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@Ligby

7 күн бұрын

Much better watch than this forkfest

@andreskorge1828

7 күн бұрын

Please be Honest Destiny- Oct7 was allowed to take place for greater Agenda

@andreskorge1828

7 күн бұрын

Start enquiry with the interview/ exposé’ on Jimmy Dore “. Bombshell Drops… “

@bengreen171

7 күн бұрын

This was disappointing. Destiny retreated to rhetoric and 'west is best' inconsistency. Yeah, we all know that middle eastern countries are authoritarian, antidemocratic, religiously and ethnically discriminatory places - but that doesn't mean Israel is correct. The most disappointing aspect of the debate was Destiny continuing to claim 'no-one will ever answer these questions' - when Burgis repeatedly answered the questions and agreed with Destiny on what those answers were. This seemed more like a personal diatribe against someone who's been critical of Destiny's Israeli 'apologism'. The main thesis Destiny presented seemed to be 'let Israel do what it wants because we need them as an ally'. Reservations about the actual conduct of the military campaign, which I concede that Destiny finds distasteful, aside - there is a moral hypocrisy at play here. It's one based in the unquestioned assumption that America and 'the West' is the moral highground and so cannot be the bad guy in any given situation. This is an extremely one eyed view that doesn't pan out given the merest of examinations of history. Jewish people have been historically treated poorly in Islamic countries - but it's not whataboutism to say they have fared so much worse in Christian/western countries. If you want to appeal to historic antisemitism as evidence of how Muslims will treat Jews in the middle east today - then it's fair to compare that to how they've been treated in the west, and also fair to see how Israel and the west treat Muslims. Because Islam isn't a monolith that has treated Jewish people the same way for 1400 years. And maybe the reasons why there has been so much antisemitism in the middle east in the last century doesn't stem from a consistent historical theme - but from how Israel came into being and immediately started its project of ethnic cleansing of Palestine. If you want to appeal to the existential threat coming from one side - it's inconsistent to ignore it from the other. Disappointing debate bro performance from someone who probably agrees with far more of what Burgis said than he would like to admit in the heat of a personal beef.

@Ligby

7 күн бұрын

@@bengreen171 agreed. Still appreciate that he can put the best possible effort into defending the obviously indefensible. This is important for the good arguments can and will boil to the top

"Ben, do you agree more people prefer vanilla ice cream than chocolate ice cream?" "Well I suppose we can both agree on that point that more people have a preference towards vanilla, but if the question is about my personal taste as it pertains to the state of the public's opinions about ice cream then I think that doesn't erase my preference towards chocolate, especially if we're talking about what I should buy when I do a food shop and whether we should allow public opinion to affect our standards about cold sweet food products" "So to be clear, you do agree most people prefer vanilla ice cream?" "Well if you're asking..."

@djon3043

7 күн бұрын

Ben: this is a grossly over simplified false dichotomy. I know that my opponent would love to synthetically restrict the options to vanilla or chocolate, but there are clearly many other flavors of ice cream out that exist. So again, as I said before for FIFTY SEVEN YEARS…

@70othl3ss4

7 күн бұрын

Destiny: im not trying to moralize it, i just want to make sure we both agree on the basic facts. Ben: okay, well again, vanilla could be a flavour that is more preferred by the majority of people in the united states, even if i grant you that, it doesn't say anything about how good or bad it is. Destiny: yes, i agree it doesn't necessarily mean it's good or bad, but could you give a straight forward answer? Ben: well again, the... valn......uhh....sksod...vanila.......chockaten....lal...vanilaln..

@ThegreatHatt

7 күн бұрын

What a perfect encapsulation of this arguement and probably all arguements destiny has had on this topic

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

I love when Destiny steel maned Ben's argument. And Ben was like 'um guy that's Hamas's steel man, not mine".... like dude you've been talking for an hour and we think you side with Hamas.... that's not great my guy

@ThegreatHatt

7 күн бұрын

​@@howdareyou41this guys divorce from reality is crazy. He couldnt agree with any thing, invoked the most twisted representation of words to describe the conflict, like "pogroms of arabs" or the list of buzz words about the conflict. He couldnt even agree with the palestinian steel man!

I don't think so Steven, you've activated my YAP card!

@tooitchy

7 күн бұрын

yap too strongk, i concede sorry jews.

@seag1492

7 күн бұрын

Bro, this is so fucking true LOL.

