Jeans down, this is the best python logging explanation I've ever seen. Brilliant work.

@threeme2189

3 ай бұрын

I will start saying jeans down instead of hands down from this day on. It is, jeans down, the better of the two!

@hammerheadcorvette4

3 ай бұрын

Jeans Down?!

@greob

3 ай бұрын

⁠pants down

@VideoklipBG

3 ай бұрын

pantsu down But seriously, this is genuinely the best guide I've seen and I'm working with Python regularly. I have been implementing logging very similarly, just without `dictConfig`. I didn't know you can specify custom classes like that. Only managed to set up stdout and file rotation one time then scrappted it because I don't want to waste time on logging.

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Agreed, we all say "jeans down" now.

That "include the timezone, *trust me*" has some history... xD

@hemerythrin

3 ай бұрын

"If you trust your users to do that kind of thing... *silent head shake*"

@Jakub1989YTb

3 ай бұрын

Working with time is the worst :D *trust me*. HAving users in another timezone... I'd rather write them a whole separate app :D

@Naej7

3 ай бұрын

Don’t use timezones, put everything in UTC

@playerguy2

3 ай бұрын

While I never had this issue before, the first time I hand-rolled a logging system for a small service _I was later glad I had the foresight to include the offset from UTC._

@playerguy2

3 ай бұрын

​@@hemerythrintrust users? Buddy, I don't trust myself.

I’ve always found Python logging super opaque. After hours of reading and playing around, I still never really understood it. Somehow, in 20 minutes, you covered way more than I even knew was possible and it all makes so much sense now! Thank you! PS: Still waiting on your C++ value category video 🤞

@maxrinehart4177

3 ай бұрын

That why I love the old style programming youtubers, unlike the new programming influencers who react to articles and tech news. Mad respect for you James. ❤

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

My only hesitation with value categories video is that I have to choose whether it will be slightly incorrect or slightly incomprehensible.

@atrus3823

3 ай бұрын

​@@mCoding I'll accept either 😂. It's just another topic I struggle with, and you always have a way for making things understandable 🙏

@heroe1486

2 ай бұрын

@@maxrinehart4177Or straight up say nonsense and are closer to instagram influencers than actual devs, like a certain "blond" one, the problem is that there are some juniors listening to them

@maxrinehart4177

2 ай бұрын

@@heroe1486 it's a disease, spilled out from instathots to wannabe programmers, the problem is the huge numbers of followers who watch this nonsense that bring no value. They bring nothing of value and it's a crime they are so popular and the actual competent tech youtubers are not. Not only the blonde one but that another guy called prime, he deleted my comments and banned me for saying his react videos bring no actual values.

This is my favorite format of your videos so far. No memey images, just solid information with dry humor and guiding text peppered helpfully throughout. Great content as usual.

This channel is dangerously underrated

As someone who owns a library, and rolled my own logger (in JavaScript), I appreciate the deep dive in proper logger design and methodology. I may not be able to use the examples here, but the lesson is well-received. As a self-taught developer, I missed a lot of the history in why things are written the way they are.

@DJStompZone

3 ай бұрын

You own a library? Nice! Do you have one of those rolling ladders to get to the high-up books?

Wow... every python video from you is pure Gold. I'm only aware of one "recent" async video, but maybe you could do a more detailed video on async and await in python. I and certainly thousands of others would appreciate this. Keep up the awesome work!

This breakdown on the logger is truly amazing. One comment regarding the queue handler implementation 18:11 . This implementation only works, as is, on Python 3.12 as prior versions don't have that available for dictConfig.

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, and you are right. Users not yet on the current stable Python (3.12) may want to subclass QueueHandler, both to create the QueueListener as well as to start its thread automatically.

@jrat104

3 ай бұрын

@@mCodingI was looking forward to using this but i am stuck at 3.9 for reasons. Now to figure out how to do this

Thank you for this tutorial. Nothing new for me, but finally a nice comprehensive and modern approach. I totally agree with the statement "the tutorials are from people that are not using it". Sadly that's true for many other tutorials.

The reason I love this channel and learned a lot from it is, James is one of the few programming content creators that have experience. Him saying "You know what works best for you" is an ironclad example for that

The "complete logging picture" @02:44 is what I've been missing. Thank you!

