I just clicked on the video because of the word "teatfire". ....seriously, amazing how many odd cartridge/ignition designs there were during the 1800's...

@01100101011100100111

4 жыл бұрын

I clicked on the video convinced my corrupted brain was reading something into that name that wasn't there. Turns out, I was reading it right. I can only imagine the jokes back in the day.

@kokogdak8151

3 жыл бұрын

@@01100101011100100111 Same to me, this is titfire as hell.

@hubert_c

2 жыл бұрын

I read tea-fire, I was intrigued all the same.

That cartridge design is quite ingenious.

Very neat little design. Had never heard of a teatfire cartridge and had to make sure I read that correctly the first time.

I found one of these on trade in 1991. I still have the pistol. Shot about 80 rounds of ammo thru it. I wish I still had the ammo. Going for about 40 to 60 dollars per round. Got it in A package deal trading A H&R shotgun and A High Standard .22 Revolver. Good Old Days!!!!!

Just purchased one of these at an auction and was searching for it and found this video. Very nice to have found this information and breakdown

This would be interesting today if (with modern steels) something like this could be made in 327 Federal. With the open top, spur trigger, birds head grip it is so sleek & relatively snagless. LOOKS like the size would work with the 327, with sight plane long enough to give some accuracy. Great for hiking and special application self defense.

It's got to be fun finding ammo for one of these

@fmjmanarroyo1342

3 жыл бұрын

Easier than 9mm now

A nice work-around of the patent :)

this was a really cool one, loved it

I only watched this video for one reason and that was because it was called a teat fire and I grew up on a farm where there were many teats firing all over the place

The Cornwall factory eventually closed in 2003, but the town museum still has two remaining Holman Projectors in its collection. If you are in the UK the Holman projector is worth a look... Regards, Hoggable.

That's a pretty little gun. I'd love to have a reproduction that would fire some kind of modern cartridge.

@01100101011100100111

4 жыл бұрын

Hell, I'd want a reproduction gun and cartridge, just to see how they fired.

i like the detent style cylinder stop design. if the ball were of a larger diameter and the socket for the detent were smaller and deeper into the cylinder it would allow for a greater amount of wear without it becoming sloppy.

@noahbradshaw3774

9 жыл бұрын

dale myers it would be cooler if it was a blowback.

@dalemyers9265

9 жыл бұрын

what? now your being facetious. i have a fix for that.

They had some wonderful mechanical designs during this period of history.

Colt updated the cylinder stop bolt design of their "new line" series of pocket revolvers in 1874 to something like how this Moore's teatfire pistol's rear cylinder stop works. Colt must have aquired a few Patents when they took over National firearm company.

Do you have a doctorate in firearms history Ian? If not, you should have for your prodigious knowledge of the field. Another fascinating insight into nineteenth century revolver design.

@ForgottenWeapons

9 жыл бұрын

John Brooks Find me a university that offers such a degree and I'll talk to them. :)

@aperkausn

9 жыл бұрын

Forgotten Weapons You most certainly have a metric crap-ton (different than an imperial crap-ton) more mechanical knowledge than 99% of the mechanical engineering graduates I've worked with.

@lokalnyork

8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons Doesn't US army have some sort of history course for their soldiers? (I'm not American and I'm basing it on Renaissance Man with Danny DeVito)

@MartinWillett

8 жыл бұрын

+aperkausn Metric crap-tons are actually smaller than imperial crap-tons, I have no idea where the idea has sprung up from that making something metric makes it bigger or better. A US short ton is 907 Kg, a metric ton (or tonne, but never a -metric tonne- please) is 1000 Kg but a proper Imperial Ton (or long ton in the US) is 1016 Kg. So the phrase should be an IMPERIAL crap-ton. If it helps you can imagine the bonus 16.05 Kg as being the perfect amount (assuming the consistency of standard horse turds) to form a pile on a podium sufficient to hide the politician behind it.

@livenishikireaction

Жыл бұрын

all he said was different

All these odd ignition cartridges developed because of colts patent. That is the most interesting part of firearms for me is the development and pursuit of more dakka. And all the different trends that coincide with the times. And all the different political, industrial, economic, and geographic factors that create a physical timestamp in history. Pretty neat.

the people who made these were clever.

I really enjoy hearing about the people and companies cut down again and again but still able to overcome obstacles, resulting in being successful. You don't hear to much about that now'a'days.

@chrthiel

9 жыл бұрын

Granite Sure you do, they're just usually called conmen, scammers and does of questionable business. Moore started a company specifically to break the law.

@Granite

9 жыл бұрын

That is super interesting still!

@Nukle0n

9 жыл бұрын

chrthiel It might've been breaking the law, but considering how ridiculous it is that you could patent such a small difference in design it seems pretty obvious why people would want to. Seems to be borderline antitrust, but nobody cared about fair competition in the 1800's, it was a time of robber barons and industrial magnates the world hasn't seen the like of since.

@D8W2P4

9 жыл бұрын

chrthiel That was a patent that needed to be broken, and it never should have been granted in the first place.

@D8W2P4

9 жыл бұрын

Nukle0n We have the robber barons and industrial magnates in great supply even now.

Just saw one today in an auction, never seen anything like this before

One of these is for sale on gunbroker currently for $79. It looks identical to this one

very neat.

You had me at teatfire!

Interesting that in a time where elaborate ornamentation on guns (and other objects) was common place this design for a cylinder stop isn't more common place in the big names. You'd think that something like that would be much more preferable to the other method that always ends up destroying the face. Also, funny that this gun has a blank cylinder. Maybe others have been engraved??

