Now David can technically state that Planet X3 runs on Amiga ;)

@Christopher-N

3 жыл бұрын

(43:33) Nice Douglas Adams reference. I don't remember if David mentioned it in his own video.

@BilisNegra

3 жыл бұрын

Guess there's some way to run c64 software on an Amiga, so maybe we could say the same about Planet X2.

@draketungsten74

3 жыл бұрын

Heh, I intended to play Planet X3 on my Amiga like this.

@al.d9592

3 жыл бұрын

Good that he didn’t try it out by himself. Couldn’t stand seeing him dremel out an A2088

@trevorjoel2150

2 жыл бұрын

I know Im asking randomly but does someone know of a way to log back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot the account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me!

24:12 Just like that song by the dire straits: "Brackets for nothing and the screws for free" XD

That comes in handy: today my new A2000 arrived and it comes with an A2088 bridgeboard. Thanks Jan!

@al.d9592

3 жыл бұрын

Formatted a 5 1/4 disk with it! Next I have to see how Dos accesses an external Amiga disk drive. That feature is so good! I thought it’d be a printer port! 🤯

Jan, that was a creative solution to Dosember. Very fun! It would be interesting to see a VGA card work with that setup...

I must admit back in the 80s this must have been astonishing to use - and quite pricey to afford! Well done for making the effort to put all this together and make it work.

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was still way less expensive than to get a dedicated PC back then. Plus, you had the integration with copy+paste and transferring files to the Amiga. :)

I wanted a bridgeboard so much back in the day, but it was not to be. Very happy to see they are still about and working.

During my year of duty in army, my superior had an Amiga 2000 in his office with this emulator card inside, and a 44MB removable hard drive. It was a great machine and I wish I could borrow it for the computer club

Do not fret, Jan! You have the month of AMayga to look forward to every year!

That is a GREAT #DOScember video. I don't think I have ever seen a Bridgeboard in action like this. I certainly haven't seen or used one in person -- this was a great demo. Thanks for doing this!

It really is a wonderful sense of satisfaction to see pieces of your childhood put together & "re-assembled" like this. It gives a tangible sense of closure & completeness. They may just be bits of random computer hardware but to some of us, they can be so much more too. :)

I love how there’s a “Pretend to Install” option, lol

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

The Amiga Installer was pretty sophisticated for the time!

@AshtonSnapp

3 жыл бұрын

@@JanBeta What would that option even do anyways? What was the point of it?

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

It checks free space, paths etc. and shows you what options you habe during the process. It was a useful feature when HDDs were smaller back in the day.

@AshtonSnapp

3 жыл бұрын

@@JanBeta Ohhhh Smart

It's like the Star Wars story, your father was Amiga jedi, but betrayed the order and bought a PC, now you took his stuff and continue his legacy O_O

@andreasu.3546

3 жыл бұрын

Jan Skywalker

Great video, to be honest "struggling to get it to work" are often some of the best videos possible, as they can convey a lot of obscure knowledge. Subscribed and curious for new videos :)

Sehr schönes und informatives Video ... für mich leider 30 Jahre zu spät 😀. Ich bin damals verzweifelt und habe das Board nicht in Gang gekriegt. Mach weiter so Jan.

Looking forward to Jan-Beta-uary! This one is on my Watch Later for after work, really looking forward to it!

Frohe Weihnachten Jan. Bleib Gesund.

I had an “AtOnce” msdos 286 board in my a500. It worked great. I kept that machine running up to about 1999 when I finally bought a real lifeless pc

@JeremyLevi

3 жыл бұрын

I had the "Plus" 14MHz version of that card. Really good for getting school work done in DOS but so limited for games with only CGA / Hercules graphics and PC speaker support.

@nicholas_scott

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeremyLevi Pretty much how I used mine. Everything at school was dos based, so I used it for all my homework. It could access the A500 memory, drives, mouse, ports, etc. It was pretty amazing.

@JeremyLevi

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholas_scott Ya, other than the speed boost the other main difference with the Plus was it had 512KB of RAM on board, although you could still assign it more from the Amiga's RAM. Other than that I think the only other difference was it had a FPU socket if you wanted to add a 287, but it didn't come with one by default.