@thfkmnIII

7 күн бұрын

Fatyappers are the worst

@MegaDzEL

7 күн бұрын

Why did I read this in Sento Kiba's voice 😂

@FatherManus

7 күн бұрын

My grandpa had no pathetic yappers, Kaiba!

Ben is a prime example of how to give a complete non-answer while yapping for 5mins straight. Couldn’t even agree on basic facts without having to hedge off every single potential argument that Dest wasn’t even making. Goes to show how utterly weak his position is

@bengreen171

7 күн бұрын

just because Destiny whined about 'no-one ever answers these questions' doesn't mean that's what happened. The first part of the debate was Destiny repeatedly asking for answers Burgis had repeatedly given.

@gastarbeiter8384

7 күн бұрын

This is literally everyone that destiny is debating right now.. no matter what topic or which political direction > always yapping for hours and never answering any questions

@clivedoe9674

7 күн бұрын

​@@bengreen171didn't sound that way to me we would have breezed through them if that was the case.

@johnd1047

7 күн бұрын

It’s like he’s juuuust smart enough to dodge every bit of intellectual accountability for his insane takes😂😂

@fro3054

7 күн бұрын

@@bengreen171 Steven tried to explain how he wanted to form his argument. Ben kept rambling in 5d chess mind reading manner so Steven kept repeating the question(s) to get a more straight answer in order to get Ben to be less rambly for the rest of the debate.

I bet this guy wouldn't even concede that 1+1=2. My guy is expecting a gotcha in every unlikely corner.

@dureally

7 күн бұрын

Don’t fall for that propaganda math, Terrence Howard already revealed that’s a lie! It’s actually 1x1=2 🤣🤣🤣

@georgepantzikis7988

7 күн бұрын

He's not expecting a gotcha. He's pointing out that 90% of what Destiny said was utterly irrelevant to this debate.

@poelander0454

7 күн бұрын

@@georgepantzikis7988ay that guy somehow convinced at least one person right here!

@uhok6712

7 күн бұрын

@@georgepantzikis7988uhhhhhhh I’m just uhhhhhh saying uhhhhh most of your sentence uhhhhhhhh was uhhhhhhhhhhhh irrelevant to the uhhhhhhhhh original comment. Uhhhhhh for fifty seven uhhhhhhh years uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh apartheid uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@70othl3ss4

7 күн бұрын

​@@georgepantzikis7988 he hedged and yapped for 5 minutes, circeling around the question, saying again that we can't moralize it (destiny literally already agreed with that premise yet, ben had to clarify that every 2 seconds).

I really hate the narrative of Destiny being a debate bro that only uses debate tatics, it leads to what happened in the beggining, where the opponent was too afraid to agree with anything Destiny said because of the possibility of it leading into some sort of trap, which pretty much kills any chance for a decent conversation

@HSSLNG

7 күн бұрын

Tbf prefacing it with "I just want to make sure we live in the same reality" is giga condescending, I'm surprised Ben didn't go more on the defensive after that intro

@finnmacmanus5723

7 күн бұрын

@@HSSLNGit’s pretty standard to lay out agreed upon definitions and facts before something like this. It’s really not that condescending to say

@Imbettadenu

7 күн бұрын

@@HSSLNG “Giga condescending” I’ll be condescending to you and say we don’t need the opinion of a guy who talks like he lives on 4chan

@andersmlleriversen8126

7 күн бұрын

@@HSSLNGIf you find that condescending you most likely have some positions not rooted in reality.

@dr.durteedee3677

7 күн бұрын

Tbf everything he conceded to, was used to nail him later

If 2000 lb bombs are unacceptable, what is the maximum weight for a bomb that Ben would accept?

@danieljames9647

7 күн бұрын

Wellllllll I think that.....

@cartersmith3516

6 күн бұрын

Well, yap yap yap yap apartheid yap yap yap genocide yap yap yap Israel bad yap yap yap right of return yap yap yap that’s not true (something that was factually correct) yap yap ya I don’t want to answer because I don’t want to leave myself open to a gotcha yap yap yap (spent 10 minutes just to not answer and virtue signal)

@badmuddafadda

6 күн бұрын

Depends…are these skinny fat bombs? Or are they stupid stoopid bombs?

@evanr5871

6 күн бұрын

@@cartersmith3516fr bro this dudes ridiculous (i’ve watched 20 seconds)

@burnbird16

6 күн бұрын

Let him step on a scale rq...

