I love the fact that Golding's reason for writing the book is basically "I'm a school teacher and British school kids can't keep calm under any circumstances, let alone fending for themselves on an island with no adult supervision"

@rowanheart8122

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard British teenagers be compared to wild bears

@guyver441

2 жыл бұрын

So...children of literally ANY culture?!

@maucazalv903

2 жыл бұрын

@@guyver441 yes, that was kind of the point of the book xd most island adventure books give the idea of "British/"every civilized country" kids could overcome these situations thanks to their intelligence" but in a very easy way, kind of like Isekais being power-fantasies based on the idea of being in a less advanced world(? if kind of like "yeah knowing advanced math is good but unless you can cover basics needs like food u wouldn't survive the wild enough to give an actual use to your knowledge" *which honestly I like for some reason*

@princeaz4138

2 жыл бұрын

@@rowanheart8122 We got called feral hooligans

@summersweetheart

Жыл бұрын

can confirm as a British school kid

I love the fact that this entire book was literally the author complaing about the little assholes he was teaching and wrote and entire book about how if they were forced into a survival situation they'd all die because they suck.

@danwroy

2 жыл бұрын

If that were true it would have been a lot worse

@RecordedMercury

2 жыл бұрын

You do realize he was also a war veteran and most of what he's saying is a criticism of war and the violence that plauges mankind right?

@RecordedMercury

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine missing the entire fucking point of a book. I really doubt he made this book because "kids suck". That's so fucking dumb you even said that

@flightless2680

2 жыл бұрын

@@RecordedMercury Jeez, chill out. Its not that serious.

@julialungan4722

2 жыл бұрын

@@RecordedMercury chill. Did somebody piss in your cereals?

what the teacher says: "the author is trying to represent the battle of nurture vs. nature, of civilization vs. our innate instinc-" William Golding, who I just raised from the dead: "children are little shits so I wrote a book about it"

@wandanemer2630

3 жыл бұрын

I believe that.

@Pyre

3 жыл бұрын

This is *absolutely* the correct interpretation.

@emperorthylord

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, yes my nephew is worse than uncle adolf

@derekbates4316

2 жыл бұрын

really? Cuz my take was that he liked lil', half naked boys.

@bjjkickboxing7876

2 жыл бұрын

@@emperorthylord give your nephew a chance and he will blow the whole european continent up and have no remorse

"Imma call it Shelly" "Seems fair" "So Ralph blows Shelly..." "nO"

@Ohflipsnap

4 жыл бұрын

We haven't even gotten to the gruesome parts of this story and already I'm scarred for life!

@mvmlego1212

3 жыл бұрын

While I'm ashamed to say that I got a good laugh out of that, I'm still wondering how that works, anatomically speaking.

@zEr-ne5ri

3 жыл бұрын

@Mateo Gg I laughed when she said that to............that’s what she said

@Grim_Sister

3 жыл бұрын

(Snorts) I’m am a grown woman, I should have grown past this kind of humor

@attackonponyproductions4927

3 жыл бұрын

This is immature... but I'm 17 so... Lol!

I always wondered how Ralph and Jack readjust... just see each other in the halls like... “Oh... it’s.. uh... you...” “Yeah.... uh...” “How uh... how ya been?” “Fine.... fine...” “Okay... I uh... gotta go to class” “We murdered two innocent children” “Right then... cya... around..”

@kn1ght-788

3 жыл бұрын

I think I need to write a fanfiction, excuse me...

@kn1ght-788

3 жыл бұрын

Random Classmate: “Why do you have such a problem with Jack? He doesn’t really seem all that bad.” Ralph: Stares at the camera like Jim Halpert.

@ineffabledolphin9139

3 жыл бұрын

KN1GHT - i dare you to write a fic. Link it when ur done

@captivecat5858

3 жыл бұрын

Well Ralph didn’t kill anyone.

@ghostysstories3104

3 жыл бұрын

so...um... sorry for trying to kill you?

Golding was actually a teacher at an all boys school and knew how typical boys behaved. So after reading the popular adventure books of young boys living off the land on a dessert island, he thought: "Are you serious? That would never happen. I'll show you the real outcome of pre pubescent boys being forced to share living space and having real responsibilities for 2 years." And thus Lord of the Flies was born.

@katspurway645

6 жыл бұрын

I would love to live on a dessert island! I'd just eat ice cream until I was sick!

@Ie_Shima

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair much of the original writings, the most popular of which would be "The Coral Island", have the boys be much older, in their mid to late teens, and either acting as crewmen aboard a merchant ship or midshipmen aboard a warship. They were also set much earlier than "Lord of the Flies" ranging from 1690 to 1850ish, in a time when "children grew up much faster" or became more mature in a shorter span of time than, say, a group of prep school pre-teens from 1940's or 50's England. This means that the characters are older, wiser, far more mature, and are most likely capable of actually thinking beyond the next 10 minutes. Also, I have never known a teacher who actually thinks that the brats they have to deal with for 8 hours of the day can be capable of conscious thought without their help.

@hamster_in_a_wheel_8099

5 жыл бұрын

a DESSERT island not a deserted island but it was a joke on the misspellings of the first comment

@bobshore1977

5 жыл бұрын

Btw they were saying big ones and little ones. Littluns and bigguns basically just their accents

@ES50678

5 жыл бұрын

pre-pubescant well off properly spoiled English boys* This book acts like it's a representation of humanity but is only representative of one group of people. Maybe because Golding only recognized white men as human and all others as less he failed to thoroughly think through what would actually happen if humans lost "civilization" and had to live together in the wild. But I mean humans never had to live off the wild without modern amenities.... except for like most of human history.

The real lord of the flies was the friends they made along the way

@hotelbellamuerte3669

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda

@Maxisamo1

3 жыл бұрын

The friends they *killed* along the way

@magentaplatinum1430

3 жыл бұрын

yeah... sure... uh... gonna forget the fact that they doomed their selves several times by killing their own people

@caleb_artzs2533

3 жыл бұрын

@@Maxisamo1 *Bruh* to true

@KellyCalKelsey

3 жыл бұрын

You know what that's actually kinda True, the Lord of The Flies himself states that he's inside every human on earth.

Oh you forgot the best part, the Naval Officer finds the boys and berates them, asking how they could act so savagely toward each other and kill one another rather than act civilized, then looks back at his waiting battleship offshore and realizes the war their fighting is a direct mirroring of the violence that the boys commited only on a more grand and organized scale thus showing what happens when those same boys become men in "civilized" society with the same impulsiveness and fears displayed on the island. A pretty epic moment of self awareness and allegory 👍

@orlandogreenhow2870

4 жыл бұрын

Jordan Barnette Doesn’t the naval officer joke that the whole ordeal is just them playing a game resembling war? Also, him appearing right at the end (and the first adult they meet since the pilot) essentially implying that the adult world is just the island but on a much bigger scale as it is just a massive war

@eyegrinder94

4 жыл бұрын

@@orlandogreenhow2870 I would argue that a crazy person rallying an entire country into a giant death cult with the intent of murdering everyone who doesn't have his favourite genes is kind of worth going to war over.