I appreciate that you emphasized that the built-in logging library is the standard. Since there are some other competitors out there, it can be a bit confusing trying to evaluate whether to use the built-in or not. Thank you.

This is a great deal better than other Python logging videos and tutorials that I have seen. They might cover the basics, but miss out pretty much entirely about information you need to know when you really want to get into logging with packages, subpackages, and user libraries, Thanks.

A video like this was much needed in KZread, thanks so much! I've learn some new things I can now work on

I've literally been trying to understand python logging for the past few days. This is easily the best video I've come across!

Great video on standard library logging, but one thing to add is that I can recommend using library called structlog (for structured logs as name suggests), which are very useful especially for bigger applications, where we want to aggregate, store, parse and analyze logs on the system level. Structured logs are way easier to parse, thus analyze, so I think it's nice to have this library in your Python dev toolkit.

Added to my reference library. This is invaluable. Thank you @mCoding.

Loguru is straight up the best

@markasiala6355

3 ай бұрын

I recently found this as well. Great library.

@karserasl

3 ай бұрын

Also thread safe. There isnt any reason why you shouldn't use loguru everywhere

@dandan-gf4jk

3 ай бұрын

lol my comment got deleted but this thread reads like those crypto scams😂

@marcbresson6548

2 ай бұрын

@@karseraslactually there is. Loguru does not support multiple loggers. There is only one.

Very very good. The explanation of the mental model is Gold! Finally a video that makes it simpler by showing the whole picture and what to skip instead of just showing the bare minimum which would leave you too ignorant to see both the the forrest and the trees.

One of the best Python channels on KZread, great tutorial

i love you. i didnt google for logging tutorial. I just watch your videos whenever there is a new on my main page

Just introduced myself to the logging module a week back, nice coincidence you making this video

pure gold! I been wanting to master the logging concepts for a long time now!

When I started working with the logging module it seemed difficult to understand. But actually, after 2-3 hours I admired how powerful yet simple it turns out to be. Really, you plug it in and it just works.

Best video on logging I’ve seen yet. Learned a lot, thanks!

This is amazing content. Very concise and thorough, and you cover the concept in much greater depth than any other sources I've come across.

structured logging gold. Thank you, Mr. Murphy!

Excellent logging summary/best practices! Thank you so much!

This is an incredibly valuable information. Since this is only applicable for applications and not libraries, this is not openly discussed anywhere nor available on Github. Thanks for sharing.

This is a great condensed tutorial, respect! But, I do need to add that I don't really agree on the "one logger only" rule. In a lot of cases I have learned it's very valuable to seperate logging user activity from the technical logging. In a lot of applications you would want to log user activities for legal reasons and have the technical stuff for development reasons. I'm a big proponent of seperating the two. In most applications I've worked on we have a technical logger and an audit logger. They both log VERY different stuff and have different handlers and formatters. Technical stuff goes into files and sometimes email inboxes while the audit logs go into some elastic search cluster through a kafka bus just to make sure we have the persistence.

For anyone interested in quick and dirty logging for debug purposes, there's also watchpoints, which lets you monitor any variable for changes.

@wchen2340

2 ай бұрын

keep talking!

@AzinFiro

2 ай бұрын

@@wchen2340 rich.inspect()

@AzinFiro

2 ай бұрын

@@wchen2340 Use rich inspect() instead of print().

Finally I understand Python logging. I really hope one day they actually create a better logging package. Every project needs logging and it should not be this difficult and outdated, especially when it comes to Python.

@youtubeenjoyer1743

3 ай бұрын

Have you seen the most popular packages on pypi? It is full of libraries built with bad decisions, bad API design, bad programming practices, bad documentation. And recently it has gotten even worse, because now all code is either type hinted or not, and is written for asyncio or not. And these new async packages are going through all the same problems that were solved decades ago for the older packages. It’s a huge mess.

@italianphilosopher6571

3 ай бұрын

It's Java-inspired. Difficulty, unobviousness and fussiness are a feature, not a bug.

Epic walkthrough. The standard logger has always been a bit of a black box and logs have always been a bit of an issue as my apps have grown. This is exactly what I needed.

you really have great content, and the detail in which you go to explain a concept is really appreciation worthy. thanks for these videos, they are really informative and helpful

Amazing, comprehensive, and clear. Thank you.

