MPX Filter - What does it actually filter?

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Investigating the oft-misunderstood button or switch found on many high-end cassette decks: the MPX filter. What does it actually do? How come it usually seems to have no audible effect? Let's find out.
Another mystery is the Beat Cut switch found on many boomboxes and integrated stereo systems: • That weird switch whic...
Time flow:
0:00 Introduction
2:32 RTFM
3:55 Pilot tone
5:50 FM transmitter test
9:24 What it doesn't do
10:10 Effect on audio quality?
12:01 Not always necessary
13:29 Conclusion
#cassette #audiophile #RetroTech

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  • @xaverlustig3581
    @xaverlustig35817 ай бұрын

    In my teens I could hear the 19 kHz tone, so audiophiles aren't exactly wrong. But most of them are older than that. :)

  • @Very_Dark_Engineer

    @Very_Dark_Engineer

    7 ай бұрын

    Same thing, but now i cant hear 19 kHz becouse of age

  • @gammaboost

    @gammaboost

    7 ай бұрын

    I'm a teen and my hearing barely goes above 17khz 😢. Used to be 18khz not long ago, dunno what happened because I look after my hearing.

  • @murlocblue

    @murlocblue

    7 ай бұрын

    @@gammaboost Ageing, that's what is happening... I took a professional test as a kid, and I could hear up to 20khz. Now, at 25, I can hear up to 18 maybe 19 if I sit in complete silence...

  • @jmi5969

    @jmi5969

    7 ай бұрын

    I couldn't: my hearing in late teens cut off at no more than 16 kHz. Anyway, there were no FM stations anywhere around (but we did quite a lot of electronics DIY). Then, at 24 years, I was struck by pneumonia and lost hearing, almost completely. And then a very competent postdoc medic used me as a guinea pig for her studies... and brought my hearing sensitivity to norm and frequency range up to 26 kHz. Yes, I could hear quite a lot above 20 kHz - but then, it only showed up on test tones. The "opening" did not reveal any "previously unheard" sounds, natural or man-made. It did not last long though, and in one year frequency response fell back to around same 16 kHz. 30+ years later I can barely hear 10 kHz in the morning (much worse later in the day).

  • @jdekong3945

    @jdekong3945

    7 ай бұрын

    Be careful with headphones and avoid loud noises, I find that the ears response is not always constant and varies slightly from day to day so dont panic 😸

  • @DeathInTheSnow
    @DeathInTheSnow7 ай бұрын

    I appreciate you taking the time to incorporate every conceivable feature in your videos to assure long lasting state-of-the-art performance.

  • @of5458

    @of5458

    7 ай бұрын

    Keep these videos handy for future reference.

  • @peterlv68
    @peterlv687 ай бұрын

    "Amazing dynamic range on CD's!" Only to get absolutely destroyed by the loudness wars

  • @peterlv68

    @peterlv68

    7 ай бұрын

    Yup. That's what makes digital audio great. Garbage in, garbage out.@@truesoundchris

  • @subliminalvibes
    @subliminalvibes7 ай бұрын

    You're right! 8:19 'Shweddy balls' is the best example of dynamic range you could have given us. Thank you for this hidden festive gift. 👍😎🇦🇺

  • @F40PH-2CAT
    @F40PH-2CAT7 ай бұрын

    Speaking of recording off of FM, that was routine back in the 80s. I still have several tapes recorded off the radio here in NYC from 85-88, featuring stuff from Z-100, WPLJ/WWPR and even WAPP. 35 years on, they still sound great.

  • @albinklein7680

    @albinklein7680

    7 ай бұрын

    I recently found some 70s and 80s air checks on KZread. The ones featuring Z-100 and WPLJ really gave me the chills. Damn, how I miss those times (I was born in 1970). And those old tapes reflect those times perfectly. Especially the ads included in them.

  • @jmi5969

    @jmi5969

    7 ай бұрын

    Same. My tapes were mostly Austrian broadcasts from the 1980s, but recently I acquired a crate of used Sony Fe-Cr tapes from Japan, recorded off Japanese FM in the 1970s. Sweet. Great music of all sorts, no Dolby, no hiss.

  • @dakel_videos
    @dakel_videos7 ай бұрын

    You've presented yet another fine video. Point of information: The FM (Stereo) broadcast standard specifies that transmitted audio must be between 50 Hz and 15 KHz. The absence or presence of a MPX filter would have no effect on the frequency range of a recording from FM radio, as most MPX filters didn't start their rolloff until 17 KHz.

