*subscribe or no pay*

@stefanandrejevic2570

3 жыл бұрын

Amogus

@tameem7254

3 жыл бұрын

Heart me because... Yes

@GMJ7320

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefanandrejevic2570 shut up

@want-diversecontent3887

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefanandrejevic2570 A mangoes

@stefanandrejevic2570

3 жыл бұрын

@@GMJ7320 no u

I bet they didn't even download core using the link in the description

@LemmeB

3 жыл бұрын

Hallo mayro lmao how are you here

@pro_pup

3 жыл бұрын

we got number 2 checked marked boi

@omithevaporeon9720

3 жыл бұрын

Qwag

@morpheus6716

3 жыл бұрын

At least quag did it right?

@deveagle3608

3 жыл бұрын

lol

wait... Y’all are getting paid???

@R0TEK

3 жыл бұрын

Always have been.

@user-di7ls4sy2b

3 жыл бұрын

🔫

@Mmsofficialyt

3 жыл бұрын

@@R0TEK I rate the meme format 😉

@Ihavetoreturnsomevideotapes

3 жыл бұрын

Wait you gay paidhow much for doing internship at Faang company ?

@Sovietube

3 жыл бұрын

Amogus

It reminds me when I was paid about $7 a video when I was editing for this horribly clickbait roblox youtuber, who did fake robux scams and giveaways, stretched out the content too much, etc. It took me about 8-10 hours a video. At the time I didn't have a channel, and since he had 100,000 subscribers, I only did it because it felt like an "honor", and I was 14 didn't need to make a living or anything. It was okay, but it was definitely hard.

@ender3676

2 жыл бұрын

Yoo hi horizon

@thatonekid4717

2 жыл бұрын

So doesnt that mean u also play roblox ?

@frnnzy_

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatonekid4717 well of course not, but he might. He’s mainly a Minecraft content creator so I have no clue. But man, that would suck lol

@aiirlinefood2263

2 жыл бұрын

Yoma

@_illuminare

2 жыл бұрын

dam

The hardest thing I did in my career was just recently. I quoted $30/hr for my work. It isn’t astronomical but it was uncomfortable not to say “whatever you think is fair!” They didn’t even flinch. No negotiation, agreed and we moved forward. Thanks for sharing! I think many of us can relate.

@muhammadtaha1313

3 жыл бұрын

thats great for u dude.

@williehrmann

3 жыл бұрын

As a programmer in the west working on commission you can easily ask 60$-100$ per hour depending on complexity and your skillset. 30$ is a steal.

@muhammadtaha1313

3 жыл бұрын

@@williehrmann no way fr?

@BlakeGillman

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on what field of software engineering you work in. $30/hr is a steal for most of them though (Unless you're a jr. game dev, since game devs get paid less & juniors less than that).

@covalschieugen8682

2 жыл бұрын

@@williehrmann well if you're an outsourcer working let's say in Eastern Europe or India, 30$/hr is like earning 100$/hr in the west. This is why many companies go for cheaper labor outside of US or Western Europe.

As someone who has written multiple programming tutorials over a couple of months, at $3/hour, I know your pain. Hell, I wasn't even allowed to publish the tutorials in my own name, it sucks so much.

@ArchFly

3 жыл бұрын

3 DOLLARS AN HOUR? Darn, i feel bad.

@jeanjacquesstrydom

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArchFly Yeah, my contract with the guy finally ended when he started getting impatient with my return time on projects.

@gdjosef

3 жыл бұрын

OOOOH, THAT HURTS. and not even being credited is a giant red flag, taking all credit for an entire operation, you'd think that they at least credit devs individually, but they're flat, left out.

@solace512

3 жыл бұрын

yeah that was me with video editing I was getting paid 2 per video

@inkbean4826

3 жыл бұрын

Why? Couldn’t you just do something minimum wage that would be better?

i can pay you in exposure trust me

@katzen9268

3 жыл бұрын

Hehe I saw you in the discord

@BananaWasTaken

3 жыл бұрын

Hehe I saw you in Mario

@katzen9268

3 жыл бұрын

@@BananaWasTaken omg pls no

@shalinipriyadarshini2715

3 жыл бұрын

I saw you in discord noice .

