What this poor family deserves is an apology.

@jeff1083

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. However no matter how much damage the LDS church does. It will never apologize or admit wrong.

@albertmozart6086

3 жыл бұрын

They deserve monetary compensation, from a cult with billions.

@joelgoldsmith4747

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeff1083: Any true loving soul of God, is always ready and prepared for an apology.😔😔😔

@richlisola1

2 жыл бұрын

Apology? Look it’s not for everyone, Faith in God’s plan. And it’s painful to find oneself unable to keep steady and forward upon the path. But the path is the path. Just because one’s feelings aren’t in accord with the path, doesn’t mean the path can shift to fit one’s new desires. One can either conform their actions to the path or loose their desires upon their actions.

This. This is why I am still so angry at the Mormon church. I will "leave the church alone" when it leaves it's *millions* of victims alone and apologizes for its disgusting, multi-generational role in stripping human beings of their dignity, and humanity.

My heart broke countless times watching and listening to Donna's story unfold as she told it and felt it, recalling her steps toward realizing the church is damaging to its members. So much time, devotion, faith and hope she had in the church and the Brethren to help her save her son, when in reality he is perfect as he is, as a gay man. I hope this clip leads others to listen to Donna's full interview with John. I still reflect on her vulnerability and the pain she and her family suffered by this fraudulent institution and its hierarchy.

@UnderstandingMormonism

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this thoughtful reply! We are so glad when someone's story can reach our listeners in this way. Donna is so incredible!

@dianethulin1700

3 жыл бұрын

Donna is my favorite! Much love Donna! Never stopped loving your son. Much respect

“The heavens were silent”. “Where’s our angel?” I can relate to the pain and disappointment of that sentiment. It’s a deep betrayal of what we were promised.

Her full interview was one of the first Mormon Stories episodes I heard. it was the beginning of my journey. I sobbed when I heard her share her story. It validated to me that the pain I was feeling was indeed real and deep. I’m in a better place now, but still there is grief for what I have lost. So much love and respect for Donna Showalter.

Out off all the interviews I've listened to over the years, former bishops, GA's, all of them, this humble, devoted mom breaks my heart, and gives a more powerful testimony than any of them.

@joshuaconnelly2415

2 жыл бұрын

This is so phony. Who would ask an Apostle to make her son straight? Who wouldn't pray to the Lord instead?

@brytnied

4 ай бұрын

She not a humbled and devoted mom, she had literally taken her kids “problem” and made it all about her

This is a powerful episode. I hope people who watch this clip will go watch her entire interview.

Every child deserves to have a mother as dedicated as Donna.

This mother is sitting in front of John Dehlin telling the world how toxic the mormon culture and religion are because Elder Holland was either too afraid or too busy to take the time to teach this family about the love of Christ.

@UnderstandingMormonism

3 жыл бұрын

Donna's story is so incredible, and she has so many layers to her story! I would encourage you to go view her original interview, to gain a full perspective on her experiences within the church. I can promise you she will not disappoint!

@Charalldredge

3 жыл бұрын

It is toxic. All organized religion is toxic to the soul. Once you leave completely your soul and worth come back twofold . A true God is not confined to a building, people, or tithing.

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

@@Charalldredge All religion is toxic to the soul? They're all bad? Is there one you can see doing good? What about the Roman Catholic church to blocks away that feeds 200 people a day with its soup kitchen? Or the churches, mosques, and synagogues that run food banks for the needy? Or the ministry I know that gets homeless youth off the street and gets them jobs and a sense of dignity. Or the churches that fund women's shelters and get them away from abusive husbands? Are they all toxic to the soul. You are guilty my friend of stereotyping. And that is no better than calling all black males criminals or all Jews cheap etc.

What an amazing mom! An incredible journey. Faith built upon a foundation of deception is what the LDS church is. It is not true biblical Christianity. Now at age 35, my family and I are in a solid sound place of true faith.

I grew up with the same stories about how inspired and compassionate the GAs were. I grew up believing that these men embodied Christ like expectations. The problem is many if not most of these guys are businessmen in the service of a multi billion dollar coronation. What they care about and what the general membership of the church cares about are 2 different things. .

Thank you for sharing your life and your heart ❤️

❤️❤️❤️ for the Showalters. This full interview is so riveting. ✌🏼❤️ Hi again dear Donna.

