That therapist should absolutely be investigated because that is completely crossing the line in terms of a therpists code of ethics. There are very strict rules for therapists to follow and if they dont they can be sued and even lose their licenses.

@mattwest289

Жыл бұрын

She adopted and helped a client . Sounds to me like a fucking good therapist

@douglas4285

Жыл бұрын

@@mattwest289 she shouldn't be doing that by any means. Perhaps supporting the woman in finding someone else to take the baby, but this is absolutely a conflict of interest.

@oranje2974

Жыл бұрын

yeah this shit is wild af

@hannahnolan9829

Жыл бұрын

No this is such a conflict of interest. Im sorry her first decision should have been an abortion she clearly wasnt prepared and that baby is a human being she did the right thing by giving her baby away but not to her therapist. I hope she finds healing and growth from within herself not an innocent baby

@ogonbio8145

Жыл бұрын

@@mattwest289 genuinely makes me think of human trafficking. Just imagine that. She then referred the single mother to a therapist she is associated with. If anything I think the therapists entire organization should be investigated because those types of organizations can have a lot of power. I don’t know, what do you all think of my little theory. Lol

the more information the first caller shared the worse it got - natalie seems very kind and sweet but is absolutely being exploited by these people

this has to be a religious counselor. any legit therapist would lose their license in a heartbeat.

@charlie.saturday

Жыл бұрын

Gosh that's a good point. I'm over here racking my brain thinking how is this "therapist" getting away with this?

Jesus Geck, this one’s a doozy. Going from that first story to “how do my friends and I pull pranks in Walmart without getting embarrassed” is just wild

@lipayy9852

Жыл бұрын

The second call lost me IQ points

@h3avymetalzz359

Жыл бұрын

@@lipayy9852 hit a blinker bro

Her lawyer was completely right wanting to get her therapist’s license revoked. I’m almost done with law school and lawyers and doctors/therapists have similar ethics regarding relationships: that would get you disbarred or seriously in some deep shit if her attorney did that without outside counsel from all sides. This is such an exploitative situation.

Bro this girl was exploited and manipulated by her parents and therapist. This gives me narcissistic vibes that make my stomach turn. My theory is the parents encouraged her to give up her baby because they are full blown Mormon and hate the fact that there daughter isn't participating in the religion that they favor. So they had her therapist that they set her up with when she was 15 (so that they could be sure they are able to know and manipulate everything in her life mentally) con her into thinking she wouldn't be a good mother. And it just so happens that the therapist was looking to adopt herself... None of that is right or okay ethically at all. Please get a new therapist and seek an attorney that absolutely no one else in your life has association with or knows of. You were exploited and you're going to regret not getting legal help when your child turns 3 and they stop letting you see your child or some crazy shit that I don't doubt would happen.

“There’s so much to assume, that assuming anything would be unproductive” is an enlightening perspective that I will use in situations of anxiety and uncertainty

As someone who’s adopted who grew up in that cu- church…. She is being exploited and it makes me mad

First of all, this should be illegal. They manipulated her to give her baby away. They're convincing her that it's better for the child but she needs to realize all the problems she has from being adopted. Her daughter's going to have. Except only worse because her mother being around is going to be so confusing. I can't even believe that this was permitted because a therapist can control your decisions and persuade you and that's exactly what she did. She wants her kid back but she's listening to what her parents and her therapist is saying that it's better for the child. Just because she's 22 and doesn't have that great of a job doesn't mean anything. When you love something you will fight tooth and nail for it to make it as best situation. This is a sad, sad story and I hope that this therapist burns in hell for this and her parents too

I get the feeling that everyone in Natalies life except maybe her new bf and roommate are gaslighting the fuck out of her. It sounded like she has normal new parent fears. (Not that i would know, childfree!) Shouldn't her therapist have tried to encourage her and give her tools to do what I'm sure she is very capable of. And what she actually wants. Sounds like she was manipulated and its extra nasty that it's from a person she trusted with her mental health. Definitely seek resources to help outside that crazy town bubble.

