Thank you for insight Natasha Hausdorff. As a German non Jew I stand with Israel.

@frankdunne-gp6oy

Ай бұрын

We know about your disgusting behaviour, you don't have to remind us.

This explanation is very helpful for laypeople to understand and refute misinformation.

@Rogermoore-wp6jh

2 ай бұрын

Because Israel has it's own version of everything and their version should be the one accepted by everyone i guess. She just explained Israel's version of international law meaning the rest of the world is wrong and Israel alone is right. The UN and every other international humanitarian and legal organization is wrong and Israel is right as always.

@darylmorse

2 ай бұрын

@@Rogermoore-wp6jh This is utter nonsense. There is only one "version" of international law. It's the same international law that created Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq. All of these countries resulted from the French and British Mandates. The only ones that aren't accepting the law are the arabs occupying Gaza (Egyptians) and the arabs occupying the west bank (Jordanians). You seriously need to read some history.

@Rogermoore-wp6jh

2 ай бұрын

@@darylmorse i guess I need to read the zionist version of history then. The UN, ICC, and ICJ calls all of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem illegal settlements and Israel an occupier in Gaza yet here you are saying the lady in the post is right. That's why I'm telling you that there's a zionist version of everything and the lady(who according to you zionists is right and every other legal expert on earth is wrong) is simply explaining the zionist version of international law.

@justsomeofmyfavs

Ай бұрын

@@Rogermoore-wp6jh Do you have any actual counter-argument to what she has said?

@Rogermoore-wp6jh

Ай бұрын

@@justsomeofmyfavs you mean the lies and wrong explanations she said?

I will be referring to the area as "Disputed" from now on. Thank you for your valuable insight Natasha.

@seuntimilehin3381

10 күн бұрын

She says the entire territory(British mandate of Palestine) became the state of Israel and Israel had the right to the whole territory when they declared independence even though the west bank and gaza wasn't part of their borders for independence but then she says the West bank is disputed territory? If the west bank was supposedly supposed to be Israel's sovereign territory from independence why is it "disputed" territory?

@gungahlin10

10 күн бұрын

@@seuntimilehin3381 I guess its disputed because that is land The Arabs want for a Palestinian State. I can't see Israel handing it back over and neither should they.

More people need to be educated about this👍🇦🇺

@somethingsinlife5600

6 ай бұрын

Alot of Orwellian speak...What she's saying is "There's no such thing as a Palestinian people. No natives around here. Brits made double promises but who cares! We are white, we win".

@somethingsinlife5600

6 ай бұрын

She will also never tackle the Apartheid system that Israel has created. But sure! Convince yourself that you're educated about this.

@shonlondon7566

6 ай бұрын

actually she does address the diversity of Israel the most inclusive in all the middle east and the fact the you use the word Apartheid shows your lack of understanding and knowledge, you must be one that thinks that all Israelis are white people from europe😊@@somethingsinlife5600

@anthonymorris5084

6 ай бұрын

@@somethingsinlife5600 Israel is not an apartheid state. This is a fallacious slander made by Jew haters who dishonestly conflate the sovereign state of Israel with the West Bank. Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as every Jew. Especially if you're a female or gay Arab. It's the only place in the Middle East an Arab can vote. There are Arab political parties in Israel. Arab MPs sit in Israeli Parliament. There's an Arab on the Israeli supreme court. Arabs fight side by side with Jews in the IDF and hold positions of command. Israel is the antithesis of an apartheid state, and making this claim while ignoring the human rights abusing totalitarian dictatorships that surround it is flagrant selective outrage. Perhaps it is you who requires educating.

@ashleydickenson2093

5 ай бұрын

@@somethingsinlife5600 No apartheid - that's wrong.

After 5 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 they've lost ANY right whatsoever to refer to international law while discussing Israel's actions.

@MegaLotusEater

7 ай бұрын

Who's 'they'? You realise the Palestinian people currently being bombed are not the same as the Arab regimes who went to war in 1948? They're not the same people, they're not from the same country, they're not even from the same time. Your argument makes no sense.

@ahappyimago

7 ай бұрын

@@MegaLotusEaterLol they are from the same countries. There originally was no “Palestinians.” For example Yasser Arafat was born in Egypt. But the point is you can’t cry about human rights after a failed attempt to genocide the Jews

@MegaLotusEater

7 ай бұрын

@@ahappyimago The people living in Gaza today have nothing to do with the regimes that went to war in 1948 anymore than the people living in America now have anything to do with the bombing of Hiroshima.

@ahappyimago

7 ай бұрын

@@MegaLotusEater So what?

@MegaLotusEater

7 ай бұрын

So, the innocent Palestinian civilians *do* have every right to evoke international law. The fact that 80 years ago some Arab regimes went to war with Israel is entirely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the Palestinians today.

Wow, a video from a year ago, that had 1 comments on it until last week. Natasha Hausdorff is brilliant!!!

In 1947 3/5 ths of the Eastern part of the British Mandate of Palestine was partitioned to create the present country of Jordan, a Muslim Kingdom run by a single family. Nobody complained about this. The following year the British gave up sovereignty of the remaining 2/5 ths and so the newly formed United Nations decided on a further partition to create a another Arab state and a Jewish state. All the Muslim countries opposed this and have never ratified this partition, which are now called the Gaza Strip/ the West Bank the Arab parts and Israel the Jewish part. So how can Israel be accused of occupying someone else's land that has never been officially ratified by anyone????

@hus390

5 ай бұрын

Because the Brits had no businesses promising anything to European Jews, and get bribed to be shipped to Palestine. Now though, I’m Ok Israel because the by gones are by gones!

@aryastark3148

5 күн бұрын

Were nearly 1M people ethnically cleansed out of the area that is now Jordan? No? See therein lies the issue with "Israel". Besides the fact that many Jordanians are unhappy with their government but can do nothing about it. Thanks UK for creating puppet dictatorships everywhere.

If anyone wants more detail on the concept of Uti Possidetis Juris, its historical origins and applications, and its misapplication re: Israel, I encourage you to read the academic article PALESTINE, UTI POSSIDETIS JURIS, AND THE BORDERS OF ISRAEL by Abraham Bell & Eugene Kontorovich, both law professors in the US. It's a freely available PDF.

@DepakoteMeister

7 ай бұрын

Ah yes, the US, the country that arms Israel.

@twisterli9177

6 ай бұрын

You mean you didn't understand it?

@DepakoteMeister

6 ай бұрын

@@twisterli9177 I didn't read it because, as my post hinted at, I didn't deem it worthwhile as the US has a vested interest in supported a Jewish state in the Middle East, and consequently I seriously doubt the neutrality of the article.

@1czechit1

6 ай бұрын

thank you for this!