Elder Holland could not cure homosexuality because it is not a sickness. I am so sorry for how your hearts have been broken by a toxic theology and false prophets. 💗

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

Elder Holland never said it was an illness. Neither has the church.

@joelgoldsmith4747

2 жыл бұрын

@Wendi J: In this universe - nothing that is built on falsehood, can stand forever.

@KnuttyEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda makes ya wonder why the LDS Church stands sturdier today than it did than at any point in its 200 year history. Pretty long time to stand too.

@davidure3799

2 жыл бұрын

Sturdier than ever?! 20-35% activity rates globally? Fewer baptisms with double or triple the missionary force? That it exists today at all says more about its members than the actual product. “There’s a sucker born every minute….”

@FlynnZRSharp

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottbrandon9390 the Marivel of forgiveness book pretty much says that. I was told that by 4 bishops and steak presidents. If you are gay, they send you to Mormon therapy and tell you it’s your fault and only you can pull yourself out (and compare it to alcoholism which is a sickness). But lately the church is pulling away from that book because of all the harm it’s done.

Thank you for all you do

I was more or less, though of course indirectly, promised that my mission would cure me, if I was faithful. I spent hours sometimes on my knees praying some nights, pleading, begging to be healed, to be straight. It is so damaging what they teach and allow their members to believe. They've never admitted to being wrong, to correcting that bigot Packer for his comments about it being evil, for him condoning violence against gay people. I can't say this strongly enough: if you are gay, the church is toxic and harmful to you. You cannot be happy in the way you deserve, and their positions on humans being alone and having joy do not fit for gay members. You need no more proof than many members thinking it'd be better off that they be dead than gay. If you can, and please be careful and safe first and foremost, considering your situation, consider leaving. There is true love and acceptance for you outside of the church.

@MegaJohn144

3 жыл бұрын

I suffered through all 30 months of my mission, and 13 years of marriage. I finally learned to stop trusting the arm of flesh and start trusting the Lord. Two years before we met, the Lord told my now husband: "Someday, you will marry a man and he will put a diamond on your finger. A year before we met, the Lord told me, He was sending somebody to me. We met 34 years ago, been married 7 years. This may not be true for everybody, but when we both accepted who we were, and asked the Lord for direction, the heavens were anything but silent. And they have been talking ever since.

Blessings of Healing vs Blessing of Comfort.... it’s always the latter.... and none of it works....

I'm Gay before i was converted to Mormon church. After a years i left Mormon church years ago. I decided to left the church due to homophobic members. I experience some word's like "are you gay". & Also i left coz no one support me as prospective elder. Im the only convert in my family so it was really hard. I did all everything but my faith to so called "God" was fall apart. Also the feeling of not belong to the other LDS due to family status in life. Literally its so hard breaking to church but i feel more im free now.

When we look for the literal and not the metaphorical in our faith traditions we miss the lesson. When our faith traditions leadership also misses the lesson and teach the literal to the followers of a faith tradition, they perpetuate an entire system of missed lessons within the metaphor. In Christendom missing the lesson has been going on for over 2,000 years now and continues to this day. .

I'm so glad you left. Bless your heart and soul. I love you!!!

The saddest part of this story is that if it weren’t for harmful Mormon teachings, she could have just loved her son as he was unconditionally. There would have been no need to try and change her son and no feeling from the son that anything was wrong with him. But the dogma forces you to not accept some people as they are

This is a general problem with religion , how many people didn't get to touch the hem of Jesus garment : how many people didn't get to be let down thru a roof. Religion express the lotto winner {the 1 in a million person}. God don't help everybody just a very few lucky examples that's repeated over and over again.

@ASMRyouVEGANyet

3 жыл бұрын

Good point!

What do healings even mean? I love that question. It is so vague how it is explained, even by those Prophets and Apostles who believe they are called of God. "You just didn't have enough faith", or "It wasn't God's plan for you to be healed at this time" are often the excuses. What is the point of the priesthood blessing? I believe more in the power of positive thinking than I believe in this priesthood power, and it is available to male and female of all ages.

I feel for the Showalter Family. The LDS Church taught me to put my faith in man. The Prophets, Apostles, Stake Presidency, Bishop etc. Since I have left the LDS church and found the real Jesus Christ. The biggest thing I have learned. Do not follow man and his teachings. Its only Jesus Christ. Put all you faith in Jesus. The Mormon Church does not teach this.

I too used to take the Church so seriously. The Gospel is an ideal, not a reality.

He can't be healed because he is not sick.