@dailydoseoftuc11

Жыл бұрын

Its because they were morman, with they crazy cult like asses 💀

Man was speechless in the first min

Setting an alarm to remind yourself to change a baby is *smart* There's so many diapers to change over the course of a child's infancy that it can get overwhelming and exhausting. Especially with a girl where uti's or yeast infections can happen more easily, that's a fucking smart idea, not something to be ashamed of. ❤️ Edit: YES PLEASE GET A NEW THERAPIST NOT RELATED TO THIS. once you said you were not mormon and they are, immediately my thought is that they think they're "saving" this baby. Money is not what makes a good parent, it's love, and Natalie, you obviously have so much love for your little girl. "The bigger picture" sounds like it was fed to you, not your own views. Girl, I'm wishing all the best for you. ❤️❤️❤️

@wes7949

Жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯

@nicholasgarcia399

Жыл бұрын

That's Mormonist

@BEERBOMB113

Жыл бұрын

Idk who or where she got the idea that the alarm thing made her less of a good mother. she took a step to make sure she was checking her diaper often enough and it's good parenting not bad parenting. I wonder if the therapist told her that actually...

@Nqwilliams

Жыл бұрын

My biggest takeaway is she is way too susceptible to take other people’s advice. Believe in yourself and make these big life choices yourself a bit more instead of being so persuaded by people who are probably trying to use you!

@lou1012

Жыл бұрын

I'm worried about the ethics of her own adoption situation after hearing that. I've heard of a lot of weird adoption stories when I was active in the church

A therapist is in such a position of power and trust that they can convince you to sign _anything._ That is why there are such strict rules on patient interactions. My psychology professor once feared that she'd get in trouble for giving her patient a ride home. Convincing your patient to give you their child is completely unacceptable.

OoF the minute Natalie said her family was Mormon alarm bells went off. I wonder if her first therapist is Mormon too and they're trying to keep the baby in the cul-uh religion.

@goblinorgy

Жыл бұрын

100%

@WakaFlakaFlame777

Жыл бұрын

😂 do you guys even know a Mormon?

@Kitanith

Жыл бұрын

@@WakaFlakaFlame777 yup. A couple ex Mormons too. 🙄

@kiwibatss

Жыл бұрын

@@WakaFlakaFlame777 I’m an ex-Mormon and everything made a lot more sense the moment she said that 🤷🏻‍♀️

@WakaFlakaFlame777

Жыл бұрын

@@kiwibatss I agree that it did make more sense. I just wonder if people know anything about Mormons when they comment.

The therapist took advantage of her vulnerable state. Going through post partum depression is such a confusing time but it's temporary and the amount of regret that she will possibly go through is not something I would wish on anyone her therapist should have known this. That's so messed up. A therapist should not be intervening in this way. This one made me tear up. No parent really knows what they are doing in the beginning, and setting a timer for diaper changes is really smart, especially when you are going through post partum. As someone who suffered from post partum anxiety, this was so heartbreaking. A therapist is supposed to help you work through those insecurities not to feed into them for their own advantage. She needs to get herself a therapist who does not have any connection to the therapist that has her child and a better attorney !

I trust geck more than licensed therapists

this therapist adopting a patients baby in a matter of days is some fishy fishy stuff

The story with the girl who has a shitty bf- ive been there. They suck so much, but right when you are at your breaking point, they do something nice enough to just keep you going a little longer. My advice, stop wasting your time and get out now. You will be much happier and can be treated much better. They aren’t going to change.

@Hellaframes

Жыл бұрын

i think people are like that in general. my ex gf didn’t start trying to be nice and stuff until she could tell i was done

@sw8547

Жыл бұрын

Yes people of the internet please know this; it is okay to leave it is okay to chose to be happy with out someone who treats you badly. It doesn’t matter how long you have been with them. Leave. You can and will find someone else that treats you how you want to be treated, with love and respect