  • @MrDuncl

    @MrDuncl

    7 ай бұрын

    I guess the key point of the feature is being able to turn it off in case your batty ears can hear 19KHz tones recorded from a CD.

  • @cdl0

    @cdl0

    5 ай бұрын

    I was hoping somebody would comment on this, because it saves me the trouble of doing it. Also noteworthy is that the equalization of FM broadcasts depends on the region. Some tuners have a switch to deal with this.

  • @kijar
    @kijar7 ай бұрын

    Watching the entire video has not been a waste. It’s fascinating and entertaining.

  • @greatquux

    @greatquux

    7 ай бұрын

    Came here to say this exact thing. And I can’t even hear above 13kHz these days!

  • @DominatorHDX
    @DominatorHDX7 ай бұрын

    Watching VWestlife videos is NEVER a waste 😅

  • @ronny332
    @ronny3327 ай бұрын

    My friends and I recorded a very popular techno/dance/trance radio show every Saturday in the 90s and we reminded each other after stepping out of the school bus, to put the right dolby system on (mostly we used B, because everybody had that setting on his deck) and MPX on, only knowing, it's needed for a better radio recording 🙂 After moving more and more to MD at the mid of the 90s, the settings were gone, and the days of "still knowing nothing and get a better result" had started.

  • @Seiskid
    @Seiskid7 ай бұрын

    A modern use for the MPX button - is recording from a modern hi-res sound card that has noise shaping. Some of these generate significant ultrasonics and these ultrasonics completely confuse dolby encoding. Its yet another reason people "don't like dolby" without actually understanding what's gone wrong. Whilst the MXP filter is centered at 19khz, it's wider than that and actually starts just above 15khz and goes well above 30khz in order to remove the entire stereo carrier. As such its perfect for cleaning up a noisy sound card.

  • @VEC7ORlt

    @VEC7ORlt

    7 ай бұрын

    Only trashiest of sound cards generate any kind of ultrasonics, we're so past these problems its not even worth discussing.

  • @dlarge6502

    @dlarge6502

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@VEC7ORltever heard of hi-res audio? Ultrasonic galore!

  • @VEC7ORlt

    @VEC7ORlt

    6 ай бұрын

    @@dlarge6502 Sure did, now demonstrate said ultrasonics.

  • @oliverlotus
    @oliverlotus7 ай бұрын

    Your cassette deck vids are the best. Long may they continue and thanks!

  • @jhonwask

    @jhonwask

    7 ай бұрын

    I envy Kevin's collection of cassette decks.

  • @marktubeie07
    @marktubeie077 ай бұрын

    Apart from the MPX info, I adore your collection of decks - so nice !

  • @VinylTV33

    @VinylTV33

    7 ай бұрын

    Ya, I'm pretty jealous about his collection too!

  • @KylerBro12
    @KylerBro127 ай бұрын

    congratulations on hitting 200K subscribers!

  • @frankowalker4662
    @frankowalker46627 ай бұрын

    My old FM tuner had MPX Filter stamped on the front, I often wondered what it meant. Cheers 👍

  • @v12alpine
    @v12alpine7 ай бұрын

    I could hear a difference on the test at the end. It doesn't look or sound like a 19k notch filter, it's a lowpass shelf around 15k

  • @baseddoggie

    @baseddoggie

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm all for dunking on over the top audiophiles, but I think vwestlife's hearing might not be what it used to be. I could hear a pretty strong difference between both, and considering YT audio is like 128kbs, the uncompressed one might be even more noticeable 🤷‍♂

  • @VinylTV33
    @VinylTV337 ай бұрын

    I had a high end Yamaha deck when I was 20 or so, and at the time, I could hear up to 20K, according to tests. It could record up to that frequency, or higher on Metal tapes. Having the switch for MPX was necessary in that case. With it on, I could hear the loss in those high frequencies on some songs, like Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes, which has hi-hats that do produce very high frequencies. Unfortunately, I can barely hear the hi-hats in that song at all anymore. I never checked with a spectrum analyzer, but with the MPX on, I could hear those hi-hats lose some zing back then. Today, I miss those frequencies. I can remember what they sounded or felt like back then, and now they're gone.

  • @gammaboost

    @gammaboost

    7 ай бұрын

    You were lucky, most teens can't even hear more then 17-18khz

  • @cdl0

    @cdl0

    5 ай бұрын

    You would not hear any difference if you recorded off a FM radio broadcast, which is 50 Hz -- 15 kHz only, by international agreement.