I cannot overstate the value of this video. I was postponing e deep dive into logging, which I would have had this video sooner!

This is, by far, the most clear and helpful explanation of Python logging I've ever seen. Thank you!

Animations are nice, but knowing that it's his hand dragging/dropping the graphics makes this intuitive to follow. Great subtlety of presentation.

Absolutely stellar work. Thank you!

I salute you mister for enlightening us with this video. Thank you very much!

I used a mix of print and logging in my application just to take quick look of what happened at a glance. Wasn't aware of json lines and queue handler. I had switched from standard json library to orjson to get considerable speedup when handling mixture of celery task uuid, objects, dates in different formats etc. Thanks for sharing

Very thorough! Thank you for putting this together! Well done!

this is geniusly explained of how to use rarely used logging

This is some invaluable information. Thanks for the video.

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

So great to have content like this

I have learned a ton from this video and channel. Such high quality! Thank you!

@mCoding

Ай бұрын

You're welcome!

You had me cracking up. This is very relevant in what I’m working on right now. Gonna create a new boilerplate

Great quality videos, as always :) Thank you for the learning (and the entertainment, to be fair)

Wow, this is super useful. I was looking for something like this for my setup

Wow, this was an amazing tutorial... Thank you so much for making this!

@mCoding

Ай бұрын

And thank you for watching!

Best python logging video ever.

Woah thanks for this amazing video. I never used to know what I was doing with python logging

Pure gold. Thank you, sir!

@mCoding

Ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

The acting on this video is impeccable

Sometimes I don't understand a word you say, not because of your videos, but for the current knowledge I have. I still enjoyed your videos 😃

When I started with the current professional work, I looked into Python logging, found many people frustrated, and wrote the logger myself. Normally I am not a fan of the DIY mentality in software, but I think I saved time this way and have what I need.

This is very nice. Extremely useful for out-of-the-box best practices for Python logging. I personally use "pip install loguru" for any projects I set up for logging, since it handles a lot of things automatically and removes so much boiletplate.

I like to also set up probabilistic trace logging, where some (usually small) portion of the work is logged end to end, with the portion changeable at runtime. If something doesn't seem right, being able to trace 1 of 10000 events can be really handy. That takes a bit more setup in the code, but it's super useful.

18:04 Leaving a note here that QueueHandler config is only available in Python 3.12, according to the logging.config docs

this is amazing! thank you so much!

Very good and detailed, thanks

Best. Explanation. Ever. Thank you.

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

proper timestamps in logging is probably the most underrated element, until everyone realizes oh we are trying debug a multi-threading real time service.

My team and I have recently been working with trying to get multiple loggers setup and deleting the old logs locally after some time. I'd say this is incredible timing but I'd be lying, having this massively useful video would have been even better last week! But still, thanks so much for sharing your expertise!

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like you need to hire us to do a code review! You're very welcome regardless.

@aliwelchoo

3 ай бұрын

Code & architecture review I'd say! I'll definitely be seeing whether we can

this is amazing, thank you!

HE IS BACK !!!

Great video, with very valuable information. Thanks for sharing!

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great video james

Excellent video, got a new subscriber.

Wowwwwww, I'm immediately cloning and implementing in my app. THX🙏

@zyphtron

3 ай бұрын

What are you really cloning?

Hi! Fantastic video. What is you opinion on structlog, and how it could help avoid writing our own formatters?

Awesome work! thank you a lot!!

This video is a gift from heaven 🎉 Thanks so lot for making such high quality content helping devs around the world write better code

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

I appreciate your very kind praise 😅

Thx for a very good explanation of python logging. I've done this whole thing so many times at different companies, in different way. The queue handler was new to me however, I guess performance wasn't of that importance. One thing I would add is that while JSON format is great for programmatically parsing, I wouldn't say it's as human readable as colorized text. This is what I would use locally when developing and then use JSON when deployed.

Superb 👍this is pure value addtion, class apart from N numbers of videos showing ABC of Python endlessly.

thank you i finally understand it now, have been struggling with python logging since the start of my cs journey😂

learned something new today

Really great video, thank you! On 20:00, it's worth mentioning that the default behavior, if I'm not mistaken, is for debug/info logs to go to stderr as well which I've always found unintuitive.

