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@Paraclef

2 жыл бұрын

At least, you know that you can not go and meet msi, or they are going to push you, from the top of a skyscraper.

@MARTINRIGGSS

2 жыл бұрын

Just a heads up. There’s a 1 month old account named “pinned by gamer nexus” that’s spamming some BS link. Edit: to clarify. The comment I replied too (this one) is NOT the spam account. I was reading comments and kept seeing a “pinned by GN” replying with a whats app number.

@josebr0

2 жыл бұрын

Look, since you guys are not going to like any prebuilts anyway, why not starting a business where you mount and sell your own? You guys certainly have the knowledge to do so and even some contacts in china. Plus, you have the youtube channel to advertise it.

@IamMarkSmith

2 жыл бұрын

I have the ZS. The less expensive AMD-equipped version of this with the grill intake in place of the glass. Their less expensive prebuilt is better than the more expensive one. I replaced the MOBO, CPU, and added a GPU as I bought it last Summer from someone who bought it just to take out the GPU off of eBay for around $550.00. It runs like a champ after my upgrades. I am running an MSI MAG B500M Mortar Wifi, AMD 3800 XT CPU, 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 CL16 ram, MSi A850GF PSU, and an MSI RTX 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio.

@kendallguier1378

2 жыл бұрын

I love the peel bait

Ahh, the "It's Better Than Dell" series. On this episode, MSI shows us that it can build a computer and BBQ in the one unit. 😁👍

@First-Name_Last-Name

2 жыл бұрын

IIRC, the word "Aegis" is a shield usually associated with Athena/Zeus . At least the case works as the "Aegis" name implies: It shields all the inner parts from airflow.

@CourtesyToot

2 жыл бұрын

Its bios makes it worse than dell. Dell has proprietary board and bios that's just weird but kinda works, This is just a friggen 350watt silicone fuse/heater, best case you part it out and reflash the mobo and scrap the case, similar to ibuypower.

@MafiaboysWorld

2 жыл бұрын

@@CourtesyToot Yeah, any prebuilt is part of the "It's better than Dell" series as I call it. Whether it passes or fails is up to you. In this case, it passes because it can also cook a brisket inside the case in 4hrs. 🤣👍

@literallyhuman5990

2 жыл бұрын

I ain't buy that for my BBQ my old grill cost less than an MSI PC

@ftwtech

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t discount the KFConsole though👀

The lack of quality control on prebuilt PCs is just astounding.

@Mihoshika

2 жыл бұрын

You just have to buy from the right places. NZXT has pretty good stuff, though airflow in cases could be better. Got a PC w/ 3070 Ti, 5900x for 1900 about 6 months ago. It's been running like a charm, though I did have to turn up fan curve, especially on GPU.

@myrealusername2193

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mihoshika yeah, the one case I’ve bought from them was the h510 Flow because I was afraid of bad airflow, it’s been fine since. I’ve been thinking about getting an h1 v2 for my next upgrade, and I’ve already decided if I do I’m adding on more fans. NZXT is just not great for anything other than looks and build quality (and the last one only very slightly). Plus a lot of people don’t like how their products look.

@willydilly9020

2 жыл бұрын

@time is near what kind of weird cult shit is this.

@ManGrieves

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the quality control on actual diy pcs aren’t any better than this.. and with so many opportunities to screw things up for the average person this is likely a step up

@ViolentMLG

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who runs a small pre-built PC company, I like watching these videos to educate myself, and I can say allot of these errors I ensure aren't made, and for large OEM's, I think allot of this is cost cutting/simply not caring. The biggest one that stood out to me on this review was the 100C on the CPU, we test all products, CPU, GPU, Ram, max load prior to shipping out a system, if it has temp issues, we notice immediately. The last thing you want is a customer returning the product because its lagging, trashing your business in reviews, calling you a scammer, etc etc, its not worth it. When it comes to immediate throttles, those things show themselves within minutes, its the last piece in the process to make sure the build was done correctly, not sure how OEM's miss this or even allow a system to ship with the ability to thermal throttle. I know these companies are making BANK compared to what I do on each system with all their pre-installed bloat non-sense, wholesale discounts, etc etc. There is no excuse for systems to come out with issues like this. Even if you wanted to blame employees, its still their fault at the end of the day, my employees understand I'm a perfectionist, and each system will be perfect, people aren't paying for amateur to build their stuff, if they were, they could do it themselves. At the end of the day though, marketing and money speak way more than your product, any decent business person knows that.

Thank you so much for reviewing this and warning everyone. I bought one of these unfortunately - there were a few limitations to what I could buy, long story. Has a 10700k and RTX 3090. When it arrived, the CPU jumped to 100 C with any task. I took the PC apart and found the "Please Remove Before Install" sticker still on the water cooler block (I have pics...). Took that off, repasted, temps improved, but not great. Found the same problem you found - the BIOS settings were pushing it to maximum clock without fail. Tweaked, temps again improved, but not great. I pulled off the front panel, temps were much better. I contacted MSI and bought the mesh equivalent of the front panel (from the Gungnir 111M or something similar). Temps were finally manageable. Then the computer started crashing consistently during every machine learning or gaming session. Turns out the 750W PSU could not handle the power spikes from the 3090. MSI tried to replace the PSU with the same one - same problem. I got sick of it and replaced it with a much better 1200 W one. After all that, my CPU temps returned to 100C. Realized the water cooler was no longer pushing water. Replaced that... Now I finally have a working computer, months and hundreds of dollars later.

@pogtuber5146

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus christ.

@starwinter6845

2 жыл бұрын

So sorry. I had almost a year of fights with MSI over a motherboard of theirs that I replaced three times, each taking over a month to replace, and the board killing ALL MY OTHER PARTS, before calling it quits and spending over $400 on a new board by Asus. MSI is just a shit company overall and that board was the first and only product I'll ever buy from them.

@spasiklakigaming5075

2 жыл бұрын

@@starwinter6845 I have a B450 TOMAHAWK good thing it didn't ever act up (I have this machine for like a year, DIY)

@EliasOwnage95

2 жыл бұрын

God bless your patience lmao

@pogtuber5146

2 жыл бұрын

@@starwinter6845 I bought the tomahawk and it's awesome but I think that was what they made after their terrible motherboard fiasco from an earlier generation

MSI took "Compress this drive to save space" to a new level!

@waldolemmer

2 жыл бұрын

> MSI took disk compression to a new level I think that's a funnier way to word it, just a suggestion

@gp3000000

2 жыл бұрын

​@@waldolemmer "Compress this drive to save space" was the exact wording of this feature in WIndows XP which is what I think he was going for, the question is did anyone actually use it?

@tommymoore9443

2 жыл бұрын

@@gp3000000 It works great for storage drives (Meaning less used drives).

