Highly recommend watching part 1 of this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hKaEuMWzn9SvdZM.html And of course supporting me on Patreon ;) www.patreon.com/GermanPeter *Edit:* small correction: the fireball explosion sprite is for the Cacodemon, not for the Imp. My bad! Some people have also pointed out that the face similarities in the Mac Family sprites might just be a coincidence since they were drawn by the same artist, which is a fair assumption. However, considering how much else they copied and pasted from Doom, I think it's just as safe to assume they really are based on Doomguy. Why draw a new face from scratch if you can use one that you know works as a template?

@teranokitty

6 ай бұрын

You should pin this. Great video!

@spiderplant

4 ай бұрын

I think some of these, especially faces, may just be a result of the same artist drawing the two faces that are in similar poses. They'll likely focus on specific features that become prominent in any face they draw.

The beginning about the doomguy sprites being used as reference with the animated heads has way more personality than it has a right to, it's great

@internetwizard4922

6 ай бұрын

I don't see the similarities. There's no clusters of pixels to point to.

@jarnopalokari3702

3 ай бұрын

is there any evidence for doomguy face even existing then? as wolfenstein is the earlier one of them...

I'm not convinced Doomguy's face was the literal basis for any of them. They were done by the same artist or at least were created in a very similar style tom him, but I don't think they literally took his sprites and edited it to make these new faces.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I wouldn't have thought so either, but the fact they recycled A LOT of other Doom sprites and textures makes me believe it's the case. You can really see a lot of similarities, and it does make sense - if you're gonna have to draw faces at around the same scale as Doomguy's head, why not just use his head?

@YasonYou

6 ай бұрын

​@@GermanPeter I don't think they are the same scale. That's just the thing. These new faces are quite larger than Doom guy's face. When you quickly flssh DG's face on thr other faces for comparison, we see that the facial features don't quite line up. This convinces me that the same artist/similar art style was at work here. Hey I may very well be wrong though.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

@@YasonYou They definitely are bigger and I initially meant to edit Doomguy's face in the same way I did for Hitler at the beginning, but didn't get around to it. You can do it yourself in MS Paint right now though. Just stretch out Doomguy's face a bit horizontally and vertically, and they're pretty much the same. Doing that takes far less effort than drawing them from scratch, and considering how much else they copied, I think it's safe to assume that's what they did here.

@YasonYou

6 ай бұрын

@@GermanPeter This is a very convincing counter-point. At this point I think it could have gone either way. Thanks for the reply!

@thomasromer5369

6 ай бұрын

i agree to you @YasonYou

The reason the UAC crates have a 1 instead of a 3 is they’re based on an unused Doom texture instead of the final crate texture.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

Wow, I was gonna say you were talking nonsense, but I checked, and you're right! It's the exact same texture! I wonder why they felt the need to use an unused graphic instead of a final one.

@dossiebigham9113

6 ай бұрын

​@@GermanPeteralso in spear of destiny according to the Wolfenstein wiki anyway Hitler had his people do magic to see into the future and see what the tech was like and used some other magic to steal it so far as I understand canonically Hitler using magic stole tech from the UAC

@CptJistuce

5 ай бұрын

Man, and I thought the 1 was a cute nod to Spear of Destiny being older tech than Doom. 'S gone from funny to lazy just like that.

The UAC logo being visible on the SoD mission pack texture is intentional, as according to the story BJ is taken to the future during that point of the game

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I should REALLY get around to playing those mission packs. The more I hear about them, the crazier and more enticing they become.

For the Ubermutant, Doomguy's hurt/pain face is the template. It looks more like that, rather than Doomguy's resting face.

There aren't any horrible implications with the UAC crates, nor are they inexplicable. The plot of Ultimate Challenge involves using the Spear to steal technology from the future, applying things like nuclear weaponry, microchips, and satellites. The final level takes you _to_ the future where you have your final confrontation.

The skulls on the skull shishkebab are also used in the texture SP_FACE2 in Doom. I found this out while making a floor texture version of the texture for use in my megawad project.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

Huh, so they are! That's pretty neat.