@thefastmeow

3 жыл бұрын

"Ok Google, what is the exchange rate for exposure to USD?" "0"

That bot sounded dope af why did they not like it lmao

@timedeos4320

3 жыл бұрын

Cuz they like to promote slave labor and unpaid labor

@codingidiot6754

3 жыл бұрын

@@timedeos4320 that's not an anwser

@FullKnight51

3 жыл бұрын

hi glazing

@silentlm3861

3 жыл бұрын

@@codingidiot6754 hi codingidiot, or shall I say detailedteacheridiot

@codingidiot6754

3 жыл бұрын

@@silentlm3861 no

The channel is "(Offical) Space". (The name is actually backwards, but he has the name filtered out in the comment section, so that's the only way it can be written without my comment being automatically deleted.)

@___-hp7zm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@defnotisaiah3210

2 жыл бұрын

lmao i was thinking you meant laciffo space

@spykillergames8402

2 жыл бұрын

he really doesnt want someone who he hated to get flak..man is to civil..id of named the channel front and centre

@Krzztl

2 жыл бұрын

is it the dude with the monkey pfp?

@Krzztl

2 жыл бұрын

@@defnotisaiah3210 only ten videos? what’s up with this guy?

Bro how is this even legal lol

@luffyssandal8357

3 жыл бұрын

Idk honestly

@rjmaxx888

3 жыл бұрын

Well I’m surprised to see you here

@wattagentleman3730

3 жыл бұрын

It isnt

@sammerrill8392

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not😂😂

@Hyperboid

3 жыл бұрын

there is no how, just is

You should absolutely name the person who roped you in. While it may seem less professional, it would help other people stay away :/

@NovaAge

3 жыл бұрын

*Bring forth the Reddit army*

@Mewtwo2er

3 жыл бұрын

I know inwant to know what million subbed youtuber i want to stay away from now after pulling something like this on a smaller creator

@mrduck7957

3 жыл бұрын

@@NovaAge right behind you commander!

@nubo3517

3 жыл бұрын

the only problem is I'd expect a lot of people to just throw hate and nothing else

@Stennishh

3 жыл бұрын

@@NovaAge the reddit army will need backup, we need the 4chan mafia on this case.

The name o the youtuber is official space

@Pyrodiac

2 жыл бұрын

How did this guy get under the radar?

@randomstuffyt8453

2 жыл бұрын

Hell ye

Man... I can relate. Personally had the same experience with video editing. Big channel (literally 4m subs) approaching 'young me' who is just baffled to be approached by such a big youtuber to work for them. So enthusiastic that I did not really consider what they actually paid me because I thought it was 'normal' and I was just happy enough to finally be recognized.

a lot of younger/new programmers don't fully understand their worth, as i experienced this first hand when programming on commission, a 3 week project for only 40$. hopefully people can realize the amount of work done is worth more from this vid

@marshpenny

3 жыл бұрын

@@catalintoader9818 nope you must be confused with someone else

@epicgames8424

3 жыл бұрын

space offical

@dsi-films1264

3 жыл бұрын

Mhm, this is very true

@0_-

3 жыл бұрын

how much do you think it was supposed to be?

@0_-

3 жыл бұрын

@@marshpenny what's a framework? sory am a noob programmer

Great video! I really like the editing style, and the "story" (idk what else to call it) was very easy to follow! Keep it up!

Y'know, good on you for getting out of that though. It's really difficult to turn down something when you're not that experienced and it's really impressive that you did. I hope those people have learned something from this.

When i heard Cicada 3301 i knew this was gonna be good

@pixelneeryt

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't hear cicada 3301 where

@KeneqYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@pixelneeryt at the start the music is cicada 3301

@dotnet9830

3 жыл бұрын

@@KeneqYT no it's just a fan made song

@sash4142

3 жыл бұрын

You mean cipher?

@KeneqYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@dotnet9830 yeah it's made by lemmino

Lemmino Music!

@prcvl

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

@cactusdying

3 жыл бұрын

@@prcvl what do you mean "Why?"?

@zyansheep

3 жыл бұрын

It's da beat!

@IzxmYT

3 жыл бұрын

yesss

@cipher32k

3 жыл бұрын

Niggas be like, "he stole it from dream"

I saw just 1 video of yours and i already subscribed. Great job man! Love the quality of your video!

I like how you add links to more videos in the description, gives me more cool stuff to watch

"You guys are getting paid?"

@PlanetComputer

3 жыл бұрын

sdfg

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you always work on an hourly pay- no matter the project. Thanks for the video Poly, hopefully it helps any new freelancers or developers!

@PolyMars

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Crimson! Well said :)

@The_Real_Max.

3 жыл бұрын

@@PolyMars hello

@Cfomodz

2 жыл бұрын

@Hamza Siddiqui Every... Job... When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on KZread, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.

@noahboddie3482

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cfomodz what about jobs that dont take hours or resolve quickly but take great effort and know how? What about consultations that may only take 1 hour or could take 3? What about commissions for art where it can either be quick or grueling? Not every job man, it depends on what gives due respect to the service.

@Cfomodz

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahboddie3482 When you're ready to not, you won't be taking advice from people on KZread, and you'll know your worth and how to quote a job so that you are charging what you are worth and turning down clients who can't handle the pricetag. Until then... Yes... Every. Job.

man u and godigis are the most motivasional and loving game dev youtubers i have ever seen good job

Hey, this is really inspiring as a CS student who's looking into game development, just wanted to say I loved the video :)

The pain any programmer feels. Also this guy is severely underrated

"I barely have 1,000 subscribers" well buddy, looks like you have 60,000 more.

@Ro_Gaming

3 жыл бұрын

200 thousond subscribers are ready, with a million well on their way.

@shelby255

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ro_Gaming yes

@devsquares

2 жыл бұрын

more like 90k more!

@_bop5209

2 жыл бұрын

He said he had 1k *"at the time"*

@Lun4rS0ulz_

2 жыл бұрын

@@_bop5209 It's a joke. Don't bother explaining it.

I've had a bad experience like this too. The managers of the projects were very unprofessional and didn't know what they wanted so they kept telling me to add, remove, or modify features that could have easily been implemented had they specified the first time. I ended up recoding a lot of the project and with all these modifications I did end up working under minimum wage. That was the last time I did a commission-based dev job.

that core thing sounds like a great way to re-live your experience of not getting paid for work.

@BubbleBFDI

2 жыл бұрын

XD moment

@scripied

Жыл бұрын

roblox moment

Great advice. Set your rate up front and for fixed contact, were precisely what's included and don't bend without more money. It's not greedy, it's business.

@unanimous4367

3 жыл бұрын

this 👆

You absolutely nail so much more, you honesty are extremely talented and have amazing projects, keep going!

man the sounddesign in your video is amazing

so happy you learned a lesson and even happier you were clever enough to salvage the loss.

man is literally a polygonal planet and sold himself out like this how could you you’re better than this

@sweetcorm

3 жыл бұрын

A man is a planet. A polygonal planet.

@rkon7629

3 жыл бұрын

@@sweetcorm yep

@rkon7629

3 жыл бұрын

@@sweetcorm makes sense

The concept of Crowdsorcerer is absolutely genius! _I mean this is just like "Predictions" on Twitch_ but still really cool.

The blanked out channel is called Space Offical.

@kinkyjew943

2 жыл бұрын

Link?

every video that has cipher - lemmino automatically goes up in value

When I heard the lemmino music I knew this would be good, you are very underrated!!

Man, I love your editing!

"but I figured it was just an implied expectation" You are so sweet

As someone who has been through a similar situation with being heavily underpaid, this video is awesome and made me feel so much better. Thank you so much for this!