@1czechit1

6 ай бұрын

every paper needs neutrality? Really? There goes the entire humanities department. @@DepakoteMeister

Great to have her intellect on our side. Beautiful woman

The Imaginary Palestinian state: 1.Before Israel there was a British mandate, not a singular Palestinian People, Nation or State. But a mix of Jews, Christians and Arabs (from Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon) co-existing in villages. November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) divided Great Britain's former Mandate into 2 Jewish and Arab states Israel accepted the partition in 1947. But the Arabs launched a war to murder and drive out the Jews…and have done ever since. Wars the Arabs started, but lost. 2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 3. Before the Ottoman Empire, it was the Islamic state of Egypt’s Mamluks, not a Palestinian state. 4. Before the establishment of the Islamic Mamluk state from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid state, not a Palestinian state. 5. Before the Ayyubid Empire, it was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state. 6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, it was the Umayyad and Fatimid states, not a Palestinian state. 7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sasanian Empire, it was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire, it was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 11. Before the Roman Empire, it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state. 12. Before the Hasmonean state, it was the Seleucid state, not a Palestinian state. 13. Before the Seleucid Empire, it was Alexander’s empire, not a Palestinian state. 14. Before Alexander’s empire, it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and it was not a Palestinian state. 17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was no Kingdom of Israel in the Kingdom of Israel, nor a Palestinian state. 18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state. 19. Before the theocracy of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. 20. The truth is that in this land kingdoms fell and fell... but there was never a State or a Palestinian people. Palestinians are Arabs and Arabs came from the Arabian Peninsula. They are the original inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula. It is pure propaganda to claim that Arabs alone are the sole inhabitants of the land or that the Palestinians are distinct peoples from the Arabs. The family names of ‘Palestinians’ are connected to their Arab lands of origin. These were names they arrived with and the DNA they retain.

@philip5940

7 ай бұрын

One day maybe by osmosis I'll understand all of this but for now I have an intuitive feel along those lines . Oren on Israel Traveling is pretty good but my comprehension there is also about 70% .

@vpghahat6328

7 ай бұрын

Lol, First it doesn't matter if it was ever an independent state, the people are living there and they have a right to self determination. Second, your "mix of Arabs" doesn't mention that the Jews were 8% of the population. This is hardly any equal mix, why should 8% receive half the land. Your post is the pure propaganda, read researched and documented facts such as in Ilan Pappe "The ethnic cleansing of Palestine"

@stephendoherty981

7 ай бұрын

Arabs were in Palastine before the Jews. The Jews kicked them out of their homes at gunpoint in 1948. It's called ethnic cleansing.

@katiegallus6876

7 ай бұрын

Amazing post ty

@imonlydancingsal1509

7 ай бұрын

A lesser discussed and known fact, is that Arab states - Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and others - have driven out 800,000 Jews from their lands since 1947. None of those Jews were offered land, a district, a principality, an inch of land within the borders of these Arab lands. Nor did the world rally to support these disposessed Jewish families. The 'Palestinians' have also rejected 2 state peace solutions, multiple times since 1947. Most famously in recent times Clinton bemoaned Arafat's 'colossal error' . Yasser Arafat's biggest mistake was to reject a peace deal brokered by the United States in 2000, which would have given him much of what he had demanded for the Palestinians for 40 years. If you don't want peace you act like Hamas and the Palestinian leadership. Peace means the EU, the US, and UN stop paying billions $$ in 'Aid' to corrupt terror leaders living in luxury in Qatar and elsewhere. @@katiegallus6876

Well stated, clear and accurate.

@Ogofor3913

7 ай бұрын

WHEN YOU REPEAT A LIE LONG ENOUGH, EVEN YOU START BELIEVING IT YOURSELF. She's just trying to be SMART while actually speaking rubbish. Palestine was partitioned by the UN and all involved were given SPECIFIC BORDERS because there has been on going conflict there over land. THESE BORDERS GIVEN BY THE UN SHOULD BE THE ONLY ONE RECOGNIZED FOREVER. If Israel had been weak AND Palestinians took more of its UN allocated land, it will NOT be recognized. Israel accepted this partition because MOSTLY Palestinians will lose land and be evicted from homes. Now Israel accuse the UN of being Anti-Israel. The irony. If 🇮🇱 ALWAYS wanted peace and continued support from the UN and others, all they needed to do was defend the recognized borders from enemies. Not STEAL more from the owners and natives because you won fight. That will NEVER be recognized as legal. So yes, it's OCCUPATION. And the systematic eviction of natives or discrimination against them, is called ethnic cleansing AND APARTHEID Respectfully. No amount of CLEVER words will change that.

This shows how strong the antiemetic propaganda machine is

@martinbeverley9536

4 ай бұрын

I think you mean antisemitic, not antiemetic. (An emetic makes you vomit.)

@whatsup9260

Ай бұрын

@@martinbeverley9536 kinda the same as for that panel !?

Thank you Natasha !

The best explanation you can listen to.

Wow. There's a LOT of information there in four minutes. Only one conclusion, the complexities of customary international law need more clarification in the public space. Whatever, this eloquent lady did a fine job in trying to cover it.

I cannot understand how Judea & Samaria can be classed as “disputed territory.” The Palestinian Arabs have never at any time in history owned that territory or any part of it. Israel recovered it from Jordan, not the Palestinians, in 1967. Jordan had conquered and held that territory illegally since the 1948/49 war with Israel so how is it possible for it to suddenly become “disputed Palestinian territory?” In 1922 the entire territory, between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, was given to World Jewry as their National Homeland under the legally recognised and binding Mandate for Palestine 1922 issued by the League of Nations. That decision was made following discussions at the San Remo Conference in 1920 when representatives of the Jewish peoples and the Arab peoples met with the victorious principle allied war powers of WW1 (Britain, the U.S., France, Italy and Japan.) The purpose of the San Remo conference was to agree on how the territory, which had been ruled for the previous 400 years by the Turkish Ottoman Empire, was to be allocated between the native peoples of those lands having legitimate claims to them. They agreed at San Remo that the Mandate for Mesopotamia (now Iraq) and the Mandate for Syria should both be given to the Arabs and the Mandate for Palestine should be given to the Jewish people in recognition of their 3,500-year-old unbroken connection to that territory. Jews have been living in Israel continuously since around 1406 BCE -- from the time when the Assyrian Empire was still a major force in the Middle East. No provision was made for the so-called ‘Palestinian People’ during the San Remo talks because no such race existed at that time. It was not until 44 years later that Yasser Arafat and his KGB friends in Russia invented them to use as a propaganda weapon against Israel. They were armed with the slanderous narrative that the Jews had stolen their land and the entire Jewish State was a European colonialist construct that had to be destroyed by any means necessary including ceaseless acts of terrorism. Hence, the shouts we hear today from Jew-haters around the world “from the (Jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea, Palestine will be free.” They mean, of course, free of Jews. In other words, they are calling for the genocide of the Jewish People in their own ancestral Homeland and for Israel to be replaced with yet another Islamic state. But the facts speak for themselves. The Jewish State is not "occupying" a single inch of land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea that does not belong to them both legally under international law since the League of Nations Mandate 1922 was issued to them and historically for thousands of years.

@davidlowen7802

7 ай бұрын

Spot on; wel put!

@michealfriedman7084

7 ай бұрын

You are not allowed to tell the truth.

@jittmet7766

7 ай бұрын

It's disputed cos the Arabs want it. That's all.

@johngreylove1359

7 ай бұрын

It's not disputed. It's Arab territory. There is no such thing as Israel and never was any state of isreal

@michealfriedman7084

7 ай бұрын

@@johngreylove1359 Has there ever been a land called Israel?

Silly old United Nations getting it all so wrong.

