Chad isn't just the engineer, he's one of the 2 brothers (+Brad Richardson) who created and runs / own MVP

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

lol If I wasn't a fraud reporter I would've known this... 😂

I think MVP responding here makes perfect sense and isn't crazy at all. Let's be real. MVP is selling these cheap discs to recover what would otherwise be lost costs. Generating a bunch of online conversation and giving some small group of people a way to figure out which cheap moulds to buy to match discs they know they like just means reducing storage times in the warehouse. Smart business all around. Great creative solution to reduce inefficiencies and allow them to do more with their resources. You love to see it!

@mmdoof

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think this is good practice especially for the beginners who look for cheap discs to try out. Instead of getting a Swedish baseline plastic disc that gets destroyed in a month or a Chinese disc that can't handle a gentle breeze, they can buy an actual premium disc for the price of a throwaway beginner disc. Although a little bit of marketing would make it work out even better.

After learning all this, MVP is even more my favorite disc golf company. Great folks, great transparency, great sponsor, great discs!

I've never learned more about frisbees than while watching this video.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

anything for you, Brod!

@dtierdiscgolf

Жыл бұрын

When are you guys finally gonna play each other for a vid?

I have the feeling that the demand for Remix discs will go up as a result of these videos

@calebdyer6332

Жыл бұрын

That’s why mvp is giving this information out

@cup_and_cone

Жыл бұрын

It's possible $12 will become $16, but also maybe not... The purpose of these discs is to clear out their materials and make use of assets (molds) they've invested in. From a business perspective they're probably interested in getting this product sold.

@BryceRogers_

Жыл бұрын

@@cup_and_cone this!! And I sure hope they stay low.... I got 4 of their molds in, and they fly like money. Basically brand new streamline and TSA plastic

@hiddenleaf414

Жыл бұрын

@@cup_and_cone Does the plastic go bad after awhile? I have a hard time believing MVP needs to move material when they have MVP/Axiom/Streamline and also TSA and Mint. They just made like 500k worth of discs for Mint last year.

@Honda_Drew

Жыл бұрын

Well damn.. tell me why I wanna buy every mold now of remix disc when I don’t even need them at all? 😂I’m just a mvp die hard. That price point is… on point for remix disc

This is what AI (Bard) had to say, so you can take it with a grain of salt: Chad Richardson's nickname, VoDR, is a portmanteau of his initials, V.O.D.R., which stands for "Very Original Discs Research". This was the name of the company that Chad and his brother, Steve, started in 2005 before it was eventually renamed MVP Disc Sports. Chad is a co-founder of MVP Disc Sports along with his brother. Chad is the engineer for all MVP products, including and especially the beloved GYRO Overmold. He is also a very active member of the disc golf community and is always willing to help out new players.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Super cool insight! Thanks for sharing Dave!

@RustySeatbelt

Жыл бұрын

AI is OP. Thanks Bard!🤖

@TheTiredWanderer

Жыл бұрын

Chad, if you're out there, release the GYRO-X Beam!

Nice knowing you, hopefully you don't disappear after putting this all out there.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

It was fun while it lasted 🫡

I suggest you get a white board behind you and draw this family tree up for us visual learners 😂

MVP is one of the most transparent companies I have ever seen. Love it!

This happens a lot in all industries, and makes total sense for disc golf to do the same. It’s good info though, I needed a few new inexpensive discs for the bag😂

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Totally! Def not a bad thing just super interesting

This was legitimately FASCINATING. I’m gonna have to watch again to make sure I caught all that info lol.

I'm a "MVP" only thrower. I've had some TSA discs that I've thrown for fun but recently picked up a Mint Freetail because I noticed the Sublime plastic was Plasma, which is my favorite. I fell in love with that disc and slowly picked up every TSA Ethereal or Mint Sublime disc I could and replaced the MVP/Axiom/Streamline equivalent I had in the bag. I knew the plastic was the same but never knew why. I've been frustrated trying to get some of those Ethereal or Sublime discs that are out of stock. Now, thanks to your video, I can sleep knowing I did everything I could.

Streamline Discs do have the embossing on the wing. Only 3 logos, since they don't include the Gyro logo on those.

This is a great video for sure! Only thing I'll say is the torpedo I have is DEFINITELY thinner than the pathfinder. Not sure if I got one different but it is noticably thinner. But I do notice that yeesh you got it right with which molds are matching to other molds at least feel wise. I didn't know the ronin was an apex though so that's good to know! Thanks!

