chiefs had to go ashore dress in uniform OR coat & tie (the dress uniform for officers was Service Dress Blue - Carry Grey Gloves). Times change - and not always for the better.

@Snuffy03

Жыл бұрын

That was the way of it when I was in The Corps and served with a lot of sailors. Beats the hell outta me why a sailor needs desert colored clothing.

@leonardvarmette7986

Жыл бұрын

...boot camp in summer, 1961...wore the ultra-comfortable dungarees and chambray shirts for the time I was in...I just don't understand why the Navy has gone through all these un-needed uniform changes...was in when the Navy tried the so-called "fore-and-aft" uniforms...totally unsuitable for shipboard service, and previous tests proved so, but still........the Navy went ahead and wasted untold millions of tax dollars on this mis-guided experiment....

@Dov_ben-Maccabee

9 ай бұрын

Was in at the same time. Still have a few pair of dungarees, but wore out my boondockers long ago.

As someone that served all four years on a shore station in the early 70's, I still think the dungrees were the most comfortable and see no need to change.

@ken73751

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@BattleGn0me

Жыл бұрын

Our sailors wore Dungarees and Dixie cups on bridge, or ball caps in most work stations. Certain areas wore blue overalls. We wore pt gear and boots underway, or field Utes with no cover above deck underway

@dmacarthur5356

Жыл бұрын

They were also cheap to buy and maintain. Also they were so fugly the idea of wearing them off pier/base wasn't even a thing. You always had a pair of "slops" for those days you were needle gunning and painting bilges and didn't care if they got wrecked.

@Hackenberg

Жыл бұрын

Late 80s, early 90s. Dungarees worked just fine for office/not dirty things.

"What if we just made the coveralls [...] allowed to go home in??" Because someone needs to get paid. You should check out the contract for this and see who's connected (hooked up).

@CAGonRiv

Жыл бұрын

On it

In college, I was required to buy the latest issue of the textbook, which ironically was revised every single year; no used books allowed. Then I realized the professors wrote the book. 🤔

Personally an Air Force Vet and I’ve never understood the dozens of uniforms that the Navy has. Dozens being exaggerated. For USAF it’s the BDU’s, blues and service dress with some uniform differences for Services Troops working at the gym or in the dining facility I.e chefs uniforms or the uniform that the gym staff would wear.

@abp1400

Жыл бұрын

AF has the most boring, worst set of unis (OCP is improvement and basically puts it on par w Army for working uniform), but overall the best facilities and quality of life, so that's worth the tradeoff.

@SeanFilms19

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget flight suits!

@RatherCrunchyMuffin

Жыл бұрын

@@abp1400 but the air force has one thing going for it, and that's besides the upgrade to OCPs, nothing much has changed. I don't like that our blues jacket doesn't look like a military coat, but I do like that we all agree that it sucks and just decided "fuck it, it's not worth the hassle of changing"

@julialoustalot3249

Жыл бұрын

I never wore one of those flight suits and I forgot about those. USAF uniforms may be boring but it’s way easier to deal with and we use all that thinking power for other things.

@abp1400

Жыл бұрын

@@RatherCrunchyMuffin Agreed, things like the Army basically re-doing their dress uniform twice in 10 years was ridiculous.

I enlisted in ‘58 and was issued dungarees, undress blues (no white piping), undress whites (no piping, but with a neckerchief it became dress whites), and white hats, which went with every uniform. Simple, extremely usable, and everyone liked them. Its heritage went back to ww2. I was even issued a navy blue Donald Duck flat hat that we weren’t allowed to wear but had to have it in our sea bag. I believe those old uniforms were much more functional and popular than what the Navy has dreamed up today. At least you knew a sailor when you seen one in uniform.

I was in from 70-78. I liked the bellbottoms and chambray shirt, it was pretty much what I wore before I joined 😅! You bought a first class crow and cut off what you didn't need. I was so glad when I didn't have to cut any off! I wore dungarees to and from work (straight to and from, with no stops). I proudly wore the crackerjack uniform for inspections once a year, for command inspections and standing inport OOD watches, until (on shore duty) the "new" suit and tie (very poorly cut) uniform was made mandatory. 🤭 I wouldn't even suggest to anyone to enlist, at this point of time. I say that, while acknowledging that the Navy taught me all the basics of how I made my living, for over 40 years. Sad state of affairs!

