Simon Lizotte sent me here. He was correct. This is an amazing and thorough video.

@dcus55

Жыл бұрын

Simon sounded quite impressed, can’t wait to check out your videos.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

Was amazed to hear and see Simon giving me a shout out. Will be great to see him throwing MVP in 2023 and beyond.

Great video. Im here because Simon Lizotte said he watched your videos to learn about MVP

If you don't get a MVP sponsorship after this, I don't even know... Great video!

FINALLY!! Someone who actually talked about the true differences between the various plastics (Stiffness, flexibility, grip, etc.), along with their equivalent in other brands. THANK YOU!!

Automatic subscribe from a Simon fan looking to learn more about MVP. Can't wait to see you collab with him sometime over the next 10 years 😆

Simon didn´t lie. Your explanation of MVP tech and discs is brilliant!

Yupp Simon lizotte himself just gave you the big shout out for helping him learn about mvp discs. Check out the Nick and Matt show that Simon just got interviewed on. 👍

Switching half my bag to MVP as I just want something different from all the copy cat stuff. This was the most helpful video EVER

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

That's how I started and boom....

Every disc golfer should watch this video just for the science experiment. That was fascinating

Last year, I bought a Neutron Relay on a whim and I loved that disc so much that now I only throw MVP! It's my favorite disc ever and now I bag several. I'm excited to try MVP's other plastics--currently my lineup only includes Neutron, Fission and Proton. Thanks for the video from a fellow MVP fan!

Best video about Mvp´s plastic on KZread!!!

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great to hear feedback like that.

I used to play 3-4x a week back in the late 1990s but then stopped completely. Fast forward to a couple months ago and a brand new course opened up 1/2 mile from my house. I've been obsessed!! My favorite discs are the Axiom and I have 6 or 7 of them already. Just trying out a few different ones for now. Great video!!!

This has to be one of the more informative breakdowns of MVP plastics, that I have ever seen. Great video!! I became a fan of MVP back in 2014. The Neutron Shock was my first signed ace, which 1st sparked my interest. I'm a collector as well.

@lozo4745

2 жыл бұрын

Im kinda jelly, but congrats! my first investment with mvp (2012-2015?) was a red neutron shock! never hit a ace with it, but I still have it! basically is a roller now and faded to almost a orange color

I have a Piwakawaka in the glow plastic from RPM. It charges fast and very bright, but discharges quickly as well. Eclipse 2.0 is the best glow that I've used so far.

I am a marketing success story with MVP. I never thought to have tried the disc brand until James won worlds. The first one I bought was a proton axiom mayhem and I IMMEDIATELY fell in love with how the disc felt in my hand and the snap it had on release. Especially since I am forehand dominant off the tee. The Gyro technology really helps me dial in a shot and just feels so smooth almost like petting a puppy out of the hands. I don’t think I will use any other brands for drivers now. I’d try the other discs but my local disc golf store can’t keep envy’s in stock long enough. I wonder why that is lol

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

I had a Mayhem for a while and I loved it but then it became too flippy and unreliable.

@jacksonpalmer8955

2 жыл бұрын

Envies are AWESOME throwing putters, imo the best backhand throwing putter ever. If you have a smooth forehand, you can flick them, but they're too deep for a lot of people. I have to throw mine extra smooth, and it only goes 250' ish for me. I bought my first MVP disc because I liked James and was curious to see if his switch was a good move, and now I'm hooked too! Glad I got my envy before he won worlds!

Cheers to engineering! I'm a mechanical engineer. I was drawn to the overmolds because of the science behind it but actually ended up switching away a couple years later because of my inability to impart the greater snap that the discs require compared to a single mold disc. I'm glad that you mentioned that part because I feel like these discs aren't necessarily for everyone. People with a very short acceleration period (better snap) on their throw will have the most success with them. That being said, I think their drivers, being flat and enhanced by the gyro effects, are easily the best discs on the market for forehand throws because they are easy to grip and they fight off-axis torque really well.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

If only I could throw a decent forehand :-(

@patrickcarey6838

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscGolfDownUnder just hack a flex forehand with a Nitro. Easy peasy haha. It's a cheat code

@jacksonpalmer8955

2 жыл бұрын

Given that forehands suffer from far lower spin rates than backhands, there is a greater discrepancy between flippy and stable discs for forehand throwers, albeit very slight. I personally love my photons for flicks, and I'm very sad about losing my Nitro, what a disc it was. I agree that the lower profile makes them awesome feeling in the hand though. I absolutely love my new fireball and volt for forehands too! Also props to you for not being a failed engineer like me (material science) lol

@meister-t

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksonpalmer8955 not for everyone. for me, I'm getting more spin on the forehand

@meister-t

Жыл бұрын

I suspect that the denser outer rim will benefit more on discs that you want to just fly flat, like a driver you'd want to just go straight and far. And for correcting slight angle mistakes when you intended to throw flat. And that they may actually be an impediment to shot-shaping, where you want it to keep an angle. Gyrocospic effect will always have something tend to go back to horizontal (or vertical). So I wouldn't use this concept for every disc in my bag.