@kevinmills1318

Жыл бұрын

I had unresolved deep rooted depression brewing over a decade that ruined a 3 year relationship, and because of advice with a dismissive tone like this, at that breaking point - her answer was the following: Confide into my close friends and family, all loved ones, her concerns - literally talking behind my back with others; some sort of covert collusion, that began to gaslight herself into various ideas next-to conspiracy. The day after my birthday, she suggested a break and I was [figuratively] nearly on my knees begging to work through it. Although my periodic binge drinking (I am not a severe alcoholic) and occasional manic depression outbursts (Bipolar II diagnosis is debatable) were not helpful for the relationship; with her own issues from trauma, including- severe anxiety, mild depression & mild PTSD, and codependency to some toxic extremes. A week later after that talk we had about taking a break, she surprises me with an "intervention" without aid or presence from my own therapist; she gathered my parents [lived over an hour away in a different county] and an older brother of mine [whom lived in the area/neighborhood], to sit down so she can share a prepared written speech. In her speech, to summarize, begun with compassion to lament over a wonderful relationship for two years that just deteriorate in that last year, and she intended to end with the ultimatum that we were on a break for the season [until the new year, couple months away] after her graduation. Noted my alcohol usage as a grave concern, [&] my depression and symptomatic anger outbursts from unresolved grief over loss, [&] concluded I did not care for her because I couldn't help her with her own personal issues since I was [beginning to] investing myself into sorting out my emotional damage. I tried to reason with the complaint of my alcoholism, but that read off as defensive and aggressive - so she insisted the relationship was finished. In my defense, that month I were celebrating 3 different birthdays, so yes each weekend I had a few drinks - and also a night cap shot or two of whiskey on weekdays for my after work ritual to unwind; just because I had a DUI two years prior meeting the girl, may prove I am an alcoholic, but my year through A.A. with my own research - I follow the CDC & NIAAA guidelines to moderate my consumption (and honestly I hadn't had liquor since my post break up binge drinking period). Within the next half hour, of this break up debauchery poorly introduced as an "intervention", some clothes were thrown into a bag and I was kicked out of my apartment & separated from my kitten [Friendly Black cat by the name Poe]. My frantic texts/calls to reach out and communicate were not civilly reciprocated; naturally I had questions, like when I was going to get my shit back or how could I salvage the relationship - but that ship sailed, as I failed to realize she tried inviting my close friend over to our apartment that same night she kicked me out, and started dating a new guy by the end of the next week (I learned later next month). So she wouldn't talk with me, and I thought to send emails or write letters or mail gifts like hand-drawn nude sketches (something we always talked of doing); she submitted that to the police as evidence for a PPO submission her parents suggested, due to her previous relationship that involved domestic abuse. That petition were denied by the judge, thankfully, due to a lack of concrete evidence - so it never saw trial. So, she wouldn't talk to me, but she would text my parents - like how she thought I was trying to break in when I left the envelopes at our apartment door; To which it became clear she saw me as a potentially violent man, perhaps because of my suicidal thoughts, and later I learned she contacted Domestic Violence Support Hotline earlier that month before taking the break - and I greatly overlooked the effect of her trauma from that previous relationship, which should not have been taken lightly (especially) since it was her only relationship before me. I could speculate, her obsession with psychopathic murders and true crime documentaries may also help cause such acute fear and rationalizations, but at best it could only been a supplement or perhaps the hobby is a symptom of her trauma. I could continue with the gory details, how this lead me on my journey through therapy or seeking help for mental health and wellness, but it was just a mess and I'm not sure how my story can help anyone in particularly. Although, in retrospect, there is one helpful and vital piece of information I can share. If my ex girlfriend had contacted OneLove rather than the domestic violence hotline - I'm certain the counsel she received would had been much different advice. Whomever she spoke on that hotline bought into her fear and advised her out of that fear, whereas anyone of rationale would understand there's two sides to a story - and hearing that someone's partner shares suicidal thoughts because of a recent trauma [suicide of my oldest brother, within weeks of beginning the relationship with the ex; among other things...] isn't indictive of a violent personality just because they have spontaneous anger outbursts from unresolved deep rooted depression. I'm certain if she contacted the One Love non-profit organization, she could had found resources to help us work through that difficult patch for the relationship. Yet, that will was not there - her will was for herself [understandably, because as any satanist knows - you look out for #1]; She broke off the relationship for her own security, and over a year later - in retrospect, I can agree that it was for the best because it was not a healthy relationship. It could had been a beautiful relationship, but we simply couldn't share our emotional damage to move along the healing process together. My advice [or tip], was originally One Love is another great non profit organization for anyone with issues in their relationship; that the domestic violence hotline is bad, especially if you think your depressed asexual boyfriend with a mild porn/masturbation addiction is a violent person just because they have suicidal thoughts, and that "potentially dangerous" individual also believes alcohol use is only indictive of alcoholism with excessive alcohol abuse. Although, my misfortunate tale has various things to share - especially much to discuss with unhealthy relationships [love bombing, for example], but I'm not one to reveal all the juicy details - so I think I shared enough with all the good people whom read this comment. -[TL;DR Version]- (Sorry for the personal anecdote I did my best to summarize) Yes, if things suck then get out! To anyone who is wrestling with confusion over whether they are in a bad unhealthy relationship and whether to break up - it was a bad relationship if, a year later, you can acknowledge the subtleties to the unhealthy behavior; so if you have a strong feeling you're in a relationship that is only negative - go with that gut feeling and get out of the bandwagon. Although, dealing with the dynamics & intricacies of communication - personally I'm still learning about the nuances of maintaining healthy social relationships; so although I may be well read, I may not be able to help anyone come to grip the reality of healthy communication in this modern era - it's difficult with it's fine details, to say the least, so I can only advise to enjoy the ride. So, if someone has any doubts of the nature of their relationship's unhealthy behavior because there are no easily recognizable patterns, such as (i.e.) whether a relationship is possibly abusive - contact domestic violence hotline if you are in grave fear for your life, or rather contact One Love if you are trying to work through a bad patch in a relationship where there is unhealthy toxic behavior (e.g. Gaslighting, etc.). If you read my personal anecdote, then thank you. If you liked it - congratulations, I hope you were able to collect your own prize. If you didn't like it, well I don't typically reply to comments - but I do like to write so we can do that if you're looking for some strange sort of love. Either way, I can appreciate anyone who would take time to read that wall of text - because the time it took me to write it done much for my own emotional healing process in the ongoing journey through Therapy. Cancel Reply