Uniform changes are like any time someone is in charge, they want to make 'their mark' and make everyone change something so they can say... they made everyone changed something on their annual eval. Civilian companies do the same thing but it rarely makes this kind of effect on the rank and file. The 80s were a great time, almost everyone wore the same uniforms (woodland BDUs, which worked great) for a very long time with little changes

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

Believe it or not, the military doesn't change, for the sake of change. They usually need a damn good reason to do anything different. As long as it continues to work, don't fix it if it ain't broke. But fortunately, they're more progressive than they've ever been. I think they realize that they're dealing with individuals, who are trying to exist in a "team" environment. Not easy to find a happy medium in today's world. It's different now. Keeping service members happy is perhaps becoming a "thing", I would guess..

@williamhanna4823

Жыл бұрын

It is called “demonstrating leadership”.

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

​@@williamhanna4823 William... What does "“demonstrating leadership” have to do with making changes to a uniform? When it comes to this particular issue... Some will say, "because it's needed". Some will say, "because we can". Others will assume that, the powers that be, "want to leave their mark". While I'm sure there are other reasons, I'm failing to see the correlation between the reasoning behind a uniform change, and your comment. If you wouldn't mind... would you please tell me what you meant by that? I'm not arguing with you. I just don't understand what you meant.

@williamhanna4823

Жыл бұрын

@@Seemsayin Another way of saying “making their mark”, which in some organizations seems to be a minimum requirement for a new leader. At worst, it breaks something that is not broken; at best, a meaningless change that merely increases expenses. I once used two computers that were, over time, labeled as “1” and “2”, then “A” and “B”, then “Purple” and “Gold”, which accomplished little more than leading to massive changes in the operational documentation. It got to a point where it was just easier to go along.

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

@@williamhanna4823 Ok. I get it. And, you're right. Sometimes... it's just easier to go along. Thanks for the enlightment.

How about the Navy work on the development of the sailors and bring back the old school mentality of the war fighter not this woke bullshit they are force feeding them.

@thegunslinger8806

8 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more, the guys need to bring back rifle training and remind these guys they fight wars and situations instead of playing dress up.

I was a Sea BEE and we wore the Marine Corp greens but the Navy still had the WW2 Gabbies and they seemed to work well. I suspect they might be coming back someday soon.

@davidmiller6981

Жыл бұрын

Yep MCB-1 67-70 RVN 2 tours

I am so glad I am out of the navy now...our biggest concern was doing our job...not changing uniforms every other year.

@qua7771

Жыл бұрын

The bureaucracy was the worst part of it for me. I would have been fine just working hard if they would allow it without interruption. When things run smoothly the have to fuck it up somehow. They make simple shit chaotic for no good reason.

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

@@qua7771 Can you expound on your comment? What bureaucracy about what running smoothly? What simple shit was made chaotic for no good reason? I'd just like to understand. When I served, I expected doses of bureaucracy, and never questioned it, because in the military.... the tail NEVER wags the dog, and it doesn't matter what I felt was important. I was consigned to the fact that my superiors made decisions, and I followed orders. It didn't matter if I was interrupted, because everyone gets interrupted, and it happens all the time. When ever I was interrupted, I felt as though whatever I was doing, wasn't as important as what I would be doing. It didn't matter to me, cuz I was always doing something worthwhile, which I couldn't be punished for. So, it never bothered me. I understand that certain things needed to get done by a certain time. And it's frustrating trying to meet deadlines, with constant interruptions. All I'm saying is that every service member signs up for that, whether they know it or not. And since only the O's can say, "Not now.", I do understand. Yeah... I was just curious what you were doing back then. I'm guessing that my responsibilities paled, in comparison to yours. No big deal. Thanks for your service!

@qua7771

Жыл бұрын

@@Seemsayin I was an avionics tech on P-3 aircraft by title. Between FAA regulation, NAV-OSH, tool control, SQL, TQL, Meetings for the sake of meetings, paperwork, etc... I could get 2 hours of effective work done if I was really kicking ass, and if everything went as planned (which is rare). Formalities took up most of the day, which drove me nuts. If that's your thing, have at it. Enjoy! It made my head hurt, especially when we were constantly reminded of all the downed aircraft. I made several suggestions to try to streamline things, like putting light duty personnel in charge of paperwork, etc.. The thing is there were senior enlisted personnel that weren't that good at their job. They would justify their existence by creating a position for themself, and that usually had a consequence of making life more difficult for everyone. They were creating work that didn't exist, when we already had shit that needed to be done. Then there were junior officers who were completely clueless about aircraft maintenance, doing essentially the same thing. Day shift was 10x worse than the night shift. Nothing got done on day shift because of all the brass pacing around acting busy. Everyone in perfectly pressed uniforms. The night shifts were completely different. there were people with dirty hands, and a overall since of accomplishment. Regardless, after a few years of it, I couldn't wait to get away from it. I got out in the '90's and never went back to a large organization for that reason. I finished college, and started a business, with efficiency in mind. The navy lacks the creed of "lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way".