@nicholas_scott

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeremyLevi I don't know about the plus, but mine had a weird quirk. When it crashed, all the error messages were in german! not very helpful. lol

Really enjoyed that one ... nice to see some PC magic on an Amiga .... really need to get my amiga's up and running again and set them up in a dedicated place ... Spent so much time with them when I was young but since I got into this retro PC thing the PCs have taken up almost all of my time. Do have an amiga 500 and 1200 that still work, but have given up on finding a 1000/2000/3000/4000 :)

@w0nDeR1975

3 жыл бұрын

A2000's regularly pop up on 2dehands.be. I have a A2000 motherboard to give you if you like

That was really cool! So neat that it runs Planet X3! I'd actually like to see the bridge board talking to a separate PC video card and, say, an AdLib card for music.

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

I am going to try a VGA card soon. :)

DOSember is keeping my spirits high after I had a house fire last week. Thank you and the other retro tech (and retro console gaming) YTers! Nothing a bit of VGA can't help along. :)

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, that sounds terrible. Glad the videos at least help to keep your mood up. :o

still watching this in 2023! great video, you have helped me no end getting my A2088XT working in my 2000 :)

Used to have an Amiga 500 with the Vortex ATonce. That was a good system when I got it. Thanks for the video. Memories

Nice video :) I ordered a 5.25" floppy drive and a2088xt bridgeboard for my A2000 some time ago, and I am looking forward to installing it :)

Well done Jan Beta. That was a fantastic dash back to 1988 and then back to the future with Planet X.

Few got there in the end. Great video. Thanks

Great video Jan =D Seems these are a bit painful to setup! Have a great Christmas!

Great videos! I loved my Amiga 😊

Modular is such a smart way to do things, this was way ahead of its time as always!

I was going to make lunch but the suspense of whether it was going to work kept me glued to the screen! Now I am very hungry 😄 but it was worth it. It must have been a frustrating experience for you but it looks like you have re-discovered a new dimension in the Amiga. Great fun. 🎅🎄✨👍

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, sorry for delaying your lunch. Happy new year Pauline! :)

So I ended up setting up a GoTek floppy emulator for my 2088 bridgeboard. My Amiga 2000 has 2 GotTek drives (1 for amiga, 1 for bridgeboard) and 1 physical floppy drive. All seems to work well. It is really nice using the GoTek for the bridgeboard, especially when looking to have a "compatible" disk image or drive. To make your own image if needed and away you go.

"We have four capacitors here, but I'm going to leave them alone..." Who are you and what have you done with Jan Beta?

Jan, all I can say is that this is the best DOScember video so far. Awesome job. I was excited to see DOS running on a Amiga. One thing that confuses me is why did they call that an emulator card. It doesn't appear to have any emulation as the PC Card is essentially self sufficient for the most part. It looks like the only part of the Amiga it shared was the keyboard, mouse, and video. Once again, great content.

@CastleFamilyThe

3 жыл бұрын

Because it still ‘emulates’ a DOS PC in the relative term, just like FPGA is still emulating something just not in software.

Very interesting, thanks for posting!

Next year, can you do a DECember with DEC VAX systems and such?

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Shhh, there’s a DECember video coming up from another participant. ;)

@misterkite

3 жыл бұрын

Oooh. I've got a Dec vt320 hooked up to a raspberry pi.. does that count?

One of those 8 bit ISA slots is begging for an Adlib card :) Then Planet X3 will really jam. Really enjoyed seeing how this literally bridged the Amiga world to PC, thanks!

Cool! The faraday FE2010 chipset is also used on the Commodore PC10/20-III.

Very funny video, I totally enjoyed it ! Well done !

This one worked very well for me, being able to run Turbo Pascal for example. I whish I had the A2386 card together with a VGA card. To change between Amiga and PC with a mouseclick was awesome.

I had a software PC emulator on my A500. It wasn’t great but allowed me to save text files down to DOS formatted disks so I could do my college work at home.

@3vi1J

3 жыл бұрын

I had the same Transformer software on my Amiga 1000. Paired with the Amiga 5 1/4" drive, it was a decent solution to get around simply school assignments.

@theseob

3 жыл бұрын

I think there was also a a500 expensionboard that goes in the bottom of the a500 that also supported xt pc support

Wonderful stuff Jan

Great video. Now I want a bridge card for my A2000.