@MrNukealizer

2 жыл бұрын

@@tommymoore9443 Unfortunately, basically everything I'd ever want to store is already in a compressed format so that does nothing but slow it down.

@shanez1215

Жыл бұрын

@@gp3000000 I am because Acer thought it was acceptable to ship a Windows 10 laptop in 2018 with just THIRTY-TWO GIGABYTES OF STORAGE. I have to do an in-place upgrade with a USB to even update it lmao because it doesn't even have enough space to download the update files

Steve, after buying my last computer pre-built four years ago, I ultimately decided to finally learn how to build a PC. There’s no question I’ve made more than a few mistakes pricewise, but in the end I’m sure that the last two computers I’ve put together for my kids and my wife, combined, were cheaper than any pre-built I’ve ever bought previously. Not to mention it’s very satisfying when you hit that power button and it posts. I’ve learned a lot from watching your channel as well as Jay and Paul. To all new builders out there, it’s not as hard as you think! If I can do it anyone can

@deli8871

2 жыл бұрын

Once the good parts start to go down in price im sure more people will get into building computers

@justinzhu8453

2 жыл бұрын

thats really cool to hear! my prebuilt is nearly 4 years old now as well, and I'm planing to build my own computer to fit my demands. All the midrange prebuilts are a hit and miss, so it'll be much more reliable to build it myself.

@buggiesindustries7550

2 жыл бұрын

Oh dear, looks like Steve has a copycat here 🤔 Time to see if the spam report works on KZread

@GamersNexus

2 жыл бұрын

I love that last sentence and hope it encourages anyone afraid to try PC DIY to try it!

@Xamy-

2 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus -how come you pinned the fake Chinese (assuming because of WhatsApp) bot account? That will just confuse viewers- Ignore, just trickery and mobile woes

Msi: "OH we'll just mess with the software so it won't say it's thermal throttling. They'll never know." Steve: "I know."

@robertdascoli949

2 жыл бұрын

You can't hide your sins from Tech Jesus

@TristanVash38

2 жыл бұрын

*Squeaks in Encanto*

It's so baffling that company that actually has enough R&D to manufacture their own hardware couldn't figure out how to assemble few off the shelf parts competently.

@syncmonism

2 жыл бұрын

IKR? How did they screw it up this badly?! There's apparently nothing wrong with any of the components (except for the case), and many of these components are actually pretty good, and yet somehow they managed to find a way to make the system terrible, and in a way which goes beyond just having bad case ventilation.

@georgepaul1613

2 жыл бұрын

I think they make these to get rid of old stock

@jlurenzjr

Жыл бұрын

Remember MSI is a company of hundreds. With very smart engineers that manufacture these components BUT the guy who built this computer and the guy who did the software setup (sometimes the same) is a poorly paid dude who works in a warehouse all day. Some care about their work quality some don’t just like every company in the world. The important thing is wether or not they fix the issues awesome people like this show the world.

@michaelf.2449

Жыл бұрын

@@jlurenzjr no real way to "fix" these issues unless the person who bought the computer is familiar with tech enough to just nuke all the software and start again new.

@timweber4318

Жыл бұрын

@@syncmonism Speaking off cases... I have an NZXT H210i And tzhe front panel is just a solid piece, so I thought it is bad for the temps... but it isn't. It's a mini itx case and i have powerful hardware etc. (and a terrible thermal paste job on the CPU, long story lol) but.... it doesn't matter if the Front panel is on or not. How? Like how does it get enough air? The case in the video has an issue with this, the 210i has literally a solid plate as a front panel. It only can suck in air through two abgout 2.5cm wide stripes next to the intake fans and from the bottom below the front panel since it's completely open there and even made wider, probably to suck in air... Like why does it work? It makes no sense to me, the total area can't be that much larger in my case then in the one in the video?

I'm always amazed by these because you can put parts in a case, leave everything at default never touching the bios or any settings and end up with a perfectly workable computer. Sure that's not optimal but it works, yet here we are.

@gmualum08

2 жыл бұрын

That's the point I made to my friend when we watched this together. You have to go out of your way to make it this bad

@Chrys0lis

Жыл бұрын

The new intel chips sometimes come out of the box needing an undervolt at least for my i7 12700k. Very unstable temps so I undervolted slightly and got better performance with normal temps

@headphonesz6527

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I used to overclock from like 2006-12, but when I got my 8 core cpu ddr4 ram, pcie4 ssd and GPU in 2019, I saw no reason to overclock

@michaelf.2449

Жыл бұрын

@@headphonesz6527 that's kinda where I'm at currently I'm looking to finally build a new computer, and well don't laugh but my current computer was my first build which wouldn't be an issue except I built it in like 2013 or so... 2022 still rocking my 4.5ghz i7-2600k, Radeon HD-7950, and 8gb of ddr3 ram. It still plays the games I want to play, and like works, but software is becoming an issue now lol windows 11 doesn't like the hardware, and now that the 12600k came out I feel that it's only appropriate to go from a 2600k to a 12600k

@remarkablehairdo3110

4 күн бұрын

​@@Chrys0listhat could be due to do many other factors besides the cpu itself

The first M.2 SSD I ever installed I ended up installing incorrectly. I didn't know the little standoff was a thing and I had never seen one of these drives installed before. The drive ran for about 3-4 years installed at a ~10 degree angle until it finally died. When I repaired the computer and replaced the drive, I was shocked that I did something so dumb.

@benjamin_luscombe

2 жыл бұрын

@♜ Pinned by Gamers Nexus idiots

@thealien_ali3382

2 жыл бұрын

@♜ Pinned by Gamers Nexus Ur messing with the wrong guy trust me, Ur not that guy 🤣

@TheGuruStud

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheJukebox92 stand off for the screw. Older ones were elevated kinda like MBs. Now, they're really flush.

@sold0ut210

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheJukebox92 As long as you didn't install your m.2 in a way that bends it or has it under constant pressure, you're fine!

@SixDasher

2 жыл бұрын

You live and learn. We all made mistakes and broke stuff, even when we knew what we were doing and should have known better :D

I work for a small computer repair shop and recently had one of these come in. They forgot to take the plastic sticker (that says "please remove before mounting") off the bottom of the cpu cooler and it cooked the cpu. Brilliant.

@dashcamandy2242

2 жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂

@pjavilla

2 жыл бұрын

If it was a prebuilt I'd blame the shop where they bought it. Users are clueless, the shop should've reminded them of simple stuff like that. They're buying a damn prebuilt, it goes without saying that user probably doesn't know how computers work and was likely afraid of messing with it and breaking something. Just a short reminder would've been sufficient. "When you get home and connect it to your mouse/keyboard/monitor, please also remember to remove this sticker."