"How's your day today Ben?" Ben - "Well, 57 years ago......"

@Killer1260

7 күн бұрын

“Not that history really matters”

@mandeepsuj1

7 күн бұрын

Ummm uhhhhhhhh uhhhhhh

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

@@Killer1260 I spent an hour building this bridge, but now that you've pointed out a defect the bridge doesn't matter, ignore the bridge, what bridge? fuck you I hate bridges.

@azurezerox8392

7 күн бұрын

The answer would still end with "I don't know".

@philipthehandsomeandgood9316

6 күн бұрын

Ah, the Putin Gambit, a classic move

"A philosophy doctorate vs a music school dropout." Atleast, that's going to be the headline narrative for the Majority Report, Breaking Points, Secular Talk, etc. universe.

@burnbird16

7 күн бұрын

The only doctorate Burgiss has is in Burger King.

@bertthompson4748

7 күн бұрын

Its a shame. I like Sam Seder when he goes after right wingers. He just sucks on a few of these topics against non ideological people

@theonlychadman

7 күн бұрын

I have a phd in philosophy - take my word for it; anyone can do a phd.

@RanEncounter

7 күн бұрын

​@@bertthompson4748 He uses the same thought process to do both things. Just because you think he is right on some things, the way he comes to conclusions is flawed.

@bengreen171

7 күн бұрын

@@bertthompson4748 wait - you don't think 'capitalist west is best' is an ideology? Sorry, but everyone has an ideology. If you don't think they do, it just means they have your ideology.

They should do debates with like a chess click timer where you can only speak when its your time and give both the same amount of time while the mic automatically mutes between the switch

@JustAPersonalUseBarb

7 күн бұрын

What the hell? That's a crazy good idea. I bet Destiny could have someone whip up a discord plugin that does that and display it on stream. Would be pretty interesting to do it in person as well Edit: both sides start with 5 minutes. Anytime someone speaks, they lose time and the other side gains time. Compare time surplus at the end

@harstar12345

7 күн бұрын

​@@JustAPersonalUseBarbit is not a good idea, I could say 100 lies in the time it takes to debunk 3 of them.

@JustAPersonalUseBarb

7 күн бұрын

@@harstar12345 nah, I could debunk your lies in about half the time it took for you to tell them lol

@harstar12345

7 күн бұрын

@@JustAPersonalUseBarb you are delusional

@tomasroque3338

7 күн бұрын

@@JustAPersonalUseBarb It's much quicker to say a lie than to debunk it.

I'm 1 hour into the debate. It seems like Ben is afraid to answer basic questions because he is afraid to give any ground in expectation of a gotcha. "Do you agree that an Israel-America alliance provide America military advantages." "It doesn't matter" "Yes or no" "Israel bad" Great exchange, Ben...

@thisishappening7273

7 күн бұрын

It doesn’t get better after hour 1 and the Q&A section is even more embarrassing for Ben

@madisonerickson9289

7 күн бұрын

It doesn't make a difference.

@socialjihad5724

7 күн бұрын

It's especially telling when they get to the part where they were supposed to give the steelman argument of the opposite side. His inability to offer one I think shows both a reluctance to offer any ground, but also an exceptionally poor understanding of the opponent's/Israeli position. Though in his case, I'm not sure how much is honest misunderstanding or how much it's deliberate, since he kept bringing up the "Jewish character" point with regards to population, but completely dodged and refused to answer when challenged to expand on why Israel would be concerned about maintaining it

@urstaxfetish1206

7 күн бұрын

You know he is out of it when he thinks Zionism is the same as why the Jews require themselves to remain the largest voting block

@kevinligutom6994

7 күн бұрын

@@socialjihad5724 there’s two possible reasons why he couldn’t. He was too dumb to understand Destiny’s position, or he knew Destiny’s position and knew it was better than his own position. His position requires you to assume maliciousness in Israel, and then ask the question of “should the US be allied with such evil” But since he had no proof for the evil, he always has to obfuscate since he knows facts proves him wrong.

Demon mama gives more succinct responses than this guy.

@user-zv2vm8bd8h

7 күн бұрын

You just reminded me that this creep exists. Why?

@juliusbrandl6821

7 күн бұрын

fuck you for reminding me of her existence

@TheKnizzine

7 күн бұрын

Crazy right?