The startup chime you got when you restarted the bridgeboard sounds exactly like the old PET 8032 startup sound :)

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, I was wondering about that. They used the PET chime in the Commodore PCs, too, then. Nice detail! :)

this is like the ancestor of the modern virtual machines, made with actual hardware and some software, this is so cool omg 😭💗

@Boostland

2 жыл бұрын

I had the A2286 with a 386sx running windows 3 and mac system 7 with AmaxII+ in my A3000 It could run 3 operating systems at the same time

Great Cod! It blows my mind !! 🔥🔥🎄

Ah this is something I seriously considered back in the day - getting an Amiga 2000 and such a bridge board - if I was to go into Computer Science back in the day. I ended up going to medical school so that was all thrown out of the window. :P

I've always liked cards like this. Like the Apple dos compatibility card, and the more powerful PCI versions, and the ones by Orange Micro all for running DOS and Windows on a Mac using basically a full PC on a card.

Nice Job - fun to see you get your feet wet with DOS - I watched the zoom meeting, and they really did kind of -voluntold- you this would make a great project, but I am really happy you ran with it. (if anyone is interested - it's "volunteer / voluntell / voluntold " - as I have seen folks volunteer, been around while folks were being voluntell'ed, and past tense is voluntold...) LOL GREAT JOB JAN for not giving up!!!

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, they talked me into it. But as I said I wanted to try the Bridgeboard anyway, just didn’t think of doing it for DOScember. I’m glad I did it, definitely brought back some memories. :)

This is the second channel to cover the 2088 for doscember. I'm hoping somebody covers the A2386SX or one of the Golden Gate cards. They're neat as you can get them up to 486 level with a 486SLC (ideally the IBM ones with the 16kb L1 cache that actually made it pretty quick).

Happy Holidays!

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Same to you! :)

Merry Christmas

Really enjoyed it, thanks very much.

Neat I havent seen a 8088 card running a while. Im lucky enough that I have a 386dx card in my amiga 2000 tower. Works really well for old gaming. Its nice having multiple pcs in a single case. Get your hands on an emplant sometime then you can run ms dos amiga os and macos all at the same time :)

Geiles Ding! Bleib gesund, min Jung :)

i have 2 of this, one of them have cpu and ram upgrade. thanks for video, now i know how to install this in my amiga 2000

Danke Jan für dieses video das zeigt der jüngeren generation was es hiess mit einem computer umzugehen ,denn heute ist dank windows un co alles viel unkomplizierter und verlangt vom user viel weniger arbeit

Hi Jan. Nice video! Even though I'm more of an Atari ST person I'm quite impressed about all the options and the bridge mechanism. I had a hardware 286 emulator on my Atari 1040ST back in 1989 (I think) that I had to solder directly onto each leg of the 68000 CPU! ; it was just a small board with a 286 compatible CPU and a few supporting chips. It was using the Atari RAM (640k of it), graphics, etc. so I don't think you could switch between Atari and PC. Frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr an euch alle!

@MarkTheMorose

3 жыл бұрын

There was a hardware emulator for the Atari ST (and possibly Amiga?) by a German company called Vortex, could it have been that? [Vortex ATonce, perhaps?]

@jorgwalther2665

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarkTheMorose Not sure, possibly. I wish I could remember.

@jorgwalther2665

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarkTheMorose Having checked again I think it was a PC-Speed or AT-Speed from German Sack-Electronics. wiki.newtosworld.de/index.php?title=AT-Speed

It is amazing there are still examples in the wild

I really enjoyed this, albeit a few weeks out of DOScember. I dreamed of such a machine in the 90s and if my memory serves me correctly, some kind of case I could put my A1200 into and turn into a kind of super cross-platform machine. I am still fascinated by cross platform computers from the 80s and 90s, so more of this please!

@jpunyedvideorestorations9347

Жыл бұрын

Amiga 1200 can be a nice Hackintosh well into the 7.0.6 era

@CubicleNate

Жыл бұрын

@@jpunyedvideorestorations9347 that would be fun to do!

My friend back in the 80s couldn't get his Bridgeboard working. Good job, Jan :-). Put Word and Excel on there :-).

Fantastic video! I would not been able to pull that off i think

Thanks for the video. Not sure if DOS deserves this much attention :P

I used to have MS-Dos working on my Amiga 500, and word, and multiplan.