@timothygibney159

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@TheSjuris

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjavilla I would hope that a prebuilt computer manufacturer didn’t expect the consumer to mount the hardware for them otherwise what’s the actual point?

@jacogeldenhuys6280

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjavilla Don't really get your comment, if it is a pre-built then the customer is not supposed to install the Cpu cooler themselve. It should pretty much be plug and play on the customers' part.

Rookie mistake installing an M.2 heatsink on top of one of those Adata M.2s. They come with an aluminum heatspreader installed from factory (which is very difficult to remove due to an adhesive thermal pad being used), that adds height and most motherboard included heatsinks will crush it even if not tightened all the way. This is worse than just over-tightening, it's reckless and could cost the customer time and money should it kill the part.

@LiberatedMind1

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention lost data.

@QuickSpermCell

Жыл бұрын

I got that PC are you saying I should remove the heatsink?

@narottamakarunanidhi1731

Жыл бұрын

Uhh sorry for late reply but i bought a kingston fury renegade ssd and it came with a heat spreader, i removed the spreader and installed a heatsink on it and noticed a nice heat decrease. So did i do a bad thing? The ssd is working perfectly fine though, crystaldiskmark said its reading and writing at 7gb/s so its normal.

'Unlike Ibuypower they put foam inside'. Having moved at least 20 of these boxes to clients, I never saw a single one that didn't have ample foam protection. The fact they sent YOU guys one without, is stunning to me.

@cat-.-

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they stared doing it after being called out in public

@Mord_Vi

2 жыл бұрын

@@cat-.- They've been padding their RDY build and custom builds for years prior to Nexusgamers review. Additionally, I don't doubt they indeed do this - it's not an assumption of them lying, it's just simply so unlike the company standard, and their insurance policy with FedEx.

@RazielTheUnborn

2 жыл бұрын

@@cat-.- I have had my iBuyPower PC for almost a year and it came with foam packing inside but it was something I had to select. You can order the build without foam packing. Likely what happened in this case.

@shanez1215

Жыл бұрын

I believe GN purchases these anonymously

@animalyze7120

Жыл бұрын

You seriously give clients these monstrosities? How the Hell are you still business? Most customers will let a boo boo or 2 slip through, not 20 of them.

As an old diehard MSI customer, their quality has dropped tremendously over the last decade. I remember when I had issues with some monitors and 1000 series GPUs and, while they didn't reimburse you for the shipping costs, made up for it by upgrading your current product. I remember having a 60hz 1080p monitor that they replaced with a 90hz 1440p monitor, or a 1070 with no display output that got shipped back as a 1080 ti. It didn't cost the company that much more, as they only lost $100-200 USD when they upgraded you, your defective product can be fixed and sent to another gamer instead of to a landfill, and you felt satisfied with the result as an end user. Nowadays, their customer service and product quality is a shell of its former self. You can definitely tell that there are great workers in the company, but the air is just so intoxicated with corporate bs that it undermines what they used to stand for less than ten years ago. Hope they go under new management and go back to doing things because they made sense, not cents.

@absoleet

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the situation with many other well known brands, the bean counters have taken over and started squeezing all of the value out in the name of shareholder value.

@prla5400

2 жыл бұрын

That's really horrible

@mjouwbuis

2 жыл бұрын

If we can't rely on MSI anymore, who do we buy from? I dropped Gigabyte a few years ago since their boards seemed to get less reliable. I dropped Asus 15 years ago for the same reason. I don't think Asus got any better meanwhile.

@Omarized160

2 жыл бұрын

Msi God like....it makes dragon sounds 👏👏👐👏👐👏

@gypsy6211

2 жыл бұрын

Remember when MSI Returns & Warranty dept was 2 old guys in a garage? Seems they got promoted to heads of MSI QC.

The price just seems insane to me even before they messed up the performance of the components.

@brucepreston3927

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, you could build this exact computer yourself for way less...

@Joze1090

2 жыл бұрын

@@brucepreston3927 if you can get the gpu lol

@jakesully2868

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. I bought a laptop that can crush this machine for less money.

@sonicboy678

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakesully2868 Which brand is it from?

@brucepreston3927

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joze1090 you could way overpay for one on ebay and still come out ahead...

Woah woah woah buddy, "Boil CPU at 100 degrees"? I don't think that's accurate, because you see, I contacted Alienware about a decade ago about a laptop I had which was going at 105-110 degrees, and they assured me that these processors were made for gaming. According to these specialists, it's totally normal for them to be hotter than the boiling point of water.

@tonnentonie2767

2 жыл бұрын

Well it's alien tech, their water boils at higher temps.

@paulzaratehuaman6003

2 жыл бұрын

es normal tener esas temperaturas en una laptop, en un equipo de escritorio no es aceptable debido a que tienes el espacio para poner una refrigeración decente

@GholaTleilaxu

2 жыл бұрын

That's the typical marketing bs for noobs. It's like having the car dealer tell you that you can keep your brand-new car's engine revved at 6000 rpm 24/7, no problem whatsoever.

@StevenMussels

2 жыл бұрын

laptops can handle higher temperatures than desktops, they're designed for it

@hamm3rextreme546

2 жыл бұрын

@@StevenMussels Mostly because they are not upgradeable, so you won't even notice its shorter lifespan compared to a desktop.

The really sad thing is, by simply using a case with airflow, correctly installing the SSD, and not adding bloatware, this system would actually make some sense.

@candorcore3502

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that might be the case too, but the thermals remained garbage even with the case opened up. While the bloatware would make the CPU run hotter on low loads I don't think it would effect the torture test's (thermal) results much. The problem is the cooler - the V5 is good at what it does, but it's got a TDP of 150w and a 10700 under load will go past 200w. I think MSI knew the Vetroo was cheap and had a good public image (again, it's great at what it's designed for), so it was an easy marketing move to install it even though it's asking way too much of the poor thing. If you reset the bios, reinstalled the OS, and changed the case out you'd still need to replace the V5 with something that's rated about 100w higher.

@802Garage

2 жыл бұрын

@@candorcore3502 True. That cooler is being pushed to or past its limits for sure. Def agree with your assessment on why they went with it anyways.

@anakinlowground5515

2 жыл бұрын

With a 2060? For $1,750? Why would you use such a low end card in such an expensive system?

@802Garage

2 жыл бұрын

@@anakinlowground5515 Didn't say it would be a good deal. Also GPU prices have only recently gone way down.

@anakinlowground5515

2 жыл бұрын

@@802Garage Fair enough.

I love Steve for mercilessly and knowingly teasing my OCD with the plastic on the glass.

@muckymucks

2 жыл бұрын

They’re sending the PC back.

@obiwankenobi661

Жыл бұрын

@@muckymucks no they dont, he literally says at the end "we will give it to someone - in pieces".

