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@Czlog

Жыл бұрын

Python and C++ programmer here xD

@lhard123l

Жыл бұрын

@@Czlog python doesnt have this sh*t

@Manorainjan

Жыл бұрын

Since programming is a rather complex matter, Your graph could be more complex too ;-) What about LOGO, Oberon, Occam and FORTH?

@timlocke3159

Жыл бұрын

@@Manorainjan None of those ever became popular enough to make the top 11 list. Personally, I love Wirthian and derived languages (particularly Modula-2 and Ada), and Logo and Forth. I also like Scheme

@Manorainjan

Жыл бұрын

@@timlocke3159 "None of those ever became popular enough to make the top 11 list." You don't say. I wouldn't have made that connection myself. Or would I? ;-) Maybe that's why I opened with: "Since programming is a rather complex matter, Your graph could be more complex too." BTW: His video "World's Largest Cities by Population 1950 - 2035" has 20 lines.

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how C has been in the chart since the 70s till the modern era of programming?

@spectrm6014

Жыл бұрын

@Jonas Jonaitis I agree.

@Seeking_Solace

Жыл бұрын

@@tabooretka Around 80% of all embedded devices are created using C according to analytics insight.

@LaughingSeraphim

Жыл бұрын

Bad habits....

@Patrick1985McMahon

Жыл бұрын

C is the best language to learn and can do anything you can think of. In contrast python is a trash language.

@miroslavbrabec94

Жыл бұрын

@@Patrick1985McMahon For many cases is C/C++ very unsuitable (too expensive). I am sure you know it. That's why Python is where it is in the rankings.

The Programming Wars The Era of Fortran (pre-1965 to 1980) The Rise of Pascal (1980 to 1985) The C and Ada Wars (1985 to 1987) The Absolute Reign of C (1987 to 2001) The Ascent of the Javas (2001 to 2018) The Python Empire (2018 and beyond)

@darukutsu

Жыл бұрын

Rust or bust (2030+)

@ArhemonT1000

Жыл бұрын

С++ (1970-immortal) 😁👌

@virendersingh446

Жыл бұрын

@@ArhemonT1000 Elaborate.

@AntonMochalin

Жыл бұрын

It's in fact JS/TS empire

@ElCidPhysics90

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the rise of python surprised me. I knew it was popular but not that popular.

I wrote my first program in 1962. Knew every language on the list until 2000. It has been quite the 60 years. Been an instructor through professor. Programmer to systems analyst. A few years teaching, a few years doing; rinse and repeat.

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Respect!

@HunterShows

10 ай бұрын

Oh, so _you're_ the guy who taught today's programmers...

@abend3604

9 ай бұрын

I can beat you by one year - 1961. It was for the IBM 1401. Remember these languages: Assembler, SPS, RPG Currently picking up Python. I knew it was popular but didn't realize how popular until I saw this presentation - Cool stuff. Oops, forgot autocoder.

@robertcross7571

22 күн бұрын

Just curious, do you think it was harder to learn programming back then or now? Exclude how nowadays we can Google stuff, just curious if programming languages back then were harder than they are now.

@George4943

21 күн бұрын

@@robertcross7571 Quite hard early. Early languages had a similarity to math notation. FORTRAN = FORmula TRANslation. The main evolving difference was the logic control statements. Each language had a syntax to be learned. Those early languages allowed for what became known as spaghetti code. "Structured Programming" became the latest rage. Teaching that course was a learning experience. In the 80's I came to realize that a while loop with test at top was the only logic structure needed in a language. It is all done with flags to implement IF, IF_THEN, CASE, and all the others. Find out how to do the "do while" and I had learned the only logic structure technically needed. The math analog lasted virtually unchanged so it became a matter of learning syntax (and when possible macros so I could write my code in pseudocode). Each language learned more quickly. At the end of my career a new one took 2 days to learn and 2 weeks to write production programs. A typical program of mine is: DO WHILE (powered on) .CASE (1) IF (conditions) DO END ... (N) ENDCASE END DO And of course, being as I am, I consider the strange case of the robots built by evolution: While (Alive) If not content, do something else. End

The most popular programming language is still DNA.

@oguzhan.yilmaz

10 күн бұрын

Well actually ☝️🤓

@billp5793

10 күн бұрын

Really great point! Still is amazing to me how some people think it just happened by random chance! Clearly by intelligent design! Yes..God!

@Ronadhoba

9 күн бұрын

What's that ?

@oguzhan.yilmaz

9 күн бұрын

@@Ronadhoba you don't know what is DNA? Basically your hair's, eye's color's code, your base height code and the keywords are A,C,G,T

@nofood4u936

18 сағат бұрын

DNA isn't really programming tho, it doesn't get interpreted/compiled by anything - it just acts as a blueprint for making other proteins which do their job by themselves. And just to dispel the creationists who assume anything that supports their preformed beliefs is true: DNA is closer to an array of data constantly being modified and selected for using the genetic algorithm.

How amazing that some programming languages are so old and are still in regular use today.

@austnsauce2543

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I find it interesting how difficult it is to move on from old languages given the reliance we have on old programs

@michidoley

Жыл бұрын

true i experience this in my company pretty often. We had our projects (first websites and later even apps) since like 2005 and from then we moved to new languages with the time. So there are many files in old code, that would need a lot of time to remake in new languages. The problem is, the code is written in an old style and difficult to read for younger developers like me. Our old developers don't work here anymore or are in managing positions. It's often a bit of pain to work on these old files xD

@marz_mitzi

Жыл бұрын

and to see a FURRY here OwO

@KillroyWasHere86

Жыл бұрын

During the pandemic if you knew Cobol made bank.

