My Thoughts On Gas VS Electric Paramotors

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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:22 Giveaway
1:04 Summary
1:30 Cost
3:43 Thrust
4:36 Weight
5:46 Flight Time
6:55 Charge Time
7:36 Electric Pros
11:09 Electric Cons
12:35 Conclusions

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  • @TuckerGott
    @TuckerGott2 ай бұрын

    It is the last week to enter the SP140 electric paramotor giveaway! Check out the webstore, every $5 spent until May 4th gets you one entry to win. - tuckergott.com/collections/new-arrivals

  • @dionbritten5777

    @dionbritten5777

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm in it to win it, dude 🙏🏻 hopefully one day I'll get to fly and eventually fly with you 🙏🏻🤙🏻 best of luck to everyone 🙌🏻 you all are amazing 👏

  • @Mr.Steepz

    @Mr.Steepz

    2 ай бұрын

    Love the merch, love the quality content. It doesn't get any better than this! thank you!

  • @dionbritten5777

    @dionbritten5777

    2 ай бұрын

    @Mr.Steepz I 💯 agree with you bro you never know you could be the one that wins good luck 🙏🏻🤙🏻

  • @Jasesaviation949

    @Jasesaviation949

    2 ай бұрын

    You should react to Anthony Vella’s crash 😢

  • @captkurk357

    @captkurk357

    2 ай бұрын

    Does it offer any form of regen? If you fly high as you said and go windmilling silent they should implement some sort of regen could be life saving. Thoughts?would it be worth it could it recover enough to be worth the technology.

  • @kwaaaa
    @kwaaaa2 ай бұрын

    A lot of hobbies suffer from traditionalist mindset, that is, they will have a negative bias towards new gear because it's too different. It's great how really fair Tucker's comparison between the two is. I know we all suffer from our biases, but this is really an unbias and well thought out review of a new product.

  • @hightension01
    @hightension012 ай бұрын

    I never thought I'd live in a world where Tucker Gott regularly flies behind my house.

  • @platypii
    @platypii2 ай бұрын

    Great review! I really liked your point that it potentially appeals to a DIFFERENT audience than gas paramotors, and that can bring more people into the sport that otherwise might not have gotten into it. In fact I am one such person who bought an SP140 as my first paramotor. Love it!

  • @huepix

    @huepix

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes. I'm not that interested in a gas one, but this is clean, efficient etc. Bit heavy and that flight time limit, but to get in the air, it's electric for me

  • @seashackf1

    @seashackf1

    2 ай бұрын

    @@huepixit’s not really more efficient though. Heavier, costs nearly the same, but only has a fraction of the range. Recharging takes 4 hrs and isn’t possible on site. So max you can do in a trip is around 30 min. Whereas you can go all day with gas.

  • @simonhales631

    @simonhales631

    2 ай бұрын

    Obviously Gas has more flexibility but electric is good for a big chunk of people. There are many people that go for a quick flight for a half hour at night and no maintenance or mess makes it easy for them. Tucker hit all the key points, but the bottomline like electric cars is if it works for you and you like it buy one. If it does not fit your needs or you don't like it, buy gas. There is not better or worse, just what fits the pilot.

  • @Markolise442
    @Markolise4422 ай бұрын

    @TuickerGott We have electric cars that have been running for hundreds of thousands of miles, battery degradation flattens out at around 80% in lithium ion chemistries. So the 1000 cycles to me seems like a low estimate for battery life.

  • @kens97sto171

    @kens97sto171

    2 ай бұрын

    Especially since I think it is LFP chemistry.. has about double the charge cycle life of NMC chemistry.

  • @OtisFlint

    @OtisFlint

    2 ай бұрын

    @@kens97sto171 LFP is great for longevity, safety, and cost, but poor for density and performance. I'd rather have the same size battery in an NMC and get more flight time.

  • @kens97sto171

    @kens97sto171

    2 ай бұрын

    @@OtisFlint Other way around for me. But I drive on average over 50,000 miles per year.. So longevity would be my primary concern. LFP in the Model 3 is actually a fantastic car, it has a fantastic charging curve even though the peak isn't that high. And you can charge to 100% everyday. Be interesting to do a long-distance road race cross country between a Model 3 LFP rear wheel drive. And a long range model 3. Wouldn't be exactly equal because of the extra motor in the long range. I suspect there would be very little difference between the two arrival times. For daily use charging at home, you actually aren't getting any more miles. The NMC charged to 80% is actually less miles than the LFP charge to 100%. The only real advantage would be on road trips possibly but I don't know for sure, I've never seen anybody do that test before.

  • @rtfazeberdee3519

    @rtfazeberdee3519

    2 ай бұрын

    EVs have liquid thermal management and good battery management systems that helps them

  • @comedicsketches

    @comedicsketches

    2 ай бұрын

    There are a number of different chemistries, and they definitely go beyond 80% other things equal, many relatively quickly. The nuance here is that ev packs tend to not use the entire capacity which does slow degradation but more importantly hides it, since you were only using part of the capacity in the first place. There's no beating physics. I build packs in several chemistries, pack and canned, from LiCo on one hand to LiFe on the other since 2015 btw.

  • @AnthonyVella
    @AnthonyVella2 ай бұрын

    I’m in the market for a new paramotor. I seem to have destroyed mine. Great comparison.