@bwb403

7 күн бұрын

I was listening to this the whole time thinking that Ben sounds a whole lot like her. Him saying that precedent doesn't matter might eclipse the classic supply chain or yummy food comments from DM as dumbest things I've heard in a D debate.

@lawsonharrison6927

7 күн бұрын

Yeah but Ben is way hotter.

Ben: It’s a textbook apartheid state! Destiny: How many black people held office in South Africa? Ben: Apartheid doesn’t mean that it’s similar to South Africa in every single way Destiny: But you said “textbook apartheid” Ben: Shut Up! Just because South Africa made apartheid a thing doesn’t mean that their application of it is the textbook definition! Textbook Apartheid is what i want it to mean in the moment!

Holy fuck this guy loves to hear himself speak

@mandeepsuj1

7 күн бұрын

Exactly why he got a umm uhhh uuuummmm uhhhhh philosophy ummm uhhhhh ummm uhhh de ummm uhhh gree

@zzaqe2136

7 күн бұрын

​@@mandeepsuj1u know.. u know... Uno , yknow

@peach_of_justus

7 күн бұрын

He could have been a character in the south park episode where people like to smell their own farts

@Phil_Mitchell

7 күн бұрын

Which is funny really because he's an atrocious speaker. If you're a genuinely good speaker, I guess you can be forgiven for liking your own voice, especially if people praise you for it.

@bigboy2217

16 сағат бұрын

@@Phil_Mitchell He’s definitely not a bad speaker. He’s not some genius orator but he’s clearly capable of giving coherent sentences in a confident manner much more stable and intelligible way than the average person. He’s mid for somebody in his profession or in this area of online discourse. But he’s certainly better than most people.

I love how he doesn’t consider 49 Muslim countries that have zero Jews that safely live there “apartheid”. Whereas Israel has a huge Arab population and allows Muslims to hold office.

@user-cd4ms6cf8l

7 күн бұрын

I mean these people exlaim queers for Palestine. They're not serious people with a serious set of facts

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

This should be all you need to know about those Muslim countries. There are more Muslim refugees from Syria, Libya, etc in Norway than in UAE, SA, Qatar, etc combined. The fact is Israel and the western world care more about Muslims in the Middle East than the leaders of those countries do.

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

@@user-cd4ms6cf8l Pretty obvious they aren't serious when there's a ceasefire offer on the table and there's crickets from them demanding Hamas accepts it

@DaniellaBloom

7 күн бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

@@user-cd4ms6cf8l an entire farm full of chickens... 1 chick loves KFC.... seeeee chickens agree with me!

God this was so infuriating to listen to, I hope everyone can see that Ben just fucking runs out the clock and had no answers for anything, just raaamble and raaamble and MILLIONS OF PEOPLE FOR FIFTY SEVEN YEARS or whatever.

@bean-pod

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, I'm an hour in and I'm convinced Ben knows absolutely nothing about the conflict. It's like giving an oral presentation for a book report you've never read and trying desperately to full in the blanks

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

And then bailed.... lol I don't buy for a second that he lost his connection

@vishalp7005

7 күн бұрын

funny that was the exact phrase i can only remember him saying

@william4996

7 күн бұрын

BUT MILLIONS!!!! MILLLLLIIIONS!!!!!!!!

@yeahdontknow57

7 күн бұрын

Dude sounded like he threw up the word MILLIONS

destiny: black is not white, agree or disagreee? ben: look...yadayadayada...what abut gray...yadayadayada....2hrs later... what was the question?

@leandro6234

7 күн бұрын

destiny: irrelevant question to make himself look smarter than he is. ben: i guess i agree? that's not relevant

@zappersolo7588

7 күн бұрын

Example?​@@leandro6234

@garythecyclingnerd6219

7 күн бұрын

@@leandro6234It’s not irrelevant, it is, as Destiny said every time, to make sure they have the same FACTUAL reality. You can disagree with what should happen and who shares the most moral responsibility, but *must* agree on the same facts of the matter or the conversation is moot.

@blackmateo9583

7 күн бұрын

Irrelevant question or not, he took 15 minutes to answer every one. If it’s irrelevant, he could just answer yes or no and move on. Rambling is a sign that you can’t formulate concise, appropriately thought out responses, or even that you don’t understand the question or context. Its the intellectual equivalent of saying “uhhhhhh” 40 times in two sentences.

@spirit1803

7 күн бұрын

​​@@leandro6234 Nice post history. "There is no basis to call Hamas terrorists" Sub-human Hamas apologist, Cobain yourself.