Hey Ian have you ever considered doing reviews of other gun history shows that have really shitty re-enactment footage? A prime example is a recent NatGeo Channel episode of their American Genius series that tried to show the development of the Colt revolver and rivalry between Colt and the Wesson brothers. One of its biggest fails is that they show clashes between Texas Rangers and Mexicans with both sides using Henry 1860 rifles in the early 1840s! Particularly hilarious is the actor playing Captain Sam Walker pretending to muzzleload his shotgun despite the fact its a hammerless breechloader! Very John Wayne level historical inaccuracy!

@farmerboy916

9 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget them implying the manufacture of lever action Winchesters (I believe 1894, but I'm not good at distinguishing them) in supposedly the 1830's/40's.

@MrReded69

9 жыл бұрын

farmerboy916 Any Winchester before 1866 is inaccurate! This is SOOO like that John Wayne movie The Commancheros which is set in 1846, starts with Wayne saying, "Yer just making nice with the US now that ya mean to join us up to the Union." and yet has everybody armed with a Colt 1873 and a Winchester(types varying from 1866 to 1894)!

@farmerboy916

9 жыл бұрын

MrReded69 I think what I found the most annoying about the show (I mainly found the anachronistic elements amusing, and they were absolutely everywhere; for instance, electric lamps from the 1940's in the 1840's) was that they mostly reused the same 6 or so shots whenever they were portraying the shop, or factory, or building. Happened probably 10-15 times.

@DodgeDeora25

9 жыл бұрын

MrReded69 WHHAAAAT next thing you wil tell me that hms barham was not sunk at leyte gulf and the szent estevan wasnt sunk on the murmansk run

@farmerboy916

9 жыл бұрын

MrReded69 Speaking of anachronistic firearms, I was at a bunch of museums/ historic places from the late Spanish/ Mexican period of California history (though primarily 1840's) yesterday on a day trip. A mission, barracks, and an adobe, run by the state park service as museums. Saw at least 2 depictions of Winchester lever action rifles in that period, and numerous other inaccuracies that just made me cringe.

Got hit by 2 teatlands the other night, still in recovery

Could you have a person craft you a one-off that breaks patents? Or would that be just as illegal as mass producing it?

lol now I see why it was called a 'teatfire'

Hi Ian, I was wondering if you have ever come across a 1912 FN Brevette .22 Boy's Rifle? I've been looking for information about the # of units produced.

Hey Ian, and everyone reading this! Was this revolver as effective as an standard revolver fot the day?

Why did no one make shouldered cartridge revolvers to get past the patent

Do they make modern revolvers with a similar style?

That cartridge looks like it would make an easy conversion from cap-and-ball.

How the hell did someone machine the cylinder drive-face in 1864? No CNC, all by hand...Plus no electricity, so a steam powered mill &/or lathe?

Hello Is there any literature on how the cartridge was fabricated?

MY NIPPLES EXPLODE WITH DELIGHT...and primer compound

I have serial #29 and the cylinder stop is of a different design. A tab on the lower right frame engages in diagonal slots in the cylinder. When do you suppose they made the change?

If you wanted to remove an unused cartridge, you'd have to open the gate, but opening the gate would push the ejector against the primer.

That used the oddest cartridge ever

I have a question. I just bought a vise at a sale. It is marked..( Rock Island #192 ) I know that During the wars machine shops would convert to making weapon parts. I can't find much info on this vise. Do you know if any connection to the Rock Island Armory? Your knowledge of firearm history still amazes me!! Thanks for any info!

I bet teatfire cartridges would fetch as much as the pistol, if they could be found intact.

I would have loved to see you do an episode on the pancor jackhammer, but that gun doesn't exist outside a few prototypes

@sergeantbigmac

9 жыл бұрын

dareddevil6 Ya, it never got out of prototype phase and there are only a few... I dont even know where theyre held. Im sure if he could he would!

Ah, yes. The condom cartridge 😂

I expected this to be the guns from Austin Powers...

I have one with date correct ammo ...it is on loan to a museum for the next 10 years .95% CORRECT

@zachtaylor1288

4 жыл бұрын

What are they worth my dad has one

csn you still get ammo fro this pistol?

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Not really.

@stainlezz6021

7 жыл бұрын

Ok, i find one in a barn hear in sweden

Moar tittyfire!

that monopoly though.. and having to turn your weapons over to S&W is the kick in the teeth after getting punched in the gut

@kmoecub

7 жыл бұрын

Holding a patent is not the same as having a monopoly. Were it a monopoly we'd (theoretically) be discussing the S&W Peacemaker, and the S&W 1911, and the S&W-15, because there wouldn't be any other firearms manufacturers; S&W would have been alowed to buy them all out. As far as infringing on a patent is concerned; play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

@SurmaSampo

7 жыл бұрын

Actually the patent system is designed specifically to give the patent holder a monopoly on the production of the patented invention. They had an effective monopoly on the cartridge cylinder for use in revolving action firearms. It fits the definition of Monopoly accurately.

Recently picked one up but it only goes to half cock and has no hand. Can't find any replacement parts.

It seems very fragile

Fish

911 in 1861!

Hehehehe. Teat.

Heh teat

lol teatfire you have to be kidding

While the mechanisms in antique guns are often fascinating,I find it troubling that Americans were (and are ) obsessed with small,concealable firearms that can kill due to some misunderstanding,or when the shooter is drunk.

Heh heh heh Teat

Cows have teats too, co inky dink? I think not.

NICE LITTLE GUN BUT PIN FIRE ARMS ARE JUST ANOTHER GUN YOU CANT FIND ANY ROUNDS FOR ANYWHERE. THEY WERE NOT A VERY GOOD GUN BECAUSE OF THAT ROUND.