  • @RominaSosaSchnoerr

    @RominaSosaSchnoerr

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't make me laugh, my ribs hurt! Speedy recovery! 💪🏻

  • @AnthonyVella

    @AnthonyVella

    2 ай бұрын

    @@RominaSosaSchnoerr gotta stay positive brother. A little laugh goes a long ways.

  • @alanpenn5493

    @alanpenn5493

    2 ай бұрын

    Hope you have a speedy recovery dude!!

  • @maciekm1

    @maciekm1

    2 ай бұрын

    Is your slightly used FlyProducts Rider still available for sale? But for real you're such a inspiration for staying positive in such a hard time. Get well soon Anthony, cant wait for your recovery videos.

  • @von...

    @von...

    2 ай бұрын

    hey man, have not watched the video bc I'm choosing to heed your warning of it being a tough watch -- but I really hope you are in good spirits & chilling throughout your (hopefully relatively speedy) recovery ❤

  • @mgrosser2197
    @mgrosser21972 ай бұрын

    THIS is what I've been waiting for!!!! I purchased Jeff Goins Paramotor book about 3 months before finding Tuckers channel (back around 5k subscribers) and the thing that stopped me from training and a motor purchase was the 2 stroke power plant This may sound strange, but I'm an automotive mechanic by trade and I refuse to rely on a 2 stroke during recreational activities. I work all week on greasy smelly stuff, I don't want to have to do it when I'm off work too. All of my motorcycles are injected, water cooled, 4 strokes. You just check oil level, tire pressures, and go ride. 2 strokes are a nightmare, so I've been waiting for a reliable 4 stroke on a cart, or electric. My wife and I live in Sedona so we don't need the range. The pretty views are at arms length it feels like Great video Tucker. I'll definitely be focusing more on the hobby now that I can get into it and not have to be a mechanic while I'm supposed to be having fun

  • @gupperguppygupper

    @gupperguppygupper

    2 ай бұрын

    No matter the grease, 2 strokes is never enough for me

  • @slickjimmy76

    @slickjimmy76

    2 ай бұрын

    One of our local pilots has 10 years on his moster 185. I do believe they can be reliable with proper care, air fuel mixture & quality oil.

  • @jackhydrazine1376

    @jackhydrazine1376

    2 ай бұрын

    If you think two-strokes are bad wait until you strap that big battery on your back and it explodes...and you can't get it off of ya.

  • @mgrosser2197

    @mgrosser2197

    2 ай бұрын

    @@slickjimmy76 I'm sure you are correct. Look at some of the rotax general aviation 2 stroke engines as an example. Hell my dad has a weed eater that he's had since I was a kid in the 80s My hangup lies in the normal condition of 2 stroke care. By design, you will be working on them, they will be loud and smelly, and I know I will not enjoy it because I've been a mechanic for 25 years and I'd like to leave that stuff at work. My main hobby now is MTB and I ride a hard tail so I don't have to jack with cleaning and adjusting a bunch of hinged joints and suspension components Maybe I'm lazy, but I spend too much time doing that crap at work to come home and do it some more

  • @kens97sto171

    @kens97sto171

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jackhydrazine1376 I believe Tucker said its LFP chemistry.. It's not going to explode. LFP is a very stable chemistry.. I have seen newer cells get pierced with a nail... little smoke.. and that's it. vs.. 3 gallons of flammable liquid on your back with plenty of opportunity for leaks, and a hot exhaust to ignite it.

  • @Robbo1966
    @Robbo19662 ай бұрын

    Great review Tucker, head gear and mic so clear glad your enjoying Arizona

  • @gonzogliding
    @gonzogliding2 ай бұрын

    Keep in mind that Tucker's battery is discontinued, they no longer make the 3.7kw size. The new ones are 4.8kw, weigh 4 more pounds and so far cost the same. For me the electric paramotor made the difference, I just hope it doesn't cost me a divorce.

  • @urazz7739

    @urazz7739

    2 ай бұрын

    That's interesting so what, do they last like 45 minutes if we go by how Tucker flies paramotors on average?

  • @znail4675

    @znail4675

    2 ай бұрын

    I would also consider it rather comparable to buy an extra battery as the total costs would still be lower in the long run. If you have two batteries then you can have the spare one on recharge while you fly for essentially infinite flight time with battery swaps.

  • @urazz7739

    @urazz7739

    2 ай бұрын

    @@znail4675 Depends on where you fly from really. So far in the majority of videos I've seen of people flying paramotors, they generally aren't close to anywhere they can charge a spare battery.

  • @turkeyphant

    @turkeyphant

    2 ай бұрын

    @@znail4675 95%+ of ppg pilots take off a significant drive away from any charging apparatus

  • @PoppieCiulls220

    @PoppieCiulls220

    2 ай бұрын

    @@znail4675my plan is to have an extra battery and charge with my electric truck while I fly

  • @privatepilot4064
    @privatepilot40642 ай бұрын

    Thanks Tucker! Looking for you in the skies over CG!!

  • @Six_One_Six
    @Six_One_SixАй бұрын

    As a vehicle mechanic i'd rather work on gas than use the battery version. I've seen batteries do some things that i'd really not enjoy when it's strapped to my back. 2 stroke mix is less flammable than regular gas, and isn't flammable in liquid form. The risk just isnt there. You dont see small gas engines burning down (or large ones) because of gas. I love electric bikes though!

