MPRT Explained - Monitor Makers Lie To You
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Monitor manufacturers lie to you. A lot, in fact I’d argue it’s one of the markets where their lies are most prevalent, and one of the biggest bugbears of mine is the “MPRT” or Moving Picture Response Time figure most often plastered everywhere from the box to the product page. They get away with this because monitors, or response times in particular, are an area that many reviewers don’t cover and most gamers aren’t well informed about. So it turns out I’m trying to fix that, both by developing my open source response time tool (OSRTT), and by making videos like this so let me explain.
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MPRT Explained - Monitor Makers Lie To You
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Deserves more views. Thanks for being honest and having the courage to call them out in an incredibly scummy and misleading industry.
yeah, i learned this lesson hard when i bought a dogwater slow $400 ASUS VA 27" 144Hz 1080p monitor 3 years ago or so and it was advertised with "1ms MPRT" and have kept using it since then. Not a good experience with all this fucking ghosting and dark level smearing when BLS is off and it suffers from VRR flicker below 72Hz but too poor to replace it, if i ever get the chance of buying a new monitor in 5 years or so OLED will be the only option i'll look at since i hate IPS glow and also hate garbage blacks that look more like greys (i'm sure MicroLED will be too expensive).
After trying MPRT I watched your video and all the points were spot-on for the personal testing. I also started getting eye fatigue mere seconds after turning it on, and it was noticeable darker. Odd how our eyes work
@jondub9524
5 ай бұрын
Exactly this - you watch 5 minutes of MPRT and go back with it off and its night and day
@khaledsaif3700
Ай бұрын
me too less than 1min, start get eye strain and not able too sharp see!!
@Phedra
17 күн бұрын
Hello there! So what should i for my eye health do i have to go for gtg?
I agree that monitor manufacturers are the “used car salesman” of the pc market and BS outta every orifice 🤣😂 and printout / box label etc the print on! It’s great to see reviewers such as yourself and Hardware Unboxed not holding back and calling out these fallacies to the informed pc part buyer as well the “regular Joe” buying themselves or their kids etc a good product at a good price 👍🥰😇
I’m a little confused, if I’m buying a new monitor should I be looking for the lowest gtg response time?
@imnicked4185
Жыл бұрын
If it's measured by the monitor manufacturer then no, look for reviews of your desired monitor to determine if it's good for you.
I bought an AOC Q27G2U. All those amazing specs for such a great price. In particular, the heavily advertised 1ms response time. Silly me for thinking response time meant response time >. What good is 144Hz on an 8ms GTG response time monitor? Should've gone for a TN panel, I figure.
@normaalewoon6740
Жыл бұрын
I also have that monitor. I use it at 81 hz with a vertical total of 2700 (1520x144/81), to get the same refresh speed as with 144hz and reduce crosstalk artefacts. This gives a very acceptable image quality during motion. Much sharper than sample and hold at a 240hz tn. That said, there is still significant ghosting when moving faster. For that a tn or ips will do better, as long as you reduce or avoid crosstalk the same way. By the way, you will not get eyestrain from strobing if you cannot notice the flickering directly, generally above 70-80hz, which increases with higher screen brightness and in the periphery of your eye. Eyestrain is caused by things that are hard to look at, such as ghosting, blur, stutters, tearing, lag, too high contrasts, rough movement due to not enough fps, and most importantly: for too long
Yeah it's one of those marketing trickery. But at least they now state it's MPRT and I'm not sure if it's their job to educate us what MPRT is and what GtG. Because normal user probably doesn't even know what GtG is. But it just goes to show their intentions. Ideally we want manufacturers to give us both MPRT (bfi persistence) and GtG (with typical overdrive and without overdrive). Although we all know even if they did, GtG they provide is still very misleading.
I see, so that's why, huh. (I don't understand anything).
bruu, I got a new monitor recently 144hz 2k and I tried out each setting, to make sure it looked correct. when I playing minecraft, I noticed weird ghosting so I tried turning on MPRT and it fixed this. Then having this setting on for while, I started getting headaches and eye pains, which thanks to this video. I know now to have this setting turned off. somthing I would like to know is, how to fix the ghosting problem i'm getting? my monitor says it has FreeSync Premium on it, but I have not seen visual benefits having this on. Did I just buy a bad 144hz monitor?
@christoofadedd.