Here's a fun idea: take all the internals and throw them in a generic tower case, and see how the thermals stack up in the "basic beige behemoth." It would be interesting to see if some el-cheapo case has better airflow...

@prla5400

2 жыл бұрын

It does. Many great airflow cases for under 150 dollaz

@8lec_R

2 жыл бұрын

@@prla5400 I think by el cheapo he means less than 60 bucks

@contra1124

2 жыл бұрын

@@prla5400 150 dollars doesn't sound cheap lol

@tristen9736

2 жыл бұрын

They already did this one with the front panel off. That's pretty close to open air which you're not gonna get much better than

@Phyrre56

2 жыл бұрын

No case is going to have better thermals than taking the front panel off, and that still didn't solve the problem. The case is bad, but the real problem is the bizarre BIOS and power settings that force this CPU to run at full wattage for even simple tasks. Modern CPUs are absolutely not designed to be used that way.

Would be cool if you guys did follow up videos for these prebuilts where you fixed all the shortcomings (keeping the original hardware). Then do a comparison to how it shipped from the factory.

Would be interesting to add a section in the video called "fixing issues" or maybe make a new playlist of videos called "fixing pre-builts" where you guys show simple things that could fix some of the problems. This would be very useful for people that already bought a pre-built and are looking for ways to try to fix them.

@cat-.-

2 жыл бұрын

I will imagine anyone who is capable of fixing the issues will instead just build the system themselves

Thermal pate on the pins would top this off perfectly.

@mapesdhs597

2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking liver or maybe salmon. ;D

I love the way Steve talks; it's like he has a 1000 things running through his mind when he sees the madness that's set before him.

That plastic backplate is good for one thing only: Keeping screws and other metal bits from falling onto the GPU unnoticed and causing a short. Or water from a leaky water block connection.

@JessicaFEREM

Жыл бұрын

that's not a good excuse, they could easily make a metal backplate for not much more money. even cheap metal like magnesium would be better than plastic.

I absolutely love watching these reviews on the Skytech Chronos with a 3900x and 3080 I got as an open box deal for $1799... thank you so much Steve

The more I see you guys review these PC's, the more glad I am I decided to put together my first build in September instead of going with a pre-built! 😆

@Plasmic-knight

2 жыл бұрын

Haha same, I originally was thinking of getting a pre-built to save me the hassle, then I went and did the prices for what I was paying for and realized I could just build my own and save more. My first build was in April and I was so scared I'd break something. Fast forward now and my pc is serving me very well and I'm so glad I am able to upgrade anytime I want.

@PhaythGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I will say, in the current climate, a prebuilt you do a little maintenance on is probably the most savvy move. Even the used market is worse than that ATM. But I agree that building is an awesome experience, and it's nice to have full control.

Love this video and your pre-built reviews, any pre-built within the 2.5K to 3K range that you would recommend?

The plastic removal tease reminded me of why I respect and love Steve so much.

Hearing you say its one of the worst computers you have worked on in the first minute of the video. Me: wow this must be bad. Dell: so we technically win the its better than dell award? 🥇

@actualrealbozo

2 жыл бұрын

@♜ Pinned by Gamers Nexus Hey uh GN can you go run that spam bot filter by ThioJoe again or smth

@bengunderson712

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steeze, back to you

@willydilly9020

2 жыл бұрын

@time is near weird cult

This is quite impressive. They seem to have taken your review of the 500X, went back to the drawing board, and decided they had not yet made the worst product on Earth and felt they had more work to do.

@Quizack

Жыл бұрын

“What is this!? We can make a MUCH worse product easily! Crank up the boost in that CPU! That SSD, bend it! Kick the S$IT out of it!”

I love watching these. Steve being calmly irritated as he's describing how bad something is, cracks me up every time! 🤣

I love these videos, people looking up these prebuilds must be so thankful to have found this.

The Ultimate Power Plan is usually only available with "Windows Pro for Workstations" which is a sku used for multi-socket cpu monsters with features closer to Windows Server. It's possible to "hack" the power plan into regular Windows Pro. If that was a Not a "Windows Pro for Workstations" OS, they hacked that in. If by chance it came pre-installed with it, then it shows they're incompetent cause a single socket gaming system will never be able to take advantage of it.

@MrGetthefuckup

2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure using command promt counts as hacking but I get what you mean powercfg -duplicatescheme e9a42b02-d5df-448d-aa00-03f14749eb61

@davidr1122

2 жыл бұрын

I have it on my MSI pre-built but and I have Windows 10 Home

@miguelgutierrez2759

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrGetthefuckup Yep, that's why I put "hack" in quotes.

@jeebus6263

2 жыл бұрын

I'm assuming they're WinReg settings, these didn't use to be considered "hacks".

@daironhorse

2 жыл бұрын

I can use it on windows 10 and 11 pro from a factory reset

hot damn, this Aegis is one to avoid for sure

@tylertuthill5121

2 жыл бұрын

just built one... it's fun, easy, and you learn something

@ffwast

2 жыл бұрын

Well it's off-the-shelf parts, so you just have to rip the front panel off, remount the cpu cooler, remount the ssd, format the drive and install a clean copy of an operating system, tweak the cpu power settings in the bios, change the ram speeds in the bios, and rip off the plastic backplate and it should be... functional.

@contra1124

2 жыл бұрын

@@ffwast and at that point you have almost built it yourself lol

@QuantumConundrum

2 жыл бұрын

I keep seeing "just build it" but most of the time pcpartpicker shows a price higher than prebuilds... just a reminder that we're not exactly in normal markets. Double check everything.

@ttvv90

2 жыл бұрын

@@QuantumConundrum Just budget in the best parts you can get. Yes you can sometimes get a slightly higher skew of GPU in a pre-built, but it's not going to perform to it's maximum capabilities as most of these pre-builts have flaws that are detrimental to performance. Mostly because SI's are trying to save money in other ways. So if you pick some parts that make sense together and put them in a decent case, it's going to outperform a similarly priced pre-built 99% of the time.

Just found this channel and this guy, amazing interesting videos!

It is a truly sad day when a computer component manufacturer does not know how to properly assemble computers from components it manufacturers itself, a very sad, sad, day.

@handlesarefeckinstupid

2 жыл бұрын

It is not MSI that build them, pretty sure it will be a third party, supplied by Msi. It wouldn't be very feasible to ship PC's from Taiwan. It's still the fault of whatever Msi branch that subs out though. QC and training of the 3rd party is dog turd for sure.

MSI’s innovation should be applauded. They have invented the PC/Airfryer.

@Gnomleif

2 жыл бұрын

KFC had the patent and prototype. MSI actually got one out on the market.

@dharmabummed9923

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. MSI Ageis Airfryer. Eat and game without leaving your chair.