@zennistrad

4 жыл бұрын

The whole point of the book isn't to expose "human nature," as many English teachers will tell you. It's _specifically_ a commentary on British colonialism and imperialism, demonstrating that beneath all of the British rhetoric about "civilizing" the untamed world, the truth is that they're astonishingly brutal and cruel when stripped of all pretenses. That's why the war that the British are fighting is intentionally made parallel to the events on the island. The entire "British schoolchildren set up Civilization on an island" genre that LotF takes to task was based on a colonialist narrative to begin with.

@kilroy6429

4 жыл бұрын

**Frantically edits English paper**

@Machialemmi

4 жыл бұрын

@@eyegrinder94 ashamed German noises

If you are ever stuck on a deserted island, build a giant triangle out of stones, with a fire at each point. This creates an unmistakable distress signal.

@kabobawsome

5 жыл бұрын

It works with most geometric shapes really. Mainly because it's extremely unnatural to have several, small, isolated, well-maintained fires in a perfect geometric shape. Triangle is the easiest one, though. Because it has the least number of fires, meaning easier maintenance.

@justme7410

4 жыл бұрын

I learn something new everyday. Thank you, people of the internet.

@trod146

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah because All the effort of building the triangle and finding wood and maintaining 3 fires is totally fucking possible...

@virgin_olive_oil7550

4 жыл бұрын

hmmmmm an ark reference I see

@ram333

4 жыл бұрын

@Star Saber nice one

"See, Jack is one of those people who'd rather establish his own badassery than actually get them all rescued." You mean like darn near everyone in _The Walking Dead?_

@dragonheart1236

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone in my dnd group...... ..... Including myself

@trod146

4 жыл бұрын

There is no "rescue" in the walking dead... shitty comparison.

@Cajek2

4 жыл бұрын

...or Trump.

@Apollo_G

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cajek2 or like 95% of politicians

@aidoll3692

3 жыл бұрын

@@trod146 honestly i could say something dickish but it just seems your bitter about something and your lasting out...

We had to write an extended ending for English class. Keeping with the tradition of this book that everything is dust. I wrote Ralph became a depressed and disillusioned alcoholic at a VERY young age (I implied it started right after coming back to civilization) while the others adapted really well and never mentioned it. Jack lied and implied he was the real hero which he used as an adult to give him a rise in politics....my teacher wrote in the notes "Just as depressing...good job!"

@nathanseper8738

2 жыл бұрын

The really sad thing is....I can actually see that happening in real life.

@positivelink6961

2 жыл бұрын

Holy fuck. I can see this actually happening

@mahnoorahmad1690

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that you got to write lord of the flies fanfiction In class is just… wow

@Zamntron

2 жыл бұрын

I wrote: "The ship then got attacked by japanese fighter planes and the ship explodes and everyone fucking dies."

@GamerAJ-1025

2 жыл бұрын

Wait they actually asked you to write fanfiction in school?

One of the most depressing realizations I've come to after I finished reading the book was that we never really got to learn Piggy's real name. He was picked on and bullied so much as well that the fact that we don't even know his name throughout the whole story, and even after his untimely demise made me grief so much harder for him. He truly didn't deserve the end that he met.

@kyrab7914

10 ай бұрын

I wonder why that is? Maybe for the reason you just stated, I'm just wondering if piggy=adulthood, wth does that mean?

@ellynneg.6926

Ай бұрын

One of the themes in the book losing personal identity (and morality) to pressures of the group. The boys in the school choir, when they first come walking along in their matching uniforms are compared to being a single beast. The twins (and I think this is their only purpose in the book) are treated as a single entity rather than individuals. Piggy's true name is lost (and his destiny to die as prey to the other boys who hunt pigs is also implied).

The real horror is at the end of the book, once you realise that all the 'civilisation' talk is made by a grown up, who is in the middle of fighting a war. It's subtle to pick up, but that is the message. Nothing changes. The grownups are even more savage than the boys on the island.

@General12th

4 жыл бұрын

If that was completely true, everyone would be murdering everyone else constantly.

@SerDerpish

4 жыл бұрын

J.J. Shank in absence of laws, that is exactly what happens. To quote Louis CK: “The main thing preventing murder is the law against murder.”

@joycelinlgbtq

4 жыл бұрын

Actually the real horror was the confusing prose.

@mr.cup6yearsago211

4 жыл бұрын

Julie Walker not necessarily. Like, obviously we need laws, but shockingly, humans are a compassionate species that don’t default to wanting to murder each other in all situations.

@mr.cup6yearsago211

4 жыл бұрын

Kerberos panzer cop I would recommend you attempt to move to the nation named Literally Anywhere Else as soon as you possibly can, because that sounds fucking terrible.

"This book needs more dead kids" is my new main book critique.

@grantkelly8696

6 жыл бұрын

Andreas Stormdrake Agreed. May sound insane but I feel like if there was more murders it would've better represented the descent to madness.

@ayiniseasilyamused9215

6 жыл бұрын

Andreas Stormdrake Considering that the books he was criticising were books with totally unrealistic luck in shipwrecked situations, yeah. Any survival based adventures with kid protagonists needs more dead kids.

@BonDieu617

6 жыл бұрын

Go read Worm, the world is slowly getting destroyed by kaijus with superpowers and they're running out of adults with superpowers so a lot of kids with superpowers have to go fight and they all die. It's a pretty upbeat story actually.

@blue-eyedfangirl8760

6 жыл бұрын

good to know that like half of all authors are following your writing advice, myself included

@dayalasingh5853

6 жыл бұрын

Grant Kelly k

"And Ralph wept for the end of innocence, the darkness of man's heart and the fall through the air of the true, wise friend called Piggy." One of the most beautiful, thoroughly depressing, emotionally raw endings to any book I've ever read.

@Couch_Banana

4 жыл бұрын

Too bad it's kinda ruined by the fact that Ralph and Piggy's friendship isn't built-up all that well.

@adhritray6365

4 жыл бұрын

But that is not the ending of the book

@laoshij9382

4 жыл бұрын

@@Couch_Banana How so?

@Couch_Banana

4 жыл бұрын

@@laoshij9382 In the final few chapters, it still feels like Ralph doesn't respect Piggy all that much. Sure, he got better at it as the book went on, but it didn't feel like enough really changed between them. That's just me, though.

@thesunwillneverset

3 жыл бұрын

@@adhritray6365 Yes it is, unless you consider there to be an ending beyond the last line of said book?

Imagine Ralph, poor, traumatized Ralph, on that boat ride though. That child was basically glued to an adult the entire time and you can’t convince me otherwise. They killed Simon and Piggy, it’s implied that the tortured the twins, and they just led a manhunt to try and kill Ralph. I doubt he can be in the same room as Jack without panicking.