  • @wspepsilon
    @wspepsilon2 ай бұрын

    100% on some of your final thoughts there. I think another thing to mention is that it might not be the greatest yet but battery technology is changing at a fairly rapid pace. You mentioned other PEV's (personal electric vehicles) like surrons and onewheels. EUC's are another one in that segment and the batteries that are used is changing so rapidly that you can have multiple versions of the same wheel that the only real difference is in the cell type used in the battery which can drastically change the capabilities. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years, some of that range anxiety that you have right now with a 30 min flight can be alleviated.

  • @znail4675

    @znail4675

    2 ай бұрын

    I did a manual battery upgrade on an EUC and got twice the range out of that. Most comes with budget batteries despite high powered ones not costing that much.

  • @zaneketchum585

    @zaneketchum585

    2 ай бұрын

    One wheels are dangerous for us older folks the EUC is more fun than i have had on almost anythign else. GEar up but get out and go.

  • @fabiankehrer3645

    @fabiankehrer3645

    Ай бұрын

    @@zaneketchum585 It depends on good roads nothing beats electric skatboards, carving on boards is just more fun. But when it's about range, convienience, terrain capabilities and comfort the EUC wins.

  • @dionbritten5777
    @dionbritten57772 ай бұрын

    Yo bro, your videos are sick! Your journey is inspiring. Keep flying safe and stay dicey🤙🏻

  • @jerelix
    @jerelix2 ай бұрын

    Nice and objective comparison. Thanks!

  • @magicalkorok
    @magicalkorok2 ай бұрын

    I'm the sock guy that ordered the risky socks last week! Just got them and they are soooo comfortable. Thank you Tucker!!

  • @Les__Mack
    @Les__Mack2 ай бұрын

    You are the best Tucker! Thanks for your great videos! Thanks for getting me into the sport tool. 🙂

  • @josephking7021
    @josephking70212 ай бұрын

    Really interesting comparison. Well done! PS. I actually miss your flying over NJ as beautiful as AZ is.

  • @Deltazor
    @Deltazor2 ай бұрын

    Good comparison, thanks!

  • @jeremyfreetoroam
    @jeremyfreetoroam2 ай бұрын

    Regarding fire, the most likely scenario for a battery to catch on fire is when it's charging. Very rarely when discharging.

  • @ParaglidingManiac
    @ParaglidingManiac2 ай бұрын

    My opinion would be - there is a time and place for both. Me personally, I like to put my glider on the back rack of my ebike and my e-paramotor on my back and go have some low level forest flying (40mins is plenty). While my gas paramotor I like to take out when I really want to explore and go somewhere further away.

  • @butchdavis2703
    @butchdavis27032 ай бұрын

    Damn Tucker is looking stout. I can see you put some muscle on. Great comparison. I am still definitely down to having an electric paramotor in my garage to fly.

  • @wingrovedl
    @wingrovedl2 ай бұрын

    Thank You, for all your feedback on electric paramotors. Well done ! 🤓

  • @scubatrucker6806
    @scubatrucker68062 ай бұрын

    Great review tucker 🤙🤙

  • @paramotortheory
    @paramotortheory2 ай бұрын

    I got my National Forest shirt today. 5 stars. Looks great

  • @heliosld
    @heliosld2 ай бұрын

    YOU hit the bug my friend! :P

  • @COSMEREAUDIO
    @COSMEREAUDIO2 ай бұрын

    Perfect timing

  • @sheogorath7655
    @sheogorath76552 ай бұрын

    I always fear for your phone when it's in your hand with the brake! Have you ever dropped one in your years of flying? Keep the content coming, Tucker! 😃

  • @Brad-py7sj

    @Brad-py7sj

    2 ай бұрын

    Don’t worry, paramotor pilots don’t drop their phones, even while crashing. Anthony cough Vella 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @jsauerii
    @jsauerii2 ай бұрын

    Lipo 4 has a very long life. For solar systems as long as you try not to drop under 20% you can cycle 8000 to 10000 times. Those cycle estimates sound very low. Even then at end of life you have still got 80% of its total capacity at a minimum. New technologies in batteries are bringing the cost and weight down. By the time you need a replacement they will be far cheaper. This battery will last longer for people not running it clear down every time..... FWIW My solar system is using $4000 - 320lb batteries so I am keeping up on battery tech..... You could easily set up a solar charging system to refill this thing too....

  • @Dusty_G
    @Dusty_G2 ай бұрын

    Just getting into the sport, winning this unit would catapult me ahead to getting into the air after the class that starts 25 May.

  • @Cimlite
    @Cimlite2 ай бұрын

    _"Can't believe that guy hit me all over."_ - The bug

  • @zimsterize
    @zimsterize2 ай бұрын

    I'd say you've hit the true sweet spot - owning both.

  • @urazz7739
    @urazz77392 ай бұрын

    Hey Tucker, I think when you do another flight when trying to fly as long as possible, you should fly it on chill mode instead of sport mode to see how it handles. That would probably also increase flight time as well in addition to flying with a bigger glider.

  • @TuckerGott

    @TuckerGott

    2 ай бұрын

    I don’t think it would make a difference. It just changes the response time and max power. Cruise is still cruise.

  • @Wihbs
    @Wihbs2 ай бұрын

    Id love to see you review the Fulcrum PowerPod.. Looks quite interesting.

  • @BuzZzKiller
    @BuzZzKiller2 ай бұрын

    I wonder if air travel will be easier. You can easily check the motor in your luggage on an airplane. The battery may be an issue. But its probably easier to mail a battery than mailing an empty tank with gas fumes.

  • @camsvideocollections9766
    @camsvideocollections97662 ай бұрын

    Love the topo shirt!