Жыл бұрын
same issue bro
@joeybagz4214
11 ай бұрын
Me three
@ooooooooooo6396
4 ай бұрын
please guide me to turn off mprt 😢
@ooooooooooo6396
4 ай бұрын
please guide me to disable MPRT
@ooooooooooo6396
4 ай бұрын
please guide me to disable MPRT 😢
Well well, this was a great and interesting video. Thanks I stumbled upon accidentally. I was almost going to buy the monitor based on refresh rate and response time, but now there are variables in response time too. Can I please request you to please recommend a good affordable high refresh and low response time monitor of around 29-34 inches? Appreciate it.
Does this mean that the monitors that have MPRT tire the eyes more, and cause more pain for the human eye? since it has something similar to FLICKER or BFI?
@PahEz
Жыл бұрын
Bfi will most likely not cause any pain. It's imo one of the best if not the best feature out there. Just for an example if you have a 240hz OLED with good BFI, you could basically get 660hz of motion clarity if you have the BFI on high. That's 1.5ms persistence which is " close " to a CRT level performance which is considered to be " perfect " You will get insanely good motion clarity with low input lag and perfect colors/blacks and response time thanks to OLED.
Is this monitor next to you Gigabyte IPS G27Q-EK? It has 1ms MPRT, do you recommend for fps games?
MPRT makes my mouse glitchy. i see red green blue color when i move my eyeballs. It drovr me insane!
So what's the difference between MS vs mprt. After using bfi, i could never go back to nornal mode. Just way too bury....
If MPRT is basically flicker, how can a monitor be flicker free and have MPRT? Does the flicker free feature only work on normal mode? i got a bit confused
Would u help me aorus kd25f is pmtr or gtg some sites say is pmtr and others say is gtg
So all mprt monitors have the blacklight go on and off?
I have the gigabyte m28u and I feel like there’s always a little delay or latency does this have anything to do with it?
I wonder difference between mprt and gtg is noticable?
I think enable MPRT, Cause me eye strain !! did I'm alone ?
*IPS has worse BRIGHTNESS than TN panel!!! why no one talk about this? Its like thrity percent worse than TN!!! and viewing angles are worse too wtF?!?!*
Hello, I need an honest answer please, the MPRT in Asus monitors is called ELMB?
@dandyel1059
Жыл бұрын
yes
How come even monitors without Black Frame Insertion advertise 1ms response times then? Are they just lying too?
5:20 for how much time the backlight is turned off?
For me is only brake, shift and acceleration but this tech guys just complicate things around. GTG speed, On-OFF Speed and speed aka refresh rate and then you have color accuracy at normal speed and high speed. Hopefully all this chatting about quality and speed will go away with OLED monitors and everything gonna be life-spam and luminescence.
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@cloud6675
Жыл бұрын
I'd say crucial if it's m22280
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Жыл бұрын
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so if you want the fastest response time, for a shooter, does MPRT make it faster, less lag? or does it increase the input lag? also would assume the longevity of the screen will be reduced having to cycle the light constantly that fast!
@bradleyjohnson2273
11 ай бұрын
It increases input lag
So should i use free sync or mprt and what level of mprt also what response time I use freesync and fastest response time on the series s 120hz
Whats better 1 ms or 0,4 ms mrpt for competitive gaming
Optix MPG321QRF-QD MPRT Sync and Adaptive Sync
Oh mannnn you fixed my problemmm i had such a bad time with mprt on for just 3ms difference and after u told details of mprt i just looked at my monitor with mprt on though my phone’s slo mo camera and i saw it was a terrible picture on my monitor which goes on and off like crazy. Guys if you want a gaming 1ms monitor just get a VA panel one not an ips 1ms mprt one Doesn’t worth it.
What monitor does the author have in the review?
Tbh I enabled "MPRT" on my monitor and it just gave me a 2nd mouse. Saw a post saying to lower your refresh rate (no thanks but fine) so I lowered it by 45hz and nothing changed... Edit: You mentioned cranking up the Overdrive settings as a possibility so I tried it and I ended up with fucking 3 mouses lmfao.