@1czechit1

6 ай бұрын

not silly...disingenuous, corrupt, in bed with the worst...

@Quito266

Ай бұрын

The UN too frequently gets things wrong.

@Anigmama

Ай бұрын

Pick and choose the UN decisions that suit you. And then there are real people and real lives.

Natasha, thank you !

Brilliant! I watched several times to bake sure i got everything

@philip5940

7 ай бұрын

And thus you coped with the audio quality. Good then .

@somethingsinlife5600

6 ай бұрын

Alot of mumbo jumbo and Orwellian speak...What she's saying is "There's no such thing as a Palestinian people. No natives around here. Brits made double promises but who cares! We are white, we win".

@somethingsinlife5600

6 ай бұрын

She will also never tackle the Apartheid system that Israel has created. But sure! Convince yourself that this was "Brilliant" and thus you are too for "Understanding it".

@irlshrek

6 ай бұрын

@@somethingsinlife5600 no idea what your last sentence even means

@somethingsinlife5600

6 ай бұрын

@@irlshrek I made two replies. Are both visible? Or is youtube bugging/deleting comments again. Which specific sentence are you referring to?

Brilliant explanation! 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦This lady is informative and impressive. With her sound knowledge of the legal system...

@drriks0017

Ай бұрын

If you like the sound of distorted propaganda 😂😂😂

@piege2

Ай бұрын

@@drriks0017 projection?

Jews are from Judea, Arabs are from Arabia. Almost a million Jews were kicked out of Arab lands in 1948, (my grandparents included). So Jews aren't allowed to live in Arab lands, which they had done long before Islam existed, and we're not allowed to live in our ancient ancestral homeland. So where are we supposed to live??

@sebastiancalderon3273

7 ай бұрын

Don't ask, it's in Judea, period.

@chaselee86

7 ай бұрын

You've got your land already. Is it not big enough? Why are settlers so greedy that they want more lands in the West Bank?

@lapamful

7 ай бұрын

Lol spectactular ignorance. The Arabs alone posess some 22 countries spread out across N. Africa, and the Mideast, there are some 56 nations that are Islamic with most of the world's oil wealth and a tiny postage stamp that is 0.01% of the Mideast called Israel is the problem?? Btw the West Bank is the revisionist term most racists use for Judea, just like 'palestine' is used to replace the name and identity of the land of Israel, for the same purpose. Why is that people who don't know anything support pa-lie-stein? @@chaselee86

@sebastiancalderon3273

7 ай бұрын

23% of the land is Jewish Palestine, called Israel, 77% of the land is Arab Palestine, called Jordan. They got most of it, end of the discussion. If you wanna free the rest of Palestine go to Jordan.@@chaselee86

@chaselee86

7 ай бұрын

@@lapamful 1948 border does not include west bank and Gaza. Of course you would say it's because the Palestinians did not accept two states solution, so Israel can take whatever they want after the war. But to be realistic, the only way of peace is Hamas and PLO should be removed, Palestinians should accept two-state solution, but at the same time Israel should also honour the original border, and settlers should retreat from their settlements.

A very clear and helpful explanation of Israel's position in the Occupation debate.

Interesting

This felt worth a watch for me while I’m trying to learn about different people’s viewpoints :)

You can't occupy what was yours to begin with. To all the jew haters, go learn some history

@stephendoherty981

7 ай бұрын

There is biblical or historical claim for a Zionist state in Palastine. You're just making one up. Fact.

@stephendoherty981

7 ай бұрын

'No claim'

@johngreylove1359

7 ай бұрын

God isn't a real estate agent

@Nightf0x_

7 ай бұрын

@johngreylove1359 you're right. Land doesn't belong to anyone. The strongest gets to keep it.

@sharoncarolbrand1645

Ай бұрын

@@johngreylove1359 he is the Land was given to Israel over 3000 years ago.

"Uti possidetis juris"

this is the long lecture she refers - kzread.info/dash/bejne/fneAsqRrmcWtfrQ.html (Jerusalem and the Israeli settlements according to international law - Natasha Hausdorff)

Natasha Hausdorff's tightly-reasoned and dispassionate deconstruction of the favorite shibboleth of the Anti-Israel crowd, that being the "occupation," has brought up my previously flagging respect for "barristers" by at least two levels. My only problem with her is that she is such a stunningly gorgeous woman that in order to pay proper attention to what she is saying, I have to turn away from the tv. I recommend her for the cover of the lawyer's magazine, Sports Torts Illustrated.

@karmar22able

7 күн бұрын

Get over yourself and your obsession. She is attractive. That’s it.

@forrestsmith9235

7 күн бұрын

@@karmar22able It’s my obsession and I’ll drool if I want to. She is drop-dead gorgeous.

I'd like to add that; Both Egypt and Jordan surrendered formally _(that's a legal term)_ both the West Bank of Transjordan and Gaza, to Israel. So, Ms Hausdorff, with her legal-speak of much the same; is absolutely correct.

Yes natasha

And she has great legs too.

@samsolomon6152

Ай бұрын

...and that's according to international law :P

This genius young lady@Natasha is awesome. One in a million lady.❤

The camera angle made it very difficult for me to concentrate… still i think she is certainly right 😅

"The Mandate for Palestine is valid to this day. Article 80 of the UN charter implicitly recognizes the Mandate for Palestine of the league of nations. This Mandate granted Jews the irrevocable right to settle in the area of Palestine, anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea; a right unaltered in international law and is valid to this day. Jewish settlements in Judea, Samaria (i.e. the West bank), Gaza and the whole of Jerusalem are legal". From Eli E. Hertz,"This is my Land". The "Palestinian Authority, however declared a State of Palestine in 1988 in Algiers. On November 11 2012, the State of Palestine was recognized by the UN. According to international law, a state is declared on land that is under ones control. So, why is everyone trying to create a state that already exists? Because the world feels the need to eternally fight the Jews.

@AdegbengaOgungbeje

2 ай бұрын

What makes the mandate valid?

@sharonjb.y111

2 ай бұрын

​@AdegbengaOgungbeje The creation of State of Israel (including what people love to call the "Westbank") was voted by the UN. After the Majority of members voted Yes Israel wad born. Immediately after Ben Gurion made his famous declaration, five Arab armies attacked Israel and Jordan succeded in ilegally occupying Judea and Samaria and expelled all the Jews from the area. In the 1967 war Israel managed to reclaim its land but did not expell all the Arabs there, and that's when the propaganda war against the Israel began; calling Israeli settlements there an "illegal ocupation", which is baloney because J&S were an integral part of the land designated for the State of Israel in the first place and was voted by the UN. Because the world has always had a problem with the Jews it has always been looking for ways to pester it... Nevertheless, because of reality, Israel thought it was a good idea to give the Arabs in J&S an autonomy over their lives and (stupidly) gave them a small state in Gaza, which we all know was abused and use as a platform for continued war against Israel.

@AdegbengaOgungbeje

2 ай бұрын

@@sharonjb.y111 So if the UN nations vote that all Israelis should leave and the area becomes a Palestenian state you would agree?

@AdegbengaOgungbeje

2 ай бұрын

@@sharonjb.y111 Stop lying. The world didnt have a problem with Jews until Zionism reared its ugly head.

