Man those first two games really show the GM/IM gap. Rosen's 20 years younger, better prepped, and gets great positions out of the opening but Ben puts up a super resilient defense and outplays him in the endgame

@kupopuffs420

5 ай бұрын

im p sure Eric is 100 years older but drinks from the fountain of youth

@jacobstewart9139

3 ай бұрын

Eric really does give off the old wizard vibes. If we could slap a beard and robe on him, he'd be perfect for hogwarts

Sometimes it's easy to forget that Ben is actually good at chess.

@MyBiPolarBearMax

5 ай бұрын

Especially Considering he only plays with 63 squares. (Never play f3)

@vlad-ji1lz

5 ай бұрын

​@@MyBiPolarBearMax62 (and f6)

@skerrkro2952

5 ай бұрын

lmaoo@@MyBiPolarBearMax

@jonathonjubb6626

5 ай бұрын

Not many idiots become Grandmaster!

@zacharysherry2910

5 ай бұрын

I don't know... He does have that Magnus level smugness lol

“He’s just responded with, the truth hurts” 😂 classic Ben finegold line

I watched Ben's KZread after the games. I'm amazed that these positions can be repeated and analyzed so deeply. In the second game, Eric is saying "he'd looked at this positon before" after 16 moves. I'm lucky to remember first five moves of an opening.

@TomahawkCreekMiddleSchool

5 ай бұрын

Ben Finegold has a great channel, I am baffled that he does not have more subs

Ben has more experience playing losing positions than most grandmasters. He almost never plays for an opening advantage, but for complications. And he never resigns, because he can win dead lost positions.

that first game was brutal

@ahha2523

5 ай бұрын

Eric in winning positions where he just needs to give up the attack and trade down are absolutely brutal to watch.

@nikiyen6

5 ай бұрын

"I'm spoiled for choice" and spending 30 sec per move

@vigilante8374

5 ай бұрын

@@ahha2523 That's arguably damned risky to try vs. Finegold when you're at a time disadvantage though. His endgame technique is significantly better than his raw calculation power (which isn't uncommon amongst older grandmasters), and he has many endgame swindles.

@ahha2523

4 ай бұрын

@@vigilante8374 yeah that’s fair, but it’s still objectively correct play to convert the position into a winning endgame. Eric doesn’t just struggle with this again Ben, it’s a general problem of his. But hey, I’m just a lowly 1600

This Finegold guy seems to be pretty good at this game. I bet he'll go far.

@walterbraun3731

5 ай бұрын

Go far? Well, when you are in your late teens/early twenties. But Ben is 54. At that age you go nowhere in chess but down...

@nimzomitch

5 ай бұрын

Whoosh

@mikebaker2436

5 ай бұрын

Someone told me over the board at a tournament that Ben was getting to old for chess, but then a moderator came over and said, "No talking."

I was waiting for this before I will watch it from Ben's perspective. Thank you!

First two games devastated me too much. dare i watch on...

In the first two games you played better and you should’ve won both. At winning positions (+5 eval) you kept losing time when your first thought move was the best, but you weren’t confident and maybe intimidated by the opponent.

Ben Finegold is a superb endgame player. It's his greatest strength, for sure.

I would’ve never thought I would’ve seen this collab come, I hear about you talk about Ben Finegold all the time in your videos and only watched some of Bens videos, so to see you guys play chess and analyze it is so cool ‼️ glad you got to play him and I’m looking forward to the rest of the video

@lomiification

5 ай бұрын

If you look at the real old content for both, you can find both teaching kids at the St Louis chess club in the same style

@vigilante8374

4 ай бұрын

You should watch the charity stream they did together for Ukraine back in 2022. They played hand and brain vs. viewers and it was hilarious.

Was painful to watch Eric get injured in the end games. It is relatable tho.

@MyBiPolarBearMax

5 ай бұрын

Oof, im halfway through the first game recap and I can’t believe he lost. Endgames, yeesh

Said this before but it seems like Eric’s biggest enemy at the minute is his time management. First game got squeezed for time and I’ve seen it a lot in his TT matches.

@MyBiPolarBearMax

5 ай бұрын

I may disagree - depending on how you view my point. I think the issue id that Eric has great strengths in the opening/middlegame (when there are lots of pieces on the board and chances for tactical vision). He had advantages in every game (even the old game he recapped) and it hurt to watch him lose them. The problem is that his accuracy drops when pieces come off the board in converting and thats the only stage of the game where he still looks like an IM instead of a GM. More time would help with deep calculations of every move but the issue isnt the *time itself* per se, but practicing thinking through end games so that his intuition of the proper moves comes more rapidly. It makes a lot of sense seeing as how younger kids win games early and only level out when they meet their matches and have to work on an aspect of their game (true of any sport). Lots of late game calculations and deep prep and practice against high level opponents would up his late game and he’d reach GM status. You can see its been improving with his better play lately (i think he’ll hit an all time high in rating if he keep playing OTB this year) but basically learning how to convert a +1 or +1.5 position against a GM that is going to fight every second and continuously make the best move is what he needs. As soon as that happens regularly, he’ll be a GM. It seems backwards to be able to calculate better with more pieces but in a lot of ways theres more wiggle room. Playing for mild advantages and “leaning on” your opponent will get him to that next level.