@Novusod

Жыл бұрын

The longevity of Java and JavaScript is pretty incredible considering these languages have not been updated or supported in over a decade. Cobol and Fortran are run on a lot of legacy systems that haven't changed much in decades such as banking computers, atms, credit card systems as well as on military equipment.

I've been paid to work in C and C++ since the mid 80's. My career as a software developer probably would never have started if it wasn't for Turbo C and Turbo C++. At the time, they said Ada was going to be the One Language to Rule Them All. The dean at my college said we should consider other professions because by 1990, computers would be writing all the software; and Artificial Intelligence would never work commercially. Today (last couple weeks) I was told C and C++ are dead, and RUST is the new One Language To Rule Them All. Yeah, once again, we got "Sauron's Ring" salesman again. Anyway, I could list all the languages I have been paid to program in, but funny thing: programming languages each have their Big Day. And eventually most programming languages fail to deliver once the hype wears off. I'm amazed C and C++ have lasted so long, and I'm glad they have. C++ is my absolute favorite, and for better or worse, C and C++ have delivered a hell of a lot. Due to its complexity, I don't think young devs will get the opportunity to master C++ in a fun/meaningful way. Could be I'm the end of the line. On the other hand, C and C++ are still here, and we've had quite a number "Sauron's Ring" languages wax and wane in that period. Maybe C and C++ will stick around kind of like the Tooth Fairy. Even COBOL still pays well for the extremely few people who mastered it. For the record, I've never been paid to work in COBOL, and that was a personal choice. Could never get into that language.

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Interesting! Thanks for sharing.

@LunaticEdit

Жыл бұрын

You're not. C++ is still very actively modernized. Smart pointers are now mainstream (new/delete is considered code smell!), and they are adding support for modules, finally fixing the include problem. They've also added things like lambda expressions and such. It's a totally different C++ from yesteryear.

@donaldwycoff4154

Жыл бұрын

@@LunaticEdit Interesting to hear about modules. Hadn't heard of that. I'd be surprised if they retire m4 (the pre-processor) after 40+ years. There are so many meta-programming improvements I'd like to see, beyond what I've seen up though cxx20. And why don't we have an int*XX where XX can be the number of bits we want in the integer (outside the scope of a struct)? FORTRAN was doing that in the 60's.

@Uvuv6969

Жыл бұрын

Currently learning c++, hoping that I can “master” it (even though that’s impossible, c++ is too big) but I’m doing pretty well for now. Been about a year, I’d say I’m intermediate. Refuse to say that any language is nicer than c++ except rust (which I don’t think will beat c and c++, but is a very nice language)

@jyeager2881

Жыл бұрын

I still love C. I've found with a good compiler it produces fast and relatively tight executables

I'm so glad this channel is back making content. Data is so good

@georgegvelukashvili6097

Жыл бұрын

Data is beautiful

So interesting. I started programming in 2010, and the first three languages I learned were the top three most popular at the time (Java, JavaScript, and PHP). My dad learned in the mid 80s and he was taught Pascal, the most popular of his time. We are products of our time.

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

True

@johngriswold

Жыл бұрын

In 1981 I learned FORTRAN on the fly for a graphics course, then data structures in Pascal. But I loved C most of all, the way she’s bite if you weren’t careful ;)

@Malbeur

Жыл бұрын

@@johngriswold yeah, clearly C was popular since it got so many spin-off languages and stayed relevant for many many years.

@BlunderMunchkin

Жыл бұрын

Oof, sorry to hear you had to learn on three such crappy languages.

@Malbeur

Жыл бұрын

@@BlunderMunchkin I appreciate the sympathy! I'm working in Go now so there's a happy ending.

I hadn't realized how popular Pascal was and for how long before C took off. Ada too.

@gilramot

Жыл бұрын

Pascal was the C before C. I learnt it and it has some really interesting syntax.

@timlocke3159

Жыл бұрын

@@gilramot I actually hate C style syntax. It has too many arcane symbols. I prefer keywords. Pascal uses IF...THEN BEGIN...END but in it's successors, like Modula-2, BEGIN was removed so it became IF...THEN...END, which is nicer than Pascal.

@oldtwinsna8347

Жыл бұрын

It was the common training language so practically everyone who majored in computer science had to take it as an intro course before going onto other languages.

@LunaticEdit

Жыл бұрын

Pascal (Delphi specifically) is what got me into the programming industry with no college degree. I just so happened to run into a small business owner who used delphi, and I just so happened to to have learned windows development on my mom's copy of Borland delphi. It's been many moons since I've used pascal, but I still owe my career to knowing it.

@timothykeith1367

Жыл бұрын

@@LunaticEdit Delphi was interesting. One of its architects went to Microsoft and contributed to .Net

So glad to see this channel again!! ❤❤

I built a database development business on Visual Basic / Access between 2000 and 2020. Fashion moved on and I retired but for 20 years I had many happy clients and a good living.

In 1985 my college required FORTRAN for engineering majors (#5 in the list at the time) but nearly all students (including I) also took an elective for "C" (which was #1 in the list at the time). Very interesting how these languages evolved over time.

I really love your graphs they're wonderful ! I used to watch the previous one and was amazed to see you did a new one :) May I ask if there is a source we can read to keep updated about these changes or you did the stats yourself for the video ?

Thank you for this amazing content🎉

Beautiful and instructive animation. Would be perfect to cite the multiple surveys used as data sets.

I remember I took over an internship in 2005 from a previous intern. The sponsors asked me to write it in their preferred Java based language which I had a course under my belt already. They said the previous intern did good but it was in a language they never heard of or could understand called Python. This was back in 2005. Fast forward 10 years after spending most my career in firmware C and some C++ for desktop apps I dove into Python because how easy it was and it was the ONLY way I could get OpenCV to install amd actually work. My Python got me a new job at a namebrand company, and that got me my job today. In 7 years my salary is now 200% what it was and I don't regret my Python transition today one bit. I still think about that intern that was using Python v1 for her internship deliverable, she probably makes way more than me. If she is reading this I want to say ;Hey sorry for making fun of you.