  • @mattc.310
    @mattc.3102 ай бұрын

    The plus-minus discussion is really the same with any electric conveyance. The points are identical. My friend went EV, but they do shorter drives alone or with one or two others mainly city with a charge port in their garage. I am still ICE, large vehicle, longer drives with loads or towing, fuel stations everywhere. Each to their own, just let us make our own choices. Good luck to everyone entering the drawing.

  • @tommyNix4098
    @tommyNix40982 ай бұрын

    You mentioned fumes from gas motors. Some paramotors use a fuel bladder. I have a Skymax Star, and fumes have never been an issue, both when storing indoors and when transporting in the back of a hatchback vehicle.

  • @TheMaasse

    @TheMaasse

    2 ай бұрын

    there is still fumes comming from the engine

  • @classicaudioadventures
    @classicaudioadventures2 ай бұрын

    I think you summed it up perfectly. We're early in the era of electric PPG and the current offerings have some technological hurdles to overcome. Early adoption is just part of the process that moves the technology forward and I think eventually we'll see battery systems improve as time goes on. Maybe photovoltaic gliders will become a thing... In your opinion, is the SP140 a viable motor to train on?

  • @shawnd567

    @shawnd567

    2 ай бұрын

    Even an entire wing of solar panels would only make a ~1- Kwh. That would give you about 10-15 minutes of extra flight time at best.

  • @TuckerGott

    @TuckerGott

    2 ай бұрын

    Definitely viable in chill mode. And even more so with the smaller battery for lighter weight.

  • @classicaudioadventures

    @classicaudioadventures

    2 ай бұрын

    @@shawnd567 True...not to mention that any textile based PV would also be far less efficient. I'm mostly curious to see what the future holds for EPPG.

  • @bobsnabby2298

    @bobsnabby2298

    2 ай бұрын

    200W per square meter is the max output in perfect sunny conditions, will any glider fly with it ?

  • @bobsnabby2298

    @bobsnabby2298

    2 ай бұрын

    @@shawnd567 200W per square meter max output in perfect conditions.

  • @mgkleym
    @mgkleym2 ай бұрын

    The fire risk is less that it catches fire while on your back and more that something goes wrong while it's charging and it burns your house down. Thats been the issue with ebikes and scooters anyway. Hopefully the pack is well designed because high performance lithium batteries are generally very spicy.

  • @andyf1235
    @andyf12352 ай бұрын

    If the flight time was similar to gas and the weight was similar to what you described for the electric I would go electric for sure. No maintenance is a huge benefit. But the flight time would need to be longer for me.

  • @oasntet
    @oasntet2 ай бұрын

    There's some hard limits in battery storage technology that we're not going to magic out of the way to get batteries with the energy density of gasoline. What's more likely is that an alternative energy-dense fuel becomes commonplace enough that we get motors built around that, possibly using direct electrical conversion instead of 2-stroke engines. Hydrogen fuel cells, for instance. We're also a long, long way off from those being good enough for paramotoring, but alternate energy sources, not energy storage, are far more likely to bridge the gap between electric and 2-stroke.

  • @Aircam73

    @Aircam73

    2 ай бұрын

    Hydrogen fuel cells will not work in this situation. The storage is far to large and heavy and to get enough electricity out of a fuel cell to run a propeller at full speed you would need a very large, expensive and heavy one. Plus the cost to fly a fuel cell would be around $30 an hour and that is if you could even get the hydrogen to run it.

  • @Lyrainthevalley

    @Lyrainthevalley

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@Aircam73I heard some things a few years back about hydrogen-burning internal combustion engines. I wonder if it would be possible to overcome the safety and practicality issues of hydrogen storage too use that approach... Honestly it seems unlikely, but would be neat

  • @oasntet

    @oasntet

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Aircam73 We're talking about far-future tech, not today's. If the weight of metallic hydrogen can be brought down, it might be able to compete with battery. I'm not optimistic, but maybe.

  • @cjermo
    @cjermo2 ай бұрын

    I've been tossing the electric v gas decision up for a couple of years as my first PPG. I'm not quite the group you mention re only getting into the hobby with electric, but it certainly has some appeal for just getting up in the air without the maintenance concerns on a two-stroke. Most of the time, I expect 30 to 45 minutes is plenty for me, although I'd like the option to go further too. Now that OpenPPG has the ICE kit, I'm very much leaning towards the SP140 and then grabbing that and, maybe, a Moster EFI down the track when I'm comfortable enough to start looking at cross-country flights. Are there any concerns you have on the frame relative to comparable ICE setups? I guess put another way, is the SP140 in ICE mode materially worse than dedicated ICE setups?

  • @737smartin

    @737smartin

    2 ай бұрын

    I'd settled on electric when I was contemplating getting into the sport. The short flights seemed fine for my plans, and the ease of use was far, far more important.

  • @moppman3191
    @moppman31912 ай бұрын

    Great series on the gas-electric comparison. I was wondering if there are electric trikes ?

  • @Tatankaonline
    @TatankaonlineАй бұрын

    I’m going to put my order in when I return from training. I’ve talked to Paul and there are several things back ordered so if I sent my $$$ now it would just sit in his bank instead of mine. Battery tech and life will just get better w time.

  • @mgdubya27
    @mgdubya272 ай бұрын

    I'm all in on electric. I can "fill up" off my excess solar at home!