My heart hurts for this beautiful woman. Jesus loves everyone. The church doesn't have the love of Jesus. They have him in there name but they don't have him in there hearts. These leaders are going to have someone greater to answer to one day.

When I read how many more young Mormons in areas like Utah commit suicide than should be expected by the national average (and even above the higher average that weirdly occurs in higher elevation states), I wanted to know why. It appeared to me the correlation may have been teens grappling with non-Male / non-Female gender issues (LGBTQ, etc.). I have younger twin brothers who are gay. One admitted it and left Mormonism and lived a gay lifestyle. But he died at age 40 due to complications from HIV/AIDS. The other twin refuses to admit out loud that he is gay. But he has never dated in his life. He still goes to church as a bitter 50+ year old. He suffers all the church's stigmas of being an older single male who never married. He is super bitter and angry all the time. He is super judgmental of everyone around him. He has no friends because he's so bitter. This issue with my gay brother really made me mad at the church. Then when I coupled that with the apparent higher suicide rates among gender-struggling Mormon teens, I ended my staying on the sidelines and ignoring the church, like I had done for multiple decades. Since then, I have remained very active in my opposition to the church. Their murdering of teens - they might as well be charged with murder - who are struggling with gender issues cannot be forgiven.

@kaycleveland3247

3 жыл бұрын

Please tell your son that our God loves him and I send my prayers of peace and comfort to him and you'll. In Jesus precious mighty name. Amen and Amen 🙏🙏🙏

How many gay people does God have to create before people realize that it is not wrong, there are alot of people who have alot to answer for when they stand before God.

There are many of us who have sons or daughters who are gay in the church. My son is gay and I love him with all of my heart. When he came out to me as being gay, of course I was sad at first, but this in no way destroyed my life or my son's life. I accept him as he is and no, he did not choose to be gay. I do not blame God. I do not blame the church. This is how my son came to this earth and for whatever reason, he is gay. I choose to look at this as a part of God's plan for him. Perhaps he is gay so that he can learn certain things that he needs to here on this earth. Perhaps he is gay to teach me and others around him a lesson in how to love and care for all. I feel sorry for the mother in the video who seemed to think that her whole life and her son's life was ruined. It was not. God chooses to heal what he wishes to heal. Other times he lets us deal with what we have been given so that we can grow and learn. Does God save everyone from cancer? Does he save everyone from getting in a car accident? Does he save everyone from having a chronic illness? Does he save everyone from losing a job or losing a loved one? Does he save everyone from being gay? The answer is no. We are here to experience and learn. My son is a son of God and no one can take that away from him, ever. Could God heal him from being gay? Of course he could. But is that the best thing for him? Only God knows. We, down here on earth don't understand everything but we can still choose faith. We can still choose love. That's what I'm choosing to do and I'm not leaving the church just because I don't understand everything or because a leader might have said something I don't understand or agree with. That's what faith is. The spirit is with me in this church and I choose to stay.

@jean-jacquesconstantin9772

3 жыл бұрын

Brett Nielson if you have a chance please listen to this song on KZread : Audrey Assad - Good to me. This song and many others ( Restless, Death be not proud, Love is moving ) of her song has brought a lot of healing in my life by strengthen my relationship with God and my faith in Jesus-Christ.

Nobody needs external authority and this is heartbreaking. Using deceit to create dependency is not righteous. As a member myself, I was never told the truth about God and the connection with the 7 liberal arts and sciences known as the Trivium and Quadrivium. That alone would change all parts of the church

"Maybe this is the way he is supposed to be?"...... enter the rabbit hole.

@stanleyhall8951

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe John Dehlin could do the healing.

The heavens were silent... If you've never been so desperate, so alone in whatever struggle you're in, where you've fasted and prayed with all the faith you could muster and then got absolutely nothing in response. I don't know if you could understand the level of utter hopeless, loss, and betrayal that short sentence can hit with. I'll never go back to the church or any religion for that matter. My experience has informed me that none of it is real or of any substance.