  • @MacPoop
    @MacPoop7 ай бұрын

    Mmmmmm! Denon. Nakamichi. Tapes. 1980's. Audible latching relay clacks. These are a few of my favorite things 😁

  • @Narayan_1996
    @Narayan_19967 ай бұрын

    That Laser tape is a true warrior, lasting for so long, also thank you for your amazing videos, my dinner is way better when I can watch you, Kevin ♥

  • @BroadcastBlueprint
    @BroadcastBlueprint7 ай бұрын

    This is great! I might have to put together a deeper dive on how FM multiplexing works and why you can still run HD Radio even if you have an additional SCA program.

  • @dewdude

    @dewdude

    7 ай бұрын

    HD exists outside the channel. It is literally extra sidebands within the adjacent frequency.

  • @davidg4288
    @davidg42887 ай бұрын

    I found another use for the MPX filter years ago, I found certain albums and definitely certain CD's that would produce distortion on the cymbals on the tape recording. I fooled with bias and levels which was little help. I tried using Dolby it it's various forms or no Dolby at all. It was still distorted. I tried another cassette deck, that one did it too. I tried a reel to reel deck, that still had the cymbal distortion to a lesser degree. I finally tried the MPX filter, and that almost completely eliminated the problem. Apparently there were high frequency signals(s) in the audio that became nonlinear on tape. The cassette decks were a Sony and a Sansui, the reel to reel was an Akai. I *think* the CD was "Octopus" by Gentle Giant but there were others. Some vinyl LP's had the problem too to a lesser extent. I can''t set this up for testing as none of my tape machines actually work any more.

  • @seacampal1425

    @seacampal1425

    7 ай бұрын

    The first CD version of "Octopus" was ultra agressive on highs; unlistenable.

  • @davidg4288

    @davidg4288

    7 ай бұрын

    @@seacampal1425 That makes sense. I assumed there was some ultrasonic content there, I guess it wasn't ultrasonic to everyone! Maybe it did to your ears what it did to my tapes. I could hear a TV horizontal back in the day (15750 Hz) but never could hear the FM pilot (19000 Hz).

  • @seacampal1425

    @seacampal1425

    7 ай бұрын

    @@davidg4288 I think "Octopus" was mixed and mastered for vinyl ( RIAA) and not for CD.

  • @medicman4444
    @medicman44447 ай бұрын

    Watching new videos and learning things from you is never a waste! thank you for teaching me something that I didn't know or would have never known about my Kenwood stack that I now have

  • @LazerJass
    @LazerJass7 ай бұрын

    I was about to write how much I love these meticulous show and tells even though I'm familiar with most old world technology before the ending so no, absolutely no time wasted

  • @beotheguitarist
    @beotheguitarist7 ай бұрын

    Wow. I had no idea what the MPX filter was for. I really appreciate the explanation!

  • @sprint955st
    @sprint955st7 ай бұрын

    I must remember to tell my 15 year old self to use the MPX filter when recording on my TDK DC-90 tapes, on my older brother’s Panasonic slab music centre, from London pirate radio stations when I go back in time 40 years. Thanks for the heads up!

  • @TorontoJon
    @TorontoJon7 ай бұрын

    1:00 I knew that the tape deck on top had to be made by Philips because I have a matching Philips 5-disc carousel CD player deck with the same industrial design with buttons jutting out from underneath. I also like the "bubble" or "pill" windows of your Philips cassette deck which give it a distinctive look. :)

  • @ceticobr
    @ceticobr7 ай бұрын

    VWestlife answering questions I've had for 30+ years.

  • @jdekong3945
    @jdekong39457 ай бұрын

    Not sure I ever owned a deck with MPX filter, thanks for the video, happy belated thanksgiving Kevin 😸🥂

  • @Caltash
    @Caltash7 ай бұрын

    I always enjoy your posts, especially the ones about lesser known features on audio equipment. That brings me to the question: how many component tape decks do you have?

  • @vwestlife

    @vwestlife

    7 ай бұрын

    Too many.

  • @ralphreinhardt6020

    @ralphreinhardt6020

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@vwestlifewrong, correct answer would be. Not enough. 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @andriealinsangao613

    @andriealinsangao613

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@ralphreinhardt6020I like your way of thinking!