I enjoyed, many thanks!

Awesome I use to have an Amiga 2000hd with a 286xt bridge board in it.

This kind of reminds me of the other non-PC Commodore computer with a PC processor in it: the 128, with CP/M, of course! It's pretty interesting when different kinds of computers are combined into one unit!

thanks for the video, i have the same board. bought it ages ago but i couldnt find any amigas to fit it on so i got a zorro2 board for my a1200 but the project has sat about 20 years now. someday though :D

Amazing video id love to see some benchmarks and some utility uses of if like transferring between pc and Amiga etc if pt

That was a great video, thanks.

I used to run PC-Task on my A1200/030 and it ran MS-DOS software very smoothly.

Very interesting video.

Looks good :)

I had the 8088 bridge installed back in the early days, and was disappointed with it. The biggest reason was, that I was a hard nosed Amiga user, and didn't really need to use the PC side for anything. I bought it installed in a used A2000, so I can't say I had a lot invested in the board. I also have a 286 board, and was foolish enough to buy and install DOS 5 when it was newly released. What a disappointment that was! That was the last MS product I purchased for a very long time. Thanks for the interesting video, and taking the time to actually get the board working properly.

most tech youtubers on december 2020: running x86 pc software on the m1 macbook Jan Beta: running dos on the amiga

Would loved to have had that back in the day!

I used to want one of these so bad! I had/have an Amiga 1000 with a third-party sidecar that gave it two Amiga 2000 slots. I always wanted to get this and put it in the second slot next to my 8MB memory expansion board. But, I just made due with the (slow) Transformer software emulation until jumping to PCs instead.

AMIGA OMg this bring back memory, i got a 20meg smartstor(harddrive) for the Amiga a1200 and it cost a bomb back then. alway want A4000 but never able to afford one :(

I love how the retro you tubers colaborate so much and complement each other. Always linking to each others channels and not wanting to repeat videos that have already been done. Not likely to see a pay per view boxing fight between RMC and Adrians digital basement or beef between Jan Beta and Noels Retro lab. lol

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

We all get along pretty well indeed. The retro scene is awesome and really helpful (well, at least the vast majority).

@erikberg7891

3 жыл бұрын

You all seem like well-adjusted adults who just want to learn and explore and share knowledge about and experiences with these old ... oops ... RETRO systems that those of us of a certain age were fortunate to use during our youth.

I have the Amiga 2000 with 386At Card since ca 1991 . It was a nice Time! :)

Interesting that it says "emulator," because it was my understanding that if your package is made up of the exact hardware, then it's not emulating anything.

@bozimmerman

3 жыл бұрын

Thought the same thing, but then I wondered what I would have called the little program you have to run to get the interface into it? Terminal program is closest, but also confusing. *shrug*

@HelloKittyFanMan.

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, @@bozimmerman, I'm not sure if that's what you wonder or not. I can't answer your question of if that's what you wondered, because I'm not a mind reader. Maybe you should just _tell_ me if you wonder. ;-)

OK, my jaw dropped when you got X3 running on it. That was cool. And I loved that Commodore gave us CrossDos in OS 3.x. I used it with a couple of floppies I set aside specifically to move files from my old Tandy 1000 to my A500. It was even better when I got a high density floppy for my A500. Dropped that into my Bodega Bay case and I was in heaven! Jan, I also noticed you had discord on your Mac there. Do you run a discord? If so, how would one get on it if one was interested. And, I can't wait till Amiga April!!

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

The discord is pretty much supporters only at this point, to keep it small and friendly. :)

I remember running this cards when they where new...just makes me think how old I am in terms of tech experiences :)

I had one of these briefly before moving onto the 286 version for a few weeks with an A2000. Never worked properly unfortunately, so ended my Amiga ownership until 3 decades later!

nice video.... greetings from Mexico.

I used to have a Amiga 2000 with A2088 Bridgeboard, my biggest regret was to sell them :o( I used the Bridgeboard to run the PCB making software called TraXedit.