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

@@qua7771 Thanks for your reply. Ya know... my position PALED in comparison to yours. I did PMS for NSSMS & CWIS. While we always had something to do... it was nothing compared to your itinerary. Now I understand perfectly why you felt the way you did. Completely understandable. And these days, I REALLY get it, as I'm constantly interrupted. Trust me... I get it. Thanks for your service. Much appreciated. Stay cool.

@qua7771

Жыл бұрын

@@Seemsayin I salute you for your service! I was talking to my neighbor friend, a 24 year retired chief neighbor this evening. Great guy. If it weren't for my medical discharge, I would have probably stayed in indefinitely like he did. When my EAOS was over I couldn't reenlist. I had two ribs removed, and a back injury after an accident. In the navy you can hide injuries for a while., especially as a tech. I got out honorably. I love you guys! peace.

As an engineer in the navy i have to say i love my bulwarks/FRVs. Im in them almost every day whether it's in port or underway and I've never had an issue with them. Personnel i hate wearing every other uniform. There either uncomfortable or stiff to me, but not my coveralls. I don't like the idea of a two-piece wombo combo and the idea that it will dangle and get stuck in something that could endanger me. Now I know that this doesn't apply to almost all other departments but i feel like this is a legitimate reason that they probably aren't thinking about or maybe are and they'll just tell us to tuck them in. If that happens then they should just let engineers wear our normal coveralls.

@brettwilson1169

Жыл бұрын

Engineers will still be wearing coveralls from what I've heard.

@cathoderay305

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, and I was forced to wear the itchy, scratchy fireproof coveralls of the early 1990's. We lived in those and cotton coveralls for the whole of my shipboard years on two ships. That, with collar insignia, blackened boots, black belt, and a ballcap worked for those of us working in No. 2 MMR (and No. 1). Don't no why the whole Navy didn't go that way, because I understand it worked for the Coast Guard for decades.

@thelegionisnotamused8929

Жыл бұрын

I'd imagine specialized units... departments will still wear their respective uniforms, especially if it is a safety issue.

@qua7771

Жыл бұрын

We would unzip it, and leave the top hanging. Then it rained on some girls, and that was the end of it. Apparently wet T-shirts are not authorized.

@chaseboulter5969

Жыл бұрын

Engineering isn’t gonna be wearing them in the Spaces, at least for me that is

When I joined back in 1999 my boot camp division was the last to receive dungarees. We then went to a utility uniform that looked like we were all in prison. I was engineering so onboard I wore the FR coveralls, but was allowed to leave in the regular coveralls for on base things. Off base it was either the utility uniform, or civies.

@qua7771

Жыл бұрын

I wore shorts, and a t-shirt then put the coveralls on over it when I got to work.

I was quite the fortunate sailor. I was a corpsman and literally never wore my coveralls. Fucking hated them. Didn't like my blueberries much better. Though they existed way before I did, I honestly don't get why we just don't go back to dungarees. I mean, that uniform started the whole "can't be worn running errands" bullshit, and that made sense. It's jeans and a button up. But coveralls are an actual uniform. These new 2pocs simply seem like a coastguard cross over. Either way, glad I've been out since 2018, cos Big Navy just keeps on fucking up

I'll solve the problem for the navy, dungarees and dixie cup hats. The army went back to WWII with their dress uniform the navy can do the same with their duty uniform. When I retired from the USAF, I got a job as a bus driver and didn't have to but a new uniform. Now that is a multipurpose uniform, well played USAF.

@davidporter7051

Жыл бұрын

The Pink&Greens isn't a dress uniform. It's a working uniform. The Army did not have one.

@remaguire

Жыл бұрын

"I got a job as a bus driver..." LOL! Now think about it. You could have also snagged a job with the Post Office!