@AdegbengaOgungbeje

2 ай бұрын

@@sharonjb.y111 Stop lying. Judea and Samaria were not part of the 56 % based on resolution 181.

It takes two to tango...

@FreeSpeechThought

3 ай бұрын

WTF you babbling about???

its the arabs who are occupying judea and samaria...not the opposite.

laws and justice are not synonymous, the State of Palestinian should have been granted sovereignty in 1947-48

Very enlightening

Love you Natasha!

Wow. And herein lies the important of rhetorical framing, which in this case boils down to a single false word: occupation. It could swing the entire war, depending on how it’s further accepted or rejected

@seuntimilehin3381

10 күн бұрын

She says the entire territory(British mandate of Palestine) became the state of Israel and Israel had the right to the whole territory when they declared independence even though the west bank and gaza wasn't part of their borders for independence but then she says the West bank is disputed territory? If the west bank was supposedly supposed to be Israel's sovereign territory from independence why is it "disputed" territory?

Intelligent and beautiful.

@ibntulun9405

8 ай бұрын

... and wrong.

@fishbmw

8 ай бұрын

@@ibntulun9405 The law states otherwise.

@felder9049

8 ай бұрын

And honest...

@ibntulun9405

8 ай бұрын

@@fishbmw You mean her interpretation of the law states otherwise. An interpretation which is hard to find outside of a few pro-Israel legal experts seemingly in recent years only. Plenty of other interpretations out there that suggest otherwise. Not to mention the international community as a whole since 1948. Apart from anything else. To my knowledge (I'm interested to know if this is the case) Israel itself has never used the Uti Possidetis Juris argument and has treated the West Bank as an occupied territory.

@coolhand1966

8 ай бұрын

@@ibntulun9405 citations needed

If it's not an illegal occupation but instead legally a part of Israël proper, then you can't claim it's not an apartheid in the areas where Israeli Jews are subject to Israeli Civil law and protections and Palestinians are subject to Israeli Military law.

@EyalHarari

Ай бұрын

You are wrong. The Palestinians have an autonomy. They are citizens of that autonomy. Area C with a small number of Arabs, is still waiting to be resolved. Expect it to come compliantly under Israeli rule once the current problems are dealt with. The small number of Arabs who live in area C, will then be able to apply for Israeli citizenship.

@kovie9162

Ай бұрын

The West Bank is neither illegally occupied nor a part of Israel proper. If it was the former then what legal entity would it be illegally occupying? And clearly it's not the latter because it's either under autonomous Palestinian control to do with as they please or Israeli military control, no part of which is part of Israel proper nor subject to its laws, including the settlements.

@seuntimilehin3381

10 күн бұрын

​@@kovie9162 if it's not part of Israel proper and they are building settlements and installing various checkpoints through out, isn't that occupation? She says Jordan occupied the west bank but then Israel isn't occupying the West bank?

Natasha is formidable.

@1.34 "Uti possidetis juris"

That’s one smart lady.

She is such an eloquent, intelligent orator without hesitation or deviation. I could listen to her all day.

Thanks.

I did my best to listen but to much distraction from extraneous sounds .

@BenAdam-om2hr

7 ай бұрын

Awwww...Back to the video games for you, then!

Really wonderful woman not afraid to stand up for the Jewish people !!! Would be nice if she dressed more modestly like daughter of Israel. Not talking extreme just basic

She is brilliant

Strange that an expert on international law neglected to mention 2 key issues: 1. That Jordan occupied the Judea and Samaria illegally, having conquered it during the 1948 war which the Arabs started. The law says when territory is taken from an illegal occupier, it is forfeit, for there is no legal entity to return it to. A thief can't say give back what I stole. The "Palestinians" hadn't yet invented themselves and they are irrelevant to that situation. The Jordanians had 19 years to create a "Palestinian" state in the West Bank, and they didn't, for a well known reason. 2. In 1967 Jordan attacked Israel unprovoked and after being begged not to. The law says about territory taken from an attacker during the resultant war, that it is forfeit and there's no duty to return it. The speaker did fill in one very important fact - the explanation why Jordan was actually an illegal occupier in the West Bank.

@lomgale

5 ай бұрын

@user-ws6cp3np7t You are wrong. She talks about these things in length. This was simply a very short introduction to her other talks. Look for them.

First I hear "the status of the territory Israel 'recovered'", then moments later I hear "a new state that comes into being, inherits the preexisting boundaries of whatever administrative unit preceded it." To recover, you must have existed and had possession of said property or entity, which precludes that you can be a 'new' state or entity. So which one is it, recover or inherit? Logic and definitions deny the simultaneous application of both.

FOC

So: 2 countries declared independence in 1948 - The Kingdom of Jordan and Israel. Both countries agree on both their territories and have no beef between them over territories. The Palestinians (who did not declare independence in 1948 because they rejected the UN resolution) therefore have no legal right over eithed Jordan or Israel. On the Oslo accords (1993) Israel agreed to establish a Palestinian state, and the territory of it was agreed by both Israel and Palestine - it is the same territory that exists today. Therefore the term Occupation doesn't apply to Jordan because Jordan does not consider Judea to be their territory. And the term doesn't apply on Palestine since it's territory had not been occupied by Israel since it's establishemnt in 1993. And so, the conclusion is, that once Israel will annex Judea, as long as it doesn't include the Palestinian territories (Oslo accords), it will not be an occupation by international law.

@EyalHarari

7 ай бұрын

@SesameMilk Correct, with one caveat. The Oslo Agreement, out of which the Palestinians received control ‎over the only territory they ever controlled, placed one obligation on the Palestinians. To stop ‎terror. They never, not even for one hour of one day, complied with that obligation. Israel will ‎be fully within its rights to remove the Palestinian control from the territory it placed in their hands.‎

@chaselee86

7 ай бұрын

Then why are so many Israeli settlers move into West Bank?

@EyalHarari

7 ай бұрын

@@chaselee86 Why shouldn't they? Would you for example complain about Arabs moving to Europe? You do know that Jews are already cleansed from Gaza and areas A and B. Would you call to remove Palestinians from Israeli area?

My love has very beautiful legs. Well...she is gorgeous from head to toe!

Coz it is covered by the unilateral Balfour Declaration sponsored by the British & powered by the UN in 1917..

@isaacgoldman5904

8 ай бұрын

UN? 1917?

Brilliant!

(cut from the net). " J'ai été frappé par le paragraphe suivant de l'excellent article de Michal Aharony : " Ce qui est si difficile à accepter dans l'hypothèse d'Arendt sur la « banalité du mal » - et ce qui a suscité l'opposition au livre en Israël - c'est qu'elle posait ici une nouvelle sorte de conscience. Contrairement au jugement rendu lors du procès, Arendt ne pensait pas qu'Eichmann devait « fermer ses oreilles à la voix de la conscience » ou qu'il manquait complètement de conscience, mais que la voix de la conscience de la société allemande « respectable » ne lui dites pas qu'il devrait se sentir coupable de ses actes. "Le même mécanisme n'est-il pas à l'œuvre dans la société israélienne ?".