Don’t know how I missed this. Thanks man, keep up the great work!

This was unbelievably helpful! Thank You!

This was a great video! learned a lot - thanks

This is incredibly helpful and well put together, thank you!!

Nailed it! I like these types of videos.

Amazing vid, extremely relevant to where I'm currently at in my bag building. Thanks!

Very informative video. Really appreciate this kind of thing.

First one of your videos I have found and it was excellent information and excellently put together. Going to see what else you have made.

Great video! Thank you!

Thank you. That was very informative.

Excellent video!

Great rundown. This was really helpful! I bag the Crave and Volt and love both of them.

Awesome videos! Thank you for sharing, this was super helpful to me! I had just switched over and wanted to try MVP for the weight distribution. Thank you for explaining the science behind it and how it affects the game. Really appreciate the knowledge! Keep it up

Fantastic breakdown! Thanks from Colorado!

Thank you for all the details on MVP, Axiom & Streamline. I'm obsessed with these discs!

Amazing video!!!

Best explanation of this unique style disc I have seen. I got my first Envy Electron Firm in a used bin(still virtually new) and fell in love. Really like the shallow profile and wanted to know more about the dynamics. Really good example with the spinning tops!

I've got a Plasma Theory that's orange, but in the sunlight it shines like a copper plate. It's just gorgeous.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

There's some amazing plasma discs coming out lately. I think MVP are leading the way with new plastic combinations.

I'd love to see a glow comparison video. MVP, RPM, Kastaplast, and Gateway all have claimed they have the longest glow.

This is an awesome video!! Well put together snd very informative. You touched on everything I could think of!

@gavinplourde5933

2 жыл бұрын

What's the one disc that doesn't come in neutron

super informative thanks

Thanks for an informative video. Added four more Protons, a Crave, a Matrix, a Lift and a Drift. Love the in hand feel and durability. Cheers!

@DiscGolfDownUnder

11 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

This was super helpful! I always get so confused looking at their plastics. Have you made a video comparing the similar discs from each company?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Not yet, but looking at this for future disc reviews. People always want to know what's the closest comparison from X brand?

Great video! I’ve got 2 proton traces and 1 proton lift arriving any day now. Very eager to give them a try!

Hey bud Simon sent me, great video, just subbed!

@YogiTRiCK

Жыл бұрын

SamE

thanks for this video, just bought my first MVP disc, its an Axiom Hex, threw it this week two days. Love it, love it, love it. Flies like a dream. Effortless distance. I'm sold on it. I might switch to all MVP/Axiom discs.

Just bought my first MVP disc and Axiom, this video was very helpful. New subscription here

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Just fyi, Simon mentioned you in his recent interview - said you were helpful and that he's watched a bunch of your videos. He knows who you are!

I've become addicted to mvp, and you helped a bit

@maxmotors9497

2 жыл бұрын

Also my real name is Ben 😂

Thanks so much for this review! I was Just about to ask about plastic stability in your last vid. I like throwing plastic on the understable side as opposed to dropping a few grams. I've been bagging a plasma Envy for the past few years and it's my go--to approach putter. I found it interesting that it is compared to something like G-Star. I have found that discs in G-Star are a bit too floppy for my taste. I haven't found this with MVP and I'm guessing it's due to the overmold giving it some structure. Love your videos!

I found an Octane disc and it became my go to driver and now I want more MVP discs!

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

The Octane did it for me too. And now that I have a Fission Octane in my bag, it's my all time fave.

Thank you for the information! I’m actually a fan of the soft plasma and the eclipse 2.0!

I love wave,signal, and uplink I have them in all plastic types thanks for your info it’s going to help

Love to hear an engineer talk about MVP's technology. I see lots of folks with opinions about how the Gyro tech affects flight, but what about rollers? Would the Gyro technology make the discs more or less susceptible to rollaways?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting point. From an engineering point of view, a gyro disc with higher moment of inertia will resist initial rolling. But if it does get up to speed, it will want to keep rolling. So in the end it probably cancels out as some will stop earlier and others will roll for longer.

