MSM 213 - T1 | Larry Lurr (Wolf) Vs Echo Fox | MKleo (Marth) Winners Semis - Smash Ultimate
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larry has improved so much lately. his results the past few tourneys have been really consistent compared to before
@chocobovonhauske8518
4 жыл бұрын
Ikr, hope to see him top 20 in pgr this season
attention to detail, look at 0:43 where mkleo tilts his shield upwards for the fair and then downwards to cover larry lurs f tilt, he's miles ahead jesus
@jasonlobo2350
4 жыл бұрын
That is actually pretty normal in top level play
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
He didn't tilt his shield down justnup
@benjaminlennox4249
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if he saw himself losing the match?
@dkbroman
4 жыл бұрын
That's simple things all good players do This would've been way better for a super heavy
@EphYxRS
4 жыл бұрын
Just noticed, wow this is crazy. No words for how much awareness he has that normal players dont have.
6:38 look at Larry's side of the screen.
@carsonmcclung6838
4 жыл бұрын
KJ thank you for this
@personperson7425
4 жыл бұрын
KJ i saw a devry university ad, thank you
@Segel1230
4 жыл бұрын
Can't upvote, 69, sorry
@khamisjr_
4 жыл бұрын
Person Person anytime
@khamisjr_
4 жыл бұрын
I really hope that guy finds this comment
Damn this game is a must watch for wolf mains, the tech options being covered by larry are insane, he has amazing mixups on his recovery (well most of the time, except the wolf flash after being hit immediately to leo counter) the rar back-air fake out to tomahawk grab. God damn.
What, were the commentators that gave a shit about ultimate busy or something?
These half asleep commentators resting on this hype set. Smh
@lordsozehcp5362
4 жыл бұрын
Right
@thevenomoth3455
4 жыл бұрын
JViz64 you don’t have to shit bricks in order to not be resting. I wasn’t exactly surprised either cause I knew he was capable.
Dropped wolf because of everything beating my recovery, but Larry just showcased that it can be made up for with consistent stage control and ledgetrapping. I think I'll try again.
@ericdragoification
4 жыл бұрын
Raziel - ArmoniasHQ I agreed. You should watch how zackary recover with wolf. You just have to get creative with your recoveries and maintain stage control.
@Yokai_Yuri
4 жыл бұрын
My advice for both of you. IT IS NOT GONNA WORK. Not trying to be negative or anything but as a main Wolf myself, I can say that Wolf serves nowaday as a secondary character for specific match ups;however, if you are facing someone that excels at edgeguarding such as : Lucina, Marth, Inkling, Joker etc... you are going to lose no matter what angle you do. The problem with Wolf's recovery is that is VERY predictable. Sent wolf too far away? He is definetely using side B to grab onto the ledge so anyone with counter or two frame kills him. So...you kinda move around in an angle where the recovery can get you back to the stage;however, look at 8:30---that is the perfect example of how Wolf recovery is so exploitable and to be honest...Leo was kinda being passive into punishing Wolf miserable recovery as other hyper agressive players would surely take advantage of that.
@savonmcleod7265
4 жыл бұрын
Lol wow I play Bowser jr and Isabelle so hearing people talk about dropping top tiers feels bad man
@razieldreams9568
4 жыл бұрын
@@savonmcleod7265 My Isabelle does as good as my joker. Same as my Mewtwo. Those characters are lowkey slept on. That, or I'm just destined to find success as long as I have a good recovery.
@wealthforthecommoners3146
4 жыл бұрын
@@savonmcleod7265 honestly every character in the game has some kind of strength to draw you in and a weakness to push you away. Bowser Jr. isn't bottom 10 so he can get around
let's play "count the number of times Lucina would have killed"
@samhowl
4 жыл бұрын
But marth is good wym
@redfish6549
4 жыл бұрын
@@samhowl yeah Marth is good agree BUT Lucina is just more consistent with her damage. If Marth's sweetspot was a bit bigger then i think maybe Marth can challenge Lucina herself.
@cubicalprobably
4 жыл бұрын
@@redfish6549 Leo got multiple sweet spots. Leos Marth is much better than the best Lucina, as shown by Leos multiple encounters with Protobanham
@redfish6549
4 жыл бұрын
@@cubicalprobably yeah but let say MKLeo pick Lucina then he will just do better than he did with Marth.
@cubicalprobably
4 жыл бұрын
@@redfish6549 Definitely not. If you're as good as Leo, Marth is way better than Lucina.