Been waiting for another review! Here is a thing I feel you guys should do. After testing it how it came out of box, you guys should install a fresh windows, set xmp and the way you would have it setup (no bloatware, power management) and run the same tests again. Would LOVE to see how they compare!! Thanks again guys great review as always.

@SKHYJINX

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that would be an eye opener for many. Out of the box performance vs the do-over.

@Cinetyk

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree with this completely. To show just how much performance the manufacturers are leaving on the table.

@abysmal5422

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it seems like the "power virus" behavior all came from the BIOS settings and Windows power plan. Reset the BIOS and enable XMP, clean install Windows, and take off the front panel and it seems like you'd actually have a decent PC, other than the bent-but-for-now-functional SSD. This seems like it would be an option in the spirit of this series's conceit of answering the question "what can I recommend to a friend or family member that has an upgrade path and ISN'T me building them a PC and being expected to support it forever."

Wow this is crazy..... great video. Think they want to check the performance of their support team?

Great video! Info like this helps us avoid costly mistakes.

It's interesting seeing the thermals and settings issues on this one, as I have a computer from this same line. Admittedly a much higher end one as it came with an RTX 3090, but it was the same exact case physically, and I ran it for a year without issues, prior to scavenging it to use the 3090 in a custom build. But I have a suspicion that the only reason it worked well was they used a 240mm liquid cooler exhausting out of the top of the case, and with the rear exhaust and the front fans, and that radiator with its fans, likely had enough pressure to minimize the effect of the shitty case. I'm wondering how much they bothered customizing the BIOS settings for all of the different Aegis PCs- while they use a common case, they include everything from an RTX 2060 to a 3090 OC, and some with pure air setups or some with 120mm or 240mm liquid coolers. If they used just one set of BIOS configurations and flashed them all the same, it might explain some of the garbage settings.

@Clumaex

2 жыл бұрын

You are right, at 21:30 you see the CPU Cooler Tuning is set to Water Cooler

@SlenderSmurf

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have one with an RTX 3080 and i7 11700kf and it came with a 120mm aio for some reason. After I replaced that with a 240mm one on the top it's been running fantastic. I don't think it came with Norton either but I might have uninstalled it when I got it.

@kaelinmarkert5852

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I have the Gungnir 110R with a setup similar to yours. I have the 360MM AIO in the front and 2 exhaust fans at the top. I have MSI center set to balance so I'm not even throttling the fans and I max out my CPU at 70C when gaming. So it's not the case. Just a shit prebuilt.

@samholdsworth420

2 жыл бұрын

What kind of person buys a computer and doesn't build it 😂 n00b...

@hondafknciviv3818

2 жыл бұрын

@@samholdsworth420 i guess the same people that buy phones and don't build them smhsmh

Jesus. That CPU GPU combo was a $800 budget build back before Covid.

@lexwaldez

2 жыл бұрын

and thank GAWD I built one

@LiveType

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, $800 is pretty much impossible even back then. This is ~$1200. Card alone is ~$425.

@igameidoresearchtoo6511

2 жыл бұрын

@@LiveType He specified pre covid, back then this GPU cost around 250$ MSRP. And even pre covid it would have been cheaper, maybe 700$ or 750$ total.

@LiveType

2 жыл бұрын

@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 It did not. It was ~$425. Founders MSRP was $400. I never once saw it below that. Trust me I keep close track of this stuff. Look at the prices of the parts. CPU was ~$280 back then about the same as now. Cheapest GPU in this general performance tier you could possibly get was ~$350 which was a 5700xt. Used stuff in this perf tier wasn't any cheaper. Holy shit we've gone backwards and not just a little. What a crazy time. Just CPU and GPU would be ~$680-750. Then you need memory, PSU, case, mobo. I guess $1k is doable so $1200 might have been an overestimate. Regardless, $1750 for this is criminal. That's nearly 100% inflation that I don't see going away any time soon.

@hornmonk3zit

2 жыл бұрын

It's an almost identical rig to the $700 Walmart laptop LTT reviewed awhile back and that was during Covid, and as the proud owner of one of those I can tell you they can actually move some air at full chooch.

About that SSD: Ive noticed sometimes with M.2 SSDs that are bent there is a chance for random blue screens. Of course it will vary model to model, and where the bend is that will affect things. But it ain't a good look if from the factory a PC has potential for such issues.

seeing pre-builts like this make me glad that my custom build from ibuypower did not have any of these issues. Most surprisingly, no bloatware or ads at all.

Damn just seeing a new video of a prebuilt review always makes me get a bag of popcorn I love your content!

Expecting a statement from the MSI within 48 hours given how much traction GN has gained with his reviews

This video inspired me to loosen the screws on my M.2 heatsink, because I realised it was bending in the same way due to the thermal pad, and I figured I should make it "tight-ish" on installation. The build is like 3 days old but I really wish the SSD had a full screw hole to minimise this instead of the half screw holes we get now.

Does it come with one of those fire alarm hammers for breaking the glasses in the event of emergency? As I am sure using it on the glass front panel would be a good way to prevent future dust built up actually caching fire ;-)

these will never get old lol. its amazing the corners that get cut with these prebuilts and the general incompetence of the configurations they are selling to unwitting customers. great work as always guys!

I feel like MSI has become the evil dragon in the PC space over the past few years.

@jsteezus

2 жыл бұрын

Or the hardware they make that is actually good is completely over priced. They were one of the first companies to raise gpu msrps before it became the norm for every AIB to raise msrp. But like they make good gpu’s that are over priced, they make good gen 4 ssd’s that are over priced, they make cases that honestly if they just took the front panel and swapped it with mesh it would be fine but still over priced. Only real parts that you can get from msi at a good price without feeling like you got the bottom of the barrel is motherboards. But if you want their “budget” gpu you get a plastic backplate and a plastic shroud on a 3080. Like if I want a gpu with an extremely marked up over reference msrp I might as well get a strix.

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

Always has been.

@flying-cacti

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsteezus I've noticed that the Nvidia GPU binning seems to be bad on MSI GPU's from my experience as-well. Some other brands tend to get better binned chips also such as EVGA. I agree thermals are not the best especially in their gpu design which may be why they loose performance to thermals depending...

The peel tease was so Steve. It had me laughing.

Whenever I'm frustrated with a build, I watch one of these pre-build reviews and I feel all better.

@Steve, you should do a follow-up video titled "MSI Pre-Built Redemption Story!" where you take all the components, throw them into a GOOD case of comparable pricing, with a non-bloated OS install and then do comparison metrics to show how good the parts could have been had MSI not chosen a junk case and bungled Windows so badly. A bit of a "here's how bad MSI self-owned themselves" for fun. I'd love to see those comparative metrics.