Bro, that steel-man was HORRENDOUS😭😭😭”ya know, um, ya know, ummmmmm, ya know?”

@djon3043

7 күн бұрын

It took him a literal minute and a half to say “idk”

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

whoever submitted that question deserves a beej

@johnd1047

7 күн бұрын

@@howdareyou41 a SLOPPY beej

Why does nobody care about the Palestinian treatment of homosexuals?

@Liliovite

7 күн бұрын

Cuz it's gay

@truthteller2711

7 күн бұрын

Cause they’re murdered by the IOF

@Theactivepsychos

7 күн бұрын

It’s probably not top of the list of social ills when you think you’re in a Muslim and hyper Christian v Jewish religiously motivated war. It’s only in the last 75 years that it’s not been illegal in many western countries and only really the last 30 years being gay has been accepted without violent resistance from fellow citizens. I always think of Turing, one of world war 2 shining lights and ended up having to be chemically castrated fr hooking up with another guy. He ended up killing himself.

@Transhumanist_Adam

7 күн бұрын

Not sure if this is a joke, but it’s wholly irrelevant to the conflict.

@jub1985

7 күн бұрын

cognitive dissonance

Saw it live, this guy yaps but says almost nothing, destiny gives literally three different steel mans against himself and this guy couldn’t say anything but “uh. Yknow”

@bulldozer8950

7 күн бұрын

That was pretty insane, literally his only word about the steel man was “leverage” he just mumbled umm uhh for a full minute than said “you know leverage” after destiny gave a pretty solid steel man for the Palestinians position, then after that destiny also gave both a meme straw man for this guys position, and an actual steel man of this guys position. It sounds like an exaggeration but I think he really didn’t say a single thing for steelmanning destinys position except “leverage” and the rest was just filler words and him mumbling about how he can’t even think of destinys position It’s pretty crazy that people act like they can’t even fathom what the other side is arguing or whyd they believe what they do. It’s a contentious topic because there’s good arguments on both sides, if you can’t even fathom why the other side believes what they do how would you argue against them. You should know what their main reasons are and be able to explain why when you considered that it wasn’t convincing.

20 minutes in and Ben can't make a single concession without the caveat of "It doesn't matter", or "I don't care". You can't build a bridge with someone who won't acknowledge that your building materials exist.

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

the orginal reason was is israel an actual good ally and worth supporting, its destiny that side tracked every single time, ben brough it back to why or wh NOT israel is a good partner destiny tried to change the subject

@ciege7486

7 күн бұрын

​@@wingofshuMILLIONS. IN. FIFTY. SEVEN. YEARS. MILLIONS, THERE WERE MILLIONS. God, Ben is so convincing.

@Tumorcoach

7 күн бұрын

@@wingofshuno he didn’t this might be the most smooth brain reply here he never changed the subject at all he just asked clarifying questions about history cause Ben faulty parameters like the China example

@anotherclearchannel

6 күн бұрын

"You can't build a bridge with someone who won't acknowledge that your building materials exist." Wow! That was beautifully said. Please don't mind if I use this in my area of the world. 😇

@Tomer-oy1hj

4 күн бұрын

I wish it was just a simple idc, but it's worse, it is a few mins of yapping for every single tiny thing

Ben's position is genuinely looking at Israel in a vacuum and saying "Israel bad because war and occupation." Regardless of what other countries around there have done and regardless of what Palestinians did to get here. The whataboutism claim is frustrating because it feels like a situation where there are 6 or 7 kids in a family and they can fight and bite and kick and scream with no parental correction but as soon as Israel throws any kind of a punch, the parents (people like Ben) suddenly care about what Israel is doing, don't want to hear what other people did, two wrongs don't make a right, don't care about what the other brothers and sisters are doing, etc.

@kaleemmahmood7293

7 күн бұрын

This view completely forgot how us supports israel through trade. Israel don't face the same tariffs that these other countries face... its weird how israel takes it for granted whilst this is the one thing that denies access to technology in developing countries... I hate how israel play victim but the propaganda is easily seen through

@cassady7169

7 күн бұрын

@@kaleemmahmood7293well if those countries would become democratic and stop supporting terrorist governments like Hamas, the U.S. would probably start trading with them as well. The US didn’t even recognize Israel as an ally until 1989, well after Israel had been winning conflicts and gaining territory for decades so I’m not even sure what your point is.