Picked up the Ronin, Spartan, Battleship and Torpedo. My only regret is that I didn’t grab a glow battleship when they still had them.

So interesting! Thank you for sharing and explaining this!

This feels illegal to watch 😂😂 this is a DEEP level understanding of how marketing works.

That Foundation question was me... Thanks for the video, super interesting! Love MVP so all of this is so intriguing.

If you like the praxis grab the eldritch they are identical as well. Very different blends than what I’m used to with the mvp family. Some truly great discs on molds that are well proven.

The cool thing is people can buy a disc to fill a slot if they miss a disc, or they want a specific disc, can't find it anywhere, they can get the same essential disc from another brand. Or in this case with Remix, a cheaper version of the same disc.

Thank you so much for the misprint hex! I it is one of my most special discs forever now. Up there with my tilt and inner core.

Dude thanks for the need out session!!! So interesting! I have a buddy I just got into disc golf and I told him to pick these up cuz theybare great flyers and at such a great price! I wish when I started I knew about this!!! Then I wouldn't have a giant rack filled with 20 - 25 dollars discs haha keep up the great work man

“And we would have gotten away with it too…If it wasn’t for you and your pesky following” really cool they replied. Glad that so many brands are out there growing because of great companies like mvp. I wonder if LSD has anything like that going on 🤔. Off to find mint discs in plastics I don’t have. Also eternal alphas BEFORE eternal alphas. Crazy

That was pretty cool, thanks for the little bit of insider info.

I need a chart to correlate all the Remix molds to other brand molds

I remember Chad’s enthusiasm on DGR when he fell in love with the game. Hyzer flipping DX Teebirds! I believe the revelation of Wizards having a thinner top with a more dense rim lead us to where we are today with MVP. Great video Bodanza!

@JacobPorterLadder

Жыл бұрын

That and their family I believe already had an overnold company for a different industry and thought of bringing that to disc golf

@jonsidell3338

Жыл бұрын

@@JacobPorterLadder It was a perfect storm. The family did indeed own an injection molding facility.

Excited to get my Remix Battleship aka Mint Bobcat in a few days

What a great two part series! You an MVP ;)

Based on your first video, I ran to Amazon and looked at Remix. I got an Eldritch because I'm a fan of the Bullet. Also, the picture under the disc reviews was in Mint's Eternal plastic(proton?). What I got was a disc in Mint's Sublime(Plasma). I was excited because the don't make Bullets in Sublime. I threw it next to a Mason Ford Apex Bullet. Flies the same. Now, I live in Central Texas and will support Mint as my local company. That said, I know I have a cheaper option for, say, water hazards as an example. Plus, it's a little fun to get a mystery "sport" plastic. Again, Mint doesn't make a Sublime Bullet, but now I sort of have one 😂

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

totally! This makes a ton of sense! Super interesting! this was also cool to confirm that the sport is a random premium plastic!

@Acryllixx

Жыл бұрын

There are two runs of sublime bullets. The bullet girl stamp and the Ninja slice and dice stamp.

@scootermustang7683

Жыл бұрын

@Travis Harris cool beans! Did the first run feel a little soft? This feels softer than the couple other Sublime discs I have. Feels nice.

This is really interesting. I hope we can get someday a proper deep dive into this topic with confirmed information. Would be especially interested to hear how the companies leasing MVP's molds respond. In the mean time, as I do not like this trend at all, I shall only purchase discs from companies that have their own machines. Just to be on the safe side. Funny how it's the exact same thing with whiskey. So many small whiskey companies getting their alcohol from the same massive distilleries, slapping a new label on the product and coming up with a silly story for their brand. It's all so... cheap.

Yo that’s kinda wild. I really appreciate this video ❤

The spartan and trace i have are drastically different. The wing shape is similar but the spartan is 1cm thinner rim and significantly lower wing height. I could hyzer flip lazer beam the spartan back when my max power was only like 300ft.

Thank you for this info!

Really interesting topic here. On a side note, regular disc mold are actually three parts. If you look you can see there is one parting line on the outside edge, but also one on the bottom where the wing ends. So there is a top, wing underside and an 'inside' of the discs.

@chucksherron

Жыл бұрын

That is the "core" Chad was referring to.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Interesting Magnus! I didn't know but I guess makes sense! And I don't think it's the core, like Chuck says, the Core that Chad was referring to I'm 99% sure is the blank of the disc they get before putting on the overmold, because MVP doesn' thave a parting line, just wing height

Thankyou for the info

Thank you again for the shout-outs. The boys and I are hyped once again😂

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

For sure!