This is the most preposterous arguments I have every heard. Israel through force and collusion with foreign powers prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state. Then this women over 70 years later justifies that aggression by saying the land is not occupied because a Palestinian state never existed. No honest person can take this seriously.

@justsomeofmyfavs

Ай бұрын

Complete falsification of history, as befits a Muslim. It's the Arabs who rejected the partition plan and establishment of their state in mandate Palestine.

@imonlydancingsal1509

Ай бұрын

You need to learn some history. The Arabs were offered their own state by UN as were the Jews. The Arabs said No. The Jews said yes. Established Israel. Then the Arab neighbours ganged up, started a war to end Israel. But they lost and failed. Now they're salty about ' not having a state' ? The Arabs want ALL the land, not peace with Israel. It is not occupied land. It is land the 'Palestinians' missed out on through passing or losing wars to kill the Jews.

Maybe someone can enlighten me -- if the land should be Israeli (and I agree that it should), why has Israel not formally annexed the region and invited Palestinians to become Israeli citizens, rather than continue to deal with them according to military law? I mean, I get Israel needs to protect itself, and I understand the need to retain a Jewish majority, but does this not then contribute to the often-held idea of an apartheid state?

@EyalHarari

2 ай бұрын

Israel will, when the time is right, include Area C under Israeli law. At this time, Arabs living in this area (small numbers) will be able to apply for Israeli citizenship. Areas A and B are, under agreement with the Palestinians, a Palestinian Autonomy. Israel is not forced to include citizens of other entities as its own citizens. It is also ridiculous to expect Israel to accept them as citizens, given that they are already citizens of an enemy entity.

If it were the other way round and it went from 90% native Zionists to Zionists becoming the minority and you were thrown out of your homes your family had lived in for generations and ended up living in an apartheid state while the colonialists were granted a state of their own, you too would categorise this as bull.

@EyalHarari

Ай бұрын

Your problem is that you based your theory on lies. Israel did not "thrown out" anybody, it was attacked, by 7 Arab armies and the local Arab population, with the stated intention of annihilation. Many Arabs escaped, before and during the fighting. Those who remain are today the only Arabs in the Middle East who live in a free democracy. Both the apartheid claim and the colonialism slur are dirty lies. But as a Palestinian supporter, if you could not relay on lies, you would have nothing to say.

@davebown8145

Ай бұрын

@@EyalHarari @EyalHarari None of this violence existed until Zionists moved into Palestine from everywhere other than Palestine and at an unprecedented rate, protected and facilitated by the largest colonialists of all time, the British. You seriously believe you can move into a territory and displace and disrupt the local population for your own selfish goals and everything will just be fine. Grow up. And by the way, I want everyone to live together peacefully, not one side more than another, I condemn the actions of Hamas but in my experience I am yet to have a discussion with a Zionist where they're not putting themselves first.

@kovie9162

Ай бұрын

Which has what to do with what ACTUALLY happened and the ACTUAL applicable laws? Kindly refer us to any laws that were broken or other violations of existing norms up till 1967.

@kovie9162

Ай бұрын

@@davebown8145 Again, what facts do you have to support any of this? Show me where any people already there were illegally displaced by immigrating Jews? You're speaking in vague generalities without any supporting facts, and substituting anger for substance.

@davebown8145

Ай бұрын

@@kovie9162 Deir Yassin, there's but one.

If there is no illegal occupation it must be a 57 year legal occupation and Israel commiting the crime of apartheid must be lawful in their eyes

Very simple explanation on Isrzel as an occupier Thank you

@yigalmit

7 ай бұрын

How can jew occupie Arabs in Judea, that's just stupid. Arabs have no connection to Israel, there is not one city or town that is originally Arab in this land, Palasatanian national movement was born around 1964.

@merlindavilla797

7 ай бұрын

@yigalmit I agree with you..Israel is not an occupier country

@jittmet7766

7 ай бұрын

And you've completely ignored the whole content. Not surprising.

This woman is a lethal instrument against stupidity and hysteria

It was neither palestinian nor jews according to all this, but boundaries were established and trespassed.

It's not really up to Israel alone to define international Law, to be fair.

@EyalHarari

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, you talk nonsense. Israel does not define International law. The reason it is called international law is becouse it is agreed upon (defined) internationally.

@chrisdunbar3400

Ай бұрын

@@EyalHarari yes and more than 95% of countries and the UN disagree with here,

@EyalHarari

Ай бұрын

@@chrisdunbar3400 Sound like a lynch mob.

Natasha Hausdorff is the lawyer representing and defending pure evil of our time.

@ipauls47

Ай бұрын

Nonsense. She definitely knows Good from Evil. Sadly, you don't.

@SeekerofknowlegeandTruth-ci3hs

Ай бұрын

@ipauls47 All you guys like Natasha have are lies and smears. No logic, no truth, no humanity.

@dh5142

Ай бұрын

​@SeekerofknowlegeandTruth-ci3hs says someone who tries to defend barbaric terrorists and rapists.

Straight forward, anything but. Talking in circles imho.

Hey Natasha! She said 'That isnt going to be Israels borders indefinitely.' Didnt u say the inherit the borders of the previous state. Are the borders defined or fluid? Make up ur mind now.

It's the "Affirmation to Negate" clause of the International Convention on Genocide that mandates airstrikes on innocent civilians apparently....

What?? Did I hear that? The West Bank was territory that Israel 'recovered' in 1967? 😂

@rennyskiathitis8178

8 ай бұрын

Yup, the territory was given to the Jews by the Mandate.

@ibntulun9405

8 ай бұрын

@@rennyskiathitis8178 'Yup'? It was understood that the mandate would implement the Balfour Declaration. But the BD didn't specify how much of Palestine would be given to a Jewish state (hence partition plans). The borders of Israel, at the time of recognition as a member of the UN, and in every subsequent jurisdiction are the pre-1967 borders. Hausdorff has done some interesting legal footwork here but it doesn't wash - no-one buys it. The other issue, rather obviously, is that if one were to argue that the West Bank is NOT occupied then what of the status of the Palestinian Arabs who have no legal rights? They should count as full citizens of Israel. If not, then it's clearly apartheid. She can't have it both ways.

@benqurayza7872

8 ай бұрын

The original borders of the Palestine Mandate in 1920 also included the Kingdom of Jordan and the Golan Heights. The first was created by the British to reward their Hashemite allies against the Ottomans. The Golan was given to French Syria. So, only Palestine west of the Jordan River remained in the Mandate. Skipping forward to 2023, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan has a large Palestinian majority including Queen Rania. And there also are two Palestinian statelets in the Palestinian Authority and Gaza. The remaining State of Israel is the size of Belgium, mostly desert. But that has not assuage Palestinian Arab jihadist ambitions.

@eelswamp

8 ай бұрын

She was referring to the doctrine of uti possidetis juris. Her claim is that since Israel was the only state to accept the UN partition, they inherited the whole territory of the British Mandate. She could have elaborated on that. It didn't help that someone coughed when she finished her sentence.😅

@eelswamp

8 ай бұрын

​@@ibntulun9405The relevant resolution was the UN declaration 181, not the Balfour Declaration. Zionists accepted it. Arabs rejected it. Her Uti possidetis juris argument is plausible on the basis that only one party accepted the deal. I wouldn't agree that no one accepts it. As to your 'can't have it both ways' claim, that is also plausible. I'd like to hear her answer to that.