This guy is the reason why I love the classic wolfenstein and doom

Considering that all of this artwork was done by Adrian Carmack, it's not surprising that they look very similar.

Something worth mentioning about the splash screen in SNES version of Wolfenstein 3D; B.J's face there looks remarkably similar to Doomguy's face when he's turning his head.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I checked, not the same. Doomguy yanks his whole neck around, BJ just moves it slightly. Oh wait, the splash screen, my bad. Just checked again, it looks similar, but not entirely. Also, it's based on a real piece of art, so I doubt it.

Gotta agree, the mission packs of Spear of Destiny are amazing. It's like they had more time to redraw the sprites where they look more accurate and realistic.

@JeffreyPiatt

6 ай бұрын

and there not made by ID who was fully neck deep in Doom development Formgen was behind the the two "Super Mission Packs" while ID also licensed Apogee the Engine and the rights to make a official sequel. they allower the SOD missions to come out but pulled the IP rights from ROTT and let them use the tech to build a new IP with Tom Hall sill kind of spurned from being let go from ID over his rigidness to his doom bible.

@SuperKlondike64

6 ай бұрын

Even if some of the walking animations are a bit janky, I gotta agree.

some of these feel like a stretch

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I literally show proof in the video lol

One thing to note about the Ultimate Challenge is there are two versions, one which uses the Doom textures and one which doesn't. It's not clear why there's two versions, but from what I've gathered the one with unique textures is what was released by Formgen (also some minor changes to the final level layout), and id Software's re-releases use the Doom textures. At one point I assumed id software pirated the mission packs for the re-releases and got an unclean version, but if my memory serves the evidence suggests something more along the lines of an early version being in id's archives.

I always found it weird how they forgot to upscale parts of the Mac sprites.

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The UAC crate used in Spear of Destiny was from an early version of Ultimate Challenge, while the later Formgen release used a completely different box texture. For unknown reasons, the 1998 Activision release of Wolf 3D and Spear of Destiny used the early version of Ultimate Challenge with the UAC crate. (12:32)

"Hitler is Doom Guy" That sounds like something out of a MatPat video from 2016.

love ur content man

oh shoot i forgot you were going to release this today!

im not so sure about the faces similarity. it could be the artist for sprite work is possibly the same guy.

Great video

Ultimate Challenge is worth a playthrough if you like Wolfenstein 3D. Return to Danger not so much as I found the levels have a lot of keys hidden behind secret walls, pushwall mazes and annoying things like that.

I wanns work on a giant flow chart of all the id textures together, id have segments for doom (+doom dump) wolfenstein (+spear of destiny), quake and a misc. Then have the related textures linked, and source photos also linked for ones made from pictures!

Dr Schabbs is never based on Doomguy' face- with a handful of pixels you can only draw so much faces - also some of those comparisons seem slightly forced

It’s like Where’s Waldo, but with skulls and rocks.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

Oh man, you're gonna love the next part to this. I literally spent all day looking for skulls in Quake's textures, and found plenty!

@Yingxera

6 ай бұрын

The much more macabre but exciting version

@ghoulbuster1

6 ай бұрын

The skull APPEARS

12:52 if I remember correctly the plot of Ultimate Challenge involves the Nazi's getting weapons from the future with the help of a demon so this is likely where they're storing said stolen weapons

Nice!

Hans Grosse's Face looks like the grinning Doom Guy face.

I am not sure about the faces, might be just because of the artstyle with vaguely similar base pencil sketches that was start for doing th pixelart.

I love these facts so much

Very interesting!

Now you have to go through all the voices for the mission packs!

Could you do one for Doom textures reused in Quake? I did notice a very small amount of texture changes, but it’s still very possible you can see it if you’ve played Doom 1 and 2. Those dirt textures seen in E1M1 after you go down the elevator is reused from Doom 2 if I recall correctly.

@GermanPeter

5 ай бұрын

Already working on it ;)

damn, those id guys are really creative

Lol the Iron Lich monster uses the pinky demons YUMP sound for a bite sfx as well.

Nice

Thank you

Wolfenstein came first and it makes sense to use previous assets to make doom. Plus the memory constraints of the time meant you had to get really crafty to make it all work.