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

Жыл бұрын

Python is that rare thing: a technically advanced language which has become popular through its merits and the testimonials of its users, not because some big corporation was pushing it.

@vuvu7005

Жыл бұрын

i also code in python for 7y and i would like to ask you something, do you feel that python is way harder to master compared to C or easier? because i only dev in C for 2 years but i feel C easier to master.

@brennethd5391

11 ай бұрын

​@@vuvu7005 bruh

@derekrequiem4359

11 ай бұрын

@@brennethd5391 "i feel C easier to master"

@sunnykarale1538

10 ай бұрын

you being very honest that's a good way to start....! Hope someday your message will reach out to her.

VBA has been underrated. Its practically on every office PC computer. Most use it with macros and don't even know it.

@jasonanthony166

21 күн бұрын

It's still my favourite language ... but that just shows my age!

Oh man great video again! It's hard to believe that are still people using Fortran nowadays! My teacher of Computational astrophysics does it!

@tmicecave

Жыл бұрын

In parts of aviation, Fortran is still strong, and I am not sure if there is an actual alternative to Fortran.

@dmitripogosian5084

Жыл бұрын

I am in astrophysics, and I do use Fortran daily :) Nothing really beats it for large numerical simulations (well, you can use C/C++)

@dmitripogosian5084

Жыл бұрын

Part of Fortran diminishing status is not that it was superseded by anything better for what it is doing. It is that in 70-s 90% of computering was numerical scientific/engineering computations. Fortran is still one of the best tools for that. It is that since programming and computing has evolved in many different areas

@galactic_3787

Жыл бұрын

@@dmitripogosian5084 oh you're in astro too?

@dmitripogosian5084

Жыл бұрын

@@galactic_3787 Yes, cosmology mostly

I was programming in Fortran in HS in 1969-70, punching out card decks, loading them into a card reader for an IBM 360 and then debugging all the syntax errors. Helped a lot later in university EE courses. After graduation, wrote embedded uP assembly code for a major project by learning while doing. As an EE also had to code PLDs and then FPGAs along the way which is a very different programming experience.

@vcom2327

Жыл бұрын

Another ex punch card jockey!

@GeBaker

10 ай бұрын

@@A_R_B_G I'm facing a similar issue as of now. Did you reroute the HS2 optical IF-byte with the connected line parentheses ? Thanks!

@b43xoit

2 ай бұрын

Did you punch sequence numbers so that in case you were to drop your deck, you could sort the cards back into order?

i remember watching you in late october 2019! im so glad youre back!

I'm surprised neither PL/1 nor RPG made it on this list. They were ubiquitous during the 1970s and 1980s. I was a computer consultant during that time and there was almost no demand for Fortran skills at all.. I don't believe Fortran was the most popular language for anywhere near as long as you portrayed. COBOL was much more heavily used, and is still in use even today.

@jaimecrusellas6304

24 күн бұрын

Just about every large business through the 80s used COBOL on their mainframes with RPG for Reports. PL1 was big on IBM minis. C was big on all the other minis (DEC, DG) . Actuaries loved APL on a PC connected to the mainframe with an IRMA board

@crosswingrobots

19 күн бұрын

Agreed - PL/I is clearly missing from the data set.

Interesting to see how some languages accompany the rise of related tech. Javascript and PHP for example rose as internet and web sites became more and more prevalent. Objective C I believe rose with the expansion of iPhone and Apple technology. While some others such as FORTRAN that is limited to desktop/ mainframe saw it's proportion decline.

BASIC - When more and more kids started learning programming C - That's all we got for seriously fast work C++ - I'm done with pointers Java - When they realized you can write once and run it on any device PHP - World Wide Web is the future! Python - When the scientific community started coding JavaScript - When bootcamp trained frontend 'devs' entered the game

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

True

@timlocke3159

Жыл бұрын

C was fast but it wasn't safe. That wasn't so bad before networking but now we know we need safer languages. We would have been better off if we'd rejected C and C++ and kept using Ada, Modula-2, Oberon, etc.

@sexygeek8996

Жыл бұрын

C is still great for low-level embedded programming and pointers are one of the reasons why. It is easy to make careless errors with pointers, but I have seen many people get into trouble because they don't know what they are doing or because they are trying to show off by doing unnecessary fancy stuff.

@timlocke3159

Жыл бұрын

@@sexygeek8996 Well, so were Modula-2, Ada and Oberon but they did it safely and they had safer strings where you couldn't write over memory after the strings with malicious code.

@sprytnychomik

Жыл бұрын

@@timlocke3159 C wasn't meant to be safe. It was meant to be simple, trust the programmer and give him (or her) real power.

PL/1 was the first language I ever learned, in the late 1970s. Surprised it didn't make it into the list, as IIRC it originated at IBM and was quite widely used. The version I used allowed you to descend into Assembler within the PL/1 source. With a macro pre-processor and pointers, it was very powerful and expressive.

@lpf1836

2 ай бұрын

was wondering the same thing. was a lot more user-friendly than c. always regretted that the latter became THE language and PL/1 died out. As for c++, don't get me started....

If a programming language was designed properly and evolved accordingly, it should never go obsolete. The reason all programming languages "die" is because once they gain the #1 spot, the company that owns/controls the language tries to "cash in" on it. That's when people shift to a free alternative that does the same thing. Python will exist for (at most) 10 more years before the owners of the language try to squeeze companies with it as leverage and then it'll be gone.