@mCoding

26 күн бұрын

Yeah, I've found that to be an unintuitive default as well. It goes against the principle of not using stderr as just an extra stream. It should really be just for errors as intended.

Your video did set me on the right course for logging but it is far cleverer than what you showed,. PS I do watch your videos on most things as they are extremely helpful.

That deadpan headshake at 10:31 was great 😂

Dude... I've been using logger since.... _years_ , and I had no notion of dictConfig's existence! Fair enough, I'm a DevOps/SysOps guy, so I pretty much only use the same handlers, stdout, stderr, and systemd-journald, which makes things easy enough to knock out, but still. Thanks! 🙂

Thanks sincerely for your brilliant video. I have a question that PyCharm seems not to have a good support for color display of the different levels for the logging module.

The most basic concepts of python logging module people don't understand is that configuration of logging itself must be done by the end user, not frameworks or libraries, all what they suppose to do is to import logging, get logger and do logging calls.

Yeah as many mentioned I just use loguru too. It makes it really simpler without all the boilerplate which I couldn't remember even after years of using logging

Great and concise content, did not know about dictconfig yet. Thanks! Around 08:40 you mention the weird format str syntax. As an alternative there is the style keyword which accepts "{", then the format str can be much more like fstrings.

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Great tip! I do tend to stick to the json approach, though! 😉

I remember having to explicitly murder a library's own logging config, because they were logging as plain text and we wanted everything as JSON. It was very annoying until I did some involved introspection on the logging system.

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Haha, what a vivid depiction, I've felt that pain, too.

Finished yesterday a one week long logging project. If only I had watched your video before that...

Great video, I've been using logging for a while, but I might tune my setup with what I learned just now! I agree that yaml is very error prone (look up "Norway problem"), but I've also come to the conclusion that JSON is good for data exchange, but not for config files. For config, I've started using TOML. The syntax is a mix of JSON and .ini, but it's far less error prone than yaml, it has trailing commas, comments and can be read and written programmatically without losing formatting. Like yaml, it wasn't included in the stdlib, but there is now an implementation in Python 3.11+

@D0Samp

3 ай бұрын

There's also JSON5 as an extension for human-writable JSON that allows such things as trailing commas in objects and lists, comments, single quote strings, hexadecimal numbers etc. For example, it's used for the configuration file of the Windows 11 terminal app. The JSON module in the Python library is only meant for serialization, however.

One important thing you forgot to mention: logging.getLogger(logger_name) returns a singleton for each logger_name. The logic is kind of like: if logger_name not in dict_of_all_existing_loggers: dict_of_all_existing_loggers[logger_name] = LoggerClass() return dict_of_all_existing_loggers[logger_name] Or in other words: It's memoized This means, if you use multithreading or multiprocessing, you don't need to pass the logger instance to the worker threads/processes; rather, for each worker, have them fetch the singleton object by invoking logging.getLogger(logger_name).

Not me watching the video and configuring my library logging bit by bit and then seeing the note at the end for libraries LMAO. Oh well, time to delete all that code. Great video though, definitely will use these tips in my Python apps.

@mCoding

3 ай бұрын

Whoops lol. 🤭

I like your humor 😊

We were doing this way only except non-blocking Queue one. Thanks

Thanks. One thing you could have mentionned is that a library developper could create a filter for his own logger(s).

Nice tips for the Queue Handlers! Btw, be careful with thread-safe logging if you are using multi-thread inside your application

Much needed explanation! So if I'm writing a bunch of libraries and an application that relies on them, then each library should create its own logger and leave the settings up to the application, is that correct?

Just discovering this, I learnt a lot from your concise video. @mCoding What about using loguru instead of the default logging ?

Python logging is both brilliant and frighteningly complex.

Hey. Really enjoyed actually understanding how logging works. I'm now a little confused about how far I need to go with logging for a somewhat basic ETL pipeline. It's not an overly complex application and doesn't have many moving parts. Based on the sample code, would '3-homework-filtered-stdout-stderr.json' be most appropriate?

Wish I knew all this before creating my own logger!

You always managed to deep dive into the simplest thing and, voilà, I feel like I just learn python again. Great explanation!

@DJStompZone

3 ай бұрын

I felt the same way when python 3 came out.... Mostly just the part about learning python all over again