@aaroncutler6538

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscGolfDownUnder late reply here, great video. My go-to mids are the Axiom Paradox and Hex. They have similar flight patterns, but when they roll, they tend to keep going.

@darinladd5312

2 жыл бұрын

riddle this: does the high-density overmold, with lighter weight flight plate, cause a "hoop" effect that allows the disc to deform more than a standard disc when it hits the ground, reducing rollaways?

@treycorkin1861

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid

Good video 👍

Nice breakdown! I think you're the first Australian Disc golfer i've seen.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

There's a few thousand disc golfers in Oz. Not as many as the US or other countries but it is growing rapidly.

Great video. My favourite plastic is Eclipse 2.0. I have an Envy and a Reactor in that plastic. I cant wait for more molds to be availible in it. I live in Finland so it is very dark for half of the year so I play a lot of glow rounds. The only glow discs that are worth it are Kastaplast and MVP eclipse 2.0. In my opinion Eclipse 2.0 is a little better than Kasta glow.

I have moved from a Trilogy heavy bag to a bag thats about half MVP/half Lat64 (with a couple other utility discs) and I feel like my game has taken off this year. Insanity and Wave are now probably my 2 most thrown discs period. I have hit personal records on all my mainstay courses over the past 3 months or so. Digging it all so far.

Too late, I bought some discs a couple hours ago. Your videoes are useful.You and disc golf jedi made me buy MVP

Came here from Simon's podcast interview

An aussie aerospace engineer who plays disc. My American cool meter is busted. Also, all my streamline discs are tough a heck, easily outlast my other discs and still fly great

And this my friends is why physics kicks ass. PSA - I am a physicist and therefore very biased. :)

BIGGEST tip here, Axiom are usually variations of MVP discs, almost like a beat in version of the same mold (wrath is a beat in tesla / mayhem to octane / tenacity to catalyst / etc) im shocked you didnt say this in the video

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, you're right. It's one of those things that you know but never really think about it. Thanks for that.

Just ordered two "new" R2 Spin discs. Looking forward to embracing more unstable discs in my library.

I love the eclipse in the glo plastic I have 2 that I use as putters

MVP/Axiom have the best throwing putters, on the market, hands down . Only use Electron for putting.. You can grip and rip neutron putters all day. Sometimes I feel like I'm cheating, when driving with the Proxy, Atom, or Envy.. and the Entropy. RELIABLE.

Die hard proton fan here. I absolutely love axiom discs, my favorites being the crave and envy. I had an identical envy to the one James Conrad threw in at worlds, a year before he went to mvp. The insanity is a great driver for slower arm speeds as well.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

I love my Proton Crave.

@andrewsperry6450

2 жыл бұрын

Crave and envy are the best discs I’ve ever thrown. Proxy comes close too. And I threw an insanity today. Loved it. Super domey one, fit great in the hand. Good compliment to the tenacity

@Bre632

2 жыл бұрын

Any proton envys for sale?

I'm a huge Axiom fan-boi. Just cause of the naming culture. Who doesn't want to throw a tantrum? and the colours are sick.

I didn't think I'd be too into MVP, but then I held of the discs in store and nothing else felt better to me. I really liked how rounded the bottom of the rim is and how shallow and flat they are. I just feel like I can get a really good grip and release. It's gonna take a while to build a new bag and learn these new discs, but really loving them so far.

I'm privileged to own 2x NM 3rd run MVP IONs. The hard plastic feels amazing and they are dead straight. They have a unique textured bottom.

I love mvp discs. I have a 172g fission wave that I can throw over 500 feet. I don’t get that kind of distance from any other manufacturer

@andrewsperry6450

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Mines a little lighter, but man those discs are bombers. The crave is its little brother. Straight flyers, with stupid amounts of glide.

@jacksonpalmer8955

2 жыл бұрын

For real! my fission photon goes like 425-450', but it has the straightest mid-flight out of any driver I have ever thrown. It's so stable out of the hand I'd expect any single-mold disc to dump left at 300' but this thing just holds straight and fades gently at like 375'-400', and has a nice forward-penetrating fade gaining me bonus distance.

I can second that they glow for ever it seems like

A worthy note is that cosmic versions of each plastic is usually a bit more overstable than the normal version, even when it comes to Electron. Good video!

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Cosmic Neutron Volts are so beefy.

ooh I like the translucent overmould ones at the end.. I guess the gyro effect is zero but they look super nice

Let’s provide science driven proof that there are distinct differences between the multitude of disc golf discs. There are MANY different discs on the market, “claiming” to be “different” from other discs, yet…….most discs “seem” to be almost identical in flight, despite the numbers on the discs. For once, it would be nice to see videos describing the differences between the various discs.