Lovely. I like the coveralls. In emergencies coveralls are super easy to put on. I also recall when I could wear coveralls on base and to home

Im in the coast guard and we're basically waiting on you guys to get them so we can get ours in navy blue.

When I was in (69-74), we went through a few uniform changes, from the chambray shirt and bell bottoms to the blue pullover shirt and blue pants then the "hard hat" for Summer tropical. I always thought the blue camos were about the most ridiculous. Plus the colored chest patches make for a better target, but apparently that's not an issue

Keep in mind no one notified Vanguard when they decided to make the new rank tabs mandatory. Vanguard noticed an increase in purchases through their own purchase tracker and only in the past week ramped up production. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2POC becomes mandatory wear to replace Type IIIs and there is no stock because no one notifies the supplier then either.

In my time we had denim Seafarers and chambray shirts. They were comfortable, durable, looked good and were easy to stow. It all began to go downhill when Zumwalt changed the dress blue uniform and issued bus driver hats.

@jerrynewberry2823

Жыл бұрын

Zumwalt didn't do that. That was the women Admirals at the onset of the pettycoat Navy. Women supposedly didn't look good in dungarees and the buttons on the shirt were backwards. Zumwalt was very good for the Navy at the time. Facial hair was finally allowed after bubble heads wore them on patrol and Vietnam it was allowed. Had a very nice goatee and mustache when I was there. Good for the soul. Also the culture there meant you were a wise old man. Asians can mostly grow sparse facial hair after about 40. We fit in like in Afghanistan. That was a very wise move. Pun not intended.

"One Pac, two Pac, three Pac, four. Four Pac, three Pac, two Pac, one. You're Pac, he's Pac, no Pac, none." -CPO Eminem

@soniablade7069

Жыл бұрын

Ha-ha! You’re so freakin’ talented !

Ouch - I cant believe the random and ludicrous changes since 2000. When I was in 87-2000 - enlisted wore dungarees - or coveralls if you were a snipe, bubblehead, or aviation maintenance. My brothers and I wore our flight suits 85% of the time - dungarees if we weren't on the flight schedule, and working whites/blues for the shop/office. I was even around for the 2 years our squadron put ALL flight-duty personnel in Aviation Greens when not flying (pricey, but SHARP). My ONE gripe back then was the danged Dixie Cup which was always getting nicotine stains

Is anyone surprised by the choices made my the Navy Brass at this point?

@wilsonle61

Жыл бұрын

Nope!

@anthonyrobinson7715

Жыл бұрын

I don't even bat an eye anymore

My God, I've never seen so many uniform changes in my life, the Navy just can't make up their mind what they want. Back when I served it was dungarees for E-6 and below and Khakis for E-7 and above. Stayed that way for many many years. I was always on carriers so out at sea it was greens and what ever colored jersey you wore, I was red since I was a WT.

@stanstenson8168

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, green and reds.

Still don't understand why the rank ever went away from the collar? It wouldve saved the navy from the center piece and now black

Sometimes I forget how simple the Soldiers and Airmen have it with uniforms. We effectively have just Class A, B, and C uniforms. And yes we get shenanigans with uniform changes. But nothing like you see the Marines, Sailors, and Guardsman deal with sometimes every few months. No wonder you all get higher clothing allowances.

The reason they gave the extension is that the Navy Reserve Centers have to issue the rank tab due to the fact that reservists don't get a uniform allowance.

If the USN is changing wardrobe... again, I can only imagine what the Army has coming up next. LOL

@ronthibault1853

Жыл бұрын

The uniform from the old movie Starship Troopers is cool LOL

I like the Armys uniform changes the most.

Sad part is there isn’t any left on the shelf at my location. And online has a back order.

I remember my old Seafarer dungaree's and chambray shirt, we had iron-on rank insignia...they only had them with three stripes and you had to cut one or two off depending if you were E-5 or E-4. The sign of a West Pac Sailor was the Uniform and Tailor Shop in Subic Bay Philippines offered to embroider your name directly into your chambray shirt or dungaree's, and even offered to embroider your crow directly into your chambray shirt. At the end of a deployment, during that last stop in Subic, I'd usually get 2 or 3 sets of "inspection" dungaree's to last me until the next deployment. Once I even had them embroider my rating device in a couple of sets. Which got me a 'thumbs up' during a command inspection. The Seafarer dungaree's and chambray shirts weren't expensive either. $60 bucks got me 3 sets of inspection ready uniforms, and that's paying extra for the embroidery, so they didn't put a hurting on my wallet. They lasted, but then again, as an Airedale, my typical underway uniform was either a set of green flight deck trousers (later replaced by wash khaki) and a flight deck jersey, so I wasn't wearing 'em out that much either.