@JinghisKhan

2 жыл бұрын

THIS. All the parts including the PSU are non proprietary. You could even choose to do it in another MSI case with actual airflow like the MAG Forge 100R or the MPG Velox 100P to show that this could have been done SO MUCH better just from a hardware perspective.

@Ravenousjoe

2 жыл бұрын

That seems like a waste of time. Those are regular components, just look up literally any review of them individually, and there is your answer. Not trying to be a dick, but GN wasting time on such a video would just be answered with "yeah, no shit steve, components work when they aren't overheating"

MSI usually screws up with power managing. I have a MSI Laptop and it was like having a piece of the sun in your hands until you adjust the power limits. Just by reducing 5% the maximum power amount of the CPU reduced the temps of the CPU from 90+C to 60-70C, with minimal performance loss. I don't know who makes the power profiles for MSI, but it's a catastrophe...

@xeridea

2 жыл бұрын

This is a laptop issue in general. They tend to push the limits of the power envelope for the cooling. I generally do this on laptops, to save battery, and even if plugged in, to reduce fan noise. It doesn't end up being 5%, and will go to one dynamic power step lower on the CPU, whatever that may be, probably 15-20%, but it has a huge savings. CPU power consumption is roughly a function of frequency times voltage squared, so reducing frequency 15%, which drops voltage... squared, you get a massive power reduction. If you don't require max performance, it's a no brainer to lower the limit.

@sage4670

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure what you did was disable turbo boost. You may wanna check that you're actually boosting past the cpu's base speeds. Though to be fair, turbo boost on laptops is almost a gimmick

The CPU in my MSI rtx 2070 laptop thermal throttles within 1 minute of gaming. Undervolting with ThrottleStop is a CPU life-saver. First thing I had to do. It's a decent laptop when it isn't overheating. Crazy they can't even get their desktop below 95c. Thanks for the great videos GN team.

Hi there staff from GamersNexus, I'm wondering if you can review Medion prebuilts, as their i5 11400+RTX 3070 for 1399 euro doesn't look bad at all, but was wondering on how it would fare in your through testing. Thanks! Love the series!

I almost got this PC as my own, there were newer models of the cases that had the half front mesh. I just ended up getting Ibuypower prebuilt which was a better choice in pricing and thermals for me.

@iClapBooty

2 жыл бұрын

hate to break it to you but IBP doesn't have a great track record either

@jfkesq

2 жыл бұрын

learn to roll your own

@Underskore

2 жыл бұрын

@@iClapBooty seemingly better than this mess though.

@iClapBooty

2 жыл бұрын

@@Underskore can't disagree with that lol

@willydilly9020

2 жыл бұрын

@time is near cult

I still like this build more than most that I have seen on this playlist. Someone who is halfway competent could fix half of these issues just by wiping the drive and reinstalling windows. The BIOS settings are worrying, but again very fixable if you know what your doing. Atleast with this one, your not getting a motherboard with a ripped out PCI slot, a weak as hell cooler, and a shit GPU. MSI does need to lower their price, use the airflow version of the case, and QC check their builds more. Hopefully they actually listen to you this time, which is disappointing as I generally like their products.

@michaelscott-joynt3215

2 жыл бұрын

It's one thing if you're fine with it. Most people aren't competent at all. Secondly, you're messing around with a retail product, where you need to consider warranty issues. Generally, that's not a place where you want to meddle, as you could void that warranty. This is sort of why a warranty exists, so a customer has a path to redress problems with a delivered product. It's not supposed to fall on the customer. Imagine if Teslas came from the factory with several issues, and DIY handy people said it really wasn't that big of a deal, with just a few hours of work. You can like a product and demand an acceptable level of quality and service.

@LegitosaurusRex

2 жыл бұрын

Cept for the other guy in the comments who was competent and found that the 750W PSU was not enough for the 3090 it came with, causing it to crash, the waterblock had plastic on it still that said "please remove before install", temps stayed high unless the front panel was removed, and then the water cooler stopped pushing water. So he had to buy his own 1200W PSU and a new front panel to fix the problems, not to mention all his time spent troubleshooting all these issues including the BIOS issue.

I've had a similar SSD issue with the NVME riser on the Crosshair VIII Impact board. No damage so far, I guess maybe the thermal pad is too thick or something to that effect

Good thing I found this video, I was getting ready to order an MSI aegis. I am wondering though if they've fixed some of these problems.

Gotta love how MSI's CHEAPER case (the V100R) actually has decent airflow by not completely choking the fans and instead opting for a mostly mesh front panel. It would have benefitted this prebuilt so much.

MSI’s Z690I Unify does the exact same thing to m.2 drives. The small rubber pad for bracing the underside of the m.2 is designed for a double sided SSD. No extra pad is included to increase the height for single sided SSDs. I had to leave the heatsink off the m.2 to prevent bending the SSD.

@mcstark2700

2 жыл бұрын

their h510i is similar, but there's also this sorta thick metal trough around it on the board. presumably meant to cool the back, but there's no thermal pad so all it does is block airflow.

Keep it up I bought pre builds only for a template and I always wonder how I can’t get a job in computers when I buy a pre build fixing all the mistakes they do. So sad

Would love to see your perfect pc. Built from scratch, with your prefer case, motherboard, CPU etc etc. Let us see the parts you would use.

@kidthebilly7766

2 жыл бұрын

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@kidthebilly7766

2 жыл бұрын

@@UserUser-zc6fx kzread.info/dash/bejne/pauovLytn7qeeqw.html

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how this thing thermal throttled WITH THE FRONT PANEL OFF. Obviously I know it has to do with the weird power limits they manually set which far exceeded what the air cooler was rated for. But damn you have to go out of your way to make a prebuilt this impressively bad

@xeridea

2 жыл бұрын

Possibly some to do with imperfect cooler mounting, but it wasn't horrible, and should have been adequate. Probably the power settings. Even high end tower coolers will struggle with 255W.

@sulkyvirus8676

2 жыл бұрын

Yea he knocks the front panel but it actually lets plenty of air in. Mine has zero issues with a 3070ti and the front panel off bare impacts temps at all.

Steve, can you look into MSI Vampiric R100 as well? It only has 1 front fan and 1 backfan, and it was heating SO much that I had to buy a kit of 4 fans and install them myself! Even with them installed I could only get down to 70c, and CPU would still spike to 104-127c in 3DMark benchmarks.