  • @flyingtime5501

    @flyingtime5501

    2 ай бұрын

    That is my future plans as well. Still gonna 2stroke it till then tho!

  • @mgdubya27

    @mgdubya27

    2 ай бұрын

    @@flyingtime5501 I'm stroking it at the moment as well, but my goal is to all electric.

  • @huepix

    @huepix

    2 ай бұрын

    My 2 stroker is electric. 🙄🤣

  • @RimjobHimself

    @RimjobHimself

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you guys keep black kids able to keep working for a bowl of rice a day making those nice batteries.

  • @pauldickman4379

    @pauldickman4379

    2 ай бұрын

    @@RimjobHimself Either that or contribute to dislocating poor people who live near coasts by adding carbon when burning fuel. Best we all just sit at home and do nothing lest we potentially harm someone else! We should expect companies to source their products ethically, we don't have to feel bad just for buying something...

  • @AkumaQiu
    @AkumaQiu2 ай бұрын

    I'm fairly certain with a ducted fan design and torso bags you could double the flight time~

  • @JohnPowell6
    @JohnPowell62 ай бұрын

    You should try a distance run with the electric - climb, glide, and repeat until you zero out the battery.

  • @treedude1464
    @treedude14642 ай бұрын

    3:22 eat zee bugs. LOL

  • @Carson_ppg

    @Carson_ppg

    2 ай бұрын

    I will not eat the bugs, I will not live in the pod.

  • @WOTArtyNoobs

    @WOTArtyNoobs

    2 ай бұрын

    Bugs or steak? - you decide!

  • @huepix

    @huepix

    2 ай бұрын

    I like dried crickets. With the right spices, delicious with some beers. Nearly 100% protein too!

  • @jackhydrazine1376

    @jackhydrazine1376

    2 ай бұрын

    You will own nothing and be happy!

  • @WOTArtyNoobs

    @WOTArtyNoobs

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jackhydrazine1376 Under their regime, you would not have a choice or gas or electric. Indeed, you may not be allowed to paramotor.

  • @sultanofmultan2012
    @sultanofmultan20122 ай бұрын

    U guys insane. I nervous just watching lol

  • @libertyforamericanow
    @libertyforamericanow2 ай бұрын

    1:36 wow I was thinking 4k. They are nuts!

  • @OtisFlint

    @OtisFlint

    2 ай бұрын

    a 50cc kids MX bike is $4k man.

  • @libertyforamericanow

    @libertyforamericanow

    2 ай бұрын

    @@OtisFlint a dirt bike takes way more to manufacture the only cool thing about this pair of motor is if you're way off grid you can charge it on solar

  • @TenMillionYearProgram42

    @TenMillionYearProgram42

    Ай бұрын

    @@libertyforamericanowdirt bikes don’t fly.

  • @huepix
    @huepix2 ай бұрын

    I understand they've added an even bigger battery option. With a bigger more efficient wing, flight times over an hour seem reasonable. That weight tho. Esp landing! Be like having a big kid jump on yer back

  • @JohnPowell6
    @JohnPowell62 ай бұрын

    Can't wait for the first wing that's also a solar panel! Then you could fly for a few hours, set down, spread out and anchor the wing and let the battery recharge for the next flight.

  • @urazz7739

    @urazz7739

    2 ай бұрын

    Nah, flight times wouldn't be long enough for it to charge up an electric paramotor all that much and it would drastically increase the cost.

  • @elitecpudoc329
    @elitecpudoc3292 ай бұрын

    Battery chemistry is going to have the greatest impact on whether the battery will catch fire. There is still a great fear from back when overboards where catching fire every other day. But those systems were slapped together with no BMS and no concern for thermal runaway. Moving forward as battery technologies improve, and newer chemistries come out, you will see an increase in battery density, and that will only help in flight time.

  • @wozandnic

    @wozandnic

    2 ай бұрын

    Solid state batteries are the new way forward

  • @rogertherrien1128
    @rogertherrien11282 ай бұрын

    What about taking your electic systen and hooking it up to a trike?? Reason I ask is I am Handicapped and cannot run!!??

  • @MrCPPG

    @MrCPPG

    2 ай бұрын

    I have the SP140 and yes it can be mounted to a trike. I have a launch on my trike in the SP140 on my channel.

  • @archibuana3204
    @archibuana32042 ай бұрын

    maybe in the near time batteries capacity and durability will significant improve better

  • @rjstewart
    @rjstewart2 ай бұрын

    One thing to consider about electric is the current state of battery innovation. There are battery systems in prototype that charge significantly faster and have much higher capacity and weigh less. It’s really exciting to think where this could be in 3-5 years. I predict you’ll put out a new video in the future showing off 2 hour run time on a 50 lbs motor+battery that charges in under 30 minutes!

  • @Astepatatimekvarn
    @Astepatatimekvarn2 ай бұрын

    Tucker on electric batteries as the charge depletes the output voltage does. I'm sure there are batteries developed were this doesn't occur.

  • @martinfoster5163
    @martinfoster51632 ай бұрын

    Is it feasible to fly to some suitable altitude then turn off and fly around with thermals or ridge lift winds for much longer? I read somewhere about PowerPod a 2-stroke paramotor rig with a ducted prop. If somebody, PowerPod or others, could get that working with electric it could mean much longer flying time.

  • @lobbyrobby
    @lobbyrobby2 ай бұрын

    As far as the weight tho I heard the sp140 doesn't feel that heavy because the battery weight is closer to your back. Is that true?