  • @ralphreinhardt6020

    @ralphreinhardt6020

    4 ай бұрын

    @@andriealinsangao613 great minds think alike ! 😎👍

  • @segarallychampionship702
    @segarallychampionship7027 ай бұрын

    1:08 The sound of the JVC deck brings me joy. I had a lower end model of the same generation, the TD-X335

  • @Aimede
    @Aimede7 ай бұрын

    All my cassettes were recorded on mpx + dolby C on the hi-fi stack on my parents because manual said (and my teen brain understood) that best results were obtained with that combination. Then all my own integrated hi-fi and subsequent walkmans sported only dolby B, so genius move.

  • @netsurferx1
    @netsurferx17 ай бұрын

    And the crazy thing is: You only demonstrated Dolby & MPX filtering on Dolby B. I'd imagine it'd sound unbelievably good (possibly near CD quality) with Dolby C & MPX filtering.

  • @vwestlife

    @vwestlife

    7 ай бұрын

    The MPX filter does still have an effect on Dolby C, but not nearly as much as with Dolby B.

  • @adriansdigitalbasement
    @adriansdigitalbasement7 ай бұрын

    This was so awesome. Thanks for the thorough explanation amd demonstration. I do have to ask, did you know about the 19khz pilot tone and MPX filter back in the 80s as well?

  • @vwestlife

    @vwestlife

    7 ай бұрын

    No, I was too young back then (I'm younger than every Backstreet Boy except Nick Carter). I think I first learned about the pilot tone when I recorded FM radio into my Sound Blaster 16 card and wondered why there was a spike at 19 kHz on the spectrum analyzer display of my audio player program.

  • @adriansdigitalbasement

    @adriansdigitalbasement

    7 ай бұрын

    @ vwestlife I asked my brother last night about the MPX button and he actually knew it was recording off FM radio. He didn't know the details of why, but I was amazed he knew the function at least and apparently had used it for his own recordings. The reason I suspected he might know is because he used to sell A/V gear back in the 80s at some boutique stereo store, and he's a nerd so he certainly read all the manuals.

  • @KC4RAE
    @KC4RAE7 ай бұрын

    Next, you'll do a video on the many systems that were proposed for FM Stereo. I've had several decks and tuners that had MPX filtering, but some of them had Hi Cut which seemed to take a lot more of the HF away than the MPX filter did and likely was meant for noise reduction more than anything. Those were usually on the amp side anyway.

  • @MVVblog
    @MVVblog7 ай бұрын

    The difference is clearly audible, and I was surprised because KZread's audio should not, under any circumstances, reproduce 19 kHz. But the MPX filter is not of the 14th order; it's already a lot if it's a 2nd order, so it kills high frequencies long before reaching 19 kHz. In fact, even with my eyes closed, I guessed when the filter was activated in the video. Anyway, congratulations on the video, beautiful as always.

  • @spikerbrad23
    @spikerbrad237 ай бұрын

    Thanks for explaining this little known feature, I always wondered what it was for and just ignored it. Now that I'm finally educated on the subject...…I guess I'll continue ignoring it.

  • @JacGoudsmit
    @JacGoudsmit7 ай бұрын

    I knew what MPX is and I knew what the filter does, but I didn't know it was because of Dolby. Interesting!

  • @macktheinterloper
    @macktheinterloper7 ай бұрын

    Bless you Kev for answering questions I never had.

  • @zorka4098
    @zorka40987 ай бұрын

    Never fully understood the purpose of the MPX filter switch until your video. Thanks for your excellent explanation. Always look forward to your videos.

  • @dhodg777
    @dhodg7777 ай бұрын

    1. Worrying about 19khz on a standard FM transmission 2. Worrying about 19khz on a cassette. Audiofools. Next, I'll be hearing about 19khz on vinyl! Appreciate the videos vwest

  • @VEC7ORlt
    @VEC7ORlt7 ай бұрын

    Thank goodness we have our lord and savior - digital audio - its so damn near perfect its amazing - no mucking with filters, tape bias, types, hiss, or even figuring out what which dolby type is and how to use it. Interesting material you got there - lets us peek into ways ppl tried to squeeze the last drops of performance.

  • @boris1986
    @boris19867 ай бұрын

    Your videos are interesting and awesome, so it's never a waste! Even if all I have is an old cheap soviet cassette deck.

  • @wgrantha4438
    @wgrantha44387 ай бұрын

    Yesterday I saw a tape recorder and wondered what MPX filter meant, and I was hoping you would do a video on one, I opened KZread today and saw this video. Thank you!

