Mr. Keeble Explains - Sharpening A Knife on a Grind Stone
Today we are re-sharing our most popular KZread video ever, where Mr Keeble explains the ins and outs, and rights and wrongs of how to sharpen a knife on a grind stone.
In the video he shows how he's rigged up an "ingenious mechanical device" so he can turn the stone by himself, and we'll hazard a guess the more than a few copies of this rig have been made over the years. This video was filmed in the Norm Hutt Boat Shop at Memory Lane Heritage Village back in 2011 and now has over 160,000 views!
Head to our channel to check out more videos featuring Mr. Keeble, and meet some of his friends who also share their 1940s DIY know-how!
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That pedal is genius. I was wondering how they converted linear motion to rotary one with a simple pedal...now I see. Thank you!
@Zamolxes77
3 жыл бұрын
Me 2, I was very curious, is actually very simple.
Got some good pieces out here if your looking to buy, more inside
@danieljames7653
6 жыл бұрын
Erick idk if I should be happy or sad that I know that reference
@nucleartemptations3044
6 жыл бұрын
Daniel James where's the reference from?
@kelvinklauck
6 жыл бұрын
Nuclear Temptations skyrim
@nucleartemptations3044
6 жыл бұрын
kelvin klauck ah ok
@williambarnhartblacksmith414
6 жыл бұрын
I could forge you a war hammer that could crush a giants skull like a walnut.
Smithing skills level 100
@Venaloid
9 жыл бұрын
I noticed that Skyrim did it wrong.
@renegadeoflife87
9 жыл бұрын
Venaloid Not only that, but skyrim needs to grease the pivot points on the foot pedal to make it stop squeaking so much. It drives me nuts when playing it.
@jesseybarra3408
6 жыл бұрын
Ah skyrim
@jessenotmessy6549
3 жыл бұрын
Lol Skyrim
@pro-seriesfabrication3810
3 жыл бұрын
Gods be praised
I've wanted one of these things for years..
This was my job or one of them when I would visit my grandpa, He had an old one and id spend hours sharpening knives, chisels, blades of all types. im building one now thanks for the refresher....
Tanks very much. Very useful video for me. Looking it I could resolve problems of construction to use an old grind stone.
thank you for the video! I've just started making one
Can't argue with traditional technology. Acurate and effective without a need for electricity. A reliable method to sharpen a blade.
@firstnamelastname8865
6 жыл бұрын
S O I love old tech
Thank you sir I'm buying my first grindstone and this is very helpful
such a great video, thanks
I have a couple of them, one bigger and one smaller. I may put a foot pedal on the big one. I may even figure out how I can easily switch from foot to electric power easily. Great video
Were grindstones used for initial sharpening of forged tools? I love this video. I remember as a child looking with curiosity at my Mormon grandfather's grind stone abandoned at the back of a shed. It was quite large, about 16" x 4". The wood frame was broken and rotting away. I often wish I had saved some of these items. I also remember looking up at his spurs hanging in the mud room. How I wish I had those now!
awesome, thank you
great video I'd like to see a video on how you made your foot pedal :)
Got a little manuel stone wheel I screw on the table and turn the handle. Sharpens my sewing scissors, knives, really well. Anyway I got small tools, apart from garden shears. So it suits me.
Thanks Uncle ! :)
I've always wanted to make a handheld version
Love it!
Would this work for a carbon steel Roman Gladius? I’m trying to sharpen mine.
Could you do more vd about that grind tone. I love your vd too much
My grandfather was born in 1921 in deep south east Ga in the okefenokee swamp. I grew up hearing how everything was done back in those days my grandfather plowed with 2 mules
Which stone you are using ? Grit size ? Material ?
Can u put edge facing down while doing this that way the water won’t run over blade
Where can I buy that grinding wheel set up?
I actually use this instead of a belt sander because from what ive seen it yeilds the same results and it gives exercise
@Zamolxes77
3 жыл бұрын
It also doesn't cost electricity, so the process is free.