@maggierosa4751

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinmills1318 it’s interesting that you keep bringing up how she must think you are “violent” when violence is not the only manifestation of abuse. You might know this, but there are emotional, verbal, psychological, financial, sexual, property abuse… not just physical violence. I think you should read the book “becoming Allies” by dr Chris huffine, and take to heart how, despite what you may have intended, how your ex felt.

Jesus Christ, that therapist needs to review the chapter on maintaining healthy boundaries.

" Don't let the fox guard the henhouse " The art of becoming a parental figure for a new human being, is exactly learning from that being. Their primal needs, wants, desires ect. In my opinion, parent can only fail in the art, when they decide they are not good enough to learn it. A therapist should not know the family, and especially not on a personal level. The next therapist should not have a deep history with another therapist that treat's/treated the same client. In my opinion. Case too close. Natalie.. You have the power within you to bring her back home, where she belongs. Believe in the me, that believes in you. Believe in yourself.

I’m just now listening but Jesus fucking Christ, Natalie was absolutely railroaded and manipulated by everyone around her. I can’t even write my full opinion yet bc I’m still in shock lol. I’ll come back later.

The first one is so upsetting

Yep. NO SHOT this is a licensing therapist. As soon as I heard my “friends talked to my therapist about it” it was fucking looney. Patient confidentiality and all, conflicts of interest (BIGTIMEEEE). If she is then throw her license out. Just read another comment saying it was a religious counsellor or something like that and that makes sense but even then that’s fucked and thinking about it if this story is real, the court proceedings would have kicked her license to the fucking moon, so that’s confirms the first part but if anything like that happened in my country then she’d be out and never be able to legally be a therapist once their license is revoked, the other new therapist would face some sort of backlash too possibly also losing their license. I feel like she was coerced into making this decision by either the therapist or someone else plus the therapist (maybe someone persuaded her that she isn’t a proper parental figure). But everyone always thinks the worse, maybe theyre all supportive and this was positive but idk. Okay I’m pretty sure coercion is what it is after hearing how she feels she wishes sometimes she fought for her daughter. That’s my guess.

As a father, id be traumatised, any competent therapist would consider the emotional consequences of separating a mother from her baby. And consider now the fact that Natalie's constitution as a mother is based on her own mother's values which implied that meritocracy was somehow applicable to one's ability to rase one's own children when the truth is you learn and grow with your child. Love truly is everything you need and once you accept your role it will start transforming you, in a way it will actualize your potential, dimonds are formed under pressure. There is no doubt that injustice is being carried out, that c**t of a therapist should never dangle a baby infront of her mother, every photo will show the beautiful splendour of exploration and growth, emotional damage via Snapchat and once every few days.😡😠🤬😡

Lyle was honestly great at explaining to the second caller why what they were doing was the wrong way to do IRL weirdness. Such a constructive conversation, he sounded so fatherly

Don't let your therapist manipulate you, they should not be 'parental figures'

I grew up in the mormon church and am currently working my way out rn, so I apologize if I project onto Natalie's situation at all. the mormon "church" has a very consistent emphasis on their "ideal" family structure (mom, dad married in mormon temple with kids), and from my point of view, that drilled in mindset doesn't leave easily. Those thoughts, that conditioning could absolutely play a role in Natalie's feelings of inadequacy. The mindset really doesn't leave easily, it takes years of processing and is completely healthy. I assume no ill intent on the therapist's part, though this entire situation is extremely suspect, especially if the old therapist is in contact with her family (mayhaps b/c they go to the same church, the church does in fact have counselors their members can go to for free I was almost pushed to go to one). All in all, I hope nothing but the best for all of them, and I'm completely sure Natalie will make the right call with a good support system.