Strange that a newer pre-built above mine has these issues, I have the aegis se series pre-built & it is fully built now, new case, new cpu, liquid cooled, & new psu but when I first got it temperature's were really good & none of the part's were damaged & really the only issue was wire management but besides that it has served me well & still is to this day with most of the same part's! Just surprised to see the newer model's having issue's

Duet Display is actually a useful app when you need it, as it allows you to use a tablet(s) [Android, iOS] as an external display via cable or LAN. It is trialware, and it being preinstalled however I'd consider it bloatware. Good Alternatives™ if you don't want trialware would be scrcpy (FOSS, Android only) or spacedesk (soon-to-be Freemium, LAN only) if you've got a tablet laying around and would like to use it as an extra monitor. I have spacedesk setup on 2 older nexus tablets and a Pixel C over wifi and connected to the W10 wifi direct hotspot, but also have a Duet license when I may need it. I will probably end up getting a spacdesk pro license once they allow purchasing.

@richardcrossley5581

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, I have Duet Display on my 2015 Macbook Air and use it with an old iPad 2. Saves the iPad from e-waste and gives me a second screen when I need it. Installed here, it's bloatware, pure and simple.

@ota7548

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardcrossley5581 Yes, anything that keeps otherwise good working devices out of the dumpster. And because the Nexus' are IPS displays I can have mostly static windows open in them or videos/podcast apps without worrying about burn-in; or move chats to them when I need to, as latency is not as critical for me when I have those there. The battery endurance on them is still great (80-90%) since I've been keeping the charges at or below 70%. Sidenote: I also have a Nexus 5X setup as a streamdeck/macro pad through Touch Portal constantly plugged in with a charge limit set to 70% 👌

@ota7548

2 жыл бұрын

​@I'm A Spam Account iirc there have been ways to setup a faux external display with scrcpy but it's buried somewhere in the github issue's thread. Superdisplay is very responsive but is only limited to one concurrent device, and yeah spacedesk can get pretty choppy which is why I have not latency dependent windows there.

MSI used to be my "go to" motherboard and GPU company. That was until I started researching and buying components for my newest build in 5 years. Then reviewers were telling us that the VRM's had thermal issues in the MoBo's I was considering so I decided to try another manufacturer that had better reviews. Now after this and other reviews I wonder if I can trust MSI for anything?! I work too hard for my money to throw it away on shoddy components let alone a prebuilt. Thank you MSI for encouraging me to try other manufacturers which have not failed to impress me.

@Ravenousjoe

2 жыл бұрын

ALL manufacturers have "subpar" VRMs on some of their motherboards, ALL have cheap components, but looking strictly at their low tier components for "research" is just confirmation bias. MSI, Gigabyte, and Asus all have motherboards with similar quality around the same price, and looking up proper reviews of VRM quality is much more valid than looking at random reviews of people running a 5950x on a $120 board and saying MSI bad. MSI had the crown for numerous generations of AM4 motherboards because they had GOOD VRMs on more budget friendly boards. This is coming from someone that has owned motherboards from all manufacturers, and has bought what meets my needs, and isn't pushing the budget too high. This time around, it was a Gigabyte board, last time it was MSI, and it was Asus back in Haswell.

@akaraven66

2 жыл бұрын

ASUS is still a pretty decent hardware company, but just don't ever install their garbage tier software, they have a less than zero chance of getting it right. Even my new ASUS board from like a month ago being a Z690 is a great board, but after hours of installing and re-installing their crap I just removed it and went with something else for my CPU, GPU and ARGB.

@hellequinm

2 жыл бұрын

All companies have good and bag products, we should evaluate by model we want. Everyone talks good about ASUS, went for that and less than 6 months 3 motherboards to RMA. Asus never again, even if the reviewers says it's good. Bought an MSI ITX for my SFF build, amazing board. The downside to that is to have to spend hours researching for every single piece of hardware, nowadays I don't have the same energy to do that.

@pokemoncrusher1246

2 жыл бұрын

Msi is shit, they took 9 months to release a bios for zen 2

@1011wrestlemania

2 жыл бұрын

Asus strix boards seem to be the best ones

I am so glad for your reports, Nexus. You do the community a great service. Can you comment on gaming laptops?

I searched through your previous videos and was wondering what you position is on regarding MetaPC (I see sponsorships of KZread channels for the MetaPC gaming computers - are they any good? Are they a competitor who you are not allowed to review? Or are they just in a different world from what you inspect/review? Basically, I am asking what is your view on their systems?

Gamers Nexus is one of the most credible outlets in IT. Thank you!

@MARTINRIGGSS

2 жыл бұрын

@♜ Pinned by Gamers Nexus This is a scam account. Just a heads up.

Reminds me of how I ordered a MSI laptop, and the SSD wasn't even plugged in (it looked kinda like whoever was installing the SSD missed, and instead the end of the ssd where it connects was ON TOP of the port). To be fair it was open box but still. Pretty sure I got a picture of it somewhere

@killertruth186

2 жыл бұрын

For my MSI gaming laptop, only the CPU didn't have the proper thermal paste application. I had accidentally caused a short on the motherboard.

@flaccidpringle

2 жыл бұрын

my sister had one where the battery, after just a few years, managed to bloat to epic proportions and crack the case i saved the components by ripping out the battery (affixed professionally to the system with electrical tape and hot glue) and running it off the mains as a gaming-capable set-top box

@killertruth186

2 жыл бұрын

@@flaccidpringle My mother's old laptop had a dead battery, then replaced it with a new battery part (it puffed up into a pillow and finally gotten a "genuine" battery for it. Then later did the same thing. I had a feeling that Sony had SERIALIZED every laptop batteries!

@luqdude

2 жыл бұрын

@@flaccidpringle If it was that big then holy shit thats scary. That's not a battery, that's a bomb waiting to explode

@flaccidpringle

2 жыл бұрын

@@luqdude yeah, generally i advise against getting gaming laptops for anything but the form factor; those batteries become fire hazards after two years at most

Can you make a follow up video demonstrating fixes for some of those issues in case someone bought a similar system from MSI last year? Asking for a friend... :-/

The mesh portion behind the front solid plastic is hilarious

I have this case and the airflow isn't bad. I also did some tests with front cover on/off and found like a 1 degree difference under load. Your test results also showed a bit more than that but still within a reasonable temperature range. The issues with heat seem to be software settings and cpu cooler.

@trevorallen8514

Жыл бұрын

What CPU GPU are you using ?

@fabsenbmx

9 ай бұрын

same here. 5700x 6800 xt. its a few degrees difference for me

I've had plenty of ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards that almost always bend my m.2 SSD at least slightly (maybe not as bad, but still). So that part wasn't really surprising to me.

@3g2i63

2 жыл бұрын

Some motherboards have 2 (thermal or just pressure) pads stacked on each other between like the m.2 60 and m.2 80 length. Depending if your SSD is one or double-side you have to peel one pad off. I wondered if it was the problem here.

