Most people have gone through their life not questioning their belief. It is really hard for them to realize that they have been wrong for a very long time.

@namank93

9 ай бұрын

Very true. And sad to be honest. Religion has literally fucked up everything

@nitishkushwaha1173

9 ай бұрын

That's true !! this is the biggest parameter for me to measure rationalism can you go extra step and put extra effort to challenge your belief. Sounds easy but that's damn difficult then we have confirmation bias, egocentric bias etc. but still we can learn, unlearn and improve.

@Nickel287

6 ай бұрын

Or it is just their ego or arrogance that comes into play They just don't want to or can't accept that whatever they were believing in all their life is a lie/false/myth/imagination. They say i m an intellect , how can one dupe me , how can i be wrong , no no i can never be wrong in what i believed all my life ; it's them who are wrong and spreading propaganda to tarnish my faith

@rdrd9250

3 ай бұрын

Yes it is too hard to question your belief..it's happening to me

Sameer : we believe whatever is written in Quran is True. Vimoh : the best question ever " Why .. ?" 😂😂 Great Discussion

I am surprised that Sameer even chose to have a discussion with you inspite of his beliefs and was also civil about it. Very few believers are civil in such discussions

@Niggasonic_Teenage_Warhead

7 ай бұрын

as a muslim guy, u don't have any idea how rare it actually is

Sameer seems a very polite person. hope he comes out of his confusions soon and find freedom from his indoctrination.

@xboobgenius

7 ай бұрын

so real

I am so sad for Sameer that he went to the wrong side.

@beactivebehappy9894

9 ай бұрын

he didn’t go anywhere.. he was born into it

@Nickel287

6 ай бұрын

​@@beactivebehappy9894but he is matured and educated enough to question and come out of it But he doesn't want to and wants to stay in the group and place where he is born So this proves the statement that he has gone to a wrong side

It is heart breaking to see he doesn't see flaws in his own argument. But then again, most of us don't when we are arguing out of emotion and just like anything it takes a lot of practice to question our belives and to think rationally.

"We are the resistance" says the tshirt while the man takes pride in being sheep.

@swapnilnarendra

9 ай бұрын

oof !

@marburymadison3407

7 ай бұрын

Religion was carved out from resistance movements too. Every resistance eventually becomes Sheep.

@dictatoroblitorator1115

21 күн бұрын

@@marburymadison3407 deeep

"That is what I'm saying.. That's written.. That's true is what I believe " 😂😂

@prasadpappu23

9 ай бұрын

@@privisuals9888 same here man. Lol His line of answers was the same throughout. He's all confused with the simple terms like "belief" and "logic"

@ameylaghate2925

3 ай бұрын

Every believer's last argument.

Well,i think religious people are mostly rational when it comes to other’s religion.

@akshayaneelkanthi2823

4 ай бұрын

😆yes they should think that way when it comes to their religion as well

@sadiquemuqadam

3 ай бұрын

Quite true 😅😅😅

@nightcoreeeeeeee

Ай бұрын

Absolutely.

पहले मुझे भी लगता था दुनिया इतनी परफेक्ट है ग्रेविटी, मौसम वगैरह परंतु जब SJ Sir और human with Science को सुना तो सभी डाउट clear हो गए । यहाँ कुछ भी perfect नहीं है केवल एक इत्तेफाक है की इतने बड़े universe मे पृथ्वी habitable बनी और इंसान का ईवोलूशन हुआ । ये बिल्कुल वैसा ही है फुटपाथ पर एक चींटी सही सलामत जिंदा चल रही है और कुछ नहीं कह सकते की किस पल मे किसी का पैर उस पर आकार पड़े और सब खत्म, चींटी को भी मुगालता होता होगा की उसकी दुनिया बहुत सही है

I feel so bad for Sameer. The amount of time he used the word "believe" without true explaination of "logic" is disheartening. Only if he could understand that beliefs can never be explained through logic.