I always thought the dead pilot drifting down was meant to symbolize that deep down the adults are no better than they are. They are sitting here waiting for the good rational adults that are peaceful and orderly to come rescue them, but they don't realize the true adulthood that lies behind that image and don't realize that the adults are slaughtering each other in a world just as barbaric as the one they are making for themselves on that island. They want a signal from the adults and dead pilot showing that the adults are too busy killing each other in their own hell to notice them, is that signal.

@doornik1142

5 жыл бұрын

You're not far off. At the end of the book when the naval officer chastises the boys for their uncivilized behavior he turns and awkwardly stares at his own warship moored out on the sea.

@ianbyrne465

5 жыл бұрын

The beauty of literature is... Even when you're "wrong" you can still be right. Just because the message you glean isn't the one that the author had in mind, doesn't mean that it doesn't work as a message.

@MrBitz-om9vo

5 жыл бұрын

Damn I wish I had read this before I had to write my paper

@Giganfan2k1

5 жыл бұрын

As above so below.

@AegixDrakan

5 жыл бұрын

ooooh, I didn't actually realize this on my first read. Good talk, GoodNews Geek.

*New Title:* _Jack and Roger's Excellent Adventure_

@brokenearth7079

4 жыл бұрын

*Bill and Ted Air Guitar noises*

@randallmokjialung3592

3 жыл бұрын

JoRo's Excellent Adventure

@ddietz8778

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone: *brutally murdering a kid* Simon, being murdered: Dude, bogus.

@klairgreystone4655

3 жыл бұрын

Roger's Bizzare Adventure

@jaxyaboy

3 жыл бұрын

More like Jack and Rodger's Bogus Journey

It gives me indescribable joy to learn that Lord of the Flies was an edgy hatefic for a genre that doesn't exist anymore.

@wjzav1971

7 ай бұрын

That's what the Simpsons originally were in the 90s.

For sheer visceral horror, the moment when one of Jack's boys deliberately crushes Piggy's glasses, and he realises he's now blind on an island, really stuck with me. ... Perhaps I shouldn't have read this book when I was myself 11 years old.

@gabesynnott6506

3 жыл бұрын

I read it yesterday, I'm like 15, and the freaking pig head on a stick talking to Simon is going to haunt me for a while! sure do love english class

@maucazalv903

2 жыл бұрын

@@gabesynnott6506 I think I read this with 16 but honestly, as an even younger age we read books like "La Mecanica del corazón" and "nada" In the first one, a kid used the needle of his watch-hearth to cut his bully eye, and in the second one they beat a 12-year-old to death and a bunch of kids raped a girl..... *It didn´t traumatize me but it always annoyed me how our school keep saying that violent behavior was caused by exposing kids to violence in things like games or TV and then made us read that xd*

@blackkitty369

Жыл бұрын

I read this in middle school and it gave me nightmares for a long time.

@potatoextreme4252

Жыл бұрын

I read it when I was nine. And now I am a 13 year old acting Piggy in a play and it still brings me to tears.

@himesilva

Жыл бұрын

As a person with a strong glasses prescription... I never ever want to be marooned on a deserted island e.e

Ralf: "Follow me and we'll be able to get off the island quickly!" Jack: "No, follow me! I can hit a C note!"

@theodorsik

6 жыл бұрын

Elena Kufta cant we all see the Trump paralel?

@garbageOwO

6 жыл бұрын

Excuse me but it's _C sharp_

@elenakufta3236

6 жыл бұрын

Aw shit! Well then, that changes everything!

@ayaoldacc3580

6 жыл бұрын

Or the G note.... Hah I feel the emo coursing through me xD

@EuphrasieFauchelevent

6 жыл бұрын

actual quote

What i learned from this book: Don't get too attached to your favorite people. They all die.

@ayiniseasilyamused9215

6 жыл бұрын

Derp UmWell Now that you've learned that, go watch Game of Thrones!

@halfaliveclive4697

6 жыл бұрын

Or play Danganronpa

@horseenthusiast1250

6 жыл бұрын

Simon was my favourite character, so my read was a bit disappointing

@amethyst_cat9532

6 жыл бұрын

Most book-series fangirls know this

@daughter-of-loki1062

6 жыл бұрын

You could've learned that from A Song of Ice and Fire.

Every girl in my class: awww Simon is so sweet!! He’s my favourite!! Me, who has read the book before: honey, you got a big storm comin’

@dewmilk7266

3 жыл бұрын

The girls in my class liked Jack at the beginning

@rednecromancer2579

2 жыл бұрын

@@dewmilk7266 this is much more accurate to real women.

@dewmilk7266

2 жыл бұрын

@@rednecromancer2579 bro i am a real woman also your name is *scott* somehow i doubt you know anything about it

@rednecromancer2579

2 жыл бұрын

@@dewmilk7266 1) I was agreeing with you and 2) why do you use my name in a negative connotation

@dewmilk7266

2 жыл бұрын

@@rednecromancer2579 Oops, sorry! I think I misinterpreted your comment! There's nothing wrong with your name, I was trying to imply that as a Scott, you wouldn't know about being a real woman (tho I suppose a transwoman could keep her old name). Sorry about the confusion that was mostly my bad.

"this book is meant to shred your faith in humanity" That's long gone, so I'm good.

@RHKang-hl3ps

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, nothing like a little bit of dark humor to start the day.

@victorsimmons6769

2 жыл бұрын

*BREAKING NEWS* Man loses additional bit of hope he never knew he had

Ralph blows Shelly.

@KanaidBlack

7 жыл бұрын

"I'm an adult"

@Pokemonleafmon

7 жыл бұрын

KanaidBlack hehehe

@michaelolynyk4319

6 жыл бұрын

hahahahahahahaha! press 3 to repeat this as many times as you want.

@howdoilogin

6 жыл бұрын

Only an infantile person would laugh at a stupid joke like that. (I laughed for 15 minutes straight after that)

@garbageOwO

6 жыл бұрын

If you want more innuendos, read the actual book. It's great. To quote Lord of the Flies itself, "Piggy panted and looked at the glistening thing in his hand." And lots of Jack and Ralph's quarrels seem like breakups.

I wrote my senior research paper on this book, and "Jack, who represents... just kinda being the worst." was basically my thesis.

The irony at the end.... an adult talking some sense to the kids: why y'all fighting like savages. While going back to his battleship.

@thelonelyipad8648

2 жыл бұрын

I literally never realised this and I have a paper on this book thanks so much

@williamcrowe2576

2 ай бұрын

Classic case of Pot Meet Kettle.

“Write your own paper!” I AM T R Y I N G

@tamikapage4337

3 жыл бұрын

this video came up as i was in the middle having a panic attack because i have an essay due on this book tomorrow lmaoo and i haven’t read it

@StarshadowMelody

2 жыл бұрын

Pictured: The only reason anyone reads this dumb book.

@tnaoro

Жыл бұрын

Here’s when it happens: 5:26

**brutally kills a kid** **steals a kid's glasses then kills him later** **plans a freaking man hunt for another kid** **sets an entire freaking island on fire cause... reasons** **seriously they should've just left the boy choir** half my class cause they can't think properly for the life of them: "tHe bOYs ArE sO pURe aND SwEeT!!"