The .1cm variance on PDGA is likely a combination of human error in measuring and variance between different runs and submitted plastics. Wild to put this "debate" closer to rest.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

that's what I was thinking too!

This is a really good video. Does mint discs have any putters that share a mold with the praxis?

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

I think the bullet?!?

@ryanglasshagel5886

Жыл бұрын

The eldritch is a praxis. They are money. Same as mint bullet and jester love.

I wonder if there's a comprehensive list anywhere that says which discs across different brands share molds

i jumped on the Envy bandwagon since James Conrad's Holy shot and recently built a full MVP bag after Simon's switch, and im having lots of fun with it! great info and very cool how they responded like that, funny that he had to make an account just to respond lol im guessing he wasnt actually trying to hide who he was, considering you have a good following and someone was gonna figure it out eventually. luckily it was someone who's got status in the company coz if this were some new employee or something, im sure theyd be fired hahaha prolly ur most informative video yet lol Thanks Chad!

Very cool, had no idea

I feel vindicated :) Cool info!

This also gives some answers to one of my long-time questions: Why Innova has sister brands like Hyzerbomb that never have discs in stock 😁 I used to throw Hyzerbomb and Millennium for a while but had to give up after waiting for restocks that never came. Discmania was about to become another one of these surplus outlets, so they had to start producing their own...

@caseysmith544

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Discmania was going to be the next surplus outlet, as they were more a side brand Innova sold Disc Though, The Way Millenium was in the 2000's to very early 2010's before they became an outlet for extra plastic. I do think that Millenium once Dave dies will be moved into the Innova lineup as more the Innova Millenium line since the current owner of Millenium is next in line to be owner of Innova that is the person who used to be the second for Innova until the owner of Millenium founded Prodigy before starting the venture to mainly make molds for other companies only, a venture that has yet to work as too many already are working with other brands that have discs made by other companies. I think that they only have one brand that is being made by the company.

If anyone knows what other discs are the same mold as the mint grackle I’d love to know.

I need a spreadsheet of what MVP disc is what Amazon disc

Hype. I've owned a remix basket for two years. Left it out in the rain twice and some of the chain links are already rusty. Believe what you want

I have a remix practice basket. Its just a blue mvp black hole. Cost $50 less.

Appreciate your work! Keep Yeet’n!

This is a great video and a great comment that was dropped.

I'm sure they are doing this to compete with the discmania active line

I’m so hyped to watch this after school. I’m an mvp plastic fanboy

Any ideas of what behemoth is?

Good work detective.

Does Remix have the equivalent of the Deflector? Cuz if they have those for $10-12. I’ll buy 10 lol

But is the glow plastic the same as eclipse plastic?

That IS nuts. Ha! And on Canadian Amazon they're not cheap. They're around $50. Which is expensive compared to what I normally pay for a mid to premium disc ($20-$30). The most I've spent on a single disc is $40. So I will not be checking these out. Lol.

NGL kinda wanna grab some of them just from price lol

Though space not what I thought Lol Quote of the day

Bodanza Disc Mfg incoming

Just bought a 6 pack of sport torpedoes. W.

So to summarize: yes. It's good business to minimize waste and maximize margin while allowing us to be responsive to demand without just undercutting ourselves because these are slightly different than the flagship disc you pay the premium for.

Don’t really throw mvp, but I love the transparency

@playdiscgolf1546

Жыл бұрын

I’ve always been mostly Innova, but over the last couple years a few mvp discs have made it into my bag. They are cash!

You should take these out in a field and just whip em to show flight paths in comparison.

Cool video, but I nearly needed to reduce it to half speed lol. A little too much nose candy for breakfast?

This is crazy

Can you pin the full list of copy molds? Aka Pathfinder, Mustang, … = Torpedo; Bullet = Eldrich…etc?

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

If someone comments it I will, I'm not 100% confident in it

It’s funny that I came across this video while debating whether to buy a mustang or pathfinder lol

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

hahahah, well this def didn't make the choice easier!!!

Sorry, but needed to point it out that it’s called emboss(raised) or deboss(recessed) not concave or convex. My designer brain couldn’t leave it alone.

After your vid I came across a r/discgolf post that had a table with the Remix molds and their equivalents, but it appears that subreddit has been deactivated 😢

Ok, so both Innova and Remix (MVP) have a disc called the Juggernaut?

Crazy

this is so chaotic and hyper that it's making me out of breath on your behalf.