@vigilante8374

5 ай бұрын

@@MyBiPolarBearMax I more or less agree with everything you said but want to add that endgame is about a lot more than "calculation", which is why the term "technique" is used so often regarding the endgame. It's about long term plans and intuition, but also knowing a ton of specific patterns and rules by heart.

@BillsYouTube1960

5 ай бұрын

Overthinking?

@nazarenoalmiron526

4 ай бұрын

@@vigilante8374 Knowing specific patterns by heart is exactly what intuition is.

@vigilante8374

4 ай бұрын

@@nazarenoalmiron526 No. If you know that the current position is or will lead to e.g. the Lucena position or the Philidor position then you know for 100% certain what the outcome will be if both players play correctly. "Intuition" specifically refers to situations with a lack of certainty, a lack of specificity.

I watched this from Ben's perspective. Nice to see it from Eric's side

@jacobcaughey5369

5 ай бұрын

When

@nimzomitch

5 ай бұрын

​@@jacobcaughey5369Ben uploaded the match right away, or maybe ramonsims5065 watched Bens stream on twitch

Go Ben!

@zacharysherry2910

4 ай бұрын

But stay here!

This reminds me Ben is a GM. Go ben!

very nice games

Many years ago when i first saw ben on youtube i just though he was kind of an ass. But he really grew on me. Hes a funny guy once you understand how his humor works

"I'm trying to find a plan..." I thought that was just me. 😄

1:37:43 how do you intend to not capture rook first ? :D Thanks for the great games!

5:50 "what ever this is" we know what you where doing there...

Yay!!

7:24 Tetris pawn structure

I think Rosen should work on his cardio fitness and his end games. I love this match up! Keep trying to beat Ben! 🎉

55:00 Qh5, Qh6 was missed. Black has to sacrifice the queen to avoid getting mated immediately.

Hmm, I wonder who GM Finegold was referring to when he mentioned breaking the keyboard and mouse? (Hint-rhymes with Nans Hiemann.)

What was the best move at 1:26:49 after Kg7?

@thomas6837

3 ай бұрын

It's Ne5, according to Stockfish 16. White nearly +5 (depth 40).

Position in the OTB vs Ben. If Rf1 and Qxe3 then Qc7+ is a forced draw, not a trap from which black wins with QxQ on e3

20:12 Rf1 for white is not losing... if Qxe3 then Qd7+ Kg8 Rxf8+ Kxf8 Qd8+ and draw by perpetual check.

What was the name of the guy again?

"my pawn whatever this is" ... Eric PG stream wins

“Cause even Ben can win with an extra rook” savage 💯

Oh man my puzzle storm record is 35 and I'm at my pick (1700) it's so depressing that you have beat my record under a minute with so easy :(

21:00 "Even at Ben's age" He was only in his mid-40s in 2016, ffs. It's not like he's running for president or something.

F5 is a possibility!?!

Qatar hero :)

Count Finegold vs Sir Rosen

@beeble2003

3 ай бұрын

Sir Eric -- "Sir" goes with the first name, not the surname.

@Eddietaps19

2 ай бұрын

@@beeble2003 it has a better ring to it

@beeble2003

2 ай бұрын

@@Eddietaps19Fair point.

So, you want to tell me, that Ben is still steonger than you?! Clearly stronger!

24:33 even Ben can win with an extra rook😅

Rosen: You fought well Finegold: Yeah I do that HAHAHAHA

03.03.03

Ben

the digital counter is profoundly distracting and annoying. Should be analog.

@whitejohhnmjerkins

3 ай бұрын

I didn't even notice it until I read your comment 😂

No me acepta te lo juro

I like how drama-free Eric Rosen is and how while Ben isn't fully above all the drama, he's usually calling out the folks who start drama and defending the folks that don't. While Ben has insult comic style humor without generally meaning real offense, Eric has this slight playful mischievous sense of humor. Different enough, but definitely both flavors of chess player that I enjoy.

first

Never play f3

first game: attacking 4 pieces with 3 pieces..where is the logic in that? took WAY too long to get the f1 rook into the game. Glad to see a player as good as Eric make beginner level mistakes

Eric was hot a few weeks ago. Would have been dif then

@nimzomitch

5 ай бұрын

In an IM vs GM match, this was the expected result

Ben was the strongest IM in the world for decades and then he wasn't.