The reason the reserve will get them directly shipped is two-fold. One, there are centers that are not reasonable located near an installation where uniform items are readily available. Two, active duty gets a clothing allowance (I know it rarely covers what’s needed) where the reserve does not.

@jcgamer892

Жыл бұрын

huh, I guess it's changed. When I was in the reserve back 2014, we did get a clothing allowance but it was only $50-$200 yearly (depending on drilling station) and supply had to have it in stock. if we had to order the item, we had to pay....basically we never even bothered with it and just took a couple extra hundred dollars with us when we went to our gaining command (usually was on a navy base with NEX)

@andrewfaucett6915

Жыл бұрын

@@jcgamer892 interesting. My experience is from the early 2000s so it may have changed. I was part of an I&I staff with the Marine Corps. The only uniform items that weren’t really issued was dress blues. Otherwise, they could turn in unserviceable uniforms and get new ones issued or ordered at no cost.

I was a Dungarees man Coveralls were for Engineers and other sailors doing unusually dirty work None were worn off the base We had iron-ons for E4-6 on dungarees, but nothing was mandatory on coveralls You could put your crow & chevrons pin on your hat

@stanstenson8168

Жыл бұрын

The dungaree pants were absolute junk.

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

Yep. That's exactly what we did. I was in CS dept. NSSMS & CWIS. So, they let me wear coveralls. Put a shiny crow on the collar. When I got short, I bent the wings out on my hat pin. Short-timer was a wonderful feeling.

@kennethmcdonald5278

Жыл бұрын

Dungarees we're comfortable , and cool. Dark blue jeans light blue shirt , not a blouse , looked great with a pair of corfams

Retired 4 months ago. This change is one of many in the navy's belt fed uniform change machine.

I was in back in the late 80's and early 90's and so I wore dungarees. Even though you couldn't wear them to and from the ship, I think they were the ideal working uniform for E-6 and below. They were durable and comfortable. As I recall they were also fairly inexpensive. Particularly if you are a junior sailor, you are going to get dirty sometimes. It makes sense to have a uniform that isn't a big deal to replace if it gets trashed. The next best option to me would be the coveralls, but I don't think I would care for the one piece design. They would be durable though.

@1337penguinman

Жыл бұрын

I loved my coveralls when I was in. Most comfortable uniform I ever owned. Thin enough that I didn't bake in the Hawaiian sun and durable enough that I wasn't replacing them every 2 weeks.

@Deckape75

Жыл бұрын

I was on sea duty in the 90s and I can't imagine wearing the new uniforms on an un cooled bridge or on lookout in the Persian gulf. In the dungarees deck seamen were allowed to stand bridge watch in white t-shirts at the CO'S discretion. We also lived on board the ship unless you were married and qualified for the stipend. 90% of Deck and Engineering lived on board ship full time.

4:45 How about we go to the nwu type 1 collar design and put the rank back on the collar ? How does changing the color help if you still have to look at the sternum to see the tab?

@nickrod9526

Жыл бұрын

@Kenneth, right!!!

@marjoriemaluca1396

Ай бұрын

It resembles the job they're in

Seeing things like this make me SO GLAD I retired 😌

Dude, I got out 18 years ago, and the working uniform has changed 3 times since then. That's crazy.

When joined in 1960, the Navy had just gone back to the 13 button blues, we had undress blues,undress whites, dungarees, short sleeve withes, then tried new work uniforms, twice, and the beat goes on.. I believe my Navy has gone crazy....right along with some strange type ships that they change their mind as soon as it is launched.. What a waste of money.

Bring back the bell bottom dungarees

Just one / 2 uniforms / one for everyday use and the other for ceremonies! Not tooo hard !

@Adventuregirl96

Жыл бұрын

Join the CG, our Enlisted have three.

I was on the stennis out of Bremerton in 2018, the Os don’t give a shit about enlisted, and when we changed to type 111 from blueberries it was such a big deal, I don’t miss the navy I will tell you that

I'm not in anymore, but at NWSC/NSAC as a civie I see base personnel in my work place all the time: in coveralls . . .