How do you store the grind stone? One of my old ones(from the fifties) has cracked. I don't understand why. I still have another one that's been outside for maybe 40 years but without any cracks. I've never let the stone stand with the water container filled. It just cracked. All the way through. :(
@nobob268
2 жыл бұрын
Keep in a shed and away from frost?
I have one of these but a stand up one is it worth anything?
Where to buy this wheel stone
Having something with water under the wheel so it's partly submerged would work too
@AFatherToTheFatherless
Жыл бұрын
Damn you're smart
I use a Tormek T8, and often think about the people that sharpened with grindstones throughout history. It's humbling to know I'm using a barely modernized process that was created 1000's of years ago. I sharpen edge leading as Mr. Keeble does, hone on a leather wheel, and finish deburring on a hanging Kangaroo Tail leather strop.
@ryanbeard1119
9 ай бұрын
What's your experience with stones needing to maintain fragility with the fast types of sharpening-edge thinning machinery
@mitch3384
9 ай бұрын
@@ryanbeard1119 Sorry Ryan, I don't understand your question - in what way do you mean 'maintain fragility'? Also if you can give me examples of which fast types of machinery you're talking about that would help.
@ryanbeard1119
9 ай бұрын
@mitch3384 do you need a minimum surface speed on the wheel to prevent the wheel from becoming glazed smooth over, or clogging w steel. Without having to use harder things to dress the wheel. just obsessed. I got an sharpener I probably have to get a better motor for it. I want like 8.5 revolution s per second not 1
@ryanbeard1119
9 ай бұрын
@@mitch3384 I meant, friability, keeping the stone open so it cutts
True Legacy !
Wish I had one
Nice 😄👍🏻
ΠΟΛΥ ΩΡΑΙΟ !!!!!!
That’s the first time I’ve seen someone use one of those. What’s the stone’s grit range?
@vagabond4576
4 жыл бұрын
This is old school. No one measures this shit.
1:12 i also use it for my axe.... your Two-Handed and Smithing skill levels must be too high!
Memory Lane Heritage Village I recently acquired a purpose built treadle grinding wheel but it is a bit out of round. Do you have any tips on how to true it up? Thanks for the fun video!
@MemoryLaneHeritageVillage
9 жыл бұрын
InformationIsTheEdge Mr. Keeble replies: 1:Turn it slower and the out-of-roundness should not affect your edge or2: Take a heavy file and hold it against the high spot (lay it flat on the material holding the bearings) and have a strong person rotate the wheel fast while you slowly wear away the high spot. Change around every fifteen minutes or until you decide it is time to have a beer. Happy grinding!
@InformationIsTheEdge
9 жыл бұрын
Memory Lane Heritage Village Wow! Please thank Mr. Keeble for the excellent suggestions! I think I am going to try the latter for the dual advantage of having a true spinning wheel AND a beer when I'm finished! Thank you again for the excellent video and the great tips!
@OldSneelock
6 жыл бұрын
Having a slight hop in the wheel is annoying but usable. I prefer to have grinding wheels clean straight and round. My first treadle grindstone was very out of round and had several chips in the surface. I needed to take off about a half inch off the diameter to get it concentric. With a diamond wheel on my DeWalt angle grinder I was able to true it up quickly. ruvid.net/video/treadle-grinder-part-xvi-power-dressing-the-wheel-6BtOtYTU6WA.html#
I have a grindstone myself but it doesn't take well to water and is a lighter color. I haven't been able to figure out what kind of stone it is. anybody have any ideas?
@thepope2412
5 жыл бұрын
I know this is late but it's probably an oil stone if it doesn't like water
Deadric Sword(Legendary)
My neighbor has a huge wheel & I want to sharpen my knives on it as well as her grandmother knives she has. Neighbor is in her late 80s. I've seen 1 of her deceased relatives using it but he left before I could get close to watch him using it.
Last time i seen this was on old cartoons. It would be handy were the grid to go down.
what kind of stone is that? and where do i find one?