I changed from Fortran to Pascal exactly when your video showed it. Done Cobol too, with a real workbench and a debugger! And that from 1996 to around 2005. Go figure. In between, I've done loads of little projects in dBase and Clipper. Most of it stand-alone stuff, but also some with a small network (10 Mbit Coax, Ethernet) and even that worked. Oh, and the odd assembler bits, some basic Basic, HTML and all that goes with it. All that on Data General, loads of personal computers and laptops, OS/2 and a bit on Unix. "If it can't be done in vi, it isn't worth doing." - quote from one of my friends.

Bro... Your videos are really cool!!! Thanks for making then :) Btw, can I ask u if u could do a video about "The most popular KZreadrs/Streamers of all times" (Globally)? Pd: I think It will be better if the background was black instead of white :)

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for suggestion! Tubers video is on the list.

@centralprocessingunit4988

Жыл бұрын

black background is bad idea.

@DioneN

Жыл бұрын

@@centralprocessingunit4988 agreed, I hate dark mode!

Nice touch with putting C on the screen from the very beginning. I expect 20 years from now it will be still in the top 10. We will always need language that offers maximum performance that is easily readable and compact.

@wyqtor

Жыл бұрын

Rust is much more readable than C and is less prone to memory management errors.

@Axel_Andersen

Жыл бұрын

@@wyqtorLets see how many decades it takes for Rush to make it to the top ten.

@orangeguy5374

Жыл бұрын

@@Axel_Andersen Did you not watch the video? It’s already in the top 10

@dmitripogosian5084

Жыл бұрын

@@wyqtor Less prone to memory management errors usually comes with being somewhat memory inefficient (or not efficient as it can be)

@Axel_Andersen

Жыл бұрын

@@orangeguy5374 I did but it did no register, sorry, my bad.

This is so cool to see! Would love to see some disc golf statistics in a video!

I learned Basic at the age of 8 on a ZX Spectrum (Sinclair Basic) in the 80's, then in college in the 90's I learned Assembly 8086 and C/C++, then many others came but Mr Clive Sinclair's Basic lives in my heart anyway 40 years after first contact. There is one more that I really like, LUA, a language developed in Brazil, many MS-DOS and Win9X era games were created with it.

@daniel_lucio

Жыл бұрын

@@simon_patterson In my case, in south america, far away from Clive's land, Britain

@alinaqirizvi1441

Жыл бұрын

I learnt BASIC on my uncle's ZX Spectrum in the 2010s lol

@daniel_lucio

Жыл бұрын

@@simon_patterson cool!!

@biomorphic

Жыл бұрын

Same, started with Basic when I was 7 or 8, can't recall, on a Commodore VIC-20.

@TV_Schleuderprogramm

Жыл бұрын

It's said, any-one who ever came in touch with BASIC was lost for any other programming language. It's true for me. Python, C, you name it, always had the obstacle of not-knowing why you had to put these include=... in the first lines. In BASIC we just took off and we were going.

I have always regretted not majoring in comp sci in college.. I would 100% pick that without hesitation if I could go back. Programming seems fun and a very rewarding field to get into. I got my master's in a very different field recently. Got a remote job with a relatively light workload. Just started learning Python a month ago.

@musazwane6049

Жыл бұрын

What was your qualification?

@jmanpolo5611

Жыл бұрын

Never too late to go for it

@JimmeShelter

5 ай бұрын

You would have been taught Fortran in a C/C++ world.

Wow brings the dead back to life! I paused at 1979 when I started programming and realised I worked in almost all languages on the list (Fortran mostly, hated cobol!) Then to see the rise of Ada which I was a huge proponent of but despaired of a good compiler and was eventually suffocated by its own beautiful weight. Now, as I program almost exclusively in php and scripting languages I am appalled that I haven’t even heard of about half the entries on the 2022 list! I do miss my old friends like pascal and lisp! :-)

What a trip. Excellent recap of my professional life. Superb animation.

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton!

I have none knowledge about programming but i understand the power of language to build a civilization. You "IT guys" changed the world and still changing.

I saw my whole pre teens and programming career flash before my eyes. My first startup was in 2008 built in JavaScript and PHP. Interesting those 2 were in almost parity at the time.

Now that was interesting! I started my time travel at 1976 with assembler. And going along, partly just out of curiosity, with Basic, Pascal, Modula-2, Eiffel, Fortran, C, C++ Obj-C, Tcl, Java, JavaScript, Ocaml, NewtonScript, ... And even two of my own languages that made it into commercial products. Writing software still is fun for me. For the stuff I do now (for me) it is C for embedded things.

I started programming with assembly language with an 8080 micro processor. I then learned C while schools were teaching Pascal and ADA. I then learned C++ and started using VHDL (Hardware language similar to ADA in concept) and then onto verilog (another HW language similar to C). Retired now, so trying to pick up on Python. It seems like some of these languages are tied to Systems or graphical interfaces. I remember a fellow who specialized in Smalltalk which is used in the Chip testing industry. What's nice about C is you can get down to the machine level or write at a higher level. C++ brings in the object oriented aspects.

Loved writing code in Pascal and C back in the early 80s.

@bogrunberger

Жыл бұрын

Learned Turbo Pascal in the mid 90's and really loved it!

I graduated college with a CS degree in 2017, and I spent 4 years working in COBOL doing object plug-in with a NetCOBOL compiler as my first job and went to another COBOL position after that. Not what I expected out of university as someone born in the 90s. 😂 Love these graphics!

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Damn

@Seeking_Solace

Жыл бұрын

Nice. At least you have a rare skillset and can fill the empty positions left by the old retiring folk.

@GeBaker

10 ай бұрын

@@DataIsBeautifulOfficial Repent, sinner- Heil GOD

For a long time you were out brother. Nice to see you back ❤️

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that

Hey, can you tell me where you found the data sets you used to make these visualizations

This explains why I learned Fortran, COBOL, BASIC, C and Pascal in my younger days. I guess Assembly was just a bonus for the Engineering students.