@drakenstarcross1347

5 жыл бұрын

Amen..... im a sophmore and they all say that about piggy and how they "wouldn't bully him" *BS DETECTED* *edit:wow 160 likes*

@barrocaspaula

5 жыл бұрын

I'm a teacher. Some of my kids would seriously become bullies in the absence of adults. I think the girls would save the day. They are more capable in general.

@AhmadFIksan

5 жыл бұрын

@@barrocaspaula Funny you say that cause Hollywood apparently has a different idea, as they try to make an All-female Lord of the flies remake lol deadline.com/2017/08/lord-of-the-flies-scott-mcgehee-david-siegel-female-cast-warner-bros-william-golding-novel-1202158421/

@wherethetatosat

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like my 9th grade English class alright.

@justinbury1945

5 жыл бұрын

HAH

We read this first semester freshman year, and as part of it one of the English teachers will blow a conch shell so we could hear it. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago (I'm a sophomore now). We hear a weird bellowing noise. Hardly anyone questions it for more than a couple seconds - "Oh, the freshmen must be reading Lord of the Flies" - and we start reminiscing on the good ol' days of early freshman year.

@atheris1641

5 жыл бұрын

Lol sounds nice

@onettaviator5396

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, fellow sophomo- oop, wait, junior now. This still happen?

@somedude4967

5 жыл бұрын

* *INSERT STRESSED OUT JOKE* *

@koramagna

5 жыл бұрын

Wow. Our school 'You-have-to-read-this-thing-I-don't-give-a-damn-you-think-it's-stupid-you-have-to-read-this-or-you-will-prove-you're-idiots-not-worth-of-other-people's-time' (Oooof) books in Poland, are usually about bunch of idiots who are suffering SO MUCH because the evil system/society crush their dreams, totally not because they made stupid life choices. We didn't try to make things like these because exams (ironically, we totally had time to talk about ONE SHORT POEM by Adam Mickiewicz for a whole week, but Orwell's 1984 wasn't so important). The only time we had some deeper interaction with some 'you-have-to-read-it' book was when we were reading Macbeth. And that ended up with school theater, where our class was preparing the whole thing (I was assassinating Lady MacDuff). It kind of bumped me out when I found out that this treatment gets only these classes in which are children of our Teacher of Polish Language (it left sour taste in my mouth, because my younger brother couldn't get involved in such project, just because he wasn't class mate of our Teacher's kids)

@JetstreamGW

4 жыл бұрын

I changed schools a lot when I was young. It worked out such that I read this book *five fucking times.* I can no longer stand this story.

Just remembering one detail from when I read it for class, the little kid that first started the rumor about the lord of the flies, and then "vanished" didn't just disappear. He was killed in a forest fire all of the other boys started in like, the first or second chapter

@alisalevenseller2796

2 жыл бұрын

The Mulberry boy, I remember.

@marcoasturias8520

2 жыл бұрын

Only 3 dead children?! That´s not as high as I imagined...

@alisalevenseller2796

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcoasturias8520

So you read all the magical British schoolchild books, eh? But did you read, *The Magic Treehouse Series?*

@awkward_chaos8322

3 жыл бұрын

YESSS

@Rie_Bot

3 жыл бұрын

omg I remember being addicted to it all those years ago lol

@leeschelly8384

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh, I LOVED those books!

@adriholt4277

3 жыл бұрын

I read those in first grade

@doriangrayapologist

3 жыл бұрын

they're from pennsylvania,,,

I remember hearing that the writer got pissed off because the books portrayed upper class British boys wrong and he knew that on their own they would turn into vicious assholes because of their own socialisation in society

@hellspawnstudios

5 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't we all?

@caveragefacts3395

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@NeutralL12

5 жыл бұрын

I mean realistically couldnt Rodger assassinate that asshole guy in the middle of the night with a big rock and tell people the beast did it? Course that would lead him into a villainous area. Which is kinda against his own characters point. Oh

@ea.fitz216

5 жыл бұрын

They're not all upper class. You have Piggy, a working class cockney kid whose Aunt owns a sweet shop, you have the littluns, from all areas of society, Ralph who lives in the countryside in an estate, with a father who is a Naval Commander and the choir, who are upper class dickheads (except Simon, I miss you pal).

@ForrestFox626

4 жыл бұрын

He isn't wrong.

Golding was my grandfather's English teacher at the time, and the kids were based on *HIS* English class. He's never told us which one he was part of, but my grandad was in LotF!

@cdkumquat4953

6 жыл бұрын

Which character do you think represented him, if there was one at all?

@grantkelly8696

6 жыл бұрын

Adam Livneh Plot Twist his grandad represents Rodger.

@atheris1641

5 жыл бұрын

That sounds super cool lol

@voidnoidoid

5 жыл бұрын

That’s rad!

@Hinatachan360

5 жыл бұрын

Wow, family history is so cool. 😎

YOU MISSED THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE ENDING. The naval officer looks back at his own ship and pauses briefly.

This reminds me of when I was still in middle school. When we got to this book a teacher thought it would be a good idea to make us go through a thought experiment of what would happen if a random sample groups of the class were put into a similar situation (think “Lord of the flies” D&D edition). As it turns out, I’m a monster who will make sure everyone survives... until they try to kill another person, that’s when they are buried up to their head and get a nice sea spray facial with the tide rolling in.

@MrDraacon

3 жыл бұрын

I think I'd just try to be on good terms with the person the group chose as leader so I can indirectly control the group a bit. Making suggestions what to do and so on (and not being blamed when something goes wrong of course :)) )

@redpup6931

3 жыл бұрын

Why don't more schools do this? I want to play books disguised as D&D.

@jx7945

3 жыл бұрын

red it would definitely get a lot more students interested and focused on the learning.

@acasualcactus5878

3 жыл бұрын

I’d be the one who tries to establish a system of government and then gets thrown off a cliff.

@beccag2758

3 жыл бұрын

I think I’d be that person who’s read too many survival books but nobody really listens to but I can’t go off and survive by myself because group survival is generally a better plan

You forgot one interesting parallel at the end, though - the adult berating them was, as you mentioned, a naval officer, and the final line in the book was him looking at the (war) cruiser in the distance as he allowed the boys to regain their composure. The adults are no better than the children in regards to violence.

I actually liked Lord of the Flies, but my view of humanity is a little ... bitchy.

@renrenthemadscientist

7 жыл бұрын

Nate Watson and if you want to be nicer say cynical. Or pessimistic.

@oddluck4180

7 жыл бұрын

clood lunk Or a realist.

@VelvetCondoms

7 жыл бұрын

That was deliberate word choice. If I was merely cynical or pessimistic, I would just find the story to be realistic to the point of being boring. But I genuinely enjoy that it's so soul crushing, because I enjoy stories that deconstruct any form of idealism in our society.