The audio is weird and the commentators are kind of duds. That being said, great set! Props to Larry, Leo's Marth is not free by any means
@Adam-tt5hn
4 жыл бұрын
The commentators are dreadful
These might be the most uninformed commentators I’ve ever seen
@nicolasvidal92
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that these guys don't even know what perfect pivoting is, Leo's staple movement tech from 4, the fairly large tournament in Europe, UFA (barely a month ago) where he went Marth in Winner's Grands against Gluttony before switching to Joker in Losers, and not even having the capacity to pull out their phone and Google Kurogane for frame data. DS is frame 5 *with* intangibility on the first frame. It's honestly ridiculous that these guys are on the mic.
@lucaslopes3256
4 жыл бұрын
Nicolas Vidal Although I agree, it ain’t that deep dude. Smash is known for having some of the worst commentators of all time.
@tornadosmashbros
4 жыл бұрын
yeah, Leo is about to go down 0-2 in a 3 stock at 6:00 and these guys are rambling about fox illusion...
@sohcratic
4 жыл бұрын
Stretcherino Kripperino lmao
@ostensiblyquerulous
4 жыл бұрын
Nicolas Vidal Oof man it is so cringey hearing them talk about Samsora when it was Gluttony oof
damn is it nice to see these two play again. hope there are many more to come as larry rises back up.
Larry is so good at covering tech options jeez
It's funny listening to just how wrong these commentators are on Marth. "They nerfed him a little." Understatement, they massively nerfed Marth: some tips actually got weaker, sourspot smashes got weaker, range got reduced, hitboxes adjusted to make tips smaller, DB got neutered (slower startup, weaker final swing, less consistent connections), U-throw nerf. They also said Up-B is frame 1, normally I'd let it slide since I assumed they probably were referring to the frame 1 intangibility the move has and I don't want to be an overly pedantic asshole. But no, they continued to say that the ground version was still frame 1 but without the intangibility. Let's set the record straight for those who don't know, Up-B is a frame 5 attack with frame 1-5 intangibility in the air and frame 4-5 intangibility on the ground. But I will give them credit, Marth's tips are very inconsistent. But if you're going to be wrong about something, at least be entertaining.
Great set, despite the the two pieces of dust on the mic, like my guys. Are you not witnessing the same match? Sh*t deserved way more hype.
make sure to turn your volume down after you finish watching
2:43 Bruh.. Do you guys even play this game?
@noodletribunal9793
4 жыл бұрын
i honestly can't remember what that is either lol. dash cancel or something
@Kevin-yp7yk
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I play this game and even I dunno wtf its called bro. Cut em some slack
@KaxMerg
3 жыл бұрын
tilt cancel for those who dont know
These announcers are killing each other
7:45 Larry down smash to the music
To the commentators, the sliding attacking you’re taking about is when you cancel the skid animation from a turn around into F-tilt, not an attack.
@y0Pretzels
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Pivot Cancel F-tilt
@er5624
4 жыл бұрын
Thank u
@chocobovonhauske8518
4 жыл бұрын
Boosted f-tilt *
@chocobovonhauske8518
4 жыл бұрын
@@y0Pretzels pivot cancels are from sm4sh
@y0Pretzels
4 жыл бұрын
@@chocobovonhauske8518Yes, but the control stick back and c stick forward motion still exists in Ultimate. I haven't heard it called anything else even in Ultimate.
these commentators are respectful but some constructive criticism.. be more enthusiastic and excited. for a set of this caliber i would myself be hype as hell. Also great job to larry lurr for a on point set.
Cosmos sitting right behind them, no wonder he was also able to beat Leo, he was studying!
Larry is finally (almost) back!
@G.dot_
4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Corndog I'd give him a few more tourneys of practice , he's almost there tho
Mr.E honestly got me into playing Smash 4 Marth. I liked playing Melee Marth, but before the update that fixed Marth’s sword in Smash 4 I didn’t like using him. After seeing Mr.E and Pugwest play them i needed to try him again myself
The game's been out for almost a year and I'm just now noticing that they changed Marth's tipper sounds to be the same as Ike's sword hits. Sounds like unwrapping a fast food burger.
@tareqal-hasan4975
4 жыл бұрын
To me it sounds more like a violent splash of water
Leo has such a crispy F-Tilt game with Marth ..
@thatdude3977
4 жыл бұрын
It's good but kinda a bad habit imo.
@ezequieltovar7982
4 жыл бұрын
He's trash as marth
@Meracog
4 жыл бұрын
@@ezequieltovar7982 just let Leo do leo things
Glad to see know character switches
2:02 why is marth's tipper in the middle of his sword?