@pandaa3876

Жыл бұрын

which youtuber

I'm glad you shared your story. It reminds me of when youtubers first took sponsorships and they were paid tuppence. Honestly it depends on the person but I find these types of deals incredibly shadey but you often think OMG I'm being paid to do what I love. In reality you need to work out how much you should be paid for the services. I hope the next deal you get is better.

I feel like it is important to name names in this case, mainly due to the fact that whatever they were doing was LITERALLY ILLEGAL, people need to know to stay away from these people.

@okiyume267

3 жыл бұрын

@otherlego There name is Space oficial

@otherlego

3 жыл бұрын

@@okiyume267 really?

@otherlego

3 жыл бұрын

@@okiyume267 i doubt it, i need a link

@vunesV1

3 жыл бұрын

@@otherlego it is I just checked

@sm173r6

3 жыл бұрын

@@otherlego it might be this dude because the sub count is the same. kzread.info

Thank you for the tip, I was gonna start working for software engineering, and I think this was very much needed information.

I am watching your videos from 2 months but now I finally subscribed, this video was short but awesome

You should make more video's! Found out about you yesterday and almost watched all of your videos. No other youtube had made me do this before. First time ever i turned on the notifications for a youtube channel!! Keep up this great work and soon enough u will be able to hit that 100k mark :)

@bhanusri3732

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah me too watched all his videos am big fan of polymars channel

This is a cool concept though! Would be interesting if you released it on your own.

@keita744

2 жыл бұрын

I want to like but... Otherwise it'll hit 70 like ls

@mariopokemon955

Жыл бұрын

@@keita744 it's at 125 now, you're safe

Timestamps to skip sponsorships in the description, now thats next level :D

"School" "In the middle of July" No worries, bro. I'm doing my college classes year round to make up for only doing them part time. Took a two year course part time and only made it three years total instead of four to five. Any excuse can be valid if you play your cards right.

Gone for 3 months, but the content has never been better 🤑 Welcome back, brother 😍

I know exactly what you feel. When I first got into video editing, (like first first, I sucked) I tried to start working for free. I later changed it after I got no commissions on twitter and other sites. The funny thing was once I upped my prices to around $20 per video, that’s when I started to get comms lol. But I got contacted by a fairly big KZread, far larger then me, and he asked for a video. He was fine with the payment, but when he started asking for far more revisions then I typically allowed (which I only did because I felt “honored” that he would choose me to edit his videos) I was working for less then a dollar an hour on that video in total. Don’t sell yourself short

@thelonercoder5816

3 жыл бұрын

I think, in that case, you should've asked for some sort of shoutout.

@verylongnamefornoreasonwha3987

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelonercoder5816 exposure doesn't pay the bills

5:00 you made the right decision. Considering that you didnt say anything when they asked for more UX the first time, they saw you as easy labour, you were just going to get extorted more if you stayed.

Your an inspiration t9 young devs. This story will hopefully save us all trouble

W H O IS THE Y O U T U B E R THO?

@romtastick1657

3 жыл бұрын

cringe

@ytraspy4130

3 жыл бұрын

@@romtastick1657 who

@x7teee

3 жыл бұрын

@@ytraspy4130 how tf do u have 300 subs and no vids? Did u delete them all?

@ytraspy4130

3 жыл бұрын

@@x7teee ye

@Aydwn

3 жыл бұрын

"(official) Space" but that's backwards because his name is banned from comment section

wowwww 😤 Glad you got yourself out of that before it got even messier. The bot sounds like a really cool idea though!

wow, i didnt know anything like core existed, im gonna check it out, looks pretty interesting. thanks for putting it in ur video.

wow, congratulations! your discord bot game idea is literally metaculous

Poly mars! That was very interesting, the *development* of the story was great!

FYI for all the non-developers here. Freelance software developer gigs pay typically somewhere in the region of 50-90€ / hour in central Europe. Depending on the specialisation. Rates in other regions vary of course.

I know im a year late but. Never give up on what is the most important and just remember we are always here to support you.