@craigdixon2062

Жыл бұрын

Given the inefficiency of most processors at that time, anyone who really needed speed used assembly.

@u.v.s.5583

Жыл бұрын

I never really learned COBOL, but am guilty of the remainder of the list.

@DanHigdon

Жыл бұрын

@@u.v.s.5583 Same here. Our professors were very excited about Pascal and Modula-2, but we all wanted to use C instead. Gotta love the late 80's CS scene.

My first touch with programming was through game maker 8. Its based on C++ and c#. I rarely used the actual code, but really abused variables and learned a lot for if/else commands, creating events, checking collisions, changing sprites and animations, and applying actions (self, other, specific object/s). My best was making a 25lvl mario game which was published in game maker website and had 55% rating in 2012. I saw a video in Python about making a 3d game and actually could understand a lot of the commands used, as well as the fact that it seemed quite flexible at a first glance. Usually i see people hate Python, as it is first taught in universities (computer science, maths) and it is not fully properly explained. I want one day to start programming (javascript, python, c++, C#), so that i can make games (by far the hardest thing in programming) I had a minor touch with GL Basic, but i never liked the design and the interface (not for me) and didnt spend a lot of time learning the commands. In high school we also learned micro worlds pro (greek version of a beginner programming) which was too simple and boring for me!

@sasino

11 ай бұрын

Game maker language doesn't have much in common with C#... Its more like a custom JavaScript

Damn, a time machine. It was a beautiful trip. Thanks for your hard work

I program in assembly language and machine language since 1983. I will never stop. When you directly program the microprocessor, and build your own graphic interface, files access, etc. that's so cool! :)

@pjmelect

8 ай бұрын

I agree, with assembler you can build your own libraries and virtually create your own language. I have programmed in various different assembler languages since 1975.

I'm an old dinosaur... when I started my career we still programmed sort machines with patch boards and wires. If you needed your input sorted in a certain order before running your program, you needed to run the data cards thru the sorter first before using them as program input. I remember the excitement of our shop getting it's first IBM 3270 terminal and CICS software to be able to write and store programs electronically instead of punching them out on cards and storing them in file drawers. The senior programmers hogged that terminal up and didn't let us junior programmers use it. I worked on the first generation of supermarket bar code POS systems... did the systems programming, application programming, and field service tech work with them. Back then they ran a whole supermarket on a store controller with a 5M disk! We downloaded data to all the stores at night over a 2400 baud modem... took all night. Whole corporations used to be run on an IBM 360/370 with 16M of core... and probably one string of 8 DASD 3350 drives with 500M a piece, and a few 2400 series tape drives.

@alexisbono24

10 ай бұрын

How about a 16K 360/30 running BOS using 2311 drives with 7.25 MB capacity and RPGI because not enough hardware to run COBOL. We upgraded to 32K to run DOS and COBOL.

@rhymereason3449

10 ай бұрын

@@alexisbono24 I loved the 2311 drives... you could watch the seek heads going back an forth... made the system seem alive.

@saabyurk

24 күн бұрын

@@rhymereason3449 We had rows of those and it was cool to watch operators lift the lid and use their hand on the top disk platter as a brake because they were in too big a hurry change the disk. Skin dust caused lots of R/W errors so the manufacturers started applying a friction material on the top platter. Only took a few skin burns to stop that practice.

@rhymereason3449

24 күн бұрын

@@saabyurk LOL... that's pretty wild! We had an operator who was 6'7" and about 350 lbs. He was surly with a bad temper... but management was afraid to fire him. He'd throw full boxes of computer paper across the room when a job would abend and tick him off. Once he cracked the console keyboard with his fist, and another time he put his foot through the glass door on the 1401 printer. Management would just replace the things he broke...

Java just refuse to die off. Even Oracle tries to make people stop using it.

@Erfedwe

Жыл бұрын

But, Minecraft! :)

@Killerspieler0815

Жыл бұрын

the only good thing on Java is that it can run on any device , but dont expect speed

@_piulin_

Жыл бұрын

@@Killerspieler0815 So can any other interpreter language, as long as the interpreter is installed on the target system. But Java is faster than most other interpreter languages.

@autarchprinceps

Жыл бұрын

@@Killerspieler0815 If you think Java is slow, good luck with python. Also no, Java isn't particularly good at running on every device. The argument that it is comes from a time where most languages were compiled. But the real blocker to running on different devices isn't the programming language, or even if it is compiled or not, but frameworks, UI ones in particular.

@tmicecave

Жыл бұрын

Java will not die off quickly. Similar to C/C++, a lot of existing systems are based on this technology. And even if the language dies, it will still prevail as a platform for other languages. There is a reason, Java being the most efficient interpreter language.

Great video as always

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that

Love your videos!! Speaking of programming languages... what language and tools do you use to make these videos???

I would have groupped Pascal and Delphi as Pascal programmer have probably evolved to Delphi programmer. Same for Basic and VisualBasic, I'm not sure the disctinction make sense. Nice video anyway, and always facinating to see how trends evolves over long period of time.

@qbasicmichael

Ай бұрын

In that case, c, c++, and objective c could all have been grouped.

@ptitSeb123

Ай бұрын

@@qbasicmichaelI would argue it's different as Pascal was abandonned in favor of Delphi as far as Borland support goes. And in the opensource world, Lazarus is an extension of FPC (and needs FPC to work). C/C++ have enough differences, and C++ never took over C.

Surprised how long APL last. Such a fun and interesting language.

@piperfox74

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, agreed. There are still some great APL implementations available today, and it's a fun language to play with as a hobbyist. Dyalog APL is free for non-commercial use.