@humaisabbasi

3 ай бұрын

bro i respect everybody's opinion and perspective but atheists have no logic in their justification

@VandanaSharma-fq7gf

3 ай бұрын

@@humaisabbasi its not about understanding even the thiests deep down doesn't believe in their religious book they just have faith in that book.... they themselves just preassumed that their respective religious book is true but if we ask on what logic and they are like i believe in it.... i mean who are they.... if they believe that something is true....doesn't mean its true.....

@humaisabbasi

3 ай бұрын

@@VandanaSharma-fq7gf bro i respect everybody's opinion and perspective but atheists have no logic in their justification

Sameer ke clothe par likha hai, 'we are the resistance'.😂

Vimoh❌ Vin Diesel 2.0✅

@rommelbengali

9 ай бұрын

😂🤣

Vimosh you correctly pointed that you find a religious scripture logical only because you born in that religion..... i laughed when sameer find quran logical without evidence and at the same time asking proof of other religious claims.

@AA13494

9 ай бұрын

he shud listen to adam seeker

@mohammedzain5598

3 ай бұрын

@@AA13494 well if u think adam is a rationalist!!! than u need help...there are better atheist people doing it without having bias.....such as VIMOH ex-hindu and also veedu vidz ex muslim

If Anti malarials, smallpox vaccines, antibiotics, polio vaccines, aseptic surgery etc weren't given to the world, this fellow wouldn't have been alive to fulfill his god given purpose of believing in his god.

Just discovered your channel. Very interesting. I love the calm and rational way you approach things. Subscribed

That guy thinks If he likes guitar and i like piano and he dont like piano than i am illogical🤣

@BeRational4764

5 күн бұрын

🙌

Checking out your channel after coming across your collaborations with SID. 👍

When someone believes something to be absolute truth they can't even comprehend the idea of questioning it! When somebody else questions their belief they think 'how can one question this absolute truth?' it takes lot of energy and reasoning to come to terms to the idea that what you believe to be absolute truth may not be true at all. Very few spend such energy to reason their fundamental beliefs to be able to come to the point of rationality. Rest become passive defensive while not engaging in any reasoning but still believing how can one question what they consider the absolute truth.

@vancedadder

9 ай бұрын

Hes actually on a good path (can't say if it's the right one yet), he just needs to dig deeper

@AA13494

9 ай бұрын

their book says earth is flat/ spread like a carpet. Vimoh shud have brought that up instead of saying the sky is in shape of a dome over the earth.

I think this guy wants to say that. “All other religions are illogical. So instead of believing in any one of them I choose to believe in my own illogical religion.”

@dannystark7668

9 ай бұрын

Aren't you Muslim too?

@vikassaini7485

5 ай бұрын

​@@dannystark7668 He might be an atheist.

@sadiquemuqadam

3 ай бұрын

Thats very accurate conclusion 😅😅😅

@arytecht

20 күн бұрын

​@@dannystark7668probably an ex muslim

@dannystark7668

19 күн бұрын

Let's discuss n​@@arytecht

The biggest parameter for me to measure rationalism is .. can you go extra step and put extra effort to challenge your belief. Sounds easy but that's damn difficult then we have confirmation bias, egocentric bias etc. but still we can learn, unlearn and improve. I can clearly see sameer now but truth is that at some point of time we are were like him and maybe even today some part of me is like sameer. But good thing is that I am quite sure that sameer is likely to challenge his belief the way he engaged ... he has allowed other to challenge his belief !! and if he keeps exploring like that I'm sure one day he would likely challange his belief.

I am happy at least people are questioning their beliefs and religion. This questioning mindset will lead to logical and scientific temper

Sameer, the next time you indulge in a discussion like this with anyone, please try to listen to what the other person is saying. It is natural to get defensive, but try to be calm and have an open mind.

@vimoh

9 ай бұрын

He was mostly listening. But there was a lag

@cd3597

8 ай бұрын

​@@vimohthat was actually pretty annoying to be honest.

we are the resistance... TO LOGIC

Surprised that the guy is respctful, not like the common muslim hardliners

Sameer is frustrating if you want him to look at his beliefs objectively. But he is funny if you really don't care about what he is saying.