Hi my guy i saw ur video make the Test my self and i found a Monitor i would say about the 1ms is not a fake here they have the same Option called MPRT but as i make ur test that u made in the Video i not had a Littel bit of Stuggel and that up to 4k the Companys name is Koorui is a Japanese or South Korean Company dont know that but i got a 165hz on my Monitor and the Ufos wherent blurry at all maybe wrong settings by ur PC ? thats at least what i would suspect here or its Certain Displays that cant do it these are actuall my thoughts about it ^^
sorry couldnt understand a thing. Not found a layman's video or blog to this topic yet
Doesn’t the PlayStation 5 box say 8k?
thanks
He says “in graph terms” like I can understand a graph 😭
If my monitor is flickering then I can't tell. I have a ASUS VG278Q Gaming Monitor 27" 144Hz 1080p, though I got more for the size and refresh rate than the Response Time since everything seemed to say 1ms anyway. plus £300 for a monitor is more than enough for me.
ummm... the monitor i'm looking at doesn't have anything of mprt and gtg.. all it has is just 1ms... SO I STILL CLUELESS IN 20 YEARS.. NOTHING IS EXPLAIN...
@melo5878
Ай бұрын
if it doesn't say 1ms gtg then its mprt
MPRT ON VS OFF ??
why do you always talk with a chuckle in your voice for every word ?
@ronswanson4173
Жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@ronswanson4173
Жыл бұрын
Dude thinks he's dave Chappelle
@coffinman4527
11 ай бұрын
😂😂
@apexvwarrior8082
4 ай бұрын
He thinks he’s clever af that’s why. It’s an ego thinf
@Jonabob87
Ай бұрын
He's just scottish
Which is better one GTG 1ms or MPRT 1ms
@vasileiospapadimitriou3005
Жыл бұрын
grey 2 grey will not cause you headaches or eye fatigue, on paper ViewSonic's MPRT or Asus ELBM depending on the manufacturer that uses this type of technology and named it accordingly this flickering or backlight strobe might be faster than G2G but in my opinion its unuseable. After staring at a backlight strobe (flickering) monitor for a couple of minutes you will get headaches for sure or yours eyes will be in pain. I would recommend G2G for your health
@Phedra
17 күн бұрын
@@vasileiospapadimitriou3005 what brand would you recommend for it?
so gtg is the one that isn't a lie? :P
much better at 1.3x speed playback.
Bad for Light Mode People, good for Dark Mode People. Got it.
this video made me be your sub!
BenQ xl series all the way haha.
Then why no one sued the monitor manufacturers ? people are to stupid or ignorant to care about being lied to the face or what ?
@morishimaharuka8754
2 жыл бұрын
they technically cant sue them because some manufacturers will put in their websites that the monitor say is 12ms. but put the box 1mspt
@AndroidPCMMORAW
2 жыл бұрын
@@morishimaharuka8754 Oh yes they technically do that but morally is a different story all together.
@morishimaharuka8754
2 жыл бұрын
@@AndroidPCMMORAW morality doesnt suit well with loopholes i mind you, companies will manipulate everyone even the law. ever heard of legal corruption which is called lobbying
@AndroidPCMMORAW
2 жыл бұрын
@@morishimaharuka8754 Yeah exactly, people don't realize that companies and corporations are not organized like a democratic organization more like dictatorship, usually just only one person decide there. So I ask you how democratic state can exist with lots of small or bigger dictatorship inside, my personal opinion is that just a matter of time until they (company or corporation) gonna atempt to come into power to replace governments and enslave us all and defecate on the human rights.
@cloud6675
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to America, also receipt paper is toxic but Americans handle it every day because we have no replacement
I mean its one of the ONLY WAYS to get an IPS panel "fast" enough to be closer to TN panel fluidity....though you must disable freesync(no big deal in your common low settings/competitive shooters)....though youll also need to form a custom gpu color profile bc of the low brightness MPRT entails. Though if you play valorant/cs:go/Siege....this does help make a generally slower IPS panel feel much more crisp....at teh expense of brightness/color clarity....which again can/must be re-configured in nvidia control panel monitor color settings....or adrenalin. IJS if you REALLY want a competitive/fast IPS experience in those games....MPRT must be enabled and the only way to counteract the lower brightness is by brute/forcing in your GPU software suites. THOUGH its majorly a marketing gimmick to "SELL" 1ms ips panels when in reality most are 4-8ms as far as the decent ones like my LG 27" nano on SRGB mode just about the only mode i need to set it to. MPRT was "utilized" back when i had a budget 1080p acer nitro monitor but again its not very ideal in the slightest....and IMO freesync is better for the majority of gaming/pve/hack n slashers AAA titles by a wide margin saving gaming. Including adaptive sync 4k tvs like the LG oleds.