This is cool. Is the data you used open source and available?

what an artistic work I don't have words. outstanding

I learned a little Basic in the 60s and FORTRAN and COBOL in college in the 70s. I really liked COBOL. My COBOL professor was awesome - I still use some of the basic computer stuff and logic I learned in his class.

@lazyelectron8376

Жыл бұрын

It seems like everyone who grew up in the 60's and 70's says that. My business teacher said the exact same thing in class to us (minus him liking his COBOL professor).

@MarcDoornik

Жыл бұрын

COBOL was the worst language I learned, b/c I already knew C and Pascal, and then it is a nightmare.

@justwanderin847

Жыл бұрын

open source GnuCOBOL

It was interesting to see BASIC take off in the 8-bit computer era, especially after the arrival of the 1977 Trinity of the Apple II, Commodore PET and Tandy TRS-80, each of which had a BASIC in ROM. The PET had Microsoft BASIC from the start but the Apple II and Tandy TRS-80 upgraded to Microsoft BASIC within a year. Then it died down as the last 8-bit computers came out and were then replaced with the 16-bit Apple Macintosh, Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, which, while BASIC was available for them, it wasn't used much as better languages had become available. BASIC was great because every 8-bit home computer had it built in and it was easy to learn so even the average person could figure it out. Sadly the languages that replaced it weren't easy enough for the average person to use and now only a very small percentage of computer users can write any code.

@centralprocessingunit4988

Жыл бұрын

insight appreciated.

@daniel_lucio

Жыл бұрын

Learned Basic at 9 years old through ZX Spectrum Sinclair Basic, it was my first programming language, later, in college (90's), C/C++/Assembly 8086

@sexygeek8996

Жыл бұрын

Basic was easy to learn and readily available because it came with every computer at that time, but it really is a lousy language.

@timlocke3159

Жыл бұрын

@@sexygeek8996 For sure but it was pretty popular for a 10 year period.

@bozimmerman

Жыл бұрын

Heck, I wonder why BASIC didn't dominate the late 70s into the 80s. It literally shipped with every home computer, and every business PC. That alone makes me wonder how they were counting popularity.

Good job. I wondered why my Eng Prof years ago had us using Pascal instead of Fortran like all the other cool eng majors....it went out like a light. Pascal went out later but at least the structure is similar to the Cs and Python. Then I had to learn LISP for CAD. I dabbled a little in Python as all the new stuff.

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Thanks for sharing!

@dmitripogosian5084

Жыл бұрын

Fortran is still around in scientific community, especially when you need huge, CPU and memory efficient, simulations

I really enjoyed it. Where did you het the stats?

Interesting. I had in multiple occasions heard that there would still be around old systems coded in old languages, and each time specifically COBOL was mentioned, so I had assumed that at some point it would have been the most popular programming language. But apparently it never was most popular; Fortran was, but I don't remember it ever been mentioned. Were those two, COBOL and Fortran, then each used in different kinds of fields?

@jrstf

Жыл бұрын

COBOL used exclusively for business programming. Fortran largely used for scientific programming. COBOL has always been a strong contender for the world's worst language.

@timothykeith1367

Жыл бұрын

@@jrstf If relational databases had been around in the 1960s the COBOL applications wouldn't have been so bad. The simple COBOL syntax was used to manipulate huge data in limited core memory. More modern languages would have had a tough time with that as well.

@vrlvrox

Жыл бұрын

COBOL is used a lot in banking systems, and those systems don't like to change. There's was a saying floating around in my part of the world (don't know if it still holds) that if you want to get a lot of money early in your career, you learn COBOL and apply for a job in one of the large banks (preferably German). The drawback is less opportunities later on and the non-sexiness of it all.

@dmitripogosian5084

Жыл бұрын

COBOL is banking, FORTRAN is scientific number crunching (it is FORmula TRANslator after all)

@timothykeith1367

Жыл бұрын

@@dmitripogosian5084 IBM created the PL/1 language to bridge business and math, which should have replaced COBOL. PL/1 was innovative and influenced later languages like C and Perl. PL/1 was the first language to use classes and a preprocessor, supported pointers and was also suitable for systems programming. PL/1 has practically disappeared, partly because IBM mismanaged it.

Can you show the source? Is TIOBE Index? If not, can you show the source for "Javascript" for example? Great work by the way

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

PYPL, TIOBE, StackOverflow and Amazon Products API.

Seeing JavaScript briefly claim the top spot in Q3 2018 and suddenly everything that’s wrong with the world suddenly makes sense.

Idea for you. You can make a video about most popular code editors. Im think that would be nice :)

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the idea!

@MainEditor0

Жыл бұрын

@@DataIsBeautifulOfficial Thank you for listening to the audience, I think this video will be interesting not only for me. Im will wait, happy soon holidays

Why is php still alive? What psychotic force is keeping that thing relevant??

Thank you for this history. I found it weird not to see languages like Modula-2, Forth, Haskell or PowerShell and I was expecting Pascal to be a lot more prominent in the mid-80s as Turbo-Pascal was the go-to solution on PCs, or C/C++ from the early-90s for it was pushed by the Turbo C++ "revolution" (and everyone seemed to turn to C and Unix/Linux at the time), when it replaced Pascal in computer schools. From what I know, computer schools mostly teach Python nowadays, because its performance is close enough from pre-compiled code and when an application can support being written in Java or JavaScript, who cares about code efficiency anyway? When you see you can code Windows 95 desktop with a few applications entirely in JavaScript in a browser window and it lags less than the original one, why bother?

@Traumatree

6 ай бұрын

The Pascal shown in the video is mostly Modula-2 as this is what was used in uni and some business. Turbo Pascal for PC was at the end of the 80s and was a tiny fraction.

Amazing video!

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very nice video. Think about making one with more than 11 places, maybe 20, or 30. It could be fun

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Definitely!