The Mormon church needs to blatantly tell their members not to shun their children if they come out as gay, and to instead love them. The Mormon church needs to explain to their members that hating/shunning people into being what you think they should be rarely works, and that familial love needs to be unconditional even if they don't measure up to one's religious beliefs. Jennette McCurdy (Nickelodeon, from show ICarly) grew up Mormon, left, then went back for a few months at 18, and so she has some interest in Mormonism. When she found a Skincare KZreadr named "Hyram Yarbo," she noticed his name and wondered if it came from Mormonism in any way. She typed "Mormon" into his channel and saw he made a video on growing up Mormon. Anyways, If you type in "Jennette Mccurdy Growing Up Mormon," you have her interviewing Hyram, and he talks about how as soon as he came out as gay to his parents, they said 'if you go into this lifestyle we wont support you in anyway.' They stopped communicating. And this guy has videos talking about wanting to end his life, videos on self harming himself, and all this crap, and it's impossible for me not to think about how bad family dynamics end up weakening people, when, if anything, family members should be strengthening each other. So stupid, and frustrating. Situations like these are part of why people feel the need to reduce the church's influence on society--the negative parts really can be life-costing at times--even if there are some good parts to the Mormon church. (If anyone ends up youtubing the video, the part I'm talking about starts at 27 minutes where he talks about how he still was going to be a charitable good person, he just wanted to embrace his sexuality, but his parents straight up disowned him)

When they teach that the church is everything, that the general authorities are some super untouchable spiritual giants, that the Gospel is a gospel of works, that members can't access the Lord directly, that being gay is not part of their little preconceived "plan", this is what you get: heartbreak. When the chips are down, all they have to offer are platitudes. They hold people down with one hard, while claiming to lift them with another. Could you ever picture Jesus treating somebody who came to Him in faith and turning him away? If she had been taught the Gospel correctly, this would not have been a problem. If I could ask God to send her son an angel, and if he would receive it, the angel would show him his true worth to our Heavenly Father, just as he is, and that there is a place for him. I know the heavens wept along with this mother and her son. If you have the faith to come to the Lord and ask Him in faith with no preconceived ideas that the church planted in you, I promise you the heavens will not be silent.

Regarding choice….we all have agency. We all, in fact, choose the life we will lead and if that life is in opposition to God’s word anyone who obeys it can easily understand why those who choose not to would want to change God’s mind. This is the essence of pride….it is man arguing with God that God should change His standards to meet their expectations.

Donna, it is obvious to me that you and your family are perfect. The LDS CHURCH does not care about you or anyone. All they care about is money. God bless you. I hope your husband has opened his eyes as well. No one needs to live in this fake-ness.

@dennygallegos4815

3 жыл бұрын

John Dehlin you are amazing to help all the people you help. Joseph Smith is in hell for all the adultery he committed. Maybe God can forgive some sins but 34 times. No. He is in hell. Where he deserves to be.

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennygallegos4815 I am glad God made you judge of Joseph Smith. This is why the church is headed by Jesus Christ and not people like you.

He wouldn’t do it because he knows it’s all a scam. this would be the time for him to send you an honest explanation. “Ahhh, it’s all bs, and we have no power, just like our all powerful god”.

Tragic on so many levels.

Thank God for science and HUMAN compassion, NOT religion!!!

Her Gay son Can have a priesthood blessing the healing is from God

Unfortunately a gay child doesn't need to be heald, they're not broken. They don't need to be repaired or converted to something else. It's just how they're created. This is what the church needs to learn. You must love your children and support them.

These short interview segments are a brilliant idea. Kudos to their creator. The subject matter… makes my blood boil, and I take it personally. 🌈

@UnderstandingMormonism

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

UGH. I hate this topic. I was raised LDS however I found God outside of religion. I wish that this world wasn't sooo very confusing. Our Father in Heaven wouldn't creat a child that couldn't walk and then say" it's a sin to not walk".

I Felt sorry for this mom searching answers in men and religion. In this last day I will encourage children of God to seek first God through the holy Bible . And to have a close relationship with God. There is good book talking about that : Counterfeits God - Thimothy Keller. Also you can listen some uplifting Christians song talking about being transparent to God : search in you tube Pat Barret & stefanny gretzinger "Sails" , Shannon wexelberg- Exalted alone, or Selah- Broken ladders. I am a Christian born again. I know that Jesus love me more than another lover could in this lifetime. The moment has came for the children of God to worship him in spirit and truth. Only Jesus save not any denomination. Stay blessed in Jesus name

I usually don’t defend the LDS church, especially since they rooted their stance on homosexuality in the concept that they could pray the gay away, but them indirectly saying that that is no longer the case seems like progression

Was the Church afraid of publicity regarding this issue?

Wake up and smell the coffee. Leave the church and join the real world

D and C 3. God does not make mistakes. Your beautiful son was created by Heavenly Father, just as Heavenly Father wanted him! Including his sexuality!