@randyames992
6 жыл бұрын
It's sandstone but don't leave it emerssed in water as the water will erode it
I have seen others use it in reverse and it actually works well that way
I like to know about the pedal powered system. What the peda lcalled
@Thelonelyscavenger
7 жыл бұрын
Kairabi Mumun treadle
@randyames992
6 жыл бұрын
It's called a treadle the same as an old fashioned sewing machine
anybody know where i could purchase one of these?
@ShinKyuubi
5 жыл бұрын
I know I'm PROBABLY gonna regret this since I've been wanting one but...I know your comment is old and I don't know if you found one yet but if you haven't I found a hand crank one on Etsy for a little over 120 bucks..you'd have to do like he did in the vid and rig up your own peddle but so far outside of making your own that's the only place I found one for sell other than a antique one on Ebay that already has a peddle but it's over 300 bucks there. I hope that helps.
@pro-seriesfabrication3810
3 жыл бұрын
Make one...need a frame, some pillow blocks, etc. A welder, a band saw, and some time and you could knock one out in a couple of hours
@DynomitePunch
3 жыл бұрын
@@ShinKyuubi omg youtube never notified me of your responce lol thanks man, i'll check etsy, a year late, but we'll see lol
@DynomitePunch
3 жыл бұрын
@@pro-seriesfabrication3810 thanks dude, i'll look into the stuff to make it
@Zamolxes77
3 жыл бұрын
@@pro-seriesfabrication3810 The rock is the difficult part. You need a special sandstone I believe.
Turning wheel opposite from the shown is a major no no, why? Because it is safer?
@alfredofettuccine9425
4 жыл бұрын
Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out (hanging burrs). You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time...
@LvPatriot1
4 жыл бұрын
@@alfredofettuccine9425 Thanks for information. Have a nice day.
Wouldn't it be easier to water the stone from the bottom? Slide a bread pan or a window box under the stone, so that the edge of the stone is just inside the container, and then fill it with water?
Why must the wheel spin towards you with the cutting edge up, what not the opposite
The direction of the wheel is not critical. I have used wheels that move towards and away, both work just fine. I prefer the wheel going away on faster moving wheels as it is safer and less likely to damage the tool & wheel.
@JayKayDanks
5 жыл бұрын
After seeing a first year cooking student seriously cut themselves using a honing steel I would definitely tell anyone who's just starting to work with blades to always point it away from themselves.
@alfredofettuccine9425
4 жыл бұрын
Tony Y Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out. You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time...
@youcanthandlethetruth6976
3 жыл бұрын
@@alfredofettuccine9425 Thank you for mentioning this, I always wondered why the grindstone must be rotating towards you.
You always sharpen with the sharp edge, not against it , you risk damaging the blade otherwise
@ImprovisedSurvival
8 жыл бұрын
+Andy Dunn What about hanging burrs?
@TheInnerDINNER
8 жыл бұрын
strop on a piece of leather
@rosalyn8376
6 жыл бұрын
Sharping
@justincase4382
4 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhhhhh no
@O3GFY
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being the only other one that noticed he had his blade the wrong direction. Sharpening on a stone is supposed to simulate the same direction as a strop.
They say “keep your nose to the grindstone” comes from this contraption. Interesting
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I disagree. Have the rock go the other way is better. You aren't digging your edge straight into any imperfections. Also you are less likely to rip out chunks of the stone. Also it does not push the knife down like it did for you.
@ReasonAboveEverything
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It's easier to keep the knife steady by pulling it than pushing.
@shockwave6213
7 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same too. As long as the stone or belt is running perpendicular to the blade edge, it's good. I still hate seeing those garbage pull through "sharpeners" all over
Under the grindstone it is necessary to substitute a bath with water - so do in Russia
How the hell does one make such a stone by hand?
