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Multi-Fuel Stoves 2020 by FLAT CAT GEAR

We finally release the Multi-Fuel 3.0 and 1.5 stoves. It's been a long time coming but we wanted to get everything right. The biggest difference for customers is that the 3.0 is lighter as the weight dropped from 33 grams to 29 grams.

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  • @veiwc
    @veiwc3 жыл бұрын

    read the conversation, below I think it was awesome to see strangers have a well-said conversation. Also you totally just sold me a stove

  • @LeopoldElwes
    @LeopoldElwes3 жыл бұрын

    How much ist shipping to Austria?🤔 Could I not just build one here?🤔 Out of a tuna can?🤔

  • @FlatCatGear

    @FlatCatGear

    3 жыл бұрын

    It cost about $15 ti ship to AU, go ahead and build one.

  • @straightrazorsmith
    @straightrazorsmith4 жыл бұрын

    3.0 is more like 1.6. I like the 2.0 more. This 3.0 doesn't seem that robust.

  • @FlatCatGear

    @FlatCatGear

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, since I have built and tested both of them, I know that the 3.0 is a better stove. Each pin has 5 spot welds and the support are very robust. Multiple drop test and twisting of the supports have been used to validate the design.

  • @straightrazorsmith

    @straightrazorsmith

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@FlatCatGear I think your tests are biased. There are 3 points that I can think of for why the 3.0 is not as good as the 2.0: 1, 2.0 is a one piece construction and it's indestructible in my opinion. For instance, I can stand on my clone of your 2.0 stove, and it held up with all my weight on it. For the 3.0, while the 5 point welds are strong, it's a 4 pieces construction, and it only needs one piece to fail to render the stove useless. My suggestion, use an outer metal to sandwich the pins to the wall of the stove, and use a bigger pin. 2, I assume you did those tests when the stove was cold. Heated up metals are softer. A more meaningful test would be placing a lot of weight on the stove, while blasting it with a torch to a glowing red. 3, finally, the 3 tiny points stand is not as stable and you can't place a smaller pot on it. My suggestion, use L shape pins instead of I shape. While I am happy to see new designs, but there are really not a lot of innovations here. Here are few ideas, nothing new: A, Since you have acquired a spot welding machine, maybe add a foldable tripod to the bottom of the stove to increase stability? B, use bolt and screw to make the 3 points stand, so the height is adjustable. C, A one piece design is simple and elegant. Maybe consider a pressurized version? It can be done. I have videos to prove that concept. Mine is made from Cheap aluminum can. It would be nice to see a heavily made stainless one. Last but not least, Good luck to your stove business. I like your new web site design, but it's kind of confusing to browse through.

  • @FlatCatGear

    @FlatCatGear

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@straightrazorsmith Straightrazorsmith - Believe it or not, I do appreciate your feedback and comments. You may not be aware, but we have actually been trying to improve this stove so several years. Let’s talk about the bigger picture and work our way down. All alcohol stoves need a windscreen, The Multi-Fuel burning isopropyl in particular needs one to eliminate soot. So, the best solution is to use a windscreen, and ours has an integrated pot stand so we recommend the MultiFuel 1.5. In this setup you get wind protection and the ultimate stability. That being said, a number of customers want a stand-alone system. The stove is 2.8” in diameter and the Multi-Fuel 3.0 is best suited for mugs. In general, that will easily support the smallest mug. The wall thickness on the stove is 0.007” and is a lot thinner than most people think. The pins on the other hand are 0.094” or over 10X as thick. If I go to a thicker pin, spot welding become unreliable due to the difference in thickness between the two materials (0.125” doesn’t work). Thicker pins we need to be brazed on. L shaped pins and clamping bracket could work, but see my next entry. The bottom-line benefit to the customer is keeping the cost down. The cost to make a stove has little to do with the materials but is all about the labor and the reject rate. IMO, the 3.0 is a superior design but more importantly it has a significant reduction in both labor content and reject rates. As I have stated before, we have done a lot of testing on this design. That being said, the 3.0 is released as a BETA unit to gather more field data. As always, our products have a 100% guarantee over workmanship and quality. If the 3.0 design does not work out, we will replace it with a better design. Best regards - Jon

  • @straightrazorsmith

    @straightrazorsmith

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@FlatCatGear I only hope my feedback is helpful in someways, and I can't wait to see more new designs coming up from you. I am so sorry that I can't purchase a stove from you now, but I will be saving up. I hope you keep selling your stoves, and especially the 2.0 one because that is the one I am going to buy.

  • @FlatCatGear

    @FlatCatGear

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@straightrazorsmith No worries, you were just expressing your opinions. No harm in that. When you do decide to order one, I can build you the retro version (2.0).