  • @DarioushAryan
    @DarioushAryan2 ай бұрын

    great

  • @liamwescott9264
    @liamwescott92642 ай бұрын

    What would be interesting would be to find some kind of alternative fuel for the paramotor other than gasoline. I doubt you could find anything that would entirely replace gas, but that is an intriguing possibility in any case.

  • @1asdfasdfasdf
    @1asdfasdfasdf2 ай бұрын

    Can you set up a motor break in the ESC to help cut down on the wind milling?

  • @henryfillingim5262
    @henryfillingim5262Ай бұрын

    Are the cross bars that hold the cage on Carbon fiber ? Not crazy about that if so. I like the Maverick Ty. frame. Carbon fiber takes me back to an Air Conception. Glad to be done with that. Carbon fiber is to brittle for me😊

  • @eatsleepturbo
    @eatsleepturbo2 ай бұрын

    You talked about the electric cult, I am probably a part of that because I own a Talaria ( Ebike, same category as a Suron) and youtube recommanded me your video specially because of the Electric Paramotor. I watched a few video and would like one try to try paramotoring.

  • @lubricatedgoat
    @lubricatedgoat2 ай бұрын

    Just think how much better gas motors will be in 5 years? Not better. Now that same rig, using batteries of 5 years from now? Probably 2 hours flight time. There's also a lot of room for advancement in the actual aircraft design since it's not constrained by the original lawnmower-on-your-back concept. Twin motors for example that could provide yaw and pitch (partly), and not sit in such turbulent airflow behind the pilot (one on each side). Solar fabric and conducting tethers could also be incorporated. Larger and slower props for lowered noise and greater efficiency. No oxygen at altitude problems. Universal and easily obtained "fuel." Could even regen and act as a powerful brake in flight. Regen on the ground through windmilling. Large battery to run other equipment (safety gear, or camping etc.) I really think a two-person trike used for 1 person with dual electric motors would today be an amazing platform.

  • @urazz7739

    @urazz7739

    2 ай бұрын

    At the most Internal combustion paramotors will just be more efficient and powerful so they'll have better flight times at the most. They generally don't aim to make them quieter, and I don't know if that's feasible with an ICE.

  • @stephenhoover4095
    @stephenhoover40952 ай бұрын

    Your highest fire risk is during charging, in-flight the risk of the battery igniting is very low.

  • @Batman-tb6fq
    @Batman-tb6fq2 ай бұрын

    Tucker can you please tell me what the electric one cost with wing...thank you very much

  • @Velacreations
    @Velacreations2 ай бұрын

    Do they have a regen feature on these electric systems, so when you you cut it, the windmilling can charge the battery?

  • @TJK50014
    @TJK500142 ай бұрын

    Wonder if there is a way to jettison the motor/battery pack in case of fire? A quick release and the motor/battery drops out and away from the parachute.

  • @scottsmall9898
    @scottsmall98982 ай бұрын

    Electric would absolutely rock if youbwere flying where you had good updrafts and only needed the prop just to get back into a updraft or for taking off and landing. Im still waiting for the hybrid motor to come along, its gunna happen or at least i hope it does.

  • @marcusheap
    @marcusheap2 ай бұрын

    Can you take a spare battery with you and fly until dead, glide and land. Change battery and set off back. Probably better part of two hours flight time if you are careful with the throttle and only go up gently to 250ft.

  • @TuckerGott

    @TuckerGott

    2 ай бұрын

    You would be carrying another 43lbs and it would cost you $2,200. But yes, you could double your flight time.

  • @urazz7739

    @urazz7739

    2 ай бұрын

    @@TuckerGott I don't think it would double your flight time because you are adding on an additional 43lbs of weight so it would drain the battery a bit faster I imagine but it would still nearly double your flight time. That's not even factoring in how uncomfortable it would be to carry another big heavy battery though.

  • @wreckloose120
    @wreckloose1202 ай бұрын

    I want to see an analysis of the KZreadr who was going for speed and suffered some type of collapse. The video made me rethink wanting to try paramotoring.

  • @MikeKing

    @MikeKing

    2 ай бұрын

    Not much analysis needed for that one. A.V. was flying a brand new unfamiliar glider, hands off, just a few minutes into his flight at only 80' above ground, fully accelerated while filming himself with his camera, totally distracted, and just being an extremely high risk pilot, without a reserve even. If you want the sport to be safe, don't fly like that and its extremely safe. You control the risks you take while flying.

  • @j_siple5017
    @j_siple50172 ай бұрын

    On your one comment about seeing the batterie charge and other functions on your handheld device with the electric paramotor, and not being able to see your gas with a gasoline one. Do you think there would be a way to set up a gas gage connected to your accelerator with the gas paramotor? Just a thought. Might be tricky

  • @SpeedyDad1
    @SpeedyDad12 ай бұрын

    So here's my thought on the gas vs electric. Today at the flying field, the car parked just down from your truck was my Mini Cooper. It is electric. I love it for what it is intended to be and that is an around town, short range vehicle. I never bought it intending to drive to the east coast. We have a Jeep Cherokee for that. It is a fun sporty and quite rapid car that is a blast to drive around town. I see the electric parameter the same way. No, you will not fly to Tucson with it. That's for the gas paramotor. I see a number of paramotor flyers that really don't do much more than fly around their local LZ and have fun. The electric would be great for that. No muss, no fuss. Just plug it in and fly. I want to explore so gas (until battery technology advances) is my weapon of choice. It's too bad you won't have the electric for a longer period of time. I'd like to see the differences in range based on temps. My electric Mini gets less mileage in the cold weather ("cold" in AZ - LOL). I should have cheated today and timed how long you were gone. I did think about it while flying. Theoretically, a larger wind should give you more range since the motor will not have to work as hard to keep you in the air. The rub, however is that the larger wing will create more drag which will counteract that. It will be interesting to see if the added lift overcomes the induced drag of the larger wing. Time, and your next video, will tell.