These experiences remind me of the story of Icarus. We've flown too close to the Sun and it's true violent nature is made known

This is one area I don't think the Church has a good grasp on, and where revelations are not yet complete. God doesn't create mistakes. They are a beloved child of Heavenly Father, who are just as much included into the Plan of Salvation as anyone else. The answers are not yet there, but I can assure you that he doesn't need to be, "healed of same sex attraction." We are in an imperfect world with imperfect Men and Women; the homophobia is frightening, especially within the Church. That doesn't mean that those who have same sex attraction are less than or inept. There is truth within our faith, there are also a lot of unfinished and missing pieces. Especially concerning LGBTQ+. This is not the end, and I truly do believe that peoples attitudes within the Church around LGBTQ+ are wrong; be that culturally or not.

@susanbergman9765

3 жыл бұрын

So you worship a god who can't get his messages out in a timely fashion. And you trust a bunch of old men to convey the messages in slow motion.

@mindeloman

3 жыл бұрын

@@susanbergman9765 yeah......you would think God would've told his prophet in 1955 when Rosa Parks refused to sit at the back of the bus, "David O......you want to get out in front of this." the church didn't give blacks equal status until 1978!!!!! Revelation seemed to flow to Joseph Smith and he was constantly interrupted by revelation and the Lord, but Declaration 2 states they had to pray and beseech the lord for guidance. So inconsistent. I can't think of a single social issue the church has EVER led out on. They're usually around 30 years behind. Church is using dial-up in a wi-fi age.

@eliserieke9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@mindeloman My God is bigger than any one faith. And my testimony in Christ is mine; what Church leadership does or does not do has no affect on my personal testimony and faith in Him. They too will be held accountable, equally. And should I follow a faith that is wrong, I believe in a God who would take that into account at my judgment day. That I did the best I had with the knowledge I had. I am one of those people who is more concerned about being a good person first before being a good "Mormon," or LDS member. I am not any better or worse a person for it than someone who chooses against the LDS Church. My personal relationship with God has bears none of the responsibility or actions taken by the leadership of the LDS Church. What I do and how I live my life matters; whether or not you deem it meaningful has absolutely nothing with the consequences of my choices. Neither does how you choose to live or what you do, for that matter.

@mindeloman

3 жыл бұрын

@@eliserieke9308 and I COMPLETELY agree with you. A relationship with God is a 100% individual thing. Of course I do not believe in God any more but I respect and honor your right to believe and think as you feel. I wish more LDS understood as you. When I told my parents I was completely done and out of the church they were as you would expect - concerned and a bit panicked. After many talks with them it finally came down to what you mentioned, "look: all i want to be is a good person and treat all with kindness and respect, to be a good neighbor, and active in my community. And I want to teach my kids the same. I believe my iron rod leads to the same place as yours. They run parallel. And at the end, and if I do happen to be completely wrong, God can't say I was a bad person." That was a very calming thing to them. I live the same life today out of the church as I was in it. My core values did not change. In fact I feel I've made even greater strides in self improvement. I personally find too much contradiction in the church. I don't understand why the new testament Jesus is so different from the Mormon Jesus. NT Jesus said to give away all to help the poor and starving. The church that bears his name and claims restoration has amassed a $0.128 TRILLION fortune and do so little to really help people as NT Jesus taught. I served my mission in Africa and saw many horrible awful things. We were forbade from doing anything for people other than teach them the gospel. I do not apologize but I broke a major bullshit rule. If I saw starving kids, I helped with my own money, and made sure kids had something to eat. When my parents asked me when my disaffection started I had to tell them it began in the mission, the one they desperately wanted me to serve. Seeing starving children changes you. I was never the same. And the church did nothing for them. And it was a major rule in the mission rules to not give people food or money. FUCK THAT!!!!!! I serving Jesus of Nazareth and doing what he would do. What the church does and amassing riches is profane and is blasphemy. Talk about taking the lord's name in vain!!!! The mission broke me. I never could reconcile that experience. I had severe PTSD for a few years. It's been 20 years and I still get a nightmare - that I'm back in the mission. We were treated little better than POWs in the mission. The two years was an internment. The whole thing was soul sucking. They even try to take the most basic thing a person has. Your dignity. The mission was spiritual rape. I can't abide by an organization that caused me so much harm.