I'm happy core sponsored you now I can find a link to play and support my favorite youtuber~

i don't think you will see this but thank you for putting lemmino - cipher at the beginning of the video it's such a good song ♥

These people smart, whos channel lines up with this, witch hunt time

@santyrios514

3 жыл бұрын

"SṖĄḈƐ (Ỗբբįcỉấḷ)" Name's censored so...

@dasher9974

3 жыл бұрын

You better believe it!

As a starting game dev I constantly feel like I'm not really all that worth it yet and that what I can do really isn't all that special. Your channel legit inspires me and reminds me that what I can do is still so much more then what those without experience can do and my time is worth it. Thank you so much for your content

@PolyMars

3 жыл бұрын

that's awesome to hear, keep it up!!

@lightmaxifrvr2667

3 жыл бұрын

me too

@jbdbibbaerman8071

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, I'm glad that motivates you, but I absolutely hate this kind of thinking. Ive tried telling myself this before, but it is a load of shit. Of course you're better than people with no experience. That's not an accomplishment. It doesn't matter. Especially if you're trying to get paid for your skill (I'm not, thank goodness). Then you should be compared to others in the field, and then you start to look terrible (I am, in my case). That's probably closer to reality for me. So really to use what you said would just be deceiving myself.

@hellopikachu9

2 жыл бұрын

@@jbdbibbaerman8071 While you aren't wrong. It's important to understand the effects impostor syndrome have on the mind. Many people don't believe they are truly skilled and that any idiot with ten minutes can replicate their ability. Being able to compare yourself to others without the ability helps to set the ground that yes, you are more unique in that talent. From there you work and improve. Obviously you will compare yourself to others in the industry of you wish to be paid, but for many the first step is realizing you have the talent in the first place and going from there.

@bolt227

Жыл бұрын

So where are you at now

Great lesson.. I’m glad you learned your worth.. you have a whole KZread channel that proves how good/passionate you are.. thx for sharing..

3:32 "we will work together" sounds for me like communism

@yeet9812

3 жыл бұрын

"Our" commission.

@sensis6881

3 жыл бұрын

i’m not that guy but u def don’t know what communism is

@fakergamer1385

3 жыл бұрын

@@sensis6881 Well communism is a political system where the goods are shared and no one has private property. Ans yes of course it has not to do much with communism to do. But the general idea of it is that everybody is the same and help eachother. But its just a joke and my intention wasnt to make it 100% historical accurate so sorry. So chill out and just laught at OUR joke. ;)

@KB2020_

3 жыл бұрын

Commission??? NOOO!!! Communism!

@sensis6881

3 жыл бұрын

@@fakergamer1385 lol i see what u did there i gotta laugh at that

0:00 Lemmino’s music, this is going to be good

Damn, you bussin with the lemmino song

I honestly would love to see this bot on your discord server or at least able to download, it actually sounds cool af lol

instant cicada 3301 from lemmino vibes from the intro

Btw the channel is sp++ace o+++fficial (Remove the + signs because he deletes comments with the actual channel name)

@user-bz4ut9yh4u

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@kwak0

3 жыл бұрын

big brain

@Pyrodiac

2 жыл бұрын

Ok.

That intro music set me into puzzle solving mode.

I love how this music is used for all kinds of "drama" videos now

@drenz1523

3 жыл бұрын

Why quotation marks

@misaalanshori

3 жыл бұрын

@@drenz1523 idk, i guess its because i think i was using the word drama with a wider definition. So its not like the usual drama i see. Its probably not the correct use of quotation marks, but whatever

@drenz1523

3 жыл бұрын

@@misaalanshori k

@misaalanshori

3 жыл бұрын

@@drenz1523 ok

That bot actually sounds really cool and I'd love to have it on a server

MAN! this video have great edit .... nice keep up

I love this guy's Channel I remember finding him a long time ago when he was at 1 k

Is this how it's like to work with Yandere Dev?

@typodoeseverything

3 жыл бұрын

I think you just knocked YD off of the internet once and for all.