@mythios23

Жыл бұрын

And also the belief that you should only have children in wedlock probably played a role in it too. She said that she got pregnant from her ex-boyfriend.

It sounds like the wannabe pranksters wish to emulate the fun they see online, and haven't realized they are too mature to actually enjoy being personally involved. The whole thing seems very confusing. Maybe buy something to do while your in the Walmart 😂.

Dude those are some fucking unethical dual relationships for sure.

I'm not a therapist but I think this young lady was manipulated a little bit by the therapists. It just seems really fishy. And the fact that she had to fire the therapist and then gets a therapist that's peer...is kind of weird to me. But again, I'm not a therapist. I just play one when role playing with my wife. 🧐 P.S. Let me say also that I'm not judging her in any way. Having children is hard. Especially when you are young and dont have the financial resources, you need. I was a dad at 19 and it was no cakewalk. Later i was a single dad and it was very challenging as well. I wish her the best.

I think that girl was taken advantage of ina time of need. Someone she trusted and she looked towards for guidance. Used that power to gain something for her ( therapist). Was putting the Kid up for adoption a good idea ? IdK . But that therapist situation is weird man. She needs to be reviewed by what ever agency can do that.

So much respect for that first caller. being 22 and able to make that selfless decision is so admirable.

@travb120

4 ай бұрын

She got exploited in 10 years she going to be mentally fucked...sounds like she already is

"You know your baby best, don't let other people take care of her" *takes baby*

I think you are navigating giving out advice quite well.

A therapist should NOT have a personal relationship with your family. Unless they are your guardians/conservators, your therapist should not be communicating with them and in no circumstance should she be "friends" with them. The only discussions they should having should be about your treatment options in the event that you live under their roof. It is incredibly unethical for her to adopt your child when she is an appointed influence on your decision-making. I understand that due to your closeness to this women and her apparent stability she seems like a good candidate but it sounds like your parents and therapist abused their power and conspired against you. It might have been for "the right reasons" but it seems like you were coerced. You have to pick one, fight 100% or not at all because if you half ass it then you might piss people off and have your visitation rights revoked

This is amazing, I love it

The cowboy does not to need to appreciate that experience, he thought he struck gold but when he got to the town the bank told him it was just a yellow rock. Its better to be a lonesome cowboy than a fool.

“My parents are pretty close friends with my therapist”…..um. Huge red flag right off the bat. This shouldn’t be the case. Your therapist shouldn’t have a close relationship with anyone who you have a close personal relationship with.

If the ‘cheating boyfriend’ can’t see why she’s concerned, empathize with her, and do everything he can to make her feel secure… he’s no good. She said he can be mean, it hasn’t even been 1 year of dating. So many red flags 🚩 🚩🚩🚩

I’m sorry, but as someone going to school currently to be an LPC, I knew something was wrong the moment she said her PARENTS were FRIENDS with her therapist. The moment that breaks a relationship more than business/professional, you recommend them to someone else. Your therapist was 100% in the wrong the moment they started seeing you.

"TALK TO A REAL GECKO" lol

Good episode Lyle. Just wanted to say be careful asking people what they talk about with their therapist. Could be sketchy legal issues there. Just looking out for ya buddy love the show!

@travb120

4 ай бұрын

They can always decline to answer..the therapist can't talk about it with hippa laws but the patient can if they want to

Second guy helped a lot I been breaking social barriers to get strong, build some data

Good morning people of the intergeck. Have a gecked day

The only thing more upsetting than looking for the answers, is finding them.

Girl with the shitty boyfriend - GET OUT NOW! If he is overreacting to things like this, treating you nice and when things get bad they get REALLY bad - fucking RUN. Even if it doesn't escalate into abuse (which it very well could, especially if you feel like you're gaslighting yourself about anything) this is a toxic person you should not waste your time with! Natalie - you're smart, kind, and sounds like you wanted to do the right thing for your baby, and that is so commendable. But you have been exploited and taken advantage of, get a licensed therapist that doesn't know anyone in this situation and go from there. I don't want you to lose contact with your baby, but you absolutely have been violated

The answers are infront of us

Imagine finding out ur "mom" stole u from your birth mother. I'd be horrified.