My plasma volt is SO stable, lol. I don't mind the soft plastic for backhands, either, so this is such a great plastic. It works for forehands well even when it's moderately hot, so long as you don't leave it laying out in the sun for a while.

@jacksonpalmer8955

2 жыл бұрын

Also, the R2 ions are AWESOME! I agree with the claim that it's between neutron and neutron soft. Plenty grippy, but you do need to have an affinity for gripping putters tightly if you want to putt with it. Would not recommend for push putters, it's a bit too soft imho.

I just use a small compact fishing tackle bag that I found in my closet. it carries about 20 discs, has a handful of side pockets, and a very sturdy "thick" hard plastic bottom that will never wear out. and I can carry the bag like it's a old fashioned lunch box. and it was $20 dollars or less at Walmart

I suspect that rotation loss due to air resistance is low, but when contacting objects, it's high. The extra inertia should matter most when it hits an object or the ground. MVP should make some anti-gyro approach discs with low rotational inertia for when you want the disc to stop on the ground or not glide after a tree hit.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

Interesting idea.

I love them too, the relativity is my go to high speed driver

Great job Matt wanted to know your opinion on the glow 2.0 flight compared to standard proton plastic more/less stable?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

I'm actually planning to do a video on all the plastic blends and their stabilities. For me Soft Neutron is the most stable and I generally find the Glow 2.0 just behind and then Proton.

You might need to make an updated video with all the new stuff MVP is producing.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

It's hard to keep up these days.

I HAD TWO EARLY DISC FROM LATITUDE , ZION AND GOBI, SAME THING WIHT MOLD ON RIMS, LOVED THEM THEY WERE PERFECT FRO ME UNFOURTUNATELY I HAVE LOST THE M BOTH

The Steamline Trace on the steamline talk is gas, I bag 3 of them and maybe well get #4 soon

I’ve thought about getting an understable axiom excite for a hyzer flip to get more distance. Any advice?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know too much about the Excite. 13 speed is my limit and even then I struggle to get them up to speed. I do like the Catalyst. Similar flight rating but speed 13. It hyzer flips nicely for me but do find it a bit touchy. Even the hint of a headwind and it just keeps going right.

@jacksonpalmer8955

2 жыл бұрын

I would generally say the move is to start with about an 8 or 9 speed. My innova Valkyrie is my money hyzerflip/standstill disc, both forehand and backhand, but I know my buddy swears by his Inertia (same numbers, but one more glide). You'll be amazed how incredibly far a hyzer flip can go when you're throwing at the proper speed for the disc. I used to have a Daedelus (13 6 -3 2) that was way flippy but the second it finished flipping it dumped left because I didn't have the arm to keep it at a good speed for the duration of its flight. Bear in mind that I'm saying all this of 475-550' throws in field work, I don't have a wuss arm lol. The biggest thing about MVP for me is how straight their discs fly in the middle of the flight. They flip up and ride for days before fading much more gently than single-mold discs rated with less fade.

The "gyro effect" is felt by every disc. This is a point that most descriptions of increased MOI discs don't clarify. Thanks MVP overmold discs increases the gyro effect by ever so little. Your demo with the tops exaggerates the difference. The important bit is that when the MOI is increased, it takes more torque to achieve the same angular velocity which leads to more angular momentum which creates more gyro effect. So, the increased flight stabilization is only realized if the person throwing the disc can add extra torque. However, when the torque is increased for any disc, it's angular momentum (flight stability) will increase as well. I, personally, can achieve only a certain amount of torque. I quickly arrive at a point that the increased MOI doesn't help me and may hinder me because I can't torque it enough. On the other hand. I've noticed that when throwing down hill where I get a boost from gravity the higher MOI discs seem to not flip or turn as much. Same thing happens when throwing into a head wind where the airspeed is increased by the wind. Another point about MVP discs is that every mold I have (only 3) seems to be flatter than other manufacturers. Case in point, look at the profiles between a Relay and a Leopard (not leopard 3). Wave v Surge SS. and Photon v Wraith. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the more domey a disc is the more lift it has. Lift is the torque that causes the disc to "turn" (precess) at high speed.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much agree with everything you say about MOI. As for domey discs I'd say you're just unlucky. I've got 8 Photons and they range from board flat to really domey. The domey ones have more turn and fly forever.