I'm gonna be honest, I don't see the resemblance of doomguy with some of the mac family sprites, i can see it in adolf, but not everyone else.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I could have edited Doomguy like I did with Hitler to show the resemblance better, but it's really obvious for Trans Grosse and the Übermutant I feel. Yeah, their faces are a bit larger, but the eyes, nose and mouth line up pretty well.

it'd would have been nice to have some text indicating which textures belonged to which game/port, i didn't recognize a lot of these and didn't remember where you said they were from

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I didn't want to clog up the screen too much, but I'll keep it in mind.

Hey Peter love your videos I’m German too and like how you don’t butcher the words

4:05 Exactly this.

12:48 I guess its either an earlier version of the box in universe or something

“keen-eyed viewers” missed oppotunity.

is it really based on hilter or just case of art style of the artist?

Everyone is Doom Guy. Doom Guy is Hitler. Therefore everyone is Hitler.

6:15 I wonder if this brown and grey SOD wall texture was reused to create the lava textures you find in Doom II, Map 28 "The Spirit World".

@GermanPeter

5 ай бұрын

They look similar, but they're not the same.

i never even noticed that the chaingunner reuses Grosse's chainguns

Think you’ll do German Quirks Of Mortal Kombat if that’s possible?

Baron of hell's claw attack looks similiar to same one from red enemy in Hovertank 3D and Catacomb 3D. 13:08 I think main reason for hate is levels themselves. Almost all of them contain secrets you MUST reveal to progress I didn't realised about german speech. It's funny to me because one of lines I hear as "Fingaaa" ("Finger!")

I don't think these are references. This is just called an art style and how the guy draws.. There's going to be similarities.

A uac crate in wolfenstein ? does that mean that DBP21: Occult Secrets of the Third Reich on Mars is cannon?!

if you ever do the video on blake, a lot of sprites from it are edits of wolf3d sprites, like the informant death animation being an edit of the officer death sprite

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

Already aware, thanks :)

If id actually made the "Aliens" IP game they originally would've made, there wouldn't be Doom.

0:58 canonically they are related (the Slayer/Flynn is B.J's great (forgot how many greats) grandson)

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

Nope, never been confirmed. The novels and mobile RPG games hint at it, but I don't think either of those matter in the greater Doom canon.

@thesmilingman7576

2 ай бұрын

​@@GermanPeterTom Hall himself said it on Twitter if I remember correctly

Doomguy went back in time and had SEVERAL mistresses, if he can have so many people resemble him at once!

Machst du Anfragen? Wenn ja, was ist der Unterschied zwischen den deutschen Versionen der Fallout-Spiele, insbesondere Fallout 4?

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

Keine Ahnung, nie gespielt

the chainsaw one is a coincedence

Doomguy is bjs great grandson

Who is everyone’s favorite wolf 3d (and SOD and RTD)? Mines Hans “Axe” Von Schlieffen hes so goofy

awww you've never played Spear of Destiny? I'd totally recommend it.

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Nain!

Doomguy's 20% health status made him look more like the "pee baby" guy

0:31 hahaha, without the moustache it totally looks like a pee baby XD

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

Funny you say that, because people have actually been giving the SNES sprites the same treatment as the Mac Family ports did: forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=52873&start=420

So the Chaingunner is...Hans Kleine?

Where is Manna JF?

The first one is just friendly fire.

Those are 128x128 in the Macintosh family

@rootbeer666

6 ай бұрын

And that family lacks full monster rotations. The Macintosh family of ports came later than Doom AFAIK, the relationship is the other way probably.

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I said "two rows of bricks in a 64x64 square", which applies to both Doom and Wolfenstein. In Wolfenstein, they simply copied and pasted the same pattern 3 more times, turning it into a 128x128 texture with four rows of bricks. I also don't know why you're pointing out the Mac Family games came out later, I never said they appeared sooner.

3:33 mfw i saw this video

This Channel made me appreciate the German language and the Love for some of my favorites franchise only makes It better

1000th like.

somebody pls create wolfenstein mod but the boss is netanyahu and IDF

I fail to see how hitler is anything close to the doomguy face

He is Doomguy, he's Doomguy and You are Doomguy, I'm Doomguy! Is there any Doomguys i should know about?!?!