Who’s commentating they’re voices are so low at the beginning
8:15 "I think it's a timing thing" aight imma head out
@Evillightning76
4 жыл бұрын
I was so when they said that. I get not knowing the exact frame that it spikes on but like. all they had to say was... it spikes in the middle.
These are the worst commentators I have heard in my life
@XyzCloud
4 жыл бұрын
Eduardo Osuna there’s always some weenie complaining about the commentary.
@eduardoosuna1995
4 жыл бұрын
Knives Arcade I agree. It’s impossible to make everyone happy. But the commentators here are beyond bad. Especially for a high level match like this one.
@spookyboy9215
4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoosuna1995 it was a weekly
@lordsozehcp5362
4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoosuna1995 so u agreed with him, yet agreed with the original comment? Are u ok? He said the TRUTH. These commentators suck
@benjaminlennox4249
4 жыл бұрын
@@lordsozehcp5362 it's the same person as the original comment you dolt
2:55 commentary it's a Pivot cancel Ftilt
Sick Larry nice work
Amazing play by Larry.
Get em lurr
it's an incredible relief to see that even leo struggles with this character. so many times i get to thinking that there must be something wrong with me, but no: even leo drops a ton of juggles, even leo will have his sword beat out by a leg, even leo struggles to kill. it's not just me...
I did not expect that
I see you Larry!
Can anybody tell me is that a hearing aid in mkleo's ear? Thanks in advance.
@amitesharya6604
4 жыл бұрын
pretty sure thats a galaxy bud or like a different wireless headphone (think airpods)
@toosavy1998
4 жыл бұрын
@@amitesharya6604 ahh ok thanks
This is some good ass play
3:45 the patience here is unreal
When Leo goes Marth on you I feel like he's just sandbagging and if he pulls out Joker then it's like his final boss character now
@cfdaboss882
4 жыл бұрын
Wolf kinda fucks joker tho.(in some situations)
@dende_ult714
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t like how you guys are treating other top players when they play against Mkleo
@KayronTho
4 жыл бұрын
@@dende_ult714 Did it really come off as disrespectful? I'm just saying Leo just picked up Marth and everyone knows his Joker is a proven beast
@Hippestguyever
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed . Marth is pretty trash in this game. Really beating Leo means beating his actual main Joker
@catandgrouper4760
4 жыл бұрын
Kayron Fritz he’s been doing it a lot man, I don’t think it’s disrespect
Regarding the comment about "marth being messed up by ultimate", i don't think he is. I think the problem is other characters become stronger too + there's more characters. A lot of ultimate mechanics benefit Marth's toolkit
@celticwind4122
4 жыл бұрын
Compared to lucina he is, Leo won 3-0 against larry with lucina in losers.
@TapDat52K
4 жыл бұрын
I can agree to that
Marth can't kill Wolf with a Tilt at 180 :/ that's actually depressing
@Yokai_Yuri
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they have nerfed the hell out of his non-sweet spot attacks in favor for his gimmick, the tipper. I mean the tipper is pretty powerful but not AS powerful. This is why Lucina excels marth in almost every single way.
@mrkisukes
4 жыл бұрын
@@Yokai_Yuri They even nerfed the kill power of several of his tips too.
@adrianguillen4719
4 жыл бұрын
They should make it so that some of his moves kill earlier when tippered than they do now. I feel like his tipper up air is too weak for example.
If he needs a secondary for tourney's, why not Lucina? There were a few moments where Lucina would've definitely killed
This is winners semis of a local, the comments are treating it like it's evo grands. Like what do you really expect from commentary.
Let’s go Larry!!!
@TapDat52K
4 жыл бұрын
*clap* *clap* *clapclapclap*
When is Leo gonna be done practicing
@TapDat52K
4 жыл бұрын
When someone with power levels to his capabilities shows up. Or if Samsora, Maister, or Tweek decide to go 2nd Gear.
@aaronmeeks6323
4 жыл бұрын
Leo Said on Hot Jauns show that he may think about retiring soon
What's MSM mean?
I feel rude for saying this, but these commentators are kinda bugging me. It just feels like they're spewing vague trivia (that they didn't really fact check) that doesn't really have anything to do with the game in the first place. and they'll both drop completely silent, stall their commentary, or not even deliver commentary on what's actually going on
1:37 This ledge trapping though
wins over marss & Leo now
@ianngoat
4 жыл бұрын
Patty hummus must see the March instead of joker
@ShinyNumber1
4 жыл бұрын
Patty hummus weeklies don’t count for pgr
@djkhaledshaircut6825
4 жыл бұрын
Larry is craaaazy
@coleprovost2765
4 жыл бұрын
A win is a win secondary or not Supermajor or not. Respect to Larry
@unknownsoldier6731
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like he’s gonna get his name back out there in this game
At 2:59 if leo ended that side B with the down poke Larry's shield would have broken
guess you can say Larry was at the “tip” of defeat
3:29 Marth's side b hitbox really doesn't fit the visuals...!