@vancedadder

9 ай бұрын

You say that as if you'd be any different when put on the spot

Pleasantly surprised to see your channel............Iam an ex-Muslim living in UAE.........

Hat's off to your patience Vimoh

Vimoh I am fan of your clarity on thoughts

Can you please tell us with some of the renowned and truly journals that can be helpful to understand what you have been talking about with Sameer?

Vimoh, what is the relation or connect between atheism & feminism?

@vimoh

9 ай бұрын

good topic. let's talk about it in the live stream

It had been a disgrace in the past when Beliefs were made so strong... that every thing that was done, is in the name of god... And the impacts are clearly on the today's humans too... whose belief are still strong and would fight for its protection... In the Wake of overpowering the religon, the humans have forgotten the basic core of humanity... Still a long time to be freed from the belief system when people will be rational enough to judge the things appropriately

If your God has given you a test, then why did he give instructions in your holy book? Isn't that cheating? Why didn't he give this book to everyone on Earth?

Good discussion respecting each other

Vimoh sir👏❤

Hi Vimoh , i want to ask you something, what's your view on Swami Vivekananda, and disciples of his vedanta society having experience of god in deep meditation, how they came to the conclusion that what they are experiencing is god ? They also give the meditation processes by which you also can experience God ???? Also , is concisness is a fundamental property of universe and not a part of our body and mind or Consciousness is evolutionary and emergent from the properties of our brain ????

@animesh7296

9 ай бұрын

Vimoh has no idea about such thing and most probably according to him Vivekananda was a bum and he was hallucinating. About Consciouness, whether it is fundamental or emergent? All the top scientist are still debating about this right now. No conclusion yet. All you can do at the moment is to choose your side according to your believe. According to Advaita Vedanata, one of the branch of Vedanta. Consciouness is fundamental. Bernardo Kastrup , Don Hoffman are some scientist who are leading the reasearch on consciouness is fundamental.

@cyborg6282

9 ай бұрын

They lied about it and it's not vimohs job to prove it

@smws569

9 ай бұрын

@@cyborg6282 i just questioned , i just want to know

@preetgamer1495

6 ай бұрын

swami vivekananda propogated "advait vedanta" which itself rejects existence of any god stuff !

Kudos to your patience trying to make difference in between faith or belief and factual logic...

The mental gymnastics these religious guys do😂😂

Sammer is brainwashed 😂😂😂 just like everyone following some religion

He reminds me of the previous caller featured in the video “believe it or not”

Can you debunk - book of wisdom harry b joseph

Sir you need more popularity

Sameer was civil. The discussion was insufferable though. I really think that if parents delay religious education to 14yo instead of at 6-7…our world will be much smarter place, kinder too

Great debate I respect vimoh

So painful.

Science is always "changing". Religious text have things common with scientific findings. Science will keep "changing". So, the commonality between religious text and scientific findings wont remain.

Sameer seems to be very nice person, but it is too late to correct his thinking process. Agreed, it is the influence of every religion from the time a kid takes birth. Same in every religion. People have started thinking that science books and religious books are same. No, it is not. Science books have been written based on facts and evidences, and after immense research. I feel sad to think that religious people undermines such effort behind of science books. Fact is, number of rational people is decreasing throughout the world. In India, may be it is in few hundreds or lesser.

Have you seen or read "Legend of The Galactic Heroes"?

Vimoh, you looked exactly Abhijit Iyer Mitra. I thought you called him.

Sameer was really sweet and civil though ! (and so is vimoh as always) But we must not chuckle at their understanding of the world. The pattern that I hv observed is that people like sameer are not able to live with "existential crisis" hence they fall back to religion as that gives you sense of security. Its like you feel you will be preserved forever ! ( though all these are false hopes)

Faith is the absence of evidence

Vimoh how does universe come into existence? It started somewhere you believe bcz universe is expanding. I agree. But what was before it started? Nothing? So what’s the cause of this effect?