@IngoSchwarze

7 жыл бұрын

+Nate Watson: Maybe surprisingly, excessive idealism happens to be the main weakness of the book. It essentially says "if only we are a bit more considerate of each other, and consciously restrain our inner leaning towards destructiveness, we can make this world a better place". Unfortunately, that is only a necessary condition towards the goal, not a sufficient one. It does show that humans must establish Order without establishing (or rather, at the same time as dissolving) Power, but it lacks any hint that, while wont of kindness and love may be the first hindrance on that path, and in that sense a major one, it is far from the only hurdle and certainly not the hardest one to overcome.

@aronpuma5962

7 жыл бұрын

While I can appreciate it's deconstruction, and I can like a lot of the language, I can't quite embrace the soul crushing as something as, real as advertised. This book wants to be the realist yo, and, it isn't. That's mainly because a character like Ralph is not realistic, and once everyone starts feeling like, hungry, and wet, and cold, and do not want to sleep on sand, they would not be so bitchy toward the idea of getting rescued, or at least I don't think any child would be.

I love this book. It's horribly depressing but the feeling one gets after reading quickly through the last chapter of the chase and then the end... incredible. My favourite part is where the naval officer asks if anyone's dead, half jokingly, and Ralph responds with something like 'just two'.

The thing is there have been several actual incidences of groups of children becoming stranded since this book came out. Same age groups even, they worked together to survive, comfort each other and get rescued. I think he projected adult behaviors on the kids characters he wrote about.

@alisalevenseller2796

2 жыл бұрын

He was writing about a specific class of kids he taught. Some of the characters were based off of specific students. He wasn’t trying to bash children as a whole, he just wanted to destroy a genre and rant about his class.

@GamerAJ-1025

2 жыл бұрын

True, kids have actually fared well in some of the instances where this sort of thing has happened.

@starsun6363

2 жыл бұрын

Were they spoiled upper class british kids tho? That's my running theory. Yeah this miiiight have happened (alebit, slower, in my opinion.) but if it had been literally anyone but super entitled bratty rich kids they would have been fine.

@maucazalv903

2 жыл бұрын

if that works or not depend on their knowledge, if u are on a desert island and don´t know how to cook for example you are kind of death the gang of kids in Lord of the Flies were confident just because "we are British"(?

@chongliyang4044

Жыл бұрын

@@starsun6363 if jack didn't exist probably none of this shit would have happened

"I must say that anyone who moved through those years without understanding that man produces evil as a bee produces honey, must have been blind or wrong in the head." -William Golding

@rhyzvanic3660

7 жыл бұрын

I for one do not project malice onto other people, especially since I don't have PTSD from one of the world wars.

@Thorntonian

7 жыл бұрын

So the average person makes 1 1/2 teaspoons of evil in their life? That's not too bad, actually.

@barleysixseventwo6665

7 жыл бұрын

Dude, the next most intelligent species we know of are Apes and Dolphins who are wanted murderers and rapists respectively. I say we're doing pretty well. Me, 4 seconds ago

@Enderchangling

6 жыл бұрын

More that they both do both

@kaziislam2785

6 жыл бұрын

Tomorrow We Live damn. Pessimist is an understatement.

Im glad I watched this before I read it. For some reason I thought the kids would go on an adventure and the Lord of the flies would be the main antagonist. But apparently he's just a dead pig.

@JoyAndAgony

7 жыл бұрын

Hatch22 i wonder why the entire book was named after a seemingly small detail? i guess it weighs a lot metaphorically speaking, but for my simple mind, a title should give you a glimpse into the book, not just... a "roll credits!" sensation in the middle-to-end of it

@exomancer3632

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, The "Lord of The Flies" is the English translation of the word Beelzebub- otherwise known as the devil. The title is both foreshadowing and a *very* christian explanation at the dissolution of society.

@kaziislam2785

6 жыл бұрын

Hatch22 dude, the pig was a representation. In the fever dream that Simon has thinking that the pig is talking to him, it calls itself the beast and that it says that it is a part of him. The lord of the flies _is_ an antagonist, it a hideous, savage monster, its the embodiment of evil, and it exists in everybody.

@samwelltarly6700

6 жыл бұрын

The Lord of the Flies is Satan aka the evil that lurks in everyone. The rotting, fly-ridden pig's head on a spike is rather Golding telling us what he thinks about humanity.

@ferretprince4054

6 жыл бұрын

yeah from what i've seen people use the devil and beelzebub interchangeably but from the -admittedly little research i've done on it- beelzebub and satan are two different entities. the devil is...the devil obviously and beelzebub is like the chief demon of sloth or something. satan i saw was typically associated with either wrath or pride. but yeah when people say beelzebub "the lord of the flies", nine times out of ten they referring to satan....for some reason. anyway knowing this, the title makes perfect metaphorical sense, and i'm sure a ton of people have beaten you over the head with this by now. so sorry, i'm one of them -_-

If you want your faith restored, the story was inspired by a real-life situation in which a troop of Boy Scouts was marooned on an island for some time before being rescued. Contrary to Golding's dismal view of how children would react to a lack of external order, they kept themselves fine, tended to the sick and wounded, and were generally a great bunch of kids who came through the worst survival training ever with flying colors

does it count as murder if there are no adults to yell at you? that honestly killed me

@arzee7482

2 жыл бұрын

so how come you are commenting this if you are dead?

My head canon is that after getting on the boat they don't have to deal with pesky readjustment because as they are in a war the ship is attacked and they all die

@kokobean5921

6 жыл бұрын

Why?

@julianathomas8597

6 жыл бұрын

Aren't you a pessimist

@crimsonscourge8539

6 жыл бұрын

Merritt Animation ok

@zuha9541

6 жыл бұрын

Makes sense, pesky readjustment sounds like a nightmare equally as traumatizing as the Island itself.

@coyowolf4609

6 жыл бұрын

Perfect ending!

"So Ralph blows Shelly" I LITERALLY LAUGHED SO HARD MY MOM HEARD ME FROM DOWNSTAIRS IM SO MATURE

@MidoriMushrooms

6 жыл бұрын

same, and the "I am an adult" part I said out loud before even reading it ;v

@ooficusrex3347

5 жыл бұрын

XD I've watched this vid multiple times before and I always laugh at that

@raspberrycrowns9494

5 жыл бұрын

It's not that funny...

@General12th

4 жыл бұрын

There's nothing immature about laughing at sexual references. Sex is, by definition, a mature practice.

@opticalyoutube5597

4 жыл бұрын

@@General12th lol nerd

You forgot to mention that Simon already knew that the beast was inside them. But couldn't explain it. And when he tried Jack just said poop and the kids laughed at him

I love how you casually skipped over the first time jack sets the island on fire, or the horrific detail with which the book describes Piggy’s BRAINS splatting out of his head when the rock drops on him. But yeah, RIP Shelly, I guess.

Okay, I fully expected this to be about Beelzebub the actual Lord of the Flies, but hormonal teenagers with murdering tendencies is pretty much right up my alley.... so carry on

@horseenthusiast1250

6 жыл бұрын

Khaos Reborn I just wanted Beezlebub to actually show up and like, haunt the island or something instead of having a hallucinated conversation with Simon as a pig’s head

@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto

3 жыл бұрын

@@horseenthusiast1250 We can always treat the pig head on a pike as Simon's inner daemon, much like an avatar of Beezlebub to the slowly deteriorating mind of an unwell child.