It's amazing how I managed to survive a 24 year career without any major uniform changes...except getting rid of salt and peppers. That was a good call. Anyway, now it seems they can't go 3 years without a major seabag overhaul. I wonder whose relative is on the boards of these manufacturers.

Shipmate I’m gonna need you to be studying for the exam in Jan… Make board… review your record for continuity… get there!

@ericdavisii3912

Жыл бұрын

And hope the Chiefs actually select you...

Freakin' squids command!!! HAHAHAhaha! Great vid!

Big Navy better not let me learn how to sew these rank tabs cause if i do i’m bout to make a bag 😭😂

I never understood why the navy needs so many different uniforms.

I recently heard the Navy doesnt issue Peacoats anymore, I cant believe it.

@Spudmuffinz

Жыл бұрын

What?! Talk about killing age old traditions. That was the best uniform article. It's the only navy uniform item I kept when I got out.

Hi, looks like to me that we have circled back to an untucked working uniform we had in the 70’s. I was a PN and loved the uniform. This was the same time Adm Zumwalt canceled the Cracker Jack uniform and forced E6 and below to wear the CPO dress blues, the only difference was the buttons on the dress coat.

@Snuffy03

Жыл бұрын

I was in The Corps when Zumwalt took away the Cracker Jacks and made all sailors look like the Good Humor man..That was a standing joke we made with the Corpsmen assigned to our platoon.

@marcmeinzer8859

Жыл бұрын

Back then the only uniform anyone ever wore other than the working seafarers was salt & peppers. You never saw anyone wearing whites or dress blues except for some ceremonies so that uniform was a total failure. It was designed by Admiral Zumwalt’s wife so so much for nepotism. If they wanted enlisted wearing an officer style uniform it should have been the old dress khakis while retaining the blue crackerjacks as a parade uniform, like the marines, but they totally screwed up.

not wearing it, my entire unit is refusing it

Honestly i had a hard problem distinguishing chief and senior chief

@nikmorales8624

Жыл бұрын

Ha especially as recruits 😂🤣 Oh the ass chewing and the IT i received for calling my ships LCPO chief instead of Senior chief 🤣😂

I was in from 1999 to 2011. When the ship pulled in from being underway, everyone who didn't have duty would immediately change into their civvies and wait for the brow to open. The problem? Chiefs would immediately nab those guys up to help with details... details that lasted long after the brow was open. Me? I would just change from my coveralls to my utilities/NWU's, so that it looked like I had duty or didn't intend to go anywhere. I wasn't a target to get put on details. And I'd walk right off after the brow opened.

@johnpauljones9310

Жыл бұрын

Air Department was always ready to go ashore soon as the lower brow was secured. No one wanted airdales to help with f*cking shore details.

When I was in you had sailors in Dugares, Overalls, and Chiefs in khakis. THANK GOD I was in the old Navy.

Coveralls on the ship/hangar. We did used to sneak home in coveralls, though. Just pull a shirt on over them.

Why are retention rates so low?

Idk bout y’all but I don’t like our coveralls . It’s inconvenient in my opinion. I think this is better not just to leave in but working in. I wear my Type 3’s to the ship currently (which these will most likely be like) however for me I feel type 3s should be shore only, on ship they shouldn’t be worn and these will replace that. Also type 3’s are pretty expensive and I’m not trying to ruin them. If these are free, atleast the first 2 sets, I wont be as pressed about it.

@FireOverLordX

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, these new 2pocs are just fulfilling the role the type 1s had which shouldn't even had been retired

@loganbonaguidi7432

Жыл бұрын

Tbh bro folk just want to complain so they can complain lmao

@dmacarthur5356

Жыл бұрын

I was detailed as the division DCPO for a cruise and was allowed to wear coveralls. One thing I noticed quickly was you couldn't strip down to t shirt in hot climates. You had to roll and tie the sleeves around the waist and wasn't practical as dungarees and t shirt.

@BluffyMoo

4 ай бұрын

​@@dmacarthur5356 I know that exact feeling so well while at NS Guam back in the mid 2000s dealing with that tropical humidity out there. 😂

Its like someone at MILPRECOM asked How many uniforms changes can the Navy do in a decade.

I joined the Navy in 1969 and retired in 2000. The Navy hade tinkered with uniforms starting in WWII but made no real major changes until the early 1970's when Zumwalt threw the seabag for enlisted Sailors into the air and came up with the first dumb changes with the coat and tie for E-6 and below, Johnny Cash Blues and Salt and Peppers. (I hated all of these changes.) This not only created an undue financial burden on our sailors, but the Navy also had to come up with lockers aboard ship for this crap. By the beginning of the 80's, we started back to Cracker Jacks. This was only the beginning. Nothing has lasted except constant change. Other viewers are correct in that someone is getting rich off of all of this and it isn't our Sailors. CNO and MCPON have to grow a set and put an end to this senseless crap. Chose a seabag that works for our Sailors and stick with it!

I'm all for replacing the giant onesie. These new uniforms are super nice quality and very very durable. I did my first 5 years on subs and our coveralls always ripped.

I bet it won’t be long before they say you can’t leave the pier in the 2Poc, for the same reason you can’t leave the pier in FRV’s: once you get paint or grease or something that clearly makes you stand out on it while working. I bet it will happen.

There was nothing wrong with the dungarees we wore in the late ‘50s and early’60s. They were for work. Wore them from 08:00 to 16:00, and if you had to go on watch, then undress blues or whites. Everything fit, except pea coat and other heavy outer wear, in your sea bag. And what’s with all the hats. There’s nothing that says Navy more than the white hat. We were issued four and wore them with EVERY uniform, whether dungarees, dress blues or whites, or undress uniforms. If I’m looking at a sailor, I’d like to be ensured it’s a sailor, and not have to guess.

The changes in the uniforms over my 20 years of service have been crazy. Starting the Dungarees, the Johnny Cashs, to the Summer white (CNTs) to coveralls. Thankfully as an MA I haven't had to wear too many of these but our rate hasn't fared any better from all the iterations of the BDU Cames to Blue didges, to Green didges. Oh and not to mention the Salt and Peppers, and the White with and without the piping.

Does the new uniform apply to my community of the Navy. I'm a Seabee or is just the fleet side.

@sirpiccolo

Жыл бұрын

I’ve interpreted it as a shipboard uniform. Plus it’s considered org gear, like how the type 3s were before the fleet side got ahold of them, and the type 2s. So as a Seabee myself, this won’t apply to us unless maybe we’re shipriding. Or possibly become an RDC, because I can absolutely see that happening

@Scoopthemoopoop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your service Men. Gonna enlist soon hoping to be a Seabee. Any advice?

@sangeli1901

Жыл бұрын

@@Scoopthemoopoop what cb rate are you trying for?

Most people don’t even need a uniform Lmao they’re in an office all damn day.

@StoogesForLIFE5

Жыл бұрын

Shit if they in an office let em wear NSUs

Red and black paint pens and that silver sharpie works wonders

The coveralls/ FRVs make more sense as an underway uniform especially on subs. You can hang it on a hook belt on ready to go and in the event of battle stations or a causality you can go from dead asleep to dressed and I route in less than a minute. That will be a lot harder with a 2 pice uniform.

For the second one I think it’s a good idea only for bootcamp. It’s usually difficult for a new recruit to differ chief and senior chief

I like the new working uniforms. No more pajamas to work in. Also, it decreases folks laying their uniforms on the ground when using the head (gross) and hopefully they last longer than the coveralls. A lot of folks hate change so people will complain no matter what. I am glad Sailors don't have to foot the bill to own a couple sets...they just have to show up to quarters, do their jobs and go home...all in one uniform lol.

Command being out of touch completely some things never change

My friends son wanted too join the Navy after doing his reseach.etc he also scored high on his MILITARY enterance test.he decided to go army .

@aahronabdul946

Жыл бұрын

Bro made a bad choice 😂

@92powerdiesel61

Жыл бұрын

@@aahronabdul946 Air force is the cush life, he should've done that.

Honestly it’s nice to not have to change uniform to go to watch then back to coveralls to train firefighting then maybe back again if you have another watch, and you can just come to work in one uniform then go home in that uniform that sounds great and like it’ll save packing space and rack space too, absolutely a W

I am glad I got out before all this craziness. I am in the Army now and no one complains about our ranks and they are in the same place. Making solutions to made up problems is the Navy way.

@KutWrite

Жыл бұрын

I always thought the Army had too much "glitter" on the unis. Then there are those two kinds of ribbons, left and right.

@kendallperkins6743

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the Army does give out ribbons like candy on Halloween....😁

@qua7771

Жыл бұрын

The army dress uniform is is blingy as hell, but the navy one is like a straight jacket. I couldn't get into it without cutting it.