@davelopez9161

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscGolfDownUnder Really? I would think every Photon would have the same profile. Doesn't speak to well to MVPs quality control. In your opinion, why are some flat and others domey? "The domey ones have more turn" Exactly. They turn more because they have more lift.

shopping for the Volt, I learned that the flight path is very different in Electron, versus the others. Electron is -2, 1.5, whereas the others are -0.5, 2. Cosmic numbers are like for the others, not like Electron in the flight numbers at all, so I feel you could have touched upon that enough at 7:22 as his could lead to some confusion.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

Electron is less stable in all discs. Strangely I'm working on a video right now about that topic.

Iso proton envy I really can’t throw the electron or neutron plastic as well

I’ve used to Proxy for awhile. Just got 2 Nomads in the firm Electron plastic. I love the feel but Electron plastic is an absolute dust magnet.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

That just means you need to get out more often and throw them to blow the dust off. ;-)

Hi guys which MVP disc would you recommend for forehand? I need one for straight shoot, at least 8 speed and flat realease

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Not strictly MVP, but the Streamline Trace is my go-to straight shooter. If you want gyro, then maybe a Wave.

@grumpygreg9503

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscGolfDownUnder ok, thanks for the recommendation. I will keep my eyes on those discs.

@brianhancock3607

2 жыл бұрын

Volt for straight forehand with a little finish.

Have you bought a fission photon recently? I bought 2 or 3 trying to replace one I lost and they are much more overstable. Maybe I just fell in love with a freak understable one.

@jacksonpalmer8955

2 жыл бұрын

Mine are also wicked stable, I have bought two in the last few months

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Haven't bought one for about 12 months now. I do have 7 in total. I have found some of the the max weight ones to be quite stable when new but they do beat in fairly quickly to something more manageable.

I have tried a bunch of different brands. There is really no other brand that has as great of a finish as MVP. Only Kastaplast and MVP have great finishes on their discs while other companies like innova and lattitude can have that little extra plastic strip you have to cut away if you want to be able to have a comfortable forehand.

@zeta8512

2 жыл бұрын

I would agree that Mvp and Kasta almost never have issues with finish, but I might be able to shed some light on something newer. If you haven't felt the royal line discs from Latitude, they feel fantastic. I guess they implemented a new process for this line of discs to remove the flashing.

@NaJk93

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeta8512 I'll see if I can find one that could fill a hole in my bag. Any suggestions?

@zeta8512

2 жыл бұрын

@@NaJk93 I haven't tried their new putter, and while I have a Rive, I have no business giving info on a destroyer-esque disc. My arm isn't up to par. I really did enjoy the 11 speed Grace. It felt like a Trace with a tick more glide and a touch less stable. My favorite of the bunch was mid-range Trust. For me it flew in between a Buzzz and Buzzz SS. Dead straight! It's listed as a 5 speed with 2 fade, but I really didn't experience any fade. Hope that helps. Best of luck!

Thank you for comparing them to other company's plastics.

I’ve been curious, wouldn’t any disc with a proton rim basically not have any gyro scopic advantages? I thought the whole thing was that they use a denser plastic on the rim but if they use proton then it’s not more dense and therefore no gyro advantage. Is this true?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

10 ай бұрын

I'm sure it's all part of the secret sauce but they add fillers to the plastic to make it denser.

How is ecliplse 2.0 stability compared to neutron and others?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

Eclipse 2.0 is generally the most overstable plastic, but there are some exceptions in some moulds.

Don’t they make Mint Discs out of Austin also ?

My trace is amazing

Thought space athletic and mint are also molded by MVP

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, more great discs out there worth a look at.

W1

When you say less stable, do you mean less overstable?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

Жыл бұрын

Less stable = more understable.

I wonder how the material that the plumbing industry uses ( PVC pipe) would do when making golf discs???

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

My guess is that PVC would be too brittle.

Holy **** rip to headphone users on that pole dink sound

That’s cool you can still play disc golf in The Peoples Republic of Australia.

Came here after Simon Lizotte mentioned you and this video on the most recent Nick and Matt Show kzread.info/dash/bejne/payG0bqlddGrg6w.html He was right this is a great overview, well done!

Why can't you tell me the exact percentage the MMI is increased by the overmold? This is information the company definitely knows. Maybe it's because it's

@DiscGolfDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

I have watched a video on KZread where somebody cut up a MVP disc and calculated the densities of the flight plate and overmould. It wasn't terribly accurate but they estimated it was May 10-15% increase in MMI. Does it make a difference? I think it's noticeable to me.

@twocrowsknows2811

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscGolfDownUnder I've never seen a difference myself although admittedly I haven't tried very much. I currently own a Tesla and a few original IONS that I've had since they first came out. I think I will go out and throw them next to a Saint and a Judge. I will say however that I have used a wizard as a driving putter for about 10years with the original Gyro tech and it does work well.