@joshuaatehortua7352
4 жыл бұрын
DarkThomy and up tilt is slow and counter could’ve saved Leon a good amount of times
Marths up b def is not frame 1 lol pretty sure it’s like 5
@deo222
4 жыл бұрын
invincible frame 1 tho
@akshayy_xd
4 жыл бұрын
@@deo222 no, it used to be, not anymore afaik. It's frame 4 invincibility
@ensanesane
4 жыл бұрын
@Akshay On the ground it's frame 4 yeah. In the air it's invincible from frame 1
@stormy5621
4 жыл бұрын
They're thinking of Roy's Blazer tho it's not invincibility it's super armor
3:00 Attack Cancel?🤔
@mihaelkeehl354
4 жыл бұрын
Its pivot cancel ftilt
@TapDat52K
4 жыл бұрын
Its ok. I muted the sound 2 minutes in. Audio gets jank
Yo I paused after game two to come comment. These commentators straight up didn't even commentate the set, they were just having a conversation
@planetary-rendez-vous
4 жыл бұрын
I'm tired of commentators talking about their life while we want to hear about the hype match
You watch a fire match on mute
@TapDat52K
4 жыл бұрын
The ads were more loud then the match.
Behind larry at 6:38 WHOSE MANS is this?? 😄
Livinnn
@fcnator
4 жыл бұрын
Like
@djhooker8782
4 жыл бұрын
@@fcnator Larry
Commentators were saying relevant stuff but weren’t giving the set the hype it deserved
@TapDat52K
4 жыл бұрын
Needed a redbull
R.i.p. EchoFox
4:35 that was nasty 🤢
@Evillightning76
4 жыл бұрын
The irony here is palpable.
I was saying in my head: Larry come on you can’t loseeeee like this. Glad he won but Leo is just unshakable, his demeanor didn’t even change from game 1 to 3 being 0-2 at that time.
7:03 game3
McLeo got a wig on
Larry Lurr might not be what he was in Smash4, but he's still not the guy you can just test out charcaters on
Larry has won against Marss and Mkleo. I think Larry might get onto the next Pgr, if he keeps playing good...
@dqvid1634
4 жыл бұрын
Ow1 weeklies don’t count for PGR
@owen9517
4 жыл бұрын
@@dqvid1634 kill me...
@thelordoftheweebs9501
4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@stormy5621
4 жыл бұрын
I highly doubt Larry not facing Leo's Joker is like Leo just not caring.
As a Marth main this MU sucks so bad I mean 3 dash attacks true combos on Marth so infuriating.
@thatdude3977
4 жыл бұрын
It's not bad really fun imo
larry is wolf godlike ++
@TapDat52K
4 жыл бұрын
The Lurr is howling for a redemption arc.
Projectile just one...... just one omg.
Mah nigga Larry
15:14 purple shirt
LEo mAkEs EveRy CharaCteR HE pLaYs GoDLiKe.
These commentators are dry af, never put them back on. Larry won two games and there was zero hype from them, then he takes the set against MKLEO...and they're as quiet as a library.
Leo just needs to let the fsmash rip sometimes. Ik this aint melee but it will definitely close out stocks faster
Larry is the best
Muted
2:42 Marth's dash attack kills at like 100, if you're gonna count the time lucina could've killed count the times she wouldn't have
I think MKleo fans should stop trying to push for leo to use marth, the vharacter isnt just not that good, he is kinda not fun to play as anymore
Least hype commentators. Game 2 Larry is on the verge of a potential 3 stock against MKLeo and they casually carrying their conversation about Marth’s meta. Gotta add some flavor to it, otherwise your thoughts are pretty basic.
@ostensiblyquerulous
4 жыл бұрын
Lol they legit had to double check with themselves that Larry won two games in a row, like what are you even watching man.
@ostensiblyquerulous
4 жыл бұрын
Larry wins the set and a casual “There it is... wow...” with no energy at all. Not trying to hate on the commentators I know its hard yall but really try to improve the energy and the knowledgeability in the future. Good commentary takes a lot of dedication to be done correctly.