Okay I don't know where you got the idea that you should have the wheel turning toward you when sharpening a blade, but no. Just no. You do not _EVER_ do that with a rotary grinding wheel of any kind. You _always_ have that wheel turning _away_ from you, because if your grip is wrong or your hand slips whatever it is you're sharpening is going to come flying right at you. I cannot stress this enough, as an experienced welder and metalworker, NEVER HAVE THE GRINDING WHEEL SPINNING TOWARD YOU!
@jreimer_30
Жыл бұрын
Yep i gotta agree with you in that one
@dudeistpriest787
Жыл бұрын
@@jreimer_30 I've seen people have bad accidents doing just what that man is doing. All it takes is for that blade to catch the wheel or your hand to slip... it gets ugly fast.
@JoshPalmer-kg6ow
6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but for whatever reason, Cobbler grinding machines also rotate downward towards you. That's just how they're designed. I believe it allows you to see what you're doing better. All I'm saying is that there's probably a reason he says this.
@dudeistpriest787
6 ай бұрын
@@JoshPalmer-kg6ow Only cobbler grinding machine I could find is a shoe cobbler's grinding machine, which is not even kind of relevant to what I'm saying and I'm not sure why you thought it is. I am sure that you're right that he has a reason for saying it, I just don't care what his reason is because it isn't a valid reason: *_It is not safe for ANY reason_* to have a grinding wheel turning toward the user when you're sharpening a blade, a tool edge, or putting a point on something.
Hi. Can I use this video for my private matters I need to take pictures from it and edit it via photoshop. If you give me your e mail I will explain you. I am sharpening knives in Israel.
ii heard a chest sound at 0:19 or 0:20
Keep trying for them kids
skyrim!!!
Do you know there's not a single video of how those things were made? Every idiot has a video making a stand for one they found or bought, but no one anywhere seems to remember how grindstones are made. Lost to time, like concrete to the later Republic Roman's. :(
@mikeyjohnson5888
5 жыл бұрын
what? kzread.info/dash/bejne/ka5rtsWhfK--p9o.html found in 2 seconds of googling. To put simply, it is basically just stone carving and polishing. Once you get to the point of a workable disc shape, you can rotate and polish as necessary. Google says grindstones were typically made with sandstone but any abrasive material(i.e cement silica mixture) would do.
@ISUBAJA
5 жыл бұрын
thats funny becasue the video linked by Mikey Johnson you commented 8 months ago... troll
@chadsellers4292
5 жыл бұрын
Uh Tormek?
Knife edge down. You’ll damage blade if you do it this way. Been a knife maker for 60 years.....know the difference.
@alfredofettuccine9425
4 жыл бұрын
Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out (hanging burrs). You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time. Sorry to tell you, but you’ve been doing it wrong for 60 years...
Him and the mrs haven't had any children yet!! Heck he,s leaving it a bit late lol.
Red Dead
The stone should be in a well of water as opposed to pouring water on it. You should always grind the edge by sharpening with the cutting-edge facing downward. This old feller risks catching the edge and either damaging the blade or a nasty cut.......or both.
@TobiasDeml
5 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought too - this way, the grindstone can splinter pieces off the blade and hit the sharp edge frontally rather than rubbing by from the opposite direction.
Unfortunately, his claim that the blade should face into the wheel is incorrect. There is no worse way to sharpen or grind a blade than that. Always sharpen away from you, and the blade should also face away from you. You get better control, and a far better edge. He is also, not using anywhere near enough water.
@Jam-jt3gy
4 жыл бұрын
you couldn't be more wrong.
@alfredofettuccine9425
4 жыл бұрын
Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out (hanging burrs). You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time...
@peterross97
4 жыл бұрын
@@alfredofettuccine9425 And THAT, is why you use a strop.
@peterross97
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jam-jt3gy LOL. Sorry, but no. On a dry, slow moving wheel, you can have it turn towards you. Never on a wet wheel. The idea is that you want to "polish" the edge. With it turning towards you, you bring the worn away pieces back along the cutting edge of the blade. Effectively doing more damage. Turning away clears the debris, allowing the stone to do more work, in a shorter period of time. And the added benefit is avoiding a lap full of water.