14:17 okayyyyyyy, so he went there …. 😢😢😢😢😢

You need to do a street epistemology kind of thing lol

Doesn't it feels like he was forced to believe in God? Like he is putting an act.

Why science vs God or religion. Science is observation God is imagination, you decide in which to believe?

This boy should watch Haris sultan who is a very learned ex-muslim athiest . He should also read his book to get rid of the fantasy he is in.

Why you shaved your head vimoh?

Great example of what "brain washing" looks like.

Vimoh you are like pluto i wish i was calm like you in arguments

Quran says that Allah has raised the sky without any external support...........Now sky is not a tangible thing, it is a mere space, it says we are reducing the edges of the earth.........round object doesn't have any edges.............it says we have laid the earth like a carpet.........Again round objects cannot be 'laid'...............it says we placed moutains like pegs on earth lest it should shake...........mountains are not 'placed' but emerge beneath the surface of earth as a result of collision of tectonic plates............it says Allah first created earth, produced vegetation and then shifted his focus towards heaven...........this is idiotic and nonsense..............it says meteorites are infact missiles thrown at Satan..............Carnage of science is self explanatory in Quran................

I wonder that very few people are asking religious people to give formula of string theory or dark matter, or dark energy, or quantum gravity by reading their religious books.

we should always be stuck on Android 2.3 gingerbread not to the latest version...

शायद आप Human With Science Channel पर आए थे और हमारी बात भी हुई थी

The patience 😂🙏🏻🙏🏻

Bhai mast dikh rahe ho. Pure podcaster look. (Kurei tamashi)

This is the typical argument where people say that your science will catch up and eventually conclude what the scripture has already written down for us to follow. Also, there is this affinity to authority which can tell us what to do instead of making your own definitions. After all who doesn’t like to be a little lazy ;)

😅 13:45 yes

bros just like me goin through midlife crises

its is so frustrating to see such a polite person refuse objective reality because its forbidden in his faith

I think people believe in afterlife because they can't handle the fact the we all are going to die at some point and nothing more will come out of it. Basically they want the experiences that we have to continue forever. I think it's just greed. :)

Sameer is completely blinded. No logical thinking, just a blind belief with no questioning.

People often confuse the terminology and say it is just a "Theory". Science doesn't change; it improves and encompasses older observations. Evolution is a fact, the nuances of Evolution might improve with time and that's a good thing.

Sameer, You are on the right path! You are seeking the truth! Try out other books too like : Age of Reason - Thomas Paine, Rape of the mind - Joost Meerloo. Keep thinking! Keep asking questions!

All the religions are just manipulation done with your emotions..sameer is emotional about his religion and not ready to gave up on that, though he understands the truth side.

reproduction is like a photo copy not the photo print...

Here is a very big question - why are you believing ...... means aisa kya ho jayega yadi aap ek believer nahi ho balki ek aise insaan ho jo open minded hai aur science ko real bolta hai.

Wait till he studies cell "theory" 😅

Every religious person : My religion is superior, powerful and kind 😅

Pls dont mess with vimoh, if u dont know the basics of logic and logical conversation.. forget about converting him into ur religion..

❤❤❤❤❤

14:20 no vimoh there is nothing like that in Quran

All religious books are created by human and their beliefs about god , god is subconscious thing created by man.

Okay 1 think to point out to those who says "Evolution is just a Theory" then yes it is. But what does it mean? Do you know that?! In science the "Theory" is the highest form of facts that is proven by multiple tests and observations. You say "Theory of something" in general and yes you are correct that "It's just a thory" but in science "Theory" means it has been proven and well agreed by everything we see or whoever test those. I just found out this channel and I loved it because he accept that he doesn't know about GOD so I don't know but just you or someone or some book say "The GOD is there" without evidence or ovservation I'm not accepting it. And that's rational thinking and I love it. To those again who might say "Its just a theory" remember next time "Thoery" in science is well proven with facts and supported by many many evidences.