This is an impressive case of historical revisionism through the selective use of a legal concept that had a specific application in a very different set of examples. Can anyone tell me if this is the official Israeli stance? Because if it is, surely to consider that Palestine has no right to exist is just as reprehensible as the Hamas charter calling for the eradication of Israel.

@weaq84

8 ай бұрын

If uti posseditis juris makes the borders of Israel encompass all of the British Mandate of Palestine, then all of those Arabs living in what are considered to be occupied territories should surely be granted Israeli citizenship. Surely it is not acceptable to be denying rights to some of your citizens that others enjoy.

@MegaLotusEater

7 ай бұрын

She works for an organisation of pro-Israel lawyers. Her argument is politically partisan and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Hers is a fringe view. Whereas mainstream human rights NGOs are politically independent and *all* disagree with her.

@knowhere60

7 ай бұрын

Except in 1950, 1967, and many tines after and in between, Israel proposed, offered, and asked for a peaceable resolution, including the creation of a "palestinian Arab" state...

@weaq84

7 ай бұрын

@@knowhere60 You mean in 1967 when Israel started a war?

@Henrik46

7 ай бұрын

​@@weaq84Israel has never started a war. It has, however, performed pre-emptive strikes. That is simply war tactics, which helped the nascent state prevail against Islamo-fascism.

Hi, Natasha Hausdorff, please remind me: which part of the land exactly is/should be Palestinian?

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

7 ай бұрын

I can't answer for Natasha but the obvious answer is Jordan. Which is 75% of the original Land of Israel.

@ozricaurora

7 ай бұрын

Depends. They'd have their own state today if they'd agreed to it the dozens of times Israel offered it

@BIGBEN9999999

7 ай бұрын

@@user-vh1mn9ne1f Wow, because the Jewish people lived there untill 1400 years (according to Bibi himself) ago??? Would be a wonderfull world if all over the world people would reclaim 'their' lands wich they lost over 1000 years ago!!

@BIGBEN9999999

7 ай бұрын

@@ozricaurora Because the great powers of the time took 80% of Palestinian land and even the remaining 20% Israël would invade and colonise for decades. The UN General Assembly has condomned Israel for this over a 100 times. Stop looking for false excuses, just look at a current map of the Westbank and watch what's left for the Palestinian people. And every day they get killed, chased away and their homes burned so Jewish settlers could take their place. All of this secured and backed up by the Israelian army and legalised by the government of Israel.

@savaasja5224

7 ай бұрын

the part of land they came from, egypt and arabian peninsula.

So, if it's all Israel, why aren't all the people living in Israel Israeli civillians with full Israeli rights?

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

7 ай бұрын

Because some of them are citizens of the Palestinian autonomy. Do you think Israelis should have rights in the Palestinian autonomy? Even if you are stupid enough to say yes, the Palestinian president, who runs the Palestinian autonomy, has already declared that no Israeli will have any rights in the Palestinian autonomy. So please read and repeat. The Palestinian autonomy is where the Palestinian rights are manifested. The Palestinian lack of human rights in the Palestinian autonomy is a Palestinian issue, not an Israeli problem.

@danielburger1775

7 ай бұрын

@@user-vh1mn9ne1f There is no Palestinian autonomy. Israel has 100 per cent control over everything between Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea. Israel refuses to recognize Palestinian state. As such, everyone living between Jordan and Mediterranean is living in Israel. Yet, only some people (Jews) are citizens with basic human rights. While others are treated like sub-human animals, simply because they're not Jewish. If Israel wants to control all land, then everybody there is Israeli. If Israel doesn't want native Palestinians to be Israeli citizens, then they should leave.

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

7 ай бұрын

@@danielburger1775 Next time you can, take a look at the UN GA. There is a Palestinian autonomy representative there. Hamas had full affective control in Gaza. The PA control are A in Judea and Samaria. It must be obvious even to you, that if Israel had 100 per cent control over everything. We would not have had 239 hostages in Gaza for the last 45 days. This is why they say, that if a Palestinian supporter could not lie, he, or she, would have nothing to say.

@danielburger1775

7 ай бұрын

@@user-vh1mn9ne1f Hsmas never had full control. All electricity, fuel, water etc. has been turned off by Israel. And Israel has total control over the West Bank too. Israeli soldiers use Palestinians in Gaza Strip and West Bank for target practice. Israel totally controls all checkpoints. Hamas no more had control over Gaza than prison inmates have over the prison. Israel is a racist, military state. Just admit it.

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

7 ай бұрын

​@@danielburger1775 You are wrong. Hamas had full effective control. It had its own tax collectors, government, courts, executioners, police and Army of barbarian terrorists. International Law recognizes these as effective control. In addition, Israel only supplied Gaza with 10% of its water and 50% of its electricity. But even if it was supplying 100%, it only means that Hamas was importing these, like many other independent authorities elsewhere who import energy or other materials. As for "target practice" if you were to observe these incidents, you would see that rather than Israeli soldiers "using them as targets", it is the Palestinians who offer themselves. In other words, if Palestinians would not attack Israelis, they would not get shot. Of course, Israel controls the checkpoints. Apart from the intense security need to do so, it is Israel's right to control its border, like any other country in the world that wishes to do so. Then you use the prison canard. When you find another prison where the "inmates" are able to horde 10s of thousands of rockets, spend billions of dollars on terror facilities and boast 40,000 armed terrorists, come back and tell me about it. Until then, you are just a cheap liar.

So every nation in the world agrees the settlements are illegal except this lawyer ? You have to be kidding.

@sjruddell

8 ай бұрын

Every nation does not agree that settlements are illegal. She is not the only international legal scholar who says the same thing. Look at the work of Eugene Kontorovich, Alan Baker, Jacques Gautier to name a few. Frankly your unquestioning reliance on "every nation in the world" speaks more of your predelictions than anything else.

@ThePierre58

8 ай бұрын

No, I don't think she is kidding. Try watching again and this time, park your bias and pay attention to what actually says.

@TrollAxeThrower

8 ай бұрын

I bet you listen to the human rights council made of China, north korea and Venezuela. 🤦‍♂️

@coolhand1966

8 ай бұрын

I'm waiting for your response. All I hear is crickets.

@ibntulun9405

8 ай бұрын

@@sjruddell Kontorovich, Baker and Gautier are not nations. As I said in a reply elsewhere: the consensus of the international community (inc the US) is that the territories are occupied. Yes, there are going to be a handful of legal experts who are going to argue against that. To my knowledge, Israel itself has never put forward the UPJ argument that our Tash does here. As someone else has argued, it's all academic. As long as there's no international pressure on Israel to withdraw from the West Bank it's all irrelevant.

Free Palestine

So does that mean Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are Israeli? 0.o

@Mobile-ik8vr

7 ай бұрын

No, It means that they are palestians livining in Palestinian autonomy. (past tense for Gaza).

@BenAdam-om2hr

7 ай бұрын

@@Mobile-ik8vr They are Muslim Arabs from Arabia squatting in Judea.