  • @timf-tinkering
    @timf-tinkering7 ай бұрын

    What an absolutely brilliant demo! Thank you!

  • @jeffreyhickman3871
    @jeffreyhickman387126 күн бұрын

    Yes!! I'm a "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" fan!! Heard on KJZZ, in Phoenix, Arizona. Your friend, Jeff.

  • @dhpbear2
    @dhpbear27 ай бұрын

    8:03 - Speaking of 'bad labeling'! :)

  • @miked4377
    @miked43777 ай бұрын

    it's never a waste watching your videos kevin....you have taught me and others I'm sure about alot of things we did not know....thanks kevin😊

  • @greenwho
    @greenwho7 ай бұрын

    When the MPX was turned on when playing the CD it made the volume sound lower to me anybody else also think SO? Great video I always wanted to know what that was for.

  • @TorontoJon
    @TorontoJon7 ай бұрын

    13:30 Time well-wasted, VWestlife. Haha! Thanks for the info regarding MPX filters because I never knew what it actually filtered and whenever I pressed the button, I couldn't hear any discernible difference. The best part was seeing a number of your cassette decks by various brands and I also acquired quite a substantial cassette deck collection thanks to eBay sellers and numerous thrift store finds (Bang & Olufsen, Nakamichi, Harman/Kardon, Tascam, Pioneer, Sony, Sansui, Technics, Toshiba, Hitachi, Akai, Aiwa, Nikko, Scott, etc.). :)

  • @seacampal1425
    @seacampal14257 ай бұрын

    Great explanation. SACD recorded on a good tape deck can triggered the Dolby circuit to if the MPX filter is not engaged. I have some bad experiences with a Rush SACD ( Conterparts) recorded with Dolby C on chrome tape in my Nakamichi BX-300: The 3 head monitoring make it so clear. The sound was extremely dull without MPX... Like a non Dolby recording decoded with Dolby. When i turn on MPX filter and Dolby B or C on monitor mode, differences are minimal. Without any Dolby encoding on SACD's no MPX filter is needed and the sound is so close to the original source but hiss can be heard on quiet passages.

  • @dutchbeef8920
    @dutchbeef89206 ай бұрын

    I always learn something new from your videos ❤️👍🏻

  • @stephenwong9723
    @stephenwong97237 ай бұрын

    Thank you, I never understand that switch before.

  • @nikolayt9350
    @nikolayt93507 ай бұрын

    Thanks for comprehensive explanation with visual examples! Superb (as usual) 👍👍

  • @mjg263
    @mjg2637 ай бұрын

    Love that picture @10:45 lol! I still have all that stuff. Always wondered about the MPX filter button, knew it had something to do with filtering out the carrier signal but I never heard the difference. FM stereo is too noisy and hissy anyway, even with a good rotating roof antenna. I usually end up recording FM in mono mode to cut the noise level if I’m recording off the radio.

  • @michaelford4460
    @michaelford44607 ай бұрын

    Brilliant video, very educational. Thank you.

  • @jimb7064
    @jimb70647 ай бұрын

    Good video. I've always wondered exactly what the MPX filter was for...

  • @KRAFTWERK2K6
    @KRAFTWERK2K67 ай бұрын

    Granted, this confused me a LOT back then too. Until i used a 3 head tapedeck and did a FM Stereo recording with Dolby C and enabled MPX filter. I was switching between MPX off and ON and realized the sound was so much better with MPX filter on. Resulting in a crystal clear tape recording of my FM Radio program i was recording. So clear, it almost made me believe i had a DAT recording. With MPX off it sounded a lot more muffled since the Dolby Noise reduction circuit thought the high pitch FM Stereo Pilot tone was a noise that was supposed to be removed. Which of course had a profound negative effect on the sound quality. Once you knew the benefit of the MPX Filter, Dolby NR recordings from Radio became a LOT more fun :)

  • @PhotoViking
    @PhotoViking7 ай бұрын

    Interesting! And cool that you showed a Sankyo tape deck. Not many even mention Sankyo. I had a Sankyo STD-3000 back in the day.

  • @TechMaxWare
    @TechMaxWare7 ай бұрын

    Watching this video wasn't a waste, because I enjoyed learning about this while stuffing down a chimichanga.