@spookyboy9215
4 жыл бұрын
@@ostensiblyquerulous it was a weekly, randoms could join commentary if they wanted
People overexaggerate how bad Marth is. At least you're not playing Doc or Dedede lol
Must feel good to beat MKleo when he's not playing his ace
Mk Leo needs to pickup Kirby
Hahaha flow chart is two words but ya know
@ryanbyers5984
4 жыл бұрын
It’s literally one word, that’s how arrogant that commentator is. Cracks me up how an insecure dumbass can feel better about themselves by belittling the person next to them, by reflex, just to cover themselves from being framed as ignorant. Perfect example of how too much pride and just enough vanity can turn someone into a gutless flip-flopper. Flowchart is one word bro, stick to your guns
Larry "who is unranked currently" beats the unarguable number 1 player in the world IN BRACKET: the announces... "well there it is" the crowd... *checks phones, shrugs. If this had been a melee crowd there would have been a mass around the monitor, the announcers would have been going nuts, and the crowd would have exploded after the match. Seriously guys WTF is wrong with the ultimate crowd? We wanna talk all that shit, but we look and sound as excited as a golf crowd during an insane 5 game set.
@hhypnoz
4 жыл бұрын
I think they acted like that because it wasn't Leo's Joker. Still, you are right, it was a big win
@ARAGHOSTA
4 жыл бұрын
It was a win against a secondary in an unranked event Does people pop off when someone beats drunk Mango's Mario?
@Axle3000
4 жыл бұрын
It's a weekly so Larry's rank doesn't change, he beat a secondary of the top player whom he is practicing with. Then there's the fact of marth being like his 4th or 5th best character. So yes you beat the game on easy mode and almost lost. I think its impressive that leo is using players of Larry's caliber as practice
@drop0ut606
4 жыл бұрын
@@Axle3000 Bruh, you just called MKLeos marth "easy mode" the same Marth he wiped Summit with. we could lineup the entire PGR50 and less than 5 of them are taking a best if 5 against that marth. also I'm not saying this changes the landscape of competitive ultimate, I'm just saying this was a hype moment for a player who has fallen off since the new game came out, and nobody seemed to give a shit
@drop0ut606
4 жыл бұрын
@@ARAGHOSTA Yes they do lol
What is wrong with these commentators? Leo just got upset by Larry and they act like everything is normal...
@stormy5621
4 жыл бұрын
nyanfish cause it wasn't the main.
@ryanbyers5984
4 жыл бұрын
Either nervous or self absorbed. Unfortunately flowchart is one word buddy, but instead of thinking about the match, they decided to think about how to make themselves look better than the other commentator. They forgot that we were watching Larry and Leo because they were smashing each other
Larry lurr won 🤔
@humanzerohumanzero4825
4 жыл бұрын
Wilfredo Spencer whats the point of this comment?
@wilfredospencer9607
4 жыл бұрын
HumanZero HumanZero I was surprised
@stormy5621
4 жыл бұрын
Leo probably didn't care
Marth side b is so BAD and unreliable Wish it got buffed so I could kill consistently with it
See the difference? If leo doesn't play joker then people have an realistic chance of winning #Jokerbusted
@thatdude3977
4 жыл бұрын
Tetrakarn busted
@johnb7794
4 жыл бұрын
Oh you mean his main is better than his secondary?
@Hadouken987
4 жыл бұрын
@@johnb7794 no joker ist just straight up busted ☠☠😂
@johnb7794
4 жыл бұрын
@@Hadouken987 I'll agree when other players start winning some tournaments with Joker.
@celticwind4122
4 жыл бұрын
MkLeo 3-0'd Larry in losers with Lucina so...
These commentators either need better mics, or they gotta project their voices better because there was a lot of unintelligible mumbling
Marth is better than lucina
Wolf is super annoying to fight
WHAAT?? Mkleo losing when he's not going Joker?! No waaay
Let's keep these guys off mic thanks
Damn the commentary was just boring
Is it me or did Larry fall off from smash 4
@sh-awe7328
4 жыл бұрын
He objectively did fall off, it's not just you. 8th all time in Smash 4 and not even ranked on the PGRU the first season.
@redwarrior118
4 жыл бұрын
@@sh-awe7328 Larry reminds me of 2018 Mang0. You won't expect him to win tournaments but is STILL a major bracket threat.
@aleceoff
4 жыл бұрын
he hasn't been playing or traveling nearly as much.
@celticwind4122
4 жыл бұрын
Didn't he say he didn't like how fox was in this game forcing him into a character crisis hence worse results
@G.dot_
4 жыл бұрын
Sh-Awe wasn't he 6th all time in sm4sh? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm certain it was 6th
dont listen to the stupid commentators dancing blade is actually risky
@skyisdeaf904
4 жыл бұрын
It's not actually.
Not so tough without Arsene eh? XD Lol can’t wait to see the triggered replies on this comment lol