Tf is pee baby imagery?

@yellotheepiko

6 ай бұрын

Nazi Imagery

@picklebulb1489

23 күн бұрын

No no 🇩🇪,s

Maybe I'm stupid, but didn't Wolf3d come out BEFORE Doom?

@beaniewearingbastard3125

2 ай бұрын

Most sprites covered here are from the Atari Jaguar version of Wolf3d, which came out a year after the first Doom.

so. can we say doom guy is literally hitler, now?

Where does the God face with halo appear

@heitordau108

2 ай бұрын

I think when you pick up a chain gun in god mode

i dont see much of the resemblance here. im pretty sure each frame was upscaled from SNES and then given detail so i dont see why they would go to such lengths just to edit doomguy into mr mustachio

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

You can't just "upscale" a sprite. You can make it bigger, sure, but you have to add in the detail. Reusing Doomguy's face is the detail. There's actually a couple examples of the Mac Family sprites where they didn't add all the detail, so the original pixelated sprites are still visible: www.spriters-resource.com/jaguar/wolfenstein3d/sheet/206205/ (Upper right corner)

@chiefhydropolis

6 ай бұрын

the spear of destiny textures were uploaded on the textures resources and it even includes the mission packs

@chiefhydropolis

6 ай бұрын

@@GermanPeter I know but when I meant upscale I meant the process of generally just smoothing the sprite out. when you're redoing a sprite in a higher resolution you tend to smooth out stuff and then add detail like the mouth and such

But how can the faces of wolfenstein be based on doomguy if wolfenstein was there before doom? am i missing something? 😂 wouldn't it be the other way around? that doomguy's face was based of off the wolfenstein faces?

@zerotheero

6 ай бұрын

Jaguar and Mac Wolf3D came after Doom.

@CheesyX2

6 ай бұрын

oh, i must have missed that it's about that particular ports, my bad, sorry@@zerotheero

@CheesyX2

6 ай бұрын

But still, would they not just use the already existing graphics of the (then) already existing PC version as a baseline? Would seem more reasonable to me instead of redrawing everything based on a completly different set of textures@@zerotheero

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

They did use the PC graphics as a base, but they made them twice as big. They still needed to add a lot of the detail, and that's where Doom's graphics came in. They didn't do a perfect job though, and you can see a mix of the old and new in the upper right corner here: www.spriters-resource.com/jaguar/wolfenstein3d/sheet/206205/

@CheesyX2

6 ай бұрын

Gotcha! Thanks for the claification. Great and entertaining video Peter!

at 3:05 The chainsaw sprite was by taking real life photos of someone holding this chainsaw so I don't think they reused it

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

I meant they reused the Doom sprite in Wolfenstein, as Doom came out sooner than that port.

@LAMAROUX34

6 ай бұрын

@@GermanPeter ah yes sorry I forgot, I thought this was the other way around

A fun fact that I learned just yesterday: the Führer himself invented the term "assault rifle" or "Sturmgewehr" if you speak German. So, uhh, yeah, do with that what you will.

@oddishsmile7368

6 ай бұрын

I prefer to call him Shitler.

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Some of these are not really convincing, like the faces. Could just be that they were drawn by the same artist in the same resolution. When you work with pixel art you do end up repeating yourself a lot like that-there are only so many ways to draw a similar-looking nose in 4x6 pixels after all..

Will you do Atomic Heart video?

adolf taggart or flynn hitler?

didn't wolfenstein come first?

@GermanPeter

6 ай бұрын

The Jaguar port came out after Doom.

@jokerfd2

6 ай бұрын

@@GermanPeter oh ok

Wow, well it looks like the games with the same artists can have similar graphics.. however those faces of doomguy and wolfenstein bosses are very uncovnincing, those looks like completely diferent images by same author, nothing more

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so if doomguy is hitler then is moonman doom canon?

"Hitler is Doomguy." I'd never thought I'd hear that in my life.

germany

Those are from the Macintosh family of ports

Grosses chaingun was used in heavy weapon dude

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