Is the therapist also mormon? If so this comes across extremely disturbing. The non-Mormon young woman convinced to give her daughter up to her therapist whos also a friend of her Mormon parents.

HITTING THE PENJINTON ON MY BLINKERTON CITY SON FULCRUM REPRESENT

This woman is being hopelessly exploited

Keep the sneeze. People should have hear. 😂

“Mental issues and probable addiction problems….I want it!” The therapist

geck go br

The girl in the relationship is just all around a red flag and should leave before she hurts herself in that relationship other than that great episode geck ❤️🦎

@sheridan7475

Жыл бұрын

you mean the guy is a red flag?

It’s the therapist that didn’t like this show

Plot twist, her therapist is a gecko too

The second guys that call are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dumb they scared of public speaking and being awkward in front of cameras and can’t even say that 😭😭💀

That therapist of the first caller is unproffessional as hell to even take her as a client. A family friend has a definate bias, and one of the most important rules of abnormal psych work is to not work under those conditions. Thats fucking sick, take her degree.

@MadTurt

Жыл бұрын

And her current therapist to say "Be thankful its her" Has a major bias aswell knowing the therapist with the child. This is all so fucked up. This poor woman need a professional and shes not getting one.

Thats literally sick

Can we leave the arm chair therapy to the gecko please?

Girl get away from your boyfriend. Coming from a grown man who was a dog in his young years... Get tf away from him.

Nice

Does he stream on KZread?

Yo

38:56

Algo comment brotha

They stole her kid bro

Ugh. First caller. Quit. Tip. Toe. Ing. Around your responsibilities. Accept them and move on. Fudge everything that doesn't make the thang rock.

@jaredknapp8886

Жыл бұрын

Not saying I know what it's like but there are windows through your story.

@timgehrsitz3267

Жыл бұрын

"Fudge everything that doesn't make the thang rock" is my new motto, thank you. Some of the wisest words I've ever heard

Also, are these girls dumb? Just because the baby daddy doesn't want to be involved, she can still get child support. I know a girl that's the same way she doesn't get child support from either of her baby daddies and she lives in squalor. This is one of the most terrifying situations I've heard in a long time and I don't think she was making decisions for her child. She's making the decisions that she thought she was supposed to because that's what they told her

@Rambo2point0

Жыл бұрын

she was manipulated i agree

Does it cost to call him

If you cant prank on your own its not fo you

This is sad and a mess.

I was reflecting in this call, and realized it would not be good for the young lady to tie up and drag her kid into court battles and all kinds of messy shit that serves no purpose but to be petty and stress tf outta the child... All for her to be overwhelmed and not be completely there for the baby. I feel bad for her, her inner circle basically projected all their own insecurities onto her situation when she knew from the start it was best for the baby 😮‍💨 I think it's just hard to accept, and poor girl was misinformed every step of the way. I think everyone needs to realize she did not expect to have a baby so early on in life, the baby daddy is likely uninvolved and ultimately the most difficult but beneficial thing is for the Therapist to raise the child.

@flask223

Ай бұрын

No she needs to get her baby out of that cult

the amount of drugs this man takes to talk to people and give the the reaction that they need to amazing

@sheridan7475

Жыл бұрын

people can be chill without drugs

I bet he’s stoned

It makes me very sad that their friends didn’t support their decisions. Children need a lot, and you can love a child with every fiber of your being and still not be able to give them everything they need. It’s good that she has visitation with the kid, but the therapist is able to give them a great healthy and stable environment. Along WITH the mother. People are far too judgmental towards things they don’t know much about at all. Whatever works for THIS PERSON and child is what is best, they even stopped working together for it to be as healthy as possible. There’s nothing wrong with it.

@MyNamesNotCraig2

Жыл бұрын

If she still visits her and keeps a good open relationship w the kid once it turns 18 it won’t even really matter like it’ll be okay

@7dakzar

Жыл бұрын

Were you talking about yourself when you said “People are far too judgmental towards towards things they don’t know much about at all”?

@MyNamesNotCraig2

Жыл бұрын

@@7dakzar lmaoooo weak try harder

Anyone that says “baby daddy”has no business with a child.