At first I was a little shocked but really it’s as controversial as selling misprinted stamps at a cheaper price.

I have a remix battleship what is that a mold of?

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

I think the bobcat

@m4sl_academy

Жыл бұрын

@@BodanzaDiscGolf thank you!!

🤯

Behemoth is a 12, 4.5, -1, 3 disc. MVP makes 12 speed discs confirmed

@mmdoof

Жыл бұрын

What's the rim width on that? Just calling it a twelve speed doesn't really mean much on its own.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

haha it's def just a synapse/goat

Nerve plastic isnt mvp made

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Good to know haha! Speculation DEBUNKED!

Praxis -> Bullet -> Juggernaut

It is so funny. Looking at Amazon in Germany, Remix Discs are pricey at 21 to 30€. This then is a clear rip off at German Amazon Customers. In Addition I would love to discuss too on naming of discs. Living in Europe literally close to a lasting aggression war, I have stopped to buy any disc that uses weapon names like Torpedo Battleship or Nuke.

You're super hype.

I don't think that's actually Chad, idk why he'd ask for that video idea. Feels like it would be at their detriment

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

def would not. If he's saying they're selling on amazon with similar profits to the other companies, would only be to their benefit

100% not Chad or Brad posting that. Lot of the terminology is wrong for what they would use, and some of the info in there is just outright wrong and counter to what Brad/Chad has publicly said about such things as the shock/amp. They were not "discontinued cause mold compatibility." Come on... They would have had to make 100% new discs if that was the case. They had to re-tool everything they had, period, full stop. None of the previous molds were compatible. So any low selling molds were discontinued. The shock was a correction mold for the Volt. And... Oh my, after the re-tool the volt flew like a shock..... And the amp was a really poor seller. very niche following. Also, the account to comment that was created just a few days ago. As for the destroyer info though, that's correct, there are 2 destroyer molds. But only 1 is approved.

The essential discs kickstarter is funny. Says they’ve been spending 7 years formulating the plastic blends when in reality they are using what mvp makes. They are sure making it sound like they mold their own stuff.

@coinsinawishingwell

Жыл бұрын

I'm from the area that Essential Discs comes from. I truly believe that this is the case, and they have been in development for a long time. I occasionally bag an Essential Honey, and it sounds like Essential are working with MVP for fulfillment of these designs. FYI all my knowledge on this is second hand from a local disc retailer, thus my access to the Essential Honey. Just wanted to offer what I've heard from someone a little closer to the source!

@russellbanton8738

Жыл бұрын

@@coinsinawishingwell designs, sure. Plastic blends, nope. Everything they showed is just the normal blends mvp shares with mint, tsa, remix, wild, jester, etc.

@coinsinawishingwell

Жыл бұрын

Gotcha. I think it's a mix then, because the Honey putter has a much softer, grippier feel than anything I have used from MVP, Axiom, etc. However, the fact that Essential is going from producing one disc to several discs likely means they are using one of the MVP blends like you suggested in order to jumpstart their brand to actualize their vision.

I loved the ronin until I found out it wasn’t Pdga approved 😢

@garyf5053

Жыл бұрын

They were all recently PDGA approved. That's partially what restarted this whole convo!

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

^^

Holy crap you talk super fast

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

yeah, esp when there aren't throws between sentences to temper it ;)

You are flagged! Nah, you're just on to something. Don't worry about MVP, they are a stand up company. You won't be dragged to de-monitization.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

they wouldn't even have a case anyway lolol But yeah I agree

So if your into dying discs... Good way to save some money if you don't care about aesthetics. Now where do I get my cheap Discraft molds...

@Fjvillah

Жыл бұрын

DGA

Great video… breathe…😅

Well if you go missing or your body is found in a ditch... we now know what happened to you. Stay safe!

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hope it doesn't come to that ;)

slow down. I know you're excited and want each second to have information but man you were you talking really fast and didn't give me any time to process anything you were saying. otherwise good video

@chrischambers4379

Жыл бұрын

you can change the speed of the video on youtube

@playdiscgolf1546

Жыл бұрын

.75x lol

0.1cm? Really? Ever heard of millimeters? The beauty of the metric system just flashed by, and you missed it completely, but that's what happens when your main measuring system is on drugs. (I know you're not when one who wrote it, so I'm not suggesting to kill the messenger, but still ;) )

This is just a 15 minute advertisement for Disc Remix. Not content

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

lol

Anthony in this episode: media.tenor.com/4LvAD8hD5tcAAAAM/charlie-day.gif