  • @raymondmartin6737
    @raymondmartin67377 ай бұрын

    Thanks 😊 for the Dolby-MPX noise reduction system, which I remember some years ago. I remember a friend who had a Marantz Stereo FM receiver that had a Dolby filter for FM reception if the station had it installed to reduce noise on FM, which never really caught on in use. 😊

  • @beverpix
    @beverpix7 ай бұрын

    There's actually a little difference in airyness if you ask me. But Im not starting discussions about it. Your vids are never a waste of time, no arguing about that either 👍

  • @chrislj2890
    @chrislj28907 ай бұрын

    4:08 That voice sure sounds like Mike Wallace. For me FM radio back in the early '70s was great, and we had WVUD from The University of Dayton to enjoy. Ran by collage kids who were probably stoned at the time, we heard music you would never hear on commercial stations. Oh yeah, learning something new is never a waste.

  • @vwestlife

    @vwestlife

    7 ай бұрын

    It is Mike Wallace.

  • @Cinemagic77
    @Cinemagic777 ай бұрын

    Thanks, no doubt this feature has been a mystery to many audio enthusiasts over the years and decades. From what you have explained and by what we can see on the spec ann, the MPX feature is a simple notch filter to notch out 19KHz, as what is present in all FM stereo broadcasts and the MPX filter simply notches that out when engaged. 19K is indeed within the audible spectrum range of healthy human hearing so it doesn't come as a surprise to me that some folks with good to exceptionally good hearing could actually hear the stereo MPX pilot tone in FM radio stations that are indeed broadcasting in stereo, nevertheless FM broadcasters are required to brickwall the high end fo their programme audio at 15K so as to prevent audio frequencies in the broadcast from interfering with the station's transmitted 19K pilot tone. The MPX filter is indeed handy to further notch out the 19K spike that might otherwise get reproduced and amplified on a high-end receiver and set of speakers.

  • @jkeelsnc
    @jkeelsnc6 ай бұрын

    I like how Mike Wallace was narrating for Zenith.

  • @MacPhantom
    @MacPhantom7 ай бұрын

    Good tuners actually often contain a better way to cancel the 19 kHz pilot tone than cassette decks. The cheapest way to implement that is by a low-pass filter. The problem is that these filters often are not steep enough and thus cut into the audible frequency range way below 19 kHz. A better way is to instead cancel out the pilot tone by literally adding another 19 kHz signal that has its phase inverted w.r.t. the original pilot tone. This is the same principle as used in active noise reduction. If done correctly, this only affects the pilot tone (not even any music signal, although FM broadcast does not reach such high frequencies).

  • @landonpool
    @landonpool7 ай бұрын

    While neither of my Kenwood decks or my JVC deck have the MPX filter switch, watching the video was certainly not a waste of time! That was very educational and interesting!

  • @subzeroarctics1299
    @subzeroarctics12997 ай бұрын

    Nah, watching your videos can never be a waste!

  • @MrDuncl
    @MrDuncl7 ай бұрын

    Watching the video was worthwhile just to see the picture of that "Hits Radio" van with the sliding doors 🙂

  • @CoolDudeClem
    @CoolDudeClem7 ай бұрын

    I've allways been curious about what that actually does. A quick google search I did many moons ago didn't bring up much in the way of usefull information. Untill now all I could tell was that it was a button that seemingly does nothing.

  • @VioletGiraffe
    @VioletGiraffe7 ай бұрын

    Great video, I appreciate the effort and level of detail you've put in. I knew the MPX filter removes some "service" FM signal, but I had no idea that signal defeats Dolby NR.

  • @paulboomer7109
    @paulboomer71097 ай бұрын

    My sansui 7070 integrated amp from the late seventies has this filter although I don't ever remember using. Great explanation thank you!

  • @Ale.K7
    @Ale.K77 ай бұрын

    Fascinating, thanks!

  • @dustinsmous5413
    @dustinsmous54137 ай бұрын

    I've worked in radio and television broadcasting on and off since the mid 90s, and I never knew the MPX filter on a cassette deck was related to stereo MPX. I always assumed it was a filter for some other Dolby system... 😂

  • @mycosys

    @mycosys

    7 ай бұрын

    Do you remember which broadcast decks had it? The 122 doesnt.

  • @moviebod
    @moviebod7 ай бұрын

    Watching your videos is never a waste. You could entertain a group of claustrophobics in a tunnel...and I do have several MPX filter buttons, as I have a cassette deck collecting problem sadly :)

  • @traxonwax
    @traxonwax6 ай бұрын

    So awesome to see the SHIT-FM pic at 8:03. There’s a story behind that. At the time, CKIX flipped from KIXX Country to top 40 with no notice. As you can imagine, people were pissed and that snafu resonated with so many people at the time. The Country moved over to 590 VOCM and eventually to 103.9 KIXX after its transition from 560AM.