@manmoy4104

3 жыл бұрын

Beelzebub is kinda present in the book already if you interpret the Beast as the Devil

@pancakes8670

3 жыл бұрын

Well Beelzebub is commonly associated with war, and this book as a heavy war theme and portraying the savagery of Humanity. So I think it checks out

@colt9836

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto It's heavily implied that the Pig Head *is* Beelzebub, symbolizing that darkness even exists within childern.

"I'm an adult" - Red

@pRahvi0

5 жыл бұрын

It's good to remind yourself (and others) every now and then. :P

@davehoffman4659

5 жыл бұрын

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@rongusta11

5 жыл бұрын

Me 2

@js66613

3 жыл бұрын

Allegedly.

Jack's Mom- So, how was the island, I guess? What'd you do? Jack- *nothing*

5:39 \*A kid is crushed to death by a boulder* Red: "Shelly!! Nooo!! " While not caring about the kid at all

@giorgiomezzanzanica3693

Жыл бұрын

If the author wanted us to care he could have killed his character less comically. (

@MrDraacon

Жыл бұрын

@@giorgiomezzanzanica3693 Very true. He should've known that these scenes would become peak comedy.

"Are there any dead?" "Just two, Sir."

@_aiseyahreads.1477

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, about this-- what about that kid with the mulberry birthmark? shouldn't there be three? I was so confused lol

@alisalevenseller2796

2 жыл бұрын

Mulberry boy: Am I joke to you?

@asageadayart

2 жыл бұрын

@@_aiseyahreads.1477 I think his death was only implied since he went missing during the fire. They also weren't able to keep track of just how many littluns there were when they first congregated, since they were all wondering off. Therefore, there could have been a lot more that nobody knew about since the boys were all coming from different schools.

Man I am glad I found this channel. You guys are the best :)

@nondescriptindividual3793

7 жыл бұрын

this video helped b/c I had to read this book for the next school year :) -The Late Commenter

@leonardofranzinribeiro4220

6 жыл бұрын

LieutenantPants Yeap.

@lexijuliette2362

6 жыл бұрын

Me too!!

@felted_catfish

6 жыл бұрын

Cool

@stefanmakhoul9934

6 жыл бұрын

Ikr she's soooooo good

"I HATE THIS BOOK" Can't say that I blame you Red. Can't say that I do.

I remember reading this book in school -- and I remember enjoying it simply because I considered it a great thriller/horror story. Jack is downright creepy, man. As is good old Roger -- and the really sad part is, because of the time period of the book, it's unlikely any of them got the help they needed upon rescue. Feel-good novel indeed!

@landofthehazymist

Жыл бұрын

even now therapy or any kind of mental health services, let alone anything adequate, is impossible or near impossible to access for a lot of people, myself included

Maybe you could do a Brothers Grimm fairytale saga? Not sure if that will restore faith in humanity per say but it will be entertaining

@darkshadowstorm7056

6 жыл бұрын

TheLotusFlowerPhoenix The Brothers Grimm stories are awesome

@ariannaclearwater4973

6 жыл бұрын

Whoop whoop brothers grim 😊

@Azalea_rose

6 жыл бұрын

I actually hate to break it to you but most of the stores are really dark and just destroyed your faith in Humanity before Disney got to them

@darkshadowstorm7056

6 жыл бұрын

Kaylee Cupcake4232 Well they were written by the *Grimms* Disney just made them less so. 🙂

@Azalea_rose

6 жыл бұрын

Your funny you look seriously some of the lesser-known Grimm stories we're really messed up can you tell me this one about a beaver person who murdered people with a Golden axe

2:01 "I'm an adult" Yup, even in the twenty first century on one of quite possibly one of the darkest books I've read, sex jokes are still aparent... yup

"Ralph blows Shelly" NOw the image of one of my classmates BLOWING another one of my classmates is forever branded in my head. Thanks for nothing Red

@ashinjoy9368

3 жыл бұрын

Noo

@u_s_e_rname

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no

We studied this book in high school, and honestly I thought it was great. I loved all of the motifs, the symbolism, etc. There is so much more that can be said about this book and what it means.

@pforgottonsoul

2 жыл бұрын

i'm kinda disappointed that so many people hate this book i personally loved it.

@solsystem1342

2 жыл бұрын

I read it by myself but I've always felt like I get more invested in books about children when they're in really messed up situations. I guess it's hard for me to relate to children who lived lives without serious trauma? It feels unreal to me even if I'm aware some people experience it. That being said I need forewarning it's going to be dark. Previously lighthearted stories that try to pull that make me mad. Sometimes I get invested in other things to. Like fantastical worlds and animals and whatnot I just noticed looking back this was a trend.

I owe my mental health to red, i realised after three chapters that i can't finish this work of pure evil but this video got me through the basic knowledge test.

@ginnundso

4 жыл бұрын

same

@ginnundso

4 жыл бұрын

Literally I tried reading this book and normally, when I read books, I read really fast and I am most of the times captivated that I am able to read like idk 10 sites in 15 minutes or so But everytime I tried reading this book I got tired after just one site and to not fall asleep I have to stop reading lol This never happened to me before lmaooo

@js66613

3 жыл бұрын

You also owe her precisely one human soul.

Jack is a really interesting character. When my English teacher said that other character “shifts” to savagery except for Jack and Roger who are savages in the first place I say nah, Jack gone through a process too, remember he can’t kill the piglet at first? Remember one if the first line he said? “We’re British, not savages.” Well Jack, you don’t say. ◉‿◉ It’s like he just flipped a light switch and poof he a freakin savage. It’s like he just do whatever he believes will give him the most prestige regardless of morals or values. I got a feeling that he will be one of the first to adapt back to civilization once they got back (granted he won’t be sent to reformation camps or something like that for what he did).

Fun fact: You can't start a fire with a near-sighted person's glasses. (Piggy is specifically stated to be near-sighted in the book.) The curvature of the lenses diffuses the light instead of concentrating it. Your best bet would be with glasses made for a far-sighted person.

"Why don't you want kids?" See above.

Fun history note: There actually WAS a group of kids who got stranded on a deserted island! Except they didn't turn into little murdering jerks. They banded together and got everyone safely rescued/returned home. Reference date: 18 June 1965. Some Tongan boys wanted to get away from their uh....Catholic school (who can blame them honestly?) and run off. They get stranded on a remote island for 15 months. One of the lads, specifically the one named Mano, told all about it in an interview years later.

You know, if you were teaching this book, I might have actually enjoyed it. High school English destroyed the lord of the flies for me. In hindsight, it really was an amazing(and not amazing cuz murder) book.

@emblemblade9245

5 жыл бұрын

Batchu Swati It always does

@shorewall

5 жыл бұрын

@@emblemblade9245 I remember my college freshman english class being the first time that I realized that the books I was reading were being ruined by the education process. I can remember books being ruined by school before, but this was the first time I was cognizant of it happening as it occurred.