@notaloneinrsa1345

7 ай бұрын

@@Mobile-ik8vr there isn't any Palestinian autonomy? Any Palestinian government in the WB would be beholden to Israel. You could also make that argument that Gaza isn't autonomous either because of the Israeli-Egyptian blockade.

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

7 ай бұрын

@@notaloneinrsa1345 You could say many things, but you would not be less wrong. The Palestinians are citizens of the Palestinian autonomy, they even have representation in the UN. They have a president, they have a prime minister, they have a government. They are heinous and corrupted but that is to be expected from any Palestinian-run institution.

but it is not a point to discuss. the Palestinian Territories are occupied by Israel. there are 193 countries in the world. 192 of them declaring the Palestinian Territories as occupied. can it really be clearer than that? when will you people come to understand that u living in your own bubble that's completely detached from reality?

@SladeL

8 ай бұрын

No, Israel is its own state, acknowledged allover the world. Stop lying.

@ibntulun9405

8 ай бұрын

@@SladeL @ednaal-najar3192 recognised the that Israel is its own state. The issue is the borders. In this video Hausdorff presents an interpretation of international law which says the West Bank is not occupied; she presents this interpretation as being definitive. It isn't. It's a fringe argument that almost no-one agrees with.

@SladeL

8 ай бұрын

Hamas does not recognize Israel as a state @@ibntulun9405

@michaelgreen5271

8 ай бұрын

@@ibntulun9405 it doesn't matter how many agree or disagree. Over 5 billion Muslims and Christians collectively agree that Judaism is a cancelled and void religion. Following your logic Jews should drop Judaism? Saying that the majority disagrees is not a valid argument. You have to bring another counter argument that is based on the existing international law.

@michaelg1279

8 ай бұрын

@@ibntulun9405 it doesn't matter how many agree or disagree. Over 5 billion Muslims and Christians collectively agree that Judaism is a cancelled and void religion. Following your logic Jews should drop Judaism? Saying that the majority disagrees is not a valid argument. You have to bring another counter argument that is based on the existing international law.

In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy - to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”20 Oct 2023

@object764

7 ай бұрын

“In recent months, Israel has quietly provided some relief as part of an unofficial, Egyptian-brokered truce with Hamas, in exchange for reduced rocket fire from the territory and the scaling back of weekly protests along the border. It has allowed Qatar to deliver millions of dollars in cash to allow Hamas to pay its civil servants and has allowed the United Nations to step up aid efforts.” Netanyahu allowed Qatar to bring cash to Hamas in exchange for an end to the violence. Israel, however, was not financing Hamas. It was letting Qatar move money in. As outrageous as that was, it was part of the same system that had Israel providing water and power to Gaza. And the entire agreement in which Israel regularly transfers money and provides services to the P.A., which is no better than Hamas. The Oslo Accords were essentially a deal in which Israel provided terrorists with territory and money in exchange for peace. That agreement, like all subsequent ones, failed. The actual source is supposedly the biography of Haim Ramon, who had not served in the government since 2009, and certainly not in the Likud. Ramon, a leftist politician, had been convicted of sexual harassment, partially ending his political career. He certainly had not been a Likud member and was not attending any such meetings, raising serious credibility issues regarding the quote.

@michellec1866

7 ай бұрын

Are you tired leave the stupid narrative in every channel?😂😂

@ozricaurora

7 ай бұрын

There's no evidence he even said that

It´s not very interesting if the correct legal word for the presence of Israel on the Westbank since 1967 is `occupation`. It´s much more interesting who the people were that lived there in 1967 and live there now, and how Israel is treating these inhabitants. And that does not make a nice picture for Israel, I´m afraid.

@AdelinaMuller

7 ай бұрын

You might want to add a point of interest to your questions as to what happened to the Jews who lived there until 1948. I heard that the Arabs ethnically cleanse them. I find it interesting that you are either unaware or don't care.

@marcelbuurman201

7 ай бұрын

@@AdelinaMuller Neither. I just made a point. You do not react to that.

@marcelbuurman201

7 ай бұрын

And by the way, if the Westbank is a part of Israel, then Israel should give all inhabitants citizenship and the right to vote.

@AdelinaMuller

7 ай бұрын

​@@marcelbuurman201 I am afraid that you are wrong here too. Almost all of the inhabitants have citizenship. They are either citizens of Israel or citizens of the Palestinian autonomy.‎

@marcelbuurman201

7 ай бұрын

@@AdelinaMuller That's not coherent. Of the Westbank is part of Israel, as Hausdorff states, they should be Israeli citizens.

She works for an organisation of pro-Israel lawyers. Her argument is politically partisan and should be taken with a large grain of salt. Hers is a fringe view. Whereas mainstream human rights NGOs are politically independent and *all* disagree with her.

@kelleygreengrass

7 ай бұрын

Just going to copy and paste what you think is an intelligent view?

@MegaLotusEater

7 ай бұрын

@@kelleygreengrass Like any reasonable person, I'm convinced by the overwhelming majority of legal opinion on this matter, which disagree with her. Hers is a fringe view. But you go ahead and copy and paste her fringe view.

@kelleygreengrass

7 ай бұрын

@@MegaLotusEater I didn't copy and paste anything but I saw this exact comment regurgitated on another thread because ppl like you grasp onto one thing you think is revolutionary and post it everywhere waiting for the "good boy" to come in like a dog.

@MegaLotusEater

7 ай бұрын

@@kelleygreengrass You spotted I copied/pasted the same comment once. Congrats. You get a medal.

@kelleygreengrass

7 ай бұрын

@@MegaLotusEater thanks I like shiny things

Natasha said a new state that comes into being inherits the administrative boundary of a state that preceeded it. What state preceeded Israels formation? Now she has tied herself up in knots. If she says Palestine, that means Palestine was a state. If not Palestine, what was the state and did Israel forcefully impose a new state on already established state. If yes, then its true that Israel has no legal right and have occupied a state.

@justsomeofmyfavs

Ай бұрын

Not a "state", but a legally recognized administrative entity, which she clearly states was the British Mandate.

WWII germany had many laws to legalise their doing...let that sink in to whatever you people use for a soul. also remember the amalek, they lived ther like the palestinians and got invaded like the palestinians and they got genocided... yep, like the palestinians...and thats in the tora so go bullshit about that.

@ipauls47

Ай бұрын

Apparently, the Palestinians aren't smart enough to know when they are being played by terrorists who don't have their best interests at heart. The moderate Arab World accepts Israel and wants to improve their peoples lives and the region as a whole. The Palestinians think they can go back to the 7th Century, by following the Iranian regime, Russia, Hamas, etc.

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

Ай бұрын

@whatsup9260 LMAO, your lack of knowledge of the bible can only be matched by your lack of knowledge of the present-day situation.

@whatsup9260

Ай бұрын

@@user-vh1mn9ne1f are you saying jews did not come from egypt trough the desert to a land promised by a god to a guy named moise and that the amalek also come at the same time than the jews and fought for the land that no one lived on...sounds like todays isreal of the situation

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

Ай бұрын

@@whatsup9260 No Shmock, They fought Amalek in the desert. Amalek was not indigenous to the Land of Israel. Funny enough, neither are the Arabs who now days days call themselves Palestinians. They are immigrants from neighboring Arab countries.