@typodoeseverything

3 жыл бұрын

@Rayaan Syed eh it was a dumb joke, don't really know how to explain it

@pessoaa8860

3 жыл бұрын

Yandere dev is a bad person Change my mind

@robun3310

2 жыл бұрын

@@pessoaa8860 he is? how

@pessoaa8860

2 жыл бұрын

@@robun3310 I heard years ago he was involved with younger people yk.. plus he is lazy and doesnt update the game, he just wants money

If the seller doesn't want the bot, release it through Patreon or something. Would be a cool addition to my Discord server!

Super interesting video!

Thanks for showing dark side of business as a new game dev I will keep it in mind.. and yeah u got a subscriber 😀👍🏻

This reminds me of most bukkit server owners "hiring" devs "We'll pay you for your work; like $5 for small plugins and $10 for big plugins"

"I was scammed by people who wanted a collaborative project with no upfront pay for my labour, but anyway today's sponsor is a company that manipulates people into developing games without an upfront policy about how projects will be monetized"

@wandereringshadow8658

2 жыл бұрын

Cite your sources.

love your vid man, you inverted the amount for roblox you put 75.5% for roblox and 24.5 % for creators but it's the other way round. i make games on roblox and i've checked that on game passes you get 70% of the credits

@MrCat-hx4sk

3 жыл бұрын

and i tried to install core but it's only supported for windows

As someone who has done programming work for a youtuber in the past, I'm glad I wasn't screwed over. In my case, I had to work on a fairly complex website. Because of this, it took a good deal of work to make the website. I didn't try to work out the payment details up front (In the future I shouldn't do this, for obvious reasons, but I knew the guy before he even became a youtuber so I could trust him) After it was done, I didn't give him the website source until I was done with it (more as collateral in case somehow things went wrong) We ended up negotiating and eventually it wound up to somewhere around $20 an hour for the whole project, which for a novice like me seems to be a fair rate.

I relate totally but from an artist standpoint. So many people want things but want them for free or near enough.

I've been waiting for so long.

I have a very similar thing to this. There was this one guy looking to make an android app, and he consistently wanted to add more and more features. Our base-line agreement was $20 for a simple App that people can watch ads for rewards on, then he wanted more features (how you mentioned with the commands and what not), and it just got hassley from there.

This is insane from all angles

Name is s P aC e Of F i C al

The fact that you put lemminos music intro as your own intro, makes me nervous.

@nerfgunpng7552

3 жыл бұрын

That's actually just the music for *one* of lemmino's videos.

@thatelguy1530

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerfgunpng7552 isn’t it also in the D.B Cooper one?

As a Java developer, much respect man! You deserve to be paid way better! Keep up the awesome work man, I hope you do eventually find an employer or someone who commissions you what you are worth!

ALMOST TO 100K!

Omg phew, I thought this was going to be a deeper rabbit hole with them leading you on for far longer with pay that sounded good upfront but then was just the same

1:45 what game making software is that? that's literally lua programming language i am very curious edit: i just figured out 5 seconds after i ignore youtube sponsor advertising 99.9% of the time

@nikkiofthevalley

3 жыл бұрын

Me who only knows Lua: Welp, time to check this out then!

Can't express how much I feel you bruh, "exposure", I don't want clout over a bot I want MONEYYYYY

0:30 lmao that typing style is exactly like me whenever i write a complicated line i start off fast, then slow down, then at the end i double check everything before finishing the line

Ah yes, my favorite food, exposure

@waitthisisntfortnite

3 жыл бұрын

The highlighted comment man, I am

It comes to show that even giant corporations or giant channels are still willing to screw over the little guys. It also in someway makes me happy I am not the only one who runs into these rubbish people and it's just our industry as a whole trying to be taken advantage off.

love the lemmino music :)

ah, you're a man of culture, nice music choice.

4:30 There is no such thing as an implied expectation. If it's not EXPLICITLY on the project, it is not what the contractor pays for. Anything extra, goes extra.