Just tell the people about the theories of Neil De Grasse tyson and tell them what he thinks about these mythology

People are trying to make him believe in God.. let him be.. OR GIVE HIM A SOLD PROFF THAT GOD REALLY EXIT.. . And then they will say their religion is the only true one all the other are not.. but no one ever given any proof of their religion being the only the true one.. I do believe in waheguru ( creator of the universe ) but I don't go around and trying to make people in believe what I believe in. LIVE AND LET LIVE

Screen share karke likh k samjagaya karo ye log nhi to circle m hi baat karenge😂😂

Vimoh sir, "The Expanse" dekho

@vimoh

9 ай бұрын

seen it

@dhrbolai

9 ай бұрын

how much would you rate it among the sci-fi series out there...

@vimoh

9 ай бұрын

9/10

@dhrbolai

9 ай бұрын

@@vimoh it's a bummer that amazon is not going to make the remaining 3 books on the series... instead they wasted their money on LOTR prequel series.

Why these people come with silly arguments. We have no clear idea of so called universe's frame ,,,how dare they can say after life, jannat , heaven , hell all these sorts of imaginations!😢

@sadiquemuqadam

3 ай бұрын

So is science...which have lots of theories still without any evidences...Every one have beliefs so does some scientists... Some believes conciously and some believes blindly...

A: Quran is true coz it has some ans to our problems . B: other books also have ans as well why dont u belive it . A: Coz it is not quran

Gell mann Amnesia.

If you believe in God, then you surely believe that gods creations are permanent. If God created Adam and Eve ( or any other 2 people) what were their races? How did 2 people end up producing people of so many races? Did they evolve over time? So is it evolution or is it creation? If they did, then creation is not permanent and then god is not all powerful as claimed. Also, who created god? If everything needs a creator, then how can we accept that a creator can magically appear out of nothing?

Can you give me some contradictions in Quran

@arytecht

20 күн бұрын

i can give one scientific contradiction. in quran 86:5-7, it states that semen comes from an area between backbone and ribcage. now this is obviously false since we know that semen is a mixture of seminal plasma and sperms. sperms are formed by meiosis in testis, and seminal plasma is the combination of all the secretions by accessory glands.

Faith consists of logic

What is at the heart of this debate is there is disparity between your understanding of logic and his meaning. His is subjective logic and yours is objective logic which can be proven at any time and on any geography

@vimoh

9 ай бұрын

there is no such thing as subjective logic

@prasadpappu23

9 ай бұрын

@@vimoh lol 😂

@pradeepkumarm944

8 ай бұрын

@@vimoh But don't you think that our 'objective logic' is colored by our subjective biases, despite our best efforts to be unbiased? So, in that sense, almost all logic is 'subjective'. The very drive to reason out something stems from a self-centered motive towards a subjective end. Is it not?

You can spend weeks explaining but they will keep coming back to square one .

Lol. Muhammad flying on a horse is science? Seriously?

@xboobgenius

6 ай бұрын

it’s not a horse, it’s a khota? 💀😭

@mohammedzain5598

3 ай бұрын

well there are non-scientific claims in every religions...from mohammed pbuh flying on a horse or jesus christ curing blind and turning something into wine or even the legends/epics of hinduism... so if u truly believe in accurate science then u will find religions false....but if one has to include both of em then he has to fing excuses/others ways to prove his point.....such as saying miracles can happen/or saying that the sentence can be metaphorical/ or that u align ur culture and say atheism is in our history and fake claim about atheism

hindi me bol lo please itna uncomfortable discussion kyu... subtitles kafi hai angrazao ke liye

Contact Dr. Zakir Naik if you really want to know the answers to your questions… We all want to see it . Take the love ❤

@AK-in3qm

4 ай бұрын

He is a doctor who knows what Evolution and Natural Selection is yet he calls it a theory. Evolution has so much evidence. He is no Doctor, He is no Muslim as well, he is just a clown who doesn't know anything about basic Scientific Concepts

@guripawar1897

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂. Good advice brather🤪

Faith is not logic. It is BLIND FAITH.