I used C64 basic then DOS Qbasic. Learned pascal in 1990 and I'm still using it (delphi) for everything :)

@sablesanctum

Жыл бұрын

Pascal rocks!

It's very interesting to see how the importance of the programming languages changed over the course of time. Especially when you think about what caused these changes: New hardware New software Introduction of the internet New usages of data...

Started at the end of the 70s thru to late 90s, it would be interesting to compare this graph with one of the types of computers available, the rise of PCs and Windows saw the explosion of Visual Basic, the rise of the internet then saw Java etc. Never thought Fortran was that popular.

Super movie. I'm looking forward to more of your productions.

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

More to come!

@Zdwojson

Жыл бұрын

@@DataIsBeautifulOfficial I'll tell you something. For a video about the new system market share statistics, you can use this legendary music that did all the work. I will not suggest the title, and you, Mr. Data-San, know what it is. I will also reveal that it was through the first video about statistics that I came across your channel a few years ago.

Great video... but I think it had some notable exceptions... pretty sure RPG and PL/1 had much larger adaption in the mid-70's than C, Algol, APL, and Lisp which were primarily in the Universities, DOD, and research facilities. . Back then IBM's PL/1 was on a lot of mainframes as it was both a business and scientific language. And RPG was used by a lot of smaller shops running mid-sized systems.

@davidduma7615

10 ай бұрын

Yes, I was wondering why the percentages didn't come close to adding up to 100% in the early years.

@hansmoller6408

9 ай бұрын

PL/1 was the language I learnt first in 1973. Then Fortran, then HP Basic and C++ 20 years later.

@Anuclano

8 ай бұрын

Indeed. PL/I was the main language then.

@jimchabai3163

5 ай бұрын

Late to the party but I don't get it either. This video isn't my experience of 35 years in the industry. It says 'most popular' and not 'most used'. Ciobol was by far huge even when I graduated me of course it was never popular. Pl/1 and rpg also huge. But I worked in business and this seems to encompass scientific and education too.

I learned BASIC on the Vic-20 when I was 9 or 10, then got into QuickBASIC v4.5 (not QBASIC, I paid for the compiler), then started using x86 Assembly for slow parts, C, then C++, Eiffel, LISP, Java, Perl, Bash shell, SQL, C#, Javascript, PL/SQL, PHP, Clean, Python, Ruby, Erlang, Haskell... I think I got the order right. Working mostly in Python and JS nowadays.

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Great adventure!

How are these visualisations made? What program is used? I kind of want to get started with my own, but I'm not sure how to begin.

Very fair understandable comparison according to the time !!

The one thing that jaded me as I grew up in this era was the perpetual promise that there would be "one" language to run everywhere. One-size-fits-all solutions are almost always snake oil and sales pitches, but always seem to bend the ear of CEO's who read magazine covers but don't listen to tech people. Java was just one of the efforts that enjoyed the most success at realizing it, although it was and is a support headache. The universal presentation layer wouldn't truly evolve until the web/HTML/DOM model and browser capabilities truly started hitting their stride.

The dominants: Fortran - Primitive, coding into machine (almost assembly) C - Embadded systems Java & JavaScript - Web era Python - Machine Learning I wonder what next.

@octagonal8905

Жыл бұрын

C is also at the heart of all our modern operating systems, it might not be the most uses language nowadays, it is still silently powering all of our modern devices !

@onlymeok

Жыл бұрын

What comes next is machines writing the code for you. Scary stuff.

@WielkiKaleson

20 күн бұрын

Fortran is higher level or on par with C. C is all about pointers, Fortran is much more about arrays. Especially F90 and later.

in memory; Pascal - 2002 BASIC - 2000 Assembly -1999 Fortran - 1997 ADA - 1995 COBOL - 1995 APL - 1992 ALGOL - 1989 hands down to the oldest remaining one (on the list) C: 1972- present

@kopazwashere

Жыл бұрын

Bold of you to say cobol and assembly died pre-2k but they're still used today... And still dominates most of critical infrastructure.

@Magnus_Loov

Жыл бұрын

@@kopazwashere Assembly I get, since somethings still require that deep down fiddling at the machine language level. At least called from other languages (and not for the whole applicaton). But its surprising that Cobol still is relevant these days. That old hack of a language that surely can be replaced with much more efficient tools?

@justwanderin847

Жыл бұрын

@@Magnus_Loov Nope, Cobol is still being updated and used. Not only on Mainframes, but Windows, Linux, Mac... GnuCOBOL. Many government, banks, big finance use COBOL and there are pretty good salaries now that we are retired...

@nnnscorpionnn

Жыл бұрын

Assembly is still in use and I guess it will never die since it is the most close thing to machine language. And probably C and C++ will live forever as well.

Love these videos

Interesting timeline. I started COBOL programming in the late 70’s and loved every minute of it. Moved overseas in the late 80’s and into an IT Management role. Judging by the video, I made the right move. Still, Cobol paid well, as a contractor, in the UK in the 80’s.

TypeScript and Go are climbing the ladder right now.

@darukutsu

Жыл бұрын

Rust in kernel 6.1 natively waiting for the popularity boom and industry switch.

What are the units for these numbers? Edit: Nevermind, I had read the description but got confused when the percentages didn't add to 100. I see now that each language had a percent as a popularity value.

Excellent Work !!

@DataIsBeautifulOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!

Great watch. Be keen to see where C# is now. See it was dropping at the end. But with all the work with .NET Core, Blazor and the MAUI and the current version of C#, is this a future for many or something else. Plenty of jobs wanting C# so it must be in the top 3.

For me personally, C is the most beautiful language. Both Linux' and Windows' kernel are written in C. I've written a lot of embedded software in C. It's wonderful. Over 50 years old and still the backbone of every product we use today, be it a server, a handheld, or a pc.

I've been programming for a living for the last 20 years, and there's a lot of change to the languages during that time. A lot of the languages look and/or work completely different today from 2 decades ago. Javascript has changed a lot and is being used for a lot of things not even conceived of then. PHP still has the same usage, but the language has changed to such a significant degree that it is not really the same language anymore. Even a very old and conservative language such as C has undergone some substantial changes.

@mucholangs

Жыл бұрын

No, PHP is not the same anymore. Although, code written 25 years ago will still run on PHP 8, with some changes. That is how backward compatible the core developers have kept it.

@racketman2u

Жыл бұрын

@@mucholangs I wish that was the case, but there has also been a lot of deprecation in the last few years.

@mucholangs

Жыл бұрын

@@racketman2u Most deprecation have easy drop-in replacements. E.g. ereg vs preg_match. Unless you have a particularly complex code, you could make changes quickly. Also, unless, you're using a framework, getting old code to run on newer versions of PHP is trivial.

@zadeh79

4 ай бұрын

Yes and that type of rapid arbitrary changing is terrible for anyone who has developed expertise in a language. Forcing people to relearn is a ratioanlist weapon that puts talented programmers out of jobs.

From where you take data and how you make these types of videos? Software name?

Data sure is beautiful! Make sure to protect it and back it up!

Java: 17 years of dominance C: 15 years Fortran: 14 years Pascal: 5 years Python: 3 years? JavaScript: Technically is leading right now if you include TypeScript and all the Github traffic.

@_piulin_

Жыл бұрын

JavaScript is barely leading if you add up with TypeScript. But I hope it finally dies and TypeScript (or even better, Dart) fully replaces it. The spread to server and desktop via NodeJS and Electron was the worst thing that could happen. And Python will probably rule for 10+ years since it's easy, dynamically typed BUT still type-safe (unlike JS which is a complete mess).

@philtoa334

Жыл бұрын

Not the same score man 🤣

@tmicecave

Жыл бұрын

If you add Typescript to Javascript, you have to add all the JVM based languages to Java as well. That would be a very strong competitor. Nonsensical in anyway.

@Ou8y2k2

Жыл бұрын

@@_piulin_ TypeScript, Golang, and Rust are probably the future, but for now JS is almost everywhere, which pisses me off when professors just teach Python then C, or Java then C.

@Ou8y2k2

Жыл бұрын

@@tmicecave It's aimless if all the surveys are ignored. StackOverflow, Github, and other sites should be taken into account when teaching students programming but probably not so much when you're already employed as a developer.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of number of in-use instances of systems developed with each language, on the OS, server and end-user apps market. I suppose C, C++, and Java would still be at the top.

I love these you I get to know every year what language is trending

Was taught “Small Talk” in the late 90s at university and started my first IT role in application support on the same. Not long after Y2K moved to Java, servlets and JSP to integrate into a COBOL backend… was good when it was good.

@rolandmetivier4437

Жыл бұрын

Smalltalk is still around, one of the more modern ones is Pharo

Incrível o Delphi quando conheci o Delphi 10 e Java na época dos estudos no Tecnico.

@nigelft

Жыл бұрын

I always wondered why Delphi isn't way more popular than it should be ...

Fortran was the first programming language I learned, followed by COBOL, RPG, and assembly. Later, I used Forth, Basic, and dBase. Pascal was rather easy. I picked up C along the way. Taught HTML for a bit to high school students. Learned Python to help a student in college.

@drofwarcnwahs2108

Жыл бұрын

Condolences on having to program in RPG. I used RPG II for awhile at IBM. It was not an enjoyable experience.

@wictimovgovonca320

8 ай бұрын

I skipped the COBOL and RPG. The first being too tedious, and the second too finicky.

How do you make a video animation like this?What software did you use?

As with all stats possibly popularity should be distinguished from amount of code written or in commercial use. I'd be interested in both those questions as well.

They all have different uses. C# and Java is popular in the backend while Javascript is more like frontend thing and Python for data analyses, math or algorithms.

@davidfrischknecht8261

Жыл бұрын

You should disambiguate your use of the term "front-end". A desktop app is also a front end, but most are written in C or C++.

@B3Band

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfrischknecht8261 you should get laid

@anormobilegaming2237

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfrischknecht8261 Desktop apps are from ancient times.

@linuxisbetter0

Жыл бұрын

Python is great for backend unless youre doing banking

@MickenCZProfi

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfrischknecht8261 Not really, if you look at your apps like discord, vscode, netflix, spotify, slack, or microsoft office, they are all just electron apps written in javascript, I'd say this is more popular than C++ honestly, even though C++ does have huge importance in the browser, gaming and adobe suite.

Am i the only one that feels a tremendous anxiety for the last programming language that can disappear from one moment to the next?

Can I use your video as I have an educational channel and I will credit your video there with link

I studied programming between 2001 and 2004, I learned clipper, c++, cobol and visual basic, but in the end I dedicated myself to infrastructure, greetings from Chile

*Wolfram L* is the _most satisfying_ programming language for the casual programmer (science, engineering, maths, economics, finance, etc)

@timlocke3159

Жыл бұрын

I don't see it around much. Probably because it's not available for free.

@centralprocessingunit4988

Жыл бұрын

@@timlocke3159 on top of it as always.

@leecherlarry

Жыл бұрын

@@timlocke3159 it's definitely a niche language (been around for 30+ years). but those who _ever_ got some grasp of it love it for life and to death, including myself. It's been FREE on the Raspberry Pi for years.

@wyqtor

Жыл бұрын

You should try Julia. It's also free and you can type Greek letters and all sorts of symbols for the names of your variables. Even emojis! 😀

@devnull1013

Жыл бұрын

@@wyqtor That sounds like an amazing sales pitch on why not to use it.