  • @domosautomotive1929
    @domosautomotive19297 ай бұрын

    I never paid any attention but after watching this, I checked my Kenwood deck. It has Dolby B &C and has auto MPX.

  • @toasTr0n
    @toasTr0n7 ай бұрын

    Thanks for waiting until the end of the video to confirm that you've wasted my time. (You haven't. None of my equipment has this switch, but I've always been curious what it does.) Great video, just as good as the beat cut one. Looking forward to the next dorky video about obscure audio switches!

  • @user-re7cq3wy6r
    @user-re7cq3wy6r6 ай бұрын

    thanks for the well-explained issue

  • @brunohebert1351
    @brunohebert13517 ай бұрын

    When I see that stack of cassette decks (and I know, many are missing in that video) and then I turn around to see my pile of 8 decks that are next to me (plus the 5 others I have elsewhere), I feel better about myself.... Though I should really start shrinking that pile... ;-)

  • @elbebe1000
    @elbebe1000Ай бұрын

    WOW... great video. Please, keep up the good work.

  • @gregalss
    @gregalss7 ай бұрын

    An MPX filter on a tape deck is, at least, a notch filter that will block the 19 kHz pilot tone, and possibly higher frequencies in the 23-53kHz and 63-75kHz bands. The difference can be heard when recording from an FM stereo source and engaging and disengaging the MPX filter switch. On a three-head deck with monitoring, this can be heard while recording. The filter should not be engaged when recording from other sources, such as Compact Disc. The setting of the switch has no effect during playback. Decks with no MPX filter switch typically have a non-defeatable MPX filter incorporated in their design, which limits the overall (i.e. record to playback) frequency response to about 15-16 kHz.

  • @FranklyPeetoons
    @FranklyPeetoons7 ай бұрын

    These videos are "comfort food", even though I do not actually "eat" them in any conventional sense

  • @AMDRADEONRUBY
    @AMDRADEONRUBY7 ай бұрын

    Oh nice a new video very interesting the mpx filter button 🔘.

  • @chaindead
    @chaindead7 ай бұрын

    13:56 Damn it!

  • @ralphreinhardt6020
    @ralphreinhardt60207 ай бұрын

    A very cool video there VW. 😎👍

  • @HostiaRecords
    @HostiaRecords7 ай бұрын

    Thanks for your videos, very usefull.

  • @alvarosundfeld
    @alvarosundfeldАй бұрын

    I am 18 years old and can still hear the full frequency range (it won’t last long). To me, there is a clear cut in the high frequencies when the MPX filter is engaged when it shouldn’t. I am probably going to be fine after my mid 20’s tough…

  • @tomsimpson3322
    @tomsimpson33227 ай бұрын

    As always, great video. Never knew Sankyo existed👍🏻😉🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @joeblankenship377
    @joeblankenship3777 ай бұрын

    A few years ago, I bought a couple broken tape decks(with the intention of fixing them) solely because I was enamored with how cool they look with those little reel-to-reel tapes running in them. They're collecting dust now. It was a bit of the TechMoan effect and a dash of VWestlife syndrome.

  • @MrDuncl

    @MrDuncl

    7 ай бұрын

    I hope you didn't overpay. The "Techmoan Effect" is it doubling in price after he reviews it (except in the case of Amstrad Stereos).

  • @cheezmunky1

    @cheezmunky1

    7 ай бұрын

    @@MrDuncl Nah, they were broken so the prices were okay. Shoulda spent a little more and bought a working deck.

  • @stephenc6648
    @stephenc66487 ай бұрын

    Ignoring the topic just for a moment, how many functioning cassette decks do you own? There's a very impressive collection just in this video.

  • @datassetteuser356
    @datassetteuser3567 ай бұрын

    "Sankyo" reads like what a German would say if he thanked you. I should know 😅. Anyway, very nice video, learned something again I didn't even notice on decks before. Cheers!

  • @vinylcabasse
    @vinylcabasse7 ай бұрын

    i could hear that 19khz tone (and the whine of a CRT) up through my early 20s. now i'm lucky to hit 15khz at 39... hopefully we get a fix for this sometime in the future!

  • @cuttinchops
    @cuttinchops7 ай бұрын

    lol after hearing some of old stories from fellow broadcast engineers, many hack stations back in the day would just air the pilot to fool radios while remaining mono.