@Seemsayin

Жыл бұрын

You mean... that kind of craziness would have made you regret having served any longer, had you stuck around? Last I heard, uniform changes aren't craziness. They're just another uniform. So what? Craziness would be being out at sea, and you're under attack, from an enemy. But changing to another uniform, and you'd come undone?

So glad I was green side the whole time. Deserts or Woodlands year round with dress blues for occasions, and a sea bag filled with unused Navy gear.

Being a practical person I am for BDU's / Cammie's for all Military Personnel. Make the U.S. Navy's, BDU's , Navy Gray and Blue. With Insignia etc, attachable by hook and loop. On both the Sleeves and the Collars. Marines Should be green and Blue when on board ship and when in the field an appropriate Color Scheme. Army should be a Green and Tan Pattern. All Dress Uniforms should be Blue with accents depending on the Branch of Service. Blue and Gold for Navy, Blue and Red for Marines, Sky Blue and Silver for the Air Force, and Dark Blue and Cobalt blue for the Space Force. If you want to differentiate between E-1 to E-3, E-4 to E-6 , E-7 to E-9, and Warrant Officer's and Officers etc, etc then just use a different color belt. And another thing, if I was POTUS right now, I would scrutinize those changes with a fine toothed comb. And then I would hand it back to the Admiralty and say " Gentlemen, I said ' Simplify, not Stupify ', try again".

The new 2POCs I'm looking forward to trying them on. I really hope they're not as hot as the NWUs bc I hate how they trap heat. The rank tab thing is dumb to me. Changing the color doesn't do shit if people are still going to have to look at your chest for rank. As a woman I never felt it was creepy or caused problems personally but for those that wanted the change, here it is and it solves nothing.

The dungarees served me very well

I was in from 2012-2014. We were issued the NWU Blue Digi camo. While I was in I noticed some had the Green digi variation. I was told that it was for those on shore duty or in Aviation. I heard from a lot of veteran sailors they really hated the “blueberries” vs the “guacs” but in comparison to what they are trying to push now? Jesus. Glad I’m not in anymore with all the crazy stuff I’ve heard about the navy in the recent years.

I wonder if the 2POC will eventually replace the type lll's, if so how would that work for sailors on shore duty or who work security or boots on ground deployments? This uniform works for ship board usage, but doesn't look proper off ship.

I saw this coming back in June when I made E5 and ordered my tabs then. I got them pretty quick. I ordered some for an E6 Friend in August and they haven't shipped. They're on back order.

Hey man I’m looking to possibly become a navy sarc do you have any information for that and I know things are always changing in the military any updated information will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

The problem isn't the new uniforms, the Navy needs to have an inport uniform and an at sea uniform. The new Khakis and then the new solid navy blue uniform when it comes online (you know its only a matter of time) as the inport uniforms. Then have the Coveralls as the at sea uniform for the majority.

Served 1975 - 1995. Issued utilities (royal blue shirt, navy blue twill pants) and coat & tie dress blues in boot camp, wore tropical white longs during black dirt season, and then salt & peppers, and gunfighters during white dirt season. Finally, we got the jumpers back, and I loved them. I wore my flight suit when I was flying (Aircrew), and dungarees “when the nature of the work would unduly soil or ruin the Uniform of the Day”, per Uniform Regs. Then, I made Chief and wore khakis every day (except when flying/ready crew). Back in coat & tie dress blues (nicer ones, though), and got to purchase summer whites, choker whites, mess dress blues. I didn’t buy aviation greens, because as nice as they were, they were not a liberty uniform. (?) Brown shoes, white shoes, black shoes. Coveralls covered the “dress dungarees”, then the coveralls got embroidery and became a uniform in itself, and that’s when it all went off the rails. After I retired, in came Blueberries, E1-E6 in khakis with black piss cutters, wash khakis, dress khakis, BDUs of almost every flavor, and now 2POCs. When I was in, I suggested the dungarees be replaced with BDUs, since the other branches were in them, but the Navy ones should be gray, as in haze gray. I’m pretty sure sailors are done fighting in the desert, so they don’t need khaki BDUs (2POCs).

Don’t know why I’m so attached to dungarees. As a HM in tropical climes it was whites, whites, whites.

What a shame haha that digital blue camo was fucking sick good thing I’m purchasing some navy surplus for civilian use 😂

Too many Seniors got sick of being called Chief lol

Nicky I’ve officially promoted you. Take care of this mess!