@eliserieke9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@mindeloman That's where I get frustrated with the Church as well. A lot of what isn't done isn't known because of ignorance. I'm more concerned about serving those in need, and I don't fit in the Church in a lot of ways for that reason. I'm there for the people who are genuinely struggling in the faith. Since Covid-19 the missionaries aren't being fed by members anymore, due to changes in Mission rules. I have tried to prepare homemade meals for the Elders and Sisters where possible now and again for them to take home. The Missionaries are the most vulnerable and I've never felt wrong or like my time and contribution to help the Missionaries has been marred or wrong. I've known for a long time now with the LGBTQ+ stance that the Church has has been wrong, same with tithing. And though the Church has changed a little in that regard, it's minor and falls flat among the LDS Culture. For example, my Husband is not a member and doesn't want tithing to be dispersed unless our temporal needs are met first which flies in the face of the LDS Doctrine on tithing. And yet, the Church allows me to honor my Husband's wishes. They still ask and require tithing. But ultimately if I do not, they have excused me because of his demands to put his family first. In this way we have always lived within our means and apart from once needing assistance with Child Care costs, have not relied on the Church funds for anything. The Child Care costs were awarded because me working made sure we lived within our means and not relied on more from the Church like food and rent. It's contradictory and I just try to do my best. Providing meals to 6 missionaries every few weeks is the least I can do, and I don't feel guilt at all. I too believe that there is more than one way to Salvation, and it's important to respect, include and support other faiths and non-faiths as it's part of the Articles of Faith. There is a significant difference in LDS culture and LDS Doctrine. While the Doctrine strives to follow after the manner of New Testament Christ, I see the LDS Culture a long way off. I am teaching the next generations though the difference and really trying to live after New Testament Christ and His teachings and allowing the little of LDS Culture that IS in harmony with that, to filter in. I don't hate the Church; I do loathe it's culture though. I will be held accountable for my choices and actions, not for the decisions made from a very imperfect organization. That gives me a lot of comfort.

Her home teacher holds the same priesthood. If the word got out that the apostles would see everyone who wished to be seen the line would wrap around the building. Get a life people!

I am sorry you had to go through pain, Elder Holland is not true apostle, Jesus Christ heels and he should be the one to ask to heels.

So an apostle 😂 🤣 can "heal" a gay person. Why not ask the same apostle 😂 🤣 for world peace since he has such mystical powers?

Do you have a real faith for healing?

God is a jealous God, put no man before him. God gives us weakness to make us strong. Please you, nor your son never give up on God. And even if your son struggles with this till the end, as long as he accepts Jesus as his Savior and walks with God. He will be with God in the end. I pray things go well. P.S. You can leave a religion, and still not leave God.

The so called authorities of the LDS Church preach baseless religious rhetoric to honest and sincere believers who devote their lives to upholding the teachings of the LDS Church.

I was raised lds and it's a non Christian cult. I can understand that after all of the lies being exposed that many even doubt the authority of the holy bible or God's existence. The God of Israel is not the God of Mormonism. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not the "restored" gospel of Mormonism, two different gospels. They worship a different jesus. The nature of jesus that's described very specifically is different from the nature of their jesus. The one true God can change your life. Jesus Christ can change your life if you believe his finished work, trust in him, and give your life to him. Things will get harder but you will find peace. And peace that this world can never supply. Don't throw God out the window.

This puts the Church brethren in a no-win situation. If he did accept the invitation and her son remained the same, Elder Holland would have been criticized still. If a member of the Church needs or wants a blessing a member is to go to a local priesthood holder.

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct. They are told to go to the local priesthood leader or their assigned ministering companionship.

So, is God perfect or not. God created everything right? Everything includes gay. Maybe rather than trying to sculpt the world to match your beliefs you would be better off humbling yourselves to the beauty of Gods creations.

Remember that the love's us all. My heart is breaking for you sister and your family. Please don't take what I'm about to say in the wrong way. This is why you must prayerful ask the Lord to help to understand and know the Holy Bible for yourself. And we are to put our faith in Him only. Because the Lord is the only one that really loves us and is doing the real healing. "Proverbs 3:5-6 5) Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding. 6) In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your path." My prayer to you is that the Lord will surround you and your family with His mighty Holy Spirit of peace and comfort. And have His Guardian Angel's stand guard over you'll . And that you all will fine peace in your search for God's truth. In Jesus precious mighty name and if it be the Lord's will. Amen and Amen 🙏🙏🙏

Holland is a liar deceiver and seducer he needs to be removed !!! I whole heartedly denounce him publicly as an apostle and prophet !