Mmmmmh, maybe I should try to make a video of my Atari Mega ST with PC-Speed emulator, now that I managed to get it back in. A video of me setting up the thing and get it to run etc. I loved it and it helped me a lot during my studies. It allowed me to work on my programs at home and didn't need to queue for access on the Uni PC's. The lucky thing was that the Uni-PC were Olivetti-M24 computer which had an extended CGA with 640x400 resolution. PC-Speed on the Atari-ST was able to emulate this resolution with its tight SM-124 monitor. This allowed me to tinker the code in Turbo pascal 3 to use this "special" resolution, making the graphical programs we had to write so much better looking. Good times.

I guess two OK buttons on an Amiga error message are better than one?

I don't know if somebody remembers PC-Ditto, the PC experience at another level!

Now here is the most important question: Will you retrobrite that manual?

@sheep1ewe

3 жыл бұрын

I know it was a joke, but Is that even possible? ha ha!

@catriona_drummond

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheep1ewe It's technically possible. It is usually done in book and archival restauration and similiar areas. It's ludicrously complicated though, because you need to make the pages wet and bleach them with a mix of chemicals that perfectly suits the type of paper used and then you need to heavily press it while drying so it becomes flat again. For amateurs with no proper bookbinder/restauration equipment it's likely impossible.

@sheep1ewe

3 жыл бұрын

@@catriona_drummond Ok, it had been genuinly interesting to actualy do that, but i think i will begin with the old fasion iron for my 80s Commodore manuals... ha ha

@catriona_drummond

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheep1ewe My father is a bookbinder, that's why I am a bit demanding regarding the results :D

@sheep1ewe

3 жыл бұрын

@@catriona_drummond Ah, that sounds awsome! If i tried my self i would probably just mess them up, ha ha

I bought my 2000 when it came out with the intention of having the Amiga and PC all in one case. However it quickly became apparent that it was more economical to just build a PC clone with the additional bonus of not having to deal with getting the bridgeboard to even work!!!

24:11 "Free screws!" I suggest this advertisement to a friend who had 500 old cassette tapes of music to give away :)

@DrDavesDiversions

3 жыл бұрын

This phrase will also cause your craiglist ad to get way more attention. ;)

Hey Jan, total informatives cooles Video. da ich auch noch so eine Brückenkarte (fast die gleiche) habe werde ich sie mal ausprobieren. Da hast du mir sozusagen apetit gemacht. Ich hatte damals sogar eine hdd mit dazu, die ich noch habe. Sie wird sicherlich nicht mehr gehen...who knows. Ich hoffe ich kann dich Fragen fragen. Von Jan zu Jan ;-) Have a nice X-Mas

IT was tested with Microsoft Flight SIm during development to ensure hardware compatiblity. Give it a 8087 if you can find one!

This is great 😁

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

Ha, that little secondary boot chime sounds just like the PET's boot sound!

Great interplatform retrovideo

Back in '93 a coworker on Edwards AFB had a very nice Amiga 500 setup in his dorm room. He had installed a side-car hard drive with a 286 emulator card inside. Although I never got a demonstration of it's use, he stated that it was 'good enough' for his limited PC uses. That pre-installed 286 board must have been tiny compared to the one you are installing in your 2000 as it had to form-fit the hard drive/A500 case-edge. Doubt it could do much past the most basic of applications.

That was a fun watch. I was tempted to ask if any of those blue capacitors were possibly broken, that one in the corner looked really bent.

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

I‘m going to do some more work on the Bridgeboard soon, including replacing the capacitors. I think they are fine, just some basic decoupling as far as I can see, but they are definitely ooold. ;)

@BBHexKey

3 жыл бұрын

@@JanBeta are you going to replace them with electrolytic caps or tantalum? Probably would be better to go with the latter, you likely won't have to do it again for as long as you own the card.

Great to see the A2000 again. You haven't done anything with it in ages.

Nice video about that PC bridgesboard. I knew they existed back in the 80-ies. Never seen one in action. My closest experience was PC Task 3.1 on my accelerated Aniga 1200 (with blizzard 030 50mhz) never had any use for that. I also follow the 8 bit guy amd saw him develop that game. ( he did some previews) nice to see you actually playing it. But now the real question. can you play doom on it? Greetings from the Netherlands Marcel

I had the same brackets on my commodore pc-1 back in the day 🙂

@JanBeta

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, interesting! Maybe the drive came from another Commodore device then. At least it kind of stays in the family then. :)