@uhok6712

7 күн бұрын

@@kaleemmahmood7293Israel defeated Palestine before they ever had us military support.

@bulldozer8950

7 күн бұрын

Well if Israel is the oldest child then that’s exactly what happens between siblings 😂

@bulldozer8950

7 күн бұрын

@@kaleemmahmood7293that’s not true though. Jordan and Oman both have free trade agreements with the us as well. If no tariffs was the only reason Israel was doing better, we’d expect to see Jordan and Oman vastly outperforming the region as well, which isn’t really the case.

Trying not to be biased here but every time I've seen Ben Burgis he's been pretty shit debater.

@Tysca_

7 күн бұрын

That's because he's really dim and poorly informed. It has barely anything to do with his actual debate skills, which are actually quite strong. He sticks to his points and is good at arguing his position and pressing it, but his position is just dumb as fuck.

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

hes actuy better then destiny, he had to go back on topic many times after destiny veers off topic

@ciege7486

7 күн бұрын

​@@wingofshuYeah, totally was "actuy" better. Totally believe you aren't a bot.

@user-tj4le4ue7r

6 күн бұрын

@@wingofshuno he’s crap your just bias. He’s one of the worse pro Palestinians debaters

@ChaseFace

6 күн бұрын

@@user-tj4le4ue7ryou’re* just biased*

This Ben dude needs his doctorate yanked. He avoids all questions just like all Pro Palestinian speakers. They say 5 million words without saying a thing.

@peach_of_justus

7 күн бұрын

Set President Runday on him, he'll get that doctorate revoked

@menzere2009

7 күн бұрын

Destiny obfuscates as all Israel supporters . Destiny brings up 1967, gay rights, etc which are irrelevant to derail the convo and then when Ben attempts to respond Destiny complains they are off topic.

@Olinke

6 күн бұрын

Destiny is way too soft on these morons

Holy f*ck, why cant they ever just answer the question directly? Steve asked very clear and concise questions and all this guy does is "welll uhh, ya know, like I was just saying.. etc" So frustrating to listen to. Such a waste of time.

@djon3043

7 күн бұрын

He has to condescendingly insinuate that he supposedly already answered the question earlier almost every time he’s asked a question and it drives me crazy. “Like I said earlier…” “again…” “I’ve already said…” It gives “I’m not really paying attention, but I know I’m right and if you were listening earlier you would know that.”

@roymarshall_

3 күн бұрын

He can't answer the question because he doesn't know anything. He thought he could walk into this conversation with nothing but talking points.

This guy said Uuuhhhhh more than all his words used combined. Being a public speaker he may want to learn not to use 5 million filler words

@sgteatasnickers4355

7 күн бұрын

I think uhhh you’re uhm exaggerating uhh

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

if he said "literally millions" one more time I was gonna have a brain aneurysm

@mandeepsuj1

7 күн бұрын

He obviously does it on purpose

@CordaroBlu

7 күн бұрын

I wish he wouldn't have showed up using so many filler arguments either.

Ben Burgis is racist on an almost comical level. I've never seen someone humiliate themselves like this in a debate.

The magic “apartheid” state that appeared out of nowhere.

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

textbook! (that was a lie, it didn't in fact map to the textbook definition whatsoever)

Christ, does Ben know anything about the region at all? For example, Destiny says the US has acted like a counter towards Israel asks Ben to give an example of how this isn't the case. Instead Ben yaps non stop for 10 minutes without ever answering the question. Ben either has hearing deficiencies or just has very limited knowledge of region

The comments on the MDD upload of this debate are roasting Ben hardcore.

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

they should be roasting the moderator too. why do these debate bros even run these channels if they can't even make small talk? or I dunno moderate.

@peach_of_justus

7 күн бұрын

​@@howdareyou41bros got a subway tattoo and free subway for life so hes pretty much straight chillin and planning out which sandwich to get next instead of moderating

@Majorwindy

7 күн бұрын

@@howdareyou41 these channels suck. They do fuck all and just collect super chats.

@bigboy2217

16 сағат бұрын

@@howdareyou41 The moderation on MDD is incredibly hands off. And for the most part it’s good because hands on moderators are usually unfair, and even if they are fair they are typically scapegoats for the side that did poorly to blame.

Bro I can't get over how this guy looks like the south park world of warcraft guy when he does the thing with his glasses. I know it's rude to say, but damn, it's hard to not think about it.