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

Give proof for your claims. What you just said is libelous.

Why would an apostle need to give a blessing when it’s based off the faith of the participants and the will of God. The apostles have the Melchizedek Priesthood like everyone else. You could ask a father, brother, neighbor or church leader. Curious why that is misunderstood

You can not HEAL a person that is not afflicted or sick. Also one does not need a prophet or an "apostle" . The very scriptures that Mormons use tell us we have the ability to be the prophets of our own lives. The church needs to reread their own scriptures. The Devil is in the church. A prophet sent to us has dementia? What does that say to the LDS followers? I think that says it all. The church is doing what Satan did in the beginning, forcing people to do what they think is right. That takes away a true knowledge of good and evil.

Mormonism: isn't even Christianity 🤣

🐑Christ taught his disciples how to pray secret because of those rebellious angels of the archangel Gabriel who would suduece Catholic Priest to violate children in the Roman Empire Catholic synague and Christ told his disciples in the closet with the door closed and ask of Our Heavenly Father in secret written in the Old Testament. Our Heavenly Father called fallen angels false gods in his commandments and the archangel Gabriel did the same thing with Muhummad and sudueced him to violate Aisha of first wife 9 years old while she was still playing with her dolls.

The trurh is its all faux!!!!

0:29 a patriarchal blessing is not a prediction of the future, it is a blessing and supposed to be used for guidance in life decisions. A gay man can still choose to marry in the temple. Just because someone is gay doesn't automatically disqualify them for every blessing. That's the great thing about the gospel: everyone can repent and try their best to obey the commandments, especially loving God and their fellow man. Everyone's moral agency is intact. We are free to choose. Also, faith to be or faith not to be healed is not the question, it's faith to accept God's will, and accept His help through trials, since He does love us and wants to help us. He also wants us to grow and learn, part of the reason for us having a life on earth is to go through difficult things. If He took away every trial, the purpose of our earth life would be frustrated. In her story I hear a lot of misunderstanding, and that's okay, but I also hear a lot of pain and I know the Savior feels her anguish with her. I don't know why bad things happen to good people, but I know the worst of all things happened to the best of all of us. Jesus' life is the ultimate example of life being unfair. Yet, He loves all of us still, and His entire purpose of existing is to bless us and support us through our trials. The scriptures might not explicitly answer why bad things happen to good people, but they teach what good people do when bad things happen to them. When bad things happen to me, I try to trust God, and take comfort in knowing there is purpose in suffering, like the refiner's fire. If there was no God, my suffering would just be a cruel factor of my measly existence. Doesn't mean I don't complain, but I do take comfort in believing it will all be made right in the end by a just and merciful God.

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

How to you explain the thousands and thousands of ex-gay testimonies of men who have been happily married and with children? It seems that at least with competent therapy, change is indeed possible for some people.

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

Bisexuality

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

The evergreen movement you speak of is an utter failure. Psychiatrists used to do this until the 1970s when they were forbidden by the APA. You can't flip a switch and become straight. Some gay people do marry and have children. That is called bisexuality or dual attraction.

No blessing because it is not yet time for Satan's minions to seemingly openly oppose the father of lies.

Lady you've been bamboozled, now pay your ten percent and stop making waves!!!! Lots of love !!! Bye.

It is heart breaking. God has not left your sons side. I am attracted to males, your son is attracted to males. I would be committing a sin if I broke the law of chastity. For those who are attracted to the same sex is not a transgression it is when those feelings are acted upon.

Please do not mistake Father's silence for his absence. Elder Holland has no more priesthood than a righteous father. Having a gay son, I cannot think of a harder cross to carry as he wanted an eternal family. Acknowledge at least that we don't fully know the mind of God. Jesus did not heal Lazarus. He had something else in mind. I believe that just because we don't have answers to every question that is should make us surmise that there isn't an answer. God knows his children. He is not an amateur that doesn't know how to succor his children. It is our responsibility to love.. not judge.

@erichmonson128

3 жыл бұрын

@@birdinsnowball I concur.. but the cross i mentioned was his to carry because he wants to be straight. Life is not fair. People are born blind, without legs, without cognitive abilities. We all have challenges.. trials, "crosses to bear". That is what I meant.

@scottbrandon9390

3 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

What? God is the healer ask your self .get out of religion