Can you review the MSI mpg Sekira 100r?, I know is kinda old, but I like how it looks but I fear is going to be super hot

I love it when Steve just goes scorched earth on pc reviews

I actually purchased an MSI Aegis a while ago during the graphics card shortage of the 30-series, and was overall quite pleased with it. Mine came with the top of the line 3070 that MSI makes the SUPRIM X version. I added a second 1TB SSD from my old system, replaced the 16GB of RAM is came with with 32GB of Corsair Vengeance, and have really only had three complaints, MSI's mystic light software for RGB control should be better, the 240R MSI liquid cooler it came with died after about 2 years due to a recall issue, I simply replaced it with an NH-D15S, and it came with a 2TB hard drive that I didn't really want or need. otherwise all components were actually of quite good quality and well installed, and of all the research I did on the market I think it was the best bang for your buck out of what was available at the time.

I'm always glad to see other people having problems with MSI and not just me. I had a laptop and a desktop, both had problems non-stop. Built my own desktop in November and made sure not to buy anything MSI.

wondering what you guys think about the MSI MPG trident pre-built's, its one i have and im not an expert on computers but it seems to work extremely well

Thanks for sharing this video. I am getting close to doing a big computer update. I was before watching this, planning on using MSI gpu and mobo. However, now I am concerned about my ability to trust the company. Do you guys have any recommendations for alternative companies I can trust? Thanks!

I remember this series starting out as a genuine attempt to find well built prebuilds that are recommendable and not bashing on brebuilds in general. But oh well, I think it turned out to be a disaster for prebuilds in general, since there are so few acceptable or good ones and so many terrible ones.

@DertyMike

2 жыл бұрын

My Digital Storm pre-built has been phenomenal. 9600k @5ghz all core and a 2070 super overlooked as well, and I hardly break the 60c mark on either of them when doing anything intensive.

@brziperiod

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Used to be finding the good. Now it's finding the bad, so the good stands out. Same goal different approach.

having the intake be so limited may actually induce stress on the fans of the whole system once they kick up and not have enough airflow. I think the best case scenario would be a case with many holes so stuff can breathe easily, and fans never get stressed trying to push air that isnt there, ie negative pressure

@kevinwells9751

Жыл бұрын

Yep, things are quieter and more stable if they can just get the air they need

Man I had to rewind that ad like twice... I heard "car" and was like WAHT?! hahaha

Would be interested to see this hardware in a decent case and with the software and BIOS fixed. Would it perform any better?

As someone whose been using a HAF 912 for the last decade, it stuns me how so many manufacturers choose to cover half of the entire case in glass with little to no intakes.

@Zipppyart

2 жыл бұрын

Still rocking my OG Phantom. Even with just the CPU fan going it runs loads cooler than this monstrosity, and I originally had an FX8350!

@rogehmarbi

2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile, an abkoncore case I used to have : Install 3 fans at the front side but cover the entire front half of the case. The only holes in that case was the exhaust at the back and a decorative hole at the top, which was so tiny and you couldnt install any fan there anyway

@FooPanda

2 жыл бұрын

Glass is neat, but give me a solid black box with some grate vents any day!

I literally just said last year that MSI needs to make proper airflow cases because of this issue.

I would really like you guys to try this with Bestware. I am thinking of getting a computer from them and it would be interesting to see what your experience is.

Interesting, 6:00 I didn'k know about the two seperate cables, I found a dedicated video from JayzTwoCents about it (granted its 4 years old) since I have a 3080TI, it didnt look like much of a performance increase, is the reason for 2 for stability? Or because the newer cards drawl so much more actually make the performance gain even more than the 1080TI in his? I guess im hunting for more cables when i get home, thanks for the tip GN!

Does the problem go away with a full OS purge/reinstall? Or is it a problem with the case/cooler/mounting. Just curious

@NightKev

2 жыл бұрын

"The" problem is the entire prebuilt, so unless you also purge all the hardware from existence then no, "the problem" will not go away.

@julian.morgan

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was a bit surprised GN didn't configure things how they SHOULD be - a bit like taking the front cover off the case for thermal comparison - such as resetting the BIOS or putting sane settings in ( I'm curious as to what would happen with "load optimised defaults"?) and setting up Windows optimally. Then you'd have a "this is what these parts CAN do when not put together by idiots" set of numbers.

@jfkesq

2 жыл бұрын

@@julian.morgan next video?

@FluffyTheGryphon

2 жыл бұрын

Case is bad and the cooler isn't enough for that workload.

@nicholasgraves3149

2 жыл бұрын

@@julian.morgan They've already done this. We know the empirical performance of this CPU and this GPU in a vacuum. The entire point of this series is that the person who would buy this sort of system has little to no knowledge of systems, or has little to no motivation to fix somebody else's incompetence. They want to buy a box, plug it in, and have it work. I'm not going to go buy some garbage car because a carTuber showed me how garbage it was, but that I can invest my time and money in making it workable. I'm just going to go buy something else.

Could have been a good one if they choose a normal case (not a stupid “gaming” one) and a clean windows … Those prebuilt need a clear cmos + enable xmp + clean windows install. Then they can be usable.

i was actually looking at getting this case to update the look of my pc, glad i went for something that doesn't have temperature issues

It would be interesting to see the computer retested with the bios set to the right settings(ie not forcing the cpu to run at 100% all the time), and a fresh, no bloatware and optimized install of windows.

I'm confused. Why were CPU temps so bad even after removing the front panel and maxing fans?

@futuza

Жыл бұрын

The horrible power management settings on the motherboard and Windows power configuration combined with a cooler that isn't powerful enough for the cpu it was paired with mainly.

Just to clarify what MSI is actually doing in regards to "faking" the CPU load: MSI has enabled the flag for "Processor idle state" which is a hidden power option accessible via the registry. Windows gages the utilization of a CPU based on how much time it spends in its "idle state" which is typically calculated by X = (100% - PERCENTAGE OF TIME IN IDLE STATE). What MSI is doing to "fake" the CPU load is disabling the ability for the CPU to go into an idle state. The result of this is that Windows can no longer track the CPU load due to the fact that the CPU is never reported to be in its "idle state". This means that when Windows calculates how active a CPU is it ends up being an equation of X = (100% - 0%) which equals 100%. It isn't that it's actually at 100% but rather that Windows is unable to track it's utilization.

Can you doa destructive teardown on the heatsink? It looks like only 3 out of the 5 heat pipes were crimped. Maybe 2 of them were never filled?

DAMN IT Steve. I wanted to see that plastic come off!

When it comes to cooling I find that I can't judge a case so easily until it's built and tested. The Ibuypower PC I have had little to no intake space, I thought temps would surely get into the 80s, it never goes above the mid 70s under high load.

@anotheridiotwind1201

2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried stress testing and benchmarks or is that 70 just light gaming with a GPU bottleneck?

@halometroid

2 жыл бұрын

See, its not about the case, its about fan intake vs outake (positive, neutral or negative pressure).