@Machialemmi

4 жыл бұрын

Murder is amazing

@ucnguyen6375

4 жыл бұрын

I was trauma for a month after reading this book

@seamusburke639

3 жыл бұрын

Feel ya there. High school English class was my introduction to Ray Bradbury. Y'know what book of his they had us read first? "Dandelion Wine", which is insufferably twee and probably Bradbury's worst book. Years later I discovered "Farenheit 451" and was like YOU COULDN'T OPEN WITH THIS?!

When my class was reading this in school we were split up into groups and preformed the scene where Simon talks to the pigs head in sort of a competition. My group won because of my reading the part of the lord of the flies, I had chosen to do a suave, smooth voice with a hint of a threat and had the entire class riveted with my performance

In my current (Sophmore) english class we are reading lord of the flies for one unit. And everyone in my class just LOVES Jack, going on about how he's the best character and how great he is! The things they will learn in time...

@kamronspencer4910

4 жыл бұрын

life is not okay for me unfortunately jack appeals to a large portion of people becuase despite how horrible he is he’s basically the stereotypical “fun jock cool kid” who lets everyone do fun things even though those fun things make it actively harder to actually live properly and due to that character type even his bullying is ignored by most who weren’t bullied themselves for the same reason real bullying is ignored in real life. It only when he starts killing people that it starts to dawn on a lot of people how horrible he actually is

@eithandjdjd4902

3 жыл бұрын

This

@yellowstarproductions6743

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

You know, you'd probably make for a much better literature teacher than most, especially when it comes to engaging your audience. I've read all the books you've summarized and overly-sarcasticized XD and I have been a literature professor myself, and wish I had half your ability to talk about these classical works. Great video, as usual.

i liked it a little bit and I'd like to see Animal Farm

@Hecatonicosachoron

8 жыл бұрын

+Ninja Niya A (fairly old) animated version of that has been done, and it's pretty decent (all things considered) - have you seen it?

@niyar.2791

8 жыл бұрын

+Jason93609 Nope. Thanx for telling me

@profmalicious

8 жыл бұрын

+Ninja Niya There's also a live action version made in 1999 that's pretty good too. Both versions tack their own endings onto the official ending, and they really represent the time period each film was made in.

@donpacificbobcat9er615

7 жыл бұрын

Niya R. Ohhhhhhhh yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!

@zucc9944

6 жыл бұрын

+profmalicious Would you mind spoiling the endings? I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be seeing the films anytime soon.

Fun fact: something similar to this actually happened. Some boys got stranded on an island for a year and a half. But, unlike these jerks, they actually worked together, looked after each other when one of them got injured, and were all rescued. Someone once pointed out that Lord of the Flies is really only an accurate prediction for entitled white boys of upper class. But if you get poorer people (who have been scientifically proven to be more empathetic) and/or people from oppressed minority groups in this situation, the chances of murder go way down.

@wegner7036

2 жыл бұрын

Empathy is not a proven science. And the way people act in the upper class is due to the society that is the upper class. Take a poor person and throw him into upper class society and he'll pick up the attitude after a few days. Throw an entitled rich kid to the train's cargo cars and it'd take just as long to adjust. As someone who often travels long distances on foot (because planes are expensive are cars are terrifying), it's in communities where co-reliance and co-dependence are necessities where you'll find the most compassionate folk. I'd form a half-theory it's a phenomenon related to Stockholm syndrome, but I'm not a sociologist.

@solsystem1342

2 жыл бұрын

@@wegner7036 when you have to depend on eachother for survival cooperation and kindness is your best strategy because pissing people off/breaking connections could kill you. It's just a natural consequence of the circumstances from a purely rational perspective.

@blackjoker2345

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't that "real life lord of the flies" that the media was a buzz about a group of college friends who were Purposely trying to find an Island to live on? That was a Very different scenario to the book...

@solsystem1342

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackjoker2345 there have been a lot of situations where a group of people get stuck on an island.

@blackjoker2345

2 жыл бұрын

@@solsystem1342 And lots of them end with the group trying to kill each other. not just "little white boys"(seriously, racist much?) like the OP said.

When I was in grade school, every adult I knew used this book as a "this WILL happen if boys get stranded on an island." A few years later, the news reported about the real British boys who really were stranded on an island and worked together for months. Nobody died or staged a violent mutiny or anything.

@morgant.dulaman8733

Жыл бұрын

Part of me wonders if those kids read this book, or one's similar to it, and that had a hand in keeping anyone from doing something remarkably stupid or violent.

R.I.P Simon, the only reasonable character.

"He had first discovered the idea of having a happy story in kid books, and was having none of it." *Extreme zoom-in* I can't help but find that humorous. :)

the fact that they were found by a naval officer is actually a super important detail. he berates them for being savage and violent when he was literally on his way to kill people.

Ralfs bizzare adventure *Ceasar's death music plays as the bolder gets pushed onto piggy* Ralf: Piggggyyyyy

Mwahahahahahaha! Now I have ALL THE SPOILERS FOR MY HONORS ENGLISH CLASS! MWAHAHAHAHAH!

@bellablackmist5033

6 жыл бұрын

*secretly cries when no one's looking cuz it's my own fault for clicking on the video*

@orecvetkovic904

4 жыл бұрын

@@bellablackmist5033what the hell happened here

I heard "shred your faith in humanity" and immediately liked, shared, subscribed, and connected to the video on a level unfathomable to the human consciousness regarding interdimensional planes.

“Go write your own paper” I feel like I’m being called out and I’ve already passed all of the English classes I need for college

Thank you for helping me get an A on a test for a book I haven’t read

1:59 "So Ralph blows Shelly-" *W H E E Z E !*

@umbraexe3069

4 жыл бұрын

*IM AND ADULT*

Favorite part of the story is when a little boy named Percival, who knew his name and address at the beginning, can't remember them at the end.

"A ship was passing." 3:20 I love those kind of ships.

Here's a quick restoration of some faith in humanity. This premise actually did happen off the coast of Tonga. In 1965 6 boys set out on a boat they knicked and proceeded to strand themselves on an island, 'Ata. And the exact opposite thing from that dumb book happened (btw I have never liked that book since I first read it in HS) The boys looked after each, even when 1 broke his leg the others made sure he rested and recouped. They were stranded for 15 MONTHS! before they were finally able to flag down a passing ship.

That book fucked up my weekend. Thank God there's channels like this which make absolutely hilarious jokes to make me forget the horrible feelings of death and the questions of morality.

Ooo, I love this book. It's symbolically rich enough that an entire island of young boys could survive on its provocative thoughts alone. Or make them question the very foundations of rationality and what it means to be human. Either way. Somewhat on that same note, Samneric represent Rationality coupled with the desire to Survive. Call them primitive survival instincts vs conscious thought, if you will. They are the first older boys to "believe" in the beast, symbolizing the dawning realization of the boys' society that they will have to defend themselves from any inherent threats that may occur on the island since they haven't yet and likely WON'T receive any adult help on the island. It's the catalyst that begins the inherent fear that permeates the latter half of the book, and the escalation of relying on brute force to survive an unfamiliar situation vs calmly thinking it through. Samneric are also the last two to "yield" to Jack's hunters, after being kidnapped and tortured. Jack's primal representation of dominance-through-violence takes hold of the last bastions of Rationality and ultimately force them to choose: succumb to the fear-induced craze of survival instincts to live to the next day and abandon the only remaining shreds of civility that could hold back that inherent barbaric nature, or... well, die? Samneric's last talk with Ralph is Rationality effectively stating inwardly that Civility will be abandoned because it's no longer needed in the current situation, and would only serve to hold survivability itself back.

I remember my local youth theatre group put on a play of Lord of the Flies, which I was incredibly surprised by considering how dark the story was, and the fact we were only a few years younger than the characters- turns out it remained pretty faithful to the source material (though we did add a few female characters so everyone could have a role and double-casted all the important ones from the book), but what I find interesting is that we changed the ending a little. We kept the murder stuff, using red glitter for blood, but when the naval officer appears, we had him say something like ‘I see you were all playing a game! Not a very safe situation to play in, I see, but I hope you all played nicely…’ and then ended it with the characters looking at each other awkwardly, the final line being spoken by Ralph: ‘Yes… nicely…’ and the characters following the naval officer off… though a little more optimistic, as it insinuates that the kids can and want to change and be better people, I feel like it lessened the blow of the original source material. Then again, it had to be an appropriate ending for a show performed by ten-year-olds!

This is completely accurate for the mindset of young boys, when I was in school at around fifteen a bunch of us got sent on a wilderness survival thing and about two days in I went to go for a piss only to see a slug stuck to a tree with its guts hanging out below it, as I looked around I noticed, all of the trees, had slugs stuck to them with their guys hanging out, a little later I found out why as I saw one of the year 7’s of the group go up to a tree with a slug on it, and using one of the pairs of small harder shears we had to cut branches with, stick the blunt end of said shears into the slugs breathing hole and close the blade, which cut the slug open and its guys dropped out, needless to say then little bastards made bows shortly afterwards and started trying to shoot the rest of us with sharpened sticks and generally piss everyone else off to the point that the “goodietwoshoes” of the group who was my age, yeet one of these sharped sticks back at a kid after being shot and nearly skewerd this kids eye. In short, barbarianism is only one unsupervised group of kids away from becoming reality

I read this book in when I was 10, and most of it was lost on me (symbolism wise)

@BrickBreakerXX

6 жыл бұрын

It was the same for me and "Animal Farm" so I thought there were literal pigs talking n shit and I was like "Well okey dokey then we're doing this now." Considering I read it in a post Toy Story era I may have been more open to the concept of animals speaking in the real world.

@tennisparker2990

6 жыл бұрын

Comrade Mackerel same

Why is it that so many school studied books have such a cynical view of human nature?

@knightofarkronia8652

3 жыл бұрын

Jenny Sweeney It really says something about the school system.

@arandomcomment1092

3 жыл бұрын

They wanna trick students into thinking that their depression isn’t from school, it’s part of the human condition

@sarahamira5732

3 жыл бұрын

Because human mmnature isn't really fantastic most of the time.

“But I’ve got the conch”

@gabesynnott6506

3 жыл бұрын

"Shucks to your assmar"

When ¿jack? speaks at 2:26 i had to think of "DID SOMEONE SAY DRACO MALFOY?"

now im really curious if you have read beauty queens, it's basically lord of the flies but with pageant girls

@zuha9541

6 жыл бұрын

cristina m Do people die?

@paulharris6538

6 жыл бұрын

Zuha that's a spoiler! :O

@emilleanthonette

6 жыл бұрын

DO CHILDREN DIE? TELL ME!

@chosokamosgf

6 жыл бұрын

O!! I read that book afterwards! Not really just one girl goes freaking crazy

@alexandresobreiramartins9461

6 жыл бұрын

Now, THAT'S a scary thought....

I've heard someone say that the point of the book was a critique on the notion that the English are the most civilised genteel people EVER and clearly superior to everyone else, a popular notion at the time. Less a reflection on humanity as a whole.

@jorgepeterbarton

6 жыл бұрын

but also, morals are learnt, not intrinsic and instilled by a god for which satan tempts us from. more like the opposite. #nihilism.

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

6 жыл бұрын

+jorgepeterbarton That is not nihilism...

@jorgepeterbarton

6 жыл бұрын

I need no channel youtube! What isnt nihilism? How is a lack of intrinsic meaning and morality not nihilism?

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

6 жыл бұрын

+jorgepeterbarton I jave misread your comment. I apologise. Still, nihilism alao includes the addendum.that morals are useless and life is meaningless. Without those you have existentialism.

@jorgepeterbarton

6 жыл бұрын

I need no channel youtube! True. Arguably lotf doesnt give much in the way of that. As a few will say, exhistentialism will come from rejecting a preceeding position of nihilistic despair.

Well... at least they cried at the end. My expectations for the real world isn't nearly that high.

Yeah, I think I for once prefer the french counterpart of this story, Two Years Vacation by Jules Verne. Same premise, same ending, but the pack of rowdy kids actually get their act together, learn to survive and cooperate, create their own little community and keep up with their studies with varied degrees of success depending on their age: the younger children are able to be taught by their older mates while they have to make do with whatever study materials they had with them on the boat that didn't get soaked

Evidently your parents cared more about you reading as a Child than mine.

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

6 жыл бұрын

Lord of the flies is mandatory here in sixth grade.

@olivetreewhimsy2016

5 жыл бұрын

I need no channel youtube! Where do you live? I read it in ninth

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

5 жыл бұрын

+Therealolivetree02 Whydoineedalastname Hungary.

@olivetreewhimsy2016

5 жыл бұрын

I need no channel youtube! Neat. I live in the US

@DeanRendar

5 жыл бұрын

same. during middle school in the USA. Met idiots like that around that same time who couldnt stand still durring quiet moments in class and knew this world and its groups cant be a place to trust that you will belong acceptably just anywhere.

Oh boy, LotF. I and my friend shiver in anguish as we remember the days we were stuck in literature hell, analyzing this nighrmare of a story where people tear each other out for fun. I feel like the word 'savagery' was tattooed on me. Literally, you could write the word down and instantly your 3-mark wuestion was correct. But what got me the most was-it is inaccurate. Mankind does have savagery in them, but that is not our identity if we chose not to make it so. I just see this being a mechanism of lashing out Golding's depression after the war.

@horseenthusiast1250

6 жыл бұрын

XXX L also, a lot of the sentiments the boys hold (and arguably the plot itself) is incredibly colonialist and probably racist in ways I can not see.

@amorahschultze3781

6 жыл бұрын

XXX L I really did like the book. Maybe I’m just a sadist.

"The littlins being the youngins and the biggins being the source of every problem" Just like in real life.

"Bollocks to the children." -William Golding.