@whatsup9260

Ай бұрын

@@user-vh1mn9ne1f feels like there is never anyone in ''palestine'' as per the present israel constitution, no non-jews live in palestine therefor the land is for grabs wonder who you guys did the nakba on theres never anyone there other than animals as per jewish folks, strange in a world of 8 billions plus souls or are all non jews non human or something like that.

Lol whereas international law says Israel is a occupier asit came into a land which offensively attacked palestinians and took their land. Dalet Plan Manual look it up! Palestinians is the only ones in this scenerio yo have inalienable right to defend their land from occupation!

@ozricaurora

7 ай бұрын

They occupied Jordanian and Egyptian land after a war of self defense. Not Palestinian. There was no "Palestinian land" until 1993 and even then, no formal two state solution has been officially agreed on. So the west bank stands as disputed land, not fully Palestinian because Palestine is still not a state.

@abdulhalim9800

7 ай бұрын

@@ozricaurora Listen educate yourself. It does not have to be a state according Zionist. Historically Israel was never a state it was always tribes. There is very little evidence any of the Tribes were unified! Philistines were existing at the same time as the Tribe of Israel. There is a evidence Palestinians polity governance according to history! The land was Canaan before the Israelites came. The Pelset/Philistines/Palastinians is as ancient as the Tribe of Israel if not even more ancient

@ozricaurora

7 ай бұрын

@@abdulhalim9800 Israel was literally a kingdom founded in 1047 bc. 1947 was Israel simply being reborn after 3000 years of Roman and Arab colonisation

@abdulhalim9800

7 ай бұрын

@@ozricaurora Lol reborn born to what? A land they are forbidden to go to according to their torah? Because of the bad nature of the j#ws they were forbidden to enter the holy land.

@user-vh1mn9ne1f

7 ай бұрын

@@abdulhalim9800 If a Palestinian could not lie, he would have nothing to say.

Ok, let's ignore UN (both security council and general assembly) resolutions, International Criminal Court and Israel supreme Court opinions, but if it's not an occupation and it's Israeli territory, what about 5 mln Palestinians in those territories? Are you going to give them Israeli citizenship then? Or does it mean it's apartheid regime?

WHAT IT IS NOT OCCUPATION BECAUSE BLABLABLABLA....IT IS OCCUPATION. BECAUSE THEY WERE PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES IN THE DIVIDIÓN MADE TO DO TWO STATES.

@kavemanjosh

5 ай бұрын

You would be correct if the Palestinians declared sovereignty in 1948, but they didn’t. Israel was the only state to emerge from the British Mandate and therefor under ICC international law, Israel inherited the boarders of the previous sovereign state from Britain, which includes Gaza and the West Bank. Under ICC the term Occupation only applies when one country occupies another countries territory. Underlining word here is country, which Palestine is not. So according to ICC, you can’t occupy your own land, which is exactly what Israel is doing.

@Human-rights4all

5 ай бұрын

​@@kavemanjosh you win wars you get to write history books basically the west won ww2 and they invaded commited genocide 1947 thrn claimed this land as israel

@user-ws6cp3np7t

5 ай бұрын

​@@Human-rights4allThe West invaded "Palestine"? Do you actually know the history, or do you make it up as it suits you? What about human rights for the Jews? Ahh, I see. They don't have any. The universal declaration of human rights was written as a result of the Holocaust of the Jews. And yet since then, it has been weaponized exclusively against the Jews. Get lost.

We distract from state sponsored genocide.

So lets help Natasha out. She says 'Israel recovered territory from Jordanian Occupation'. That assumes it was initially Israels. When was the West Bank Israels? Secondly, she stated it was under Jordanian occupation. Thats inccorrect. Jordan illegally annexed the territory. An annexation and occupation are not the same terms. She is an international lawyer and should know better.

Thank you for defining imperialism underwritten by a military jackboot, be it across the America's, Africa,Asia and innthe Middle east

all these folks need to be prosecuted for war crimes against Palestinians. stay on your lands. the way she is dressed states she has NO lineage to Palestinian lands.

@Bermudas2023

8 ай бұрын

Really? The best you can do to counter her legal arguments based on extensive study of international law is to criticize her outfit??

@skrmacs4815

7 ай бұрын

@@Bermudas2023 hello dear. Its NOT a criticism of outfit, its her outrageous claims. once again she has NO lineage to Palestine. Is it the international law which stole and displace millions of Palestinians from their lands? all the euro and western jews who have stolen these lands needs to return to THEIR lands. Only indigenous jews have rights to Palestine. the indigenous e peoples of Palestine does NOT wear clothing akin to hers.

@c.a.t.732

7 ай бұрын

@@skrmacs4815 Clearly you prefer your women covered head to toe and acting like chattel. That's really your problem.

@cuppyfluf

7 ай бұрын

@@skrmacs4815 she is a lawyer from the UK. WHAT in the world are you talking about? You don't need to be israeli or palestinian to state your professional lawyer opinion on the conflict.

@BriGlas198

7 ай бұрын

Am Yisrael Chai

Yeah and pigs can fly also.

No illegal occupation? WhAT?

@BenAdam-om2hr

7 ай бұрын

Yes. Exactly. Not by the Zionists, at least. If there's any illegal occupation it is by the other party, who shall remain nameless, as they are nameless wandering Arabs from Arabia.

Hold on now Natasha. U have moved from the word 'pre-existing state' to 'entity'. Was the entity a state or not?

Lots of waffle. No arguments, no facts

@Mobile-ik8vr

3 ай бұрын

Ask a grownup to explain it to you.

sick

What racist cows!!

Bizarre argument.

@MasterMote

6 ай бұрын

how so?

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

@trevorjc251166

6 ай бұрын

Palestine is free, it's just called Israel now.

@anthonymorris5084

6 ай бұрын

@@trevorjc251166 Yup, and happens to be the only free country in the entire Middle East.

@anthonymorris5084

6 ай бұрын

Free Gaza from Hamas.

Who controls territorial waters of Gaza? Who controls airspace of Gaza? Who restricts the transportation into Gaza by land, air and sea? You don't need a soldier in every street to call an occupation an occupation.

@user-ro5su9wc4o

6 ай бұрын

Who controls the missile launchers? Who controls the courts? Who controls the Police? Who controls the executioners? Who controls the tunnels? Who controls the hospitals? Who controls the fuel? Who controls the schools? Who controls the tax collections? Who controls the army of terrorists? Who controls the hostages? Who controls who comes and who leaves Gaza? Hamas controls all of these. (not for long though). Hamas has effective control. Or had.

@ummeammatullah6521

Ай бұрын

Exaclty

@ummeammatullah6521

Ай бұрын

Well said

@imonlydancingsal1509

Ай бұрын

Israel left Gaza in 2005. Why did Hamas not make a better State and lives for the Gazan's with the billions and billions $$ of international 'refugee' aid ? Your anger should be at the Palestinian leadership for corruption, failing their own people. That place could have been beautiful, and with that coastline a tourist destination. But no - rockets, tunnels, war, murder, terrorism. Your life is the manifestation of the choices you make. Almost 20 years to build prosperity. Instead they want to destroy their neighbour's garden. Envy, hate and Islamist ideology is bad for everyone's health my friend.

Interesting