  • @TheOriginalCollectorA1303
    @TheOriginalCollectorA13037 ай бұрын

    I figured it was something to do with radio, since MPX decoders exist for TVs (at least those that have the option from the 80s). Had no idea it was directly for the pilot light though, very interesting! Also didn’t know that the pilot light used high frequency to turn it on, but it does make sense considering it’s radio. Great video!

  • @MrDuncl

    @MrDuncl

    7 ай бұрын

    The 19KHz tone does a lot more than turn on the light. Inside the stereo decoder it get doubled to allow demodulation of the L-R audio information which is centred on 38KHz. Turning on the light is just a bonus.

  • @TheOriginalCollectorA1303

    @TheOriginalCollectorA1303

    7 ай бұрын

    I guess I never really thought about the in depth details of how FM works. Always cool to learn more about audio!

  • @MidwestTechAndGaming
    @MidwestTechAndGaming7 ай бұрын

    Damn bro, nice flex on your cassette deck collection. I'm sure you have more too💪

  • @kevinpatrickmacnutt
    @kevinpatrickmacnutt7 ай бұрын

    Thank you Sankyo, I can now use Ferri-Chrome Type 3 tapes for years to come. Also thank you for such an easy transport design to rebelt (I have done a Pioneer, Technics and Yamaha that had that same angled design...not fun).

  • @isaacsorensen8377
    @isaacsorensen83777 ай бұрын

    I recently got an early 90s Technics mid-high end tape deck that had this switch.

  • @nickwallette6201
    @nickwallette62017 ай бұрын

    Usually, when someone complains about "I can't hear the difference because of YT compression," it's almost definitely cargo-cult wisdom, and the compression isn't actually affecting anything discernible. (Assuming you stream at more than 240p.) But in the case of 19kHz oscillators at -45dB, yeah, that's probably going to get filtered out by the audio codecs too. Almost nobody can hear a real 19kHz tone. I remember trying back in my teens, and I could... kind of ... sense that pin-prick sensation. But more often than not, I just heard the subtle click of starting and stopping a high-frequency sine wave outside the zero-crossing. And so, there's no loss filtering it out on an FM tuner. The hash up showing up in the spectrum analyzer is almost certainly correlated noise anyway, and not actually intended signal. There's also no loss filtering it out twice, regardless of source, because tape isn't going to capture that much meaningful signal up that high. Also: I have that same CD player! Got it at a thrift shop for like $10. Works fabulously. I have a set of cans dangling out of it right now. :-)

  • @vwestlife

    @vwestlife

    7 ай бұрын

    If you look at a spectrum analysis graph, KZread definitely is reproducing the 19 kHz pilot tone during the "dead air" portion of the video.

  • @nickwallette6201

    @nickwallette6201

    7 ай бұрын

    @@vwestlife Huh. So the codec I have now is Opus. From what I've read, it's around 128kbps for normal video. I did a little bit of Googling, and some sources claim that Opus does not lowpass (edit: well, lowpasses at 20kHz) at relatively high bitrates. That seems suspect. Common AAC libraries lowpass at 14kHz to 18kHz at similar bitrates. It might just be that Opus is willing to consider near-ultrasonic audio if there's nothing else going on to spend the bits on. (Like the FM silence example.) But I wouldn't expect a lot of 19kHz content when there's anything significant to encode in the range of adult hearing. :-)

  • @ronny332
    @ronny3327 ай бұрын

    I like the "Tape Running" LED indicator or the Sankyo deck from the 70s 🙂

  • @vwestlife

    @vwestlife

    7 ай бұрын

    The Soundesign has one too... and neither of them use LEDs! It's just an incandescent bulb with a spinning disc in front of it that alternately blocks and lets through the light.

  • @elektrokinesis4150
    @elektrokinesis41507 ай бұрын

    I have a Fisher 500-C vacuum tube receiver from 1964 with an MPX filter in it and a switch on the front

  • @straightpipediesel
    @straightpipediesel7 ай бұрын

    The main reason why your FM tuner wouldn't have a MPX filter is that it's a mono receiver, either because it was too old or too cheap. Dolby NR and MPX were non-trivially expensive before IC's became common in the mid-70's, and even then early IC's weren't as good as discretes.

  • @MrDuncl

    @MrDuncl

    7 ай бұрын

    I was discussing this with Techmoan before he made his Stereo Dongle video. In many early FM tuners and even in some cars the multiplex stereo decoder was an expensive optional extra.

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