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

I'm a jew so I can say this.... he was sooooo Jewy except the entire he hates Jews thing... but goddamm does he remind me of my family. reminds me of every nerdy 13 yo mieskeit learning his torah portions

@hawaiin420

7 күн бұрын

Can’t unsee it now

@cartersmith3516

6 күн бұрын

@@howdareyou41idk it’s a pretty good representation of a Gen z chronically online atheist Jew

15 minutes in, and I already can't stand Ben. Many words, to say so little. Just answer a question like a human and not a sad debate bro.

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

I know ben won by sticking to topic of is israel a good ally more, destiny changed topic from start basicly, has destiny won a debate at all on israel/palestine? so far no

@jamesl5504

6 күн бұрын

@@wingofshuyou are delusional

@hmkhgx8068

6 күн бұрын

​@wingofshu Sticking on topic? Pretty sure the guy rambled about every irrelevant thing instead of answering the question.

I guess Destiny isn't the only person that likes to play video games while they debate. Ben had his Evasive Elden rolls on point and managed to through all the questioning. Amazin!

@LowercaseKev

7 күн бұрын

That was very creative right there. Respect !!

@Azzam446

6 күн бұрын

Legend says he didn’t get once in the DLC

Ben doing way too much explaining and hedging to avoid conceding even the most basic statements. Painful

What a waste of time, if Burgis is a lecturer his classes are a waste of time too

@DonXardas

7 күн бұрын

I mean he himself is just a waste of skin.

@sathrielsatanson666

7 күн бұрын

That is such a silly statement. He can be a shitty debater and good lecturer, one has little to do with the other.

@DonXardas

7 күн бұрын

@@sathrielsatanson666 well seeing as he is lying and failing to produce any logical arguments I doubt he can be either of those two.

@bennymountain1

7 күн бұрын

THIS! Thank you! This is the reason why he triggers me so much! I've had to sit through hundreds of hours of professors like this because they also tracked attendance for final score. I wish I could ask for my money back, but I went to a government funded college 😂

@thisishappening7273

7 күн бұрын

@@sathrielsatanson666Lying, rambling professors who ignore facts and history and don’t understand their own positions are not likely to be great lecturers IMO.

Can't remember the last time Destiny absolutely dissected someone! Literally running donuts, laps and speed running Mario 64 on him. I wonder if the other guy thinks he did well in this discussion? ☠ Given how he talks, I reckon so 😂

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

I think he knew he was out of his league when he suddenly bailed lol

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

we watch same debate? destiny veered off the topic right away and even spread lies from IDF itself there atleast 3 different stories on the jourlnest and how many hostages he had and what floor he was on. this is the same IDF that lied abour 40 beheaded babies too. what else did israel lie about?

@fartbucket3524

7 күн бұрын

It wont matter. Leftists will just say hes a dr and destiny just reads wikipedia

@timwcronin

Күн бұрын

Destiny dissected himself

@bigboy2217

16 сағат бұрын

@@timwcronin Cope man. One day I hope you realize how biased you were.

I hate people yapping for 10 minutes with nothing to say

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

This guy showed up the debate thinking he was going to debate and answer questions about "if USA should fun Israel" for over an hour? lol

My favorite part was when Destiny laid out a coherent arguement and the other guy was looking like he was falling asleep and then couldn't respond to any of it

Ben: "uhm, you know... if, you know, ughm, you know..ugh... you know... ughm..." that was honest to god his steelman for the israeli position. can you imagine this being your professor for the next 2 hours?

If you took a shot for every time "2000 lb bomb" was said youd have liver failure within the first 5 minutes

The point destiny gave at 1:40:15 is a mic drop. So many people criticize Israel's war conduct and try to propose these "special operation" solutions, and case-and-point, they tried it, rescued hostages, and STILL got called "genocidal" because it resulted in palestinian deaths.

@nooftaheri3502

7 күн бұрын

Is this about the time where 4 Israeli hostages were rescued and over 270 Palestinians died as a result?

@erin3587

7 күн бұрын

@@nooftaheri3502 yep

Opening statement: Same boring pro Palestinian talking points. ‘Children dying!!!’, ‘ethnic cleansing’, ‘2000lb bombs!!’ (No argument, just an observation I guess?), ‘apartheid!!!’. I wonder if I’ll learn anything, or if this conversation will be as shallow and uninteresting as the rest of those with pro-Palestinians who seemingly got their information from Instagram and tiktