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  • @orso9794
    @orso979410 ай бұрын

    This is the book that made me rediscover my love of reading. Albert delivers my favorite line and the first time I actually laughed out loud while reading. “Albert grunted. "Do you know what happens to lads who ask too many questions?" Mort thought for a moment. "No," he said eventually, "what?" There was silence. Then Albert straightened up and said, "Damned if I know. Probably they get answers, and serve 'em right.”

  • @Nastyn1nja808

    @Nastyn1nja808

    10 ай бұрын

    And serve em right!!!!! Hehe so funny

  • @eydie__
    @eydie__10 ай бұрын

    Mort slowly turning into Death is one of my favourite "villain" arcs to this day.

  • @YggiDee
    @YggiDee10 ай бұрын

    My understanding is that witches, wizards and kings see Death as, like, a job privilege. Everyone else might be visited by Death if their passing is in some obscure way, crucial to the, patterns of the universe. I've taken this to mean "if the writer thinks it's important to the story"

  • @nanotyrannus5435
    @nanotyrannus543510 ай бұрын

    Pratchett described Mort as "discovering the joy of plot" and it definitely feels more focused around a core than the previous books. I don't quite remember if it was before or after this book, but Neil Gaiman told Terry at an early point in Discworld that he should make more out of it as he had a real gem there. And he did.

  • @marocat4749

    @marocat4749

    10 ай бұрын

    HE WAS RIGHT

  • @mumsageek1883

    @mumsageek1883

    10 ай бұрын

    It was before. Neil said he would like to see more of Death, and Pratchett, who had been working on a sci fi project, rang him him back and said something like 'You bastard, it's called Mort!'

  • @nanotyrannus5435

    @nanotyrannus5435

    10 ай бұрын

    @@mumsageek1883 And we go the sci fi project 30 years later, I think that was the idea for Long Earth

  • @Nastyn1nja808

    @Nastyn1nja808

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@mumsageek1883yes I came here to tell Murphy this!!! Thanks Neil. Terry said "I done with Discworld! " Neal said Bet but what about Death he's cool yo. I guess the cohesion starts now.

  • @luisheidegger7853
    @luisheidegger785310 ай бұрын

    Death also shows up for historically momentous deaths or just for deaths that interest him (cf being killed by a dragon). So for the purposes of the narrative, yea Death shows up constantly

  • @candrian7

    @candrian7

    10 ай бұрын

    Just being part of a story is important.

  • @russvb6384
    @russvb638410 ай бұрын

    "There are no inconsistencies in the Discworld books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts." Terry Pratchett.

  • @wolervine
    @wolervine10 ай бұрын

    Whoop, whoop, Discworld time 😊 Spoilers. . . . . . .. . I always get a kick out of Rincewind's little cameo. Its like, you can always expect a Librarian cameo but a Rincewind cameo is rare.

  • @dajtoad1
    @dajtoad110 ай бұрын

    He does show up for everyone, but I think for most deaths he's not a noticeable presence, he just collects the soul. I think of it as Death the person and Deathbot! :) Only with some people does he stick around and have something to say. All witches definitely get a personal send off. I love Pratchett's rejection of insta-love. (I think Ysabell is just pronounced Isabelle). I don't think Pratchett's plots are, as a rule, complex. It's the human interactions, the themes, the commentary and the humour. And above all, the characters!

  • @marocat4749

    @marocat4749

    10 ай бұрын

    I think its how he makes humans, and not humans, so human, in complicated. With nuance. So its not complicsted, but the characters are by being well done human.

  • @dajtoad1

    @dajtoad1

    10 ай бұрын

    @@marocat4749 Yes. Pratchett books are short. The story is the characters. The plot is just what happens.

  • @DanielGreeneReviews
    @DanielGreeneReviews10 ай бұрын

    Wait… Korey lost death?

  • @merphynapierreviews

    @merphynapierreviews

    10 ай бұрын

    he's immortal now 🤷‍♀

  • @destro6971

    @destro6971

    10 ай бұрын

    He owes you fancy hardcovers now.

  • @FrankThorntonReviews
    @FrankThorntonReviews10 ай бұрын

    In regards to what people Death comes to, I believe there was a line about nodes or something like that, apparently Death is told who to go to personally by way of the "nodes" so that's why it can be a random clown. But there are some people who he always collects, e.g. magic users.

  • @poodlemuffin
    @poodlemuffin10 ай бұрын

    It’s not for important people, it’s for key living things. He has to personally reap certain souls (human or not) to keep the metaphorical plates spinning 😊

  • @mike2RR
    @mike2RR10 ай бұрын

    Reaper Man, the next Death book, is one of my absolute favourites. Sorcery less so... But it is a book that gives important background to the place of magic in the world (which is preferably eating four square meals a day, and spending all its energies squabbling over university politics).

  • @cathygould

    @cathygould

    3 ай бұрын

    Reaper Man is one of my top fave Discworlds. And Soul Music. And all the witches' books. And Everything Vimes, especially what he goes through to read Where's My Cow to young Sam... And and.And... I've been listening to all the audiobooks,at least a dozen times each so far in no particular order🤷🏽‍♀️ I'd owned all the paper books years ago, but I lost my home and all in it in 2016,,and am now in a Txxzz nursingwarehouse with bad eyes and endless hours to fill . GNu, STP💙❣️

  • @armcie5080
    @armcie508010 ай бұрын

    Death always shows up for magical users, kings and queens, and people who die in an unusual or significant way - such as the first people to be killed by the gonne and a dragon. Later books clarify that he also just sometimes shows up for random people and creatures, because of *technobabble* or just to check things are all working properly. All this means that Death can show up whenever Pratchett wants him to. Whether its to add a joke, or reveal a bit more plot.

  • @franohmsford7548

    @franohmsford7548

    4 күн бұрын

    The Discworld runs on Narrativium - Death turns up for the important DEATHS - The Old Witch's death isn't particularly important, the reincarnating guy is on death number whatever so again the only narrative importance to both of these deaths is the fact that Death sends Mort therefore making them narratively important. Likewise with Princess Keli - If Death goes to collect her soul as he normally would her death would have had literally zero narrative importance whereas sending Mort makes her the most important person on the Disc!

  • @axtell500
    @axtell50010 ай бұрын

    Mort is my favourite Pratchett. I was lucky enough to meet and shake the hand of the great man before his illness issues started

  • @candrian7
    @candrian710 ай бұрын

    Sir Terry's approach to romance in his stories is usually a lot more realistic. His stories rarely have big romantic scenes, the characters just naturally grow closer as they spend time together, as the stories gently push them together.

  • @SennyGamingHQ
    @SennyGamingHQ10 ай бұрын

    The part that was most touching to me is when death becomes a cook in a tavern and finds the most joy he's felt in years. Something so simple making someone feel joy they thought they were incapable of is a very inspiring aspect i got out of this book.

  • @benhodgkin5198
    @benhodgkin519810 ай бұрын

    Brook's gonna have stiff (Yohohoho) competition as your favourite literary skeleton!

  • @groofay
    @groofay10 ай бұрын

    Part of me wants to believe Pratchett intentionally made Mort and Ysabell's marriage as unsatisfying to the reader as possible, like "hmm, the story's over, but the guy hasn't gotten the girl yet...oh well, the guy gets the girl anyway, everyone's happy!"

  • @marocat4749

    @marocat4749

    10 ай бұрын

    I like the harking back to what his dad told him. And he actually gets to know her and she him?!

  • @r.charlie
    @r.charlie10 ай бұрын

    I am soo looking forward to you getting to the Tiffany Aching books! Really enjoying this review series so far! 😊

  • @destro6971
    @destro697110 ай бұрын

    I got my wife hooked on Discworld a while back, now we are trading off buying each other the hardcover sets off of the Discworld Emporium site as gifts. So far she got me the watch and death books, I’ve gave her witches and wizards sets. It’s a fun way to slowly get all the nicer versions without too much sticker shock of getting them all at once.

  • @Anharie
    @Anharie6 ай бұрын

    I love Sir Terry Pratchett's death character. so many of his books are in my top 10, and Reaper Man is up there. You asked for clarification on the death character and Reaper Man, i feel, is the definitive version of Death. one of my more liked interactions is when someone asks Death "will you help?", and death responds "yes". "When" death is asked. "when the pain is too great" answers Death.

  • @mikeprince6685
    @mikeprince668510 ай бұрын

    Just started reading Pratchett this year and I can’t wait to read another of his books

  • @Paul_the_Bookworm
    @Paul_the_Bookworm10 ай бұрын

    Just an FYI, Death's daughter's name is pronounced Isabelle. So many people have commented on Death turning up for people so instead I'll say that this book is actually one of the reasons I struggled when i returned to The Colour of Magic. Here he talks about not actually killing but merely guiding and in the first book (maybe TLF, it's been a while) he would stop the lifeforce of a creature out of frustration. Those inconsistencies, thankfully, become less and less from here on out. I'm really enjoying seeing your take on Pratchett. Not enough booktubers talk about his work, citing "The series is too long" as a reason (actually it isn't long enough). I've said for a while now that Mort isn't the best book in Discworld but it is one of the most important.

  • @joefox9875

    @joefox9875

    6 ай бұрын

    It's pronounced ee-sabelle in the audio book (narrated by Stephen Briggs)

  • @SM-BSW
    @SM-BSW9 ай бұрын

    Just wait until you meet the time monks... most prominently in Night Watch and Thief of Time. They'll give you a better sense... kind of... about how time works. And mort and Ysabell's granddaughter takes in a larger role in the death books. And she's great.

  • @filipbaxa71
    @filipbaxa7110 ай бұрын

    Forgetting Keli's name is super topical!😀

  • @uweburger

    @uweburger

    Ай бұрын

    Whose name? ;)

  • @Zonker66
    @Zonker6610 ай бұрын

    Personal Death PoV: If you remember, Death came personally to collect the thief that was killed by the dragon in 'Guards Guards!'. I feel Death works on a whim and collects those that take his fancy, although royalty, Wizards, and Witches are supposed to be mandatory... nobody dies of scrofula!

  • @poodlemuffin
    @poodlemuffin10 ай бұрын

    All inconsistencies in the timeline are explained in Thief of Time….

  • @Wordhopper1990
    @Wordhopper199010 ай бұрын

    Death does not only show up for important people! He shows up for witches and wizards, as well as for deaths that are important or interesting. That’s why he shows up constantly whenever some kind of plot is going on. I suppose he shows up for everyone on a subliminal level, but the way you’ve seen it, it’s mostly deaths of importance, and yes, sometimes those people had an important function in life. Death’s characterization was a bit different in the first Rincewind books, but I can overlook that. Mort wasn’t my favorite story, but Death as a character is amazing and the books in the Death sequence only get better!

  • @nazimelmardi
    @nazimelmardi10 ай бұрын

    Mort!! Cool. 👀👏 Discworld is awesome. In the first book Death has to be there for wizards personally or else… it’s a job extra of wizards. They are collected always by Death himself. Nobody else can. Like Plague or someone.

  • @Kato86
    @Kato8610 ай бұрын

    To add to what other people have said: I always kind of read it as Death coming to appreciate more for the everyperson, not just the people he has o visit as he progresses through his arc. Of course, in the end, it is probably just inconsistency and/or narrative convenience but he changes more in the future, or at least we learn more about him, a bit of both, I guess. And part of that is him caring more for people and not just being weirdly curious about them. To add a non-spoilery quote: What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man? It's a shame the great Death books are still a bit away (and Hogsfather will not be there until next Christmas, if not later), but a really neat out-of-continuity short story is "Death and what comes next" which is, as Pratchett so often does, not focused on plot but just... themes and ideas and about 800 words of greatness.

  • @armcie5080

    @armcie5080

    10 ай бұрын

    I would strongly encourage Merphy to make Hogfather a Christmas read, even if it means skipping ahead a few books.

  • @caewing85
    @caewing8510 ай бұрын

    I finished Mort a week or so ago. It was so fun. A little sloggish in the middle and the end made me laugh. It was a fun read. Death is a brilliant character.

  • @7Seraphem7
    @7Seraphem710 ай бұрын

    Death comes for everyone, but the degree to which he interacts seems to vary.... either that or its just the important ones, and all the ones we see on screen are important due to being part of the Narrative. For all intents and purposes, he comes to everyone in some fashion or other. But what a way to go.... Sir Pterry has said he fairly regularly got letters from people who were soon to meet the Reaper, and that his books had given them one last bit of hope, that when they do meet him, Sir Pterry got him right.

  • @jeremyhulka3582
    @jeremyhulka35829 ай бұрын

    Death is obliged by custom to be there for the deaths of witches and wizards, but he also appears when it suits humor or the narrative. He’s described as an auditor, (not to be confused with The Auditors). He doesn’t have to be present for every death, but turns up sometimes just to make sure things are running smoothly.

  • @sket179
    @sket1799 ай бұрын

    There's an excellent book named Flex by Ferrett Steinmetz that deals with this notion of altering the history through magic and history correcting itself this way: using magic comes with a cost. A slight benefit to you will hurt you a little. Altering events in a major way will hurt you more. It's basically the same concept.

  • @Janems999
    @Janems99910 ай бұрын

    I can't wait for your video after you've read Night Watch 😊

  • @Bardic_Knowledge
    @Bardic_Knowledge10 ай бұрын

    The next of the Death Books, Reaper Man, is my personal favourite Discworld book.

  • @OldManMoko
    @OldManMoko10 ай бұрын

    Mort is my favorite of the Pratchett books. It was my first foray as a little boy into his world, I loved all the characters, how they interacted with each other, and the real, human feel about them. A lot of his characters feel so real and his descriptions so vivid that they are actually palpable.

  • @nikoazure5235
    @nikoazure523510 ай бұрын

    I genuinely cant wait to see what you think of the other death books

  • @fistofthe1stben704
    @fistofthe1stben7042 ай бұрын

    9:40 It’s been a while since I’ve read Mort, but the sense I get from the Discworld series is that it doesn’t really intend to deny mortal characters choice or agency. The issue might have been that Mort was acting in the role of a supernatural being in stopping the assassination. The assassination may have actually been the natural consequence of various acts of free will, and by interfering, Mort was actually the one interfering with the mortals' freedom of choice.

  • @garygreen1782
    @garygreen178210 ай бұрын

    Apart from the shear enjoyment of reading Pratchett, he only gets better as he matures.I enjoyed your enthusiasm for the books.

  • @SwedishDuckey
    @SwedishDuckey10 ай бұрын

    Mort is the first and only Terry Pratchett book I've read. Well, read is a bit much I started it and read like half but got distracted and never returned. This was like ten years ago. I'll still watch the video though!

  • @QueenViolet8
    @QueenViolet88 ай бұрын

    So Glad you read this ❤ first one I ever read by Mr Prachett had me lol then I read Equal Rites and I plan on reading all the Wyrd Sisters books!

  • @rossanderson1892
    @rossanderson18924 ай бұрын

    My understanding was after this book he had Death appear in all(?) books. But when people asked your question "I thought Death only appeared for important people?" Pratchett answered 'well they are important to the story and thus in Discworld are important' (paraphrasing.) But only he knows what is lie or not about his world building.

  • @esteban280889
    @esteban28088910 ай бұрын

    Yay a discworld I've read so can watch. I read Mort 2nd. Found it took a while to get going but was enjoyable

  • @kennycharlton7891
    @kennycharlton78915 ай бұрын

    Mort asks early-ish on why isn't death everywhere? And death asks "do you know about point incarnation and node focusing" -i don't think so "Generally I'm only expected to make an appearance on special occasions" I think it gives space for both this story being about special occasions and then all future deaths? Maybe death became impassioned in his job again after this book haha

  • @jellevanbreugel325
    @jellevanbreugel32510 ай бұрын

    Yay for Blinky! Best horsie ever!

  • @jonasquinn7977
    @jonasquinn797710 ай бұрын

    I love pretty much all of Terry Pratchett’s characters but Death is definitely my favourite

  • @Fawkes42
    @Fawkes4210 ай бұрын

    As I understand it, Death shows up for everyone important but who the universe thinks is important can be very different from who society thinks is important

  • @Frozenfrog18
    @Frozenfrog1810 ай бұрын

    The biggest thing i learn from death is from hogfather about the importance of believing fantasies.

  • @marocat4749

    @marocat4749

    10 ай бұрын

    Reallyimportant. That yeah it ma notbe real per se but we put value on things and make them real. Justice, love, human rights and all that jazz.

  • @ania96157
    @ania9615710 ай бұрын

    you are correct in later books death shows up for everyone.

  • @shwetha9617
    @shwetha961710 ай бұрын

    Waiting for you to meet Tiffany Aching!

  • @VensVids
    @VensVids9 ай бұрын

    It's just narrative causality, Death shows up to collect a soul if it would be interesting for him to do so. Often you'll find out how a character has died at the same time the character does, because Death is there telling them as much.

  • @nagranoth_
    @nagranoth_9 ай бұрын

    I just love Death, and that you can know he's saying something just by the font even when he isn't specifically mentioned anywhere in the book.

  • @eaptan
    @eaptan10 ай бұрын

    This is one of my mothers favorite books. I might have to reread it cause I didn't get it. I mightve been too young mentally

  • @CNBlaze-qj7fg
    @CNBlaze-qj7fg10 ай бұрын

    Wonderful! Full of Wonder! Death, in Guards Guards showed up for the clown and they talked about this very thing. About Death only showing up for magic folk and royals. Death himself says that yes that is true, however he also shows up for Unusual Occasions. The clown agrees his death was certainly that...

  • @cathygould
    @cathygould3 ай бұрын

    And Mort repeatedly corrects Death when he calls him boy. Mort says firmly, Mort!

  • @bohort
    @bohort10 ай бұрын

    can't wait for you to get to a death scene in Masquerade with nanny Og, no spoilers but it's a fantastic interaction

  • @JahBeatSoundSystem
    @JahBeatSoundSystem5 ай бұрын

    I'm pretty sure he will be guaranteed to turn up for most important people, but not always for the rest. I don't think it's hinted he never goes to the normal person.

  • @monkeymox2544
    @monkeymox254410 ай бұрын

    In a sense, Death only turns up 'in person' for witches, wizards, rulers, and people who are in some sense 'important' (not necessarily socially important, but there are people for whom it is important in itself that death collects them. This has something to do with what are referred to as 'nodes', which is a lovely way of hand-waving the question). In another sense... Death does actually come for everyone. Death alludes on multiple occasions to the fact that everyone meets him eventually. So to the extent that there is a definitive fact of the matter - and I'm not sure there is, since Pterry was always constructively loose with his worldbuilding - it's all a bit quantum. He's always there when someone dies, but also not always there.

  • @mndrew1
    @mndrew110 ай бұрын

    Starting off with a bang. Throwing the S.O. right under the bus in the first minute is a power move to be sure. :D

  • @Zydlik7
    @Zydlik710 ай бұрын

    It's been a bit since I read Mort, but as I remember it Death uses the sword on kings and the scythe on everyone else.

  • @user-zj9rr6yc4u
    @user-zj9rr6yc4u10 ай бұрын

    Death identity crisis reminds me of my first discworld book, Reaper man which is the second death book. I should reread it.

  • @Nastyn1nja808
    @Nastyn1nja80810 ай бұрын

    I dress up as Bill Door At Halloween often lol

  • @Justadude1997
    @Justadude19976 ай бұрын

    My favorite things is this series is just death have a human crisis over and over

  • @tariqulislamakash5749
    @tariqulislamakash574910 ай бұрын

    Mort was a brilliant read

  • @MrBoJangles
    @MrBoJangles10 ай бұрын

    Did you ever finish the Sandman series? I would like to know how you felt about the plots and themes in the volumes

  • @nagranoth_
    @nagranoth_9 ай бұрын

    No, Death is always there for every death, it's just that he sees wizards and witches as something like fellow professionals who deserve a bit of extra respect and face time. Also certain deaths are key points in time that need to happen properly, while for most stuff the world just self corrects. For those cases he makes sure to personally appear, or if he just thinks it's interresting. Otherwise he sort of autopilots where he's aware of handling deaths at some subconscious level, but not in a physical form. Really it's that he's a natural force that's always active everywhere, but at the same time humans have created an image of him in their minds and the magic of the discworld makes sure that these concepts become real. So at the same time as being a force, he's also a anthropomorphic personification who can be at a specific place. It's full on duality, but the personification heavily influences how the natural force functions. In the same way later in the series time is an actual character in charge of time, even though time just happens all the time, changes according to how people experience it or how strong magic is at that spot and can even be intentionally manipulated by certain people. The thing is the discworld is the most magical place in the multiverse so mutual exclusive things can both be true, it just depends from which perspective you're experiencing it. Though this idea definitely developed over time in the series. Really the Discworld books aren't about plot. The story is more of a backdrop to the important stuff: characters, the convoluted ways people think, moral issues, and humor. Really Pratchett wrote a lot of this stuff because he was pissed off at how stupid and shortsighted people often act, but he also knew that whining doesn't get your point accross, humor does because it lowers mental barriers.

  • @neomanrex
    @neomanrex10 ай бұрын

    As for “seeing death”. He shows up for important people. As for showing up for the clown? What’s more important than showing up for the man who will be used as a pawn in the assassination of a leader? I think it’s also said that people who spend a lot of time “close to death” have an easier time seeing him. Aka vimes. At least that’s my reading of it.

  • @aliyachamberlain9786
    @aliyachamberlain978610 ай бұрын

    I want to read this book so badly but I'm on a book buying ban tell the end of the year. And they don't have it at my local library. Hopefully by 2024 I'll be able to come back here to watch the video and gush about it in the comments. Until then o7

  • @Nasser851000
    @Nasser85100010 ай бұрын

    Shame on Korey for losing the book!

  • @RadellasReadingRoom
    @RadellasReadingRoom10 ай бұрын

    You've probably heard this already but I can't see it in the comments: "Mort" is the book where Pratchett started taking Discworld seriously Initially, it was about satirising Sword&Sorcery books. Then, Neil Gaiman and he was ready to stop but then Neil Gaiman asked for a book about Death. And, in writing "Mort" he discovered there was more he could do with this series than only satire.

  • @almogdov
    @almogdov10 ай бұрын

    To be honest, it might be a bit hard to stop dating Death's daughter

  • @notrixamoris3318
    @notrixamoris331810 ай бұрын

    What can I say about MORT...I like it alot.

  • @darkcow7of9
    @darkcow7of910 ай бұрын

    This was my first Terry Pratchett and I wasent really feeling it

  • @KalleVilenius
    @KalleVilenius10 ай бұрын

    Albert's cooking. I want to taste it.

  • @Zonker66
    @Zonker6610 ай бұрын

    Just grow with the series. Let the changes happen. Even Lord Vetinari tubby and a less than wonderful ruler... then he becomes svelte and a clever assassin who is a brilliant ruler.

  • @luisquintanilla1694
    @luisquintanilla169410 ай бұрын

  • @robingill9940
    @robingill99408 ай бұрын

    random clown??? he turned up for the first person to be killed by a gonne ... can't get more special than that

  • @franohmsford7548
    @franohmsford75484 күн бұрын

    Ysabell is very clearly a variant spelling of Isobel......WHY would you even consider pronouncing that "Y" as a consonant? Especially given there's no vowel between the "Y" and the "S"!

  • @nicholascostanzo1258
    @nicholascostanzo125810 ай бұрын

    Now do Reaper Man!!