  • @urazz7739

    @urazz7739

    2 ай бұрын

    Then again, you could keep the battery inside your house if you want so the battery is only in extreme temperatures when you are flying so hopefully the effect won't be as bad, especially since you will be flying for only like 30 minutes. So hopefully that lessens the effect extreme weather has on the battery.

  • @joava3328
    @joava33282 ай бұрын

    I think electric would be a pretty good option for me personally in part because I know basically nothing about 2 stroke engines, let alone have to maintain them. My biggest concern is the weight. I've not actually gotten into the sport yet, but after finding your channel, I really want to. However, I'm only like 5'3" and like 140lbs, so adding 78lbs...I'm not sure how well I would do taking off, let alone landing. But it might not be as bad as I think. I could start exercising. Also, I wish your shirt designs had the graphics on the front instead of the back. I'm often wearing some kind of sweater because I'm always cold, so the back is usually covered up. Otherwise, I love the shirts.

  • @adamr9215

    @adamr9215

    Ай бұрын

    Being that small, there are probably smaller, lighter options. He is heavier and likes sporty with extra power, so I’m sure that you could find something lighter that would work for you. Start doing some short jogs with a backpack that has some weight in it. Make sure your legs can handle it, and build up if you need to. It’s not hard to work on the simple 2 strokes, but I can understand if it’s not something you want to learn about. To me, it’s part of the fun. And there is the accomplishment you get from being able to say that you did it all, tuning through flying. Plus, it’s a friendly community and there are many that will help you out if you ask.

  • @ThirtytwoJ
    @ThirtytwoJ2 ай бұрын

    So for a quarter the weight and cost you can have a hybrid that stays topped off an wont leave you stranded or degrade as quickly. When i see that ill buy one.. or ima jus make one.

  • @notmanatee2445
    @notmanatee244513 күн бұрын

    Im going for electric,and when its on idling mode,will i save energy and more efficiently for flying? And will it be more efficient and safe if its completely off? Im not buying one yet,but when i do,ill let you know!

  • @merendell
    @merendell2 ай бұрын

    Generally lithium batteries are only a fire hazard if physically damaged or while charging. Your only going to get a in use fire if the battery/compartment was badly designed, then you get the galaxy note 4. Charging fires are far less likely with modern BMS systems but even still don't charge them unattended and do it on a fireproof surface and your probably fine.

  • @swecreations

    @swecreations

    2 ай бұрын

    It's interesting every time I see a news story about an electric car fire while fire statistics from multiple countries show them being at least 20x less likely in electric cars (that is per car, difference is of course much bigger if you look at it as a total figure, as there's obviously a lot more gasoline cars on the road).

  • @CountDankula0
    @CountDankula02 ай бұрын

    What are your thoughts on the video of the paramotor crash recently , can you do a video talking about and discussing that and what went wrong?

  • @jamiestotz2516
    @jamiestotz25162 ай бұрын

    How much does the 3 blade 140cm prop affect the flight time? Isn't a 2 blade 130cm prop more typical?

  • @wilsistermans1118
    @wilsistermans11182 ай бұрын

    The chance a battery will catch fire during flight is really low. For electric cars it is proven to be about 70 times less compared to petrol cars. Change of a battery catching fire is the biggest during charging. A good battery pack with a good charger (not the cheap China made ones) has protection against overheating. So the risk of fire is about zero.

  • @mgkleym

    @mgkleym

    2 ай бұрын

    It's never zero. Remember the samsung galaxy note fiasco? GM also had to replace the packs in several years worth of chevy bolts due to a manufacturing defect in the battery that resulted in several fires. There is always some risk with high performance lithium chemistry. It's just the cost of doing business if you want top tier power and energy to weight ratios.

  • @tobir693

    @tobir693

    2 ай бұрын

    From what I've heard it's not that it happens more often, but when it does happen its almost impossible to put out,. I've seen interviews with firefighter who say, they've submerged Teslas for long periods of time (after catching fire), just for it to catch fire again after being taken out of the water.

  • @merendell

    @merendell

    2 ай бұрын

    @@mgkleym the galaxy note was a design flaw. LiO batteries need a little room to expand and contract during use to be safe. Engineering said use battery X and leave enough space for battery X to expand as normal. Marketing saw all that extra space engineering left and said we need more battery life, lets fill that space with battery Y. And thus batteries that really should not be compressed were and we had peoples pants catching on fire.

  • @markcieslikowski2284
    @markcieslikowski22842 ай бұрын

    One thing that I noticed was a left out of the equation, at least for me. Is the pollution differential between an electric and a two-stroke. Two-stroke engines are the second most polluting internal combustion engines except for diesel. Having said that I haven’t seen any mention of it by you or any of your followers.… Everybody has their own priorities. Good luck and thanks for the entertainment you give.

  • @dingdongdaddy589

    @dingdongdaddy589

    2 ай бұрын

    Nah. The amount of filth and destruction to the environment that comes out of mining minerals for batteries is well-hidden, for a reason - it destroys their narrative.

  • @toddsmith4280
    @toddsmith4280Ай бұрын

    Does the propeller regenerate electricity when idle and coming down from high altitude ?

  • @europaeuropa3673
    @europaeuropa36732 ай бұрын

    Did I miss the max output static thrust in pounds for the electric vs gas?

  • @briansteinberg1381
    @briansteinberg13812 ай бұрын

    I'd figure the cost of range time. at $2200 for the battery and as you say 1000 rides at 30 minutes per ride which is generous given that maybe for first 500 rides will be 30 minutes but the batteries and rides will decline in time from there. So at best your looking at 500 hours of total range, but really more like 400 or less. That's $4.40 per hour in battery cost, but more like $5.50, which is more than a current cost of a gallon of gas. Plus the $.60 charge cost to come to $5 to $6 per hour battery/charge cost. And I don't see the range improving. Ebikes has stayed the same in the 6 years I've been riding them at around 45 miles. With that said the ease of use and little maintenance, quieter rides and portability are good features.

  • @slickjimmy76
    @slickjimmy762 ай бұрын

    If the battery chemistry is lithium Ion plan on 500 cycles & %25 loss of capacity especially above %40 discharge and %100 recharge.

  • @NewtonWashinton
    @NewtonWashinton2 ай бұрын

    I would say if you want a EP spend 10k and buy it with a extra battery.

  • @paulnelson5314
    @paulnelson53142 ай бұрын

    Most of the noise is from the prop, I imagine the motor itself is pretty quiet. My question is does the speed controller have a sensible Low Voltage Cut-off. What I mean is if you take those cells too low you can stress them and create all kinds of issues. Heat is the real enemy of lithium chemistry cells.

  • @djkuhl
    @djkuhl2 ай бұрын

    Should be interesting when sodium batteries are available next month. They are half the cost and charge in about 10 minutes. The early versions look like they'll have about 80% of the capacity, but I think as manufacturing gets better they'll be as good or better than lithium.

  • @rjstewart

    @rjstewart

    2 ай бұрын

    This is my thought too. 3-5 years he will be showing off a 2 hour flight time battery that charges in under 30 minutes with a total package that is lighter than any gas engine!

  • @dumbcrumb879

    @dumbcrumb879

    2 ай бұрын

    where did you see the info on these batteries?

  • @djkuhl

    @djkuhl

    2 ай бұрын

    @@dumbcrumb879 You can already get them off of Chinese sites. There is an American company called Advanced Electric making battery packs but their price is higher. As always, I would take battery claims with a grain of salt until they are out in the wild.

  • @timstephens5893

    @timstephens5893

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@dumbcrumb879OnlyFans?

  • @lubricatedgoat

    @lubricatedgoat

    2 ай бұрын

    Sodium ion batteries will be used primarily for stationary storage and cheaper, lower range electric cars. They have relatively low gravimetric and volumetric energy density. Bad for aircraft.

  • @klm20079
    @klm200792 ай бұрын

    Problems i see now with the battery's is this; what effect climate on performance, what if in hot weather battery goes fast and cold will work slower?

  • @shawnd567

    @shawnd567

    2 ай бұрын

    In extreme cold, the battery will be weak and probably not even work. You also probably wouldn't wanna fly in that either. Extreme heat kills batteries longevity wise.

  • @TankTheSpank
    @TankTheSpank2 ай бұрын

    Honestly they need to make a hybrid. Electric for lift off, gas for charging the battery / higher altitudes. Fixes noise, and makes it efficient / redundant in case of engine going out. Also it can provide more torque.

  • @heartsky

    @heartsky

    2 ай бұрын

    So how much weight are you thinking that will add?

  • @TankTheSpank

    @TankTheSpank

    2 ай бұрын

    @@heartsky just needs a small 10 lbs battery. Or even less. Like honestly doesn’t need a big one. Just enough to get a little extra push when you need it

  • @ringo-lf3cd
    @ringo-lf3cd2 ай бұрын

    What do you do with the battery when it's spent? Can it be recycled?

  • @canolando3499
    @canolando34992 ай бұрын

    What about the newer big battery? Can you get one to test?

  • @cccspwn
    @cccspwn2 ай бұрын

    With electric paramotors I think I can reasonably get into this sport (I live in a condo and this is probaly my only option) My only issue is that one day I want to fly above the clouds, I was wondering if electric paramotors have enough flight time to do this?

  • @adamdarrow
    @adamdarrow2 ай бұрын

    The energy density of batteries is just going to get better. I bet there will be 2 hour electric flight in a few years.

  • @neosugus
    @neosugus2 ай бұрын

    How confident do you feel about battery catching fire or other electronic issues? Do you feel 100% confident?

  • @heartsky

    @heartsky

    2 ай бұрын

    The only 100% sure things in life are death & taxes.

  • @markkramer2008
    @markkramer20082 ай бұрын

    For those of us who dream to start is there a financing option where you can get equipment and training all in one???

  • @4945656
    @49456562 ай бұрын

    The deal breaker for me is the flight time. I'm interested in those crazy long cross country flights. 30 minutes is just not enough.

  • @robertgary3561
    @robertgary35612 ай бұрын

    If you go out to the desert for a 3 day weekend can you just bring a gas generator?

  • @sterlingc777
    @sterlingc7772 ай бұрын

    I need to know are you gonna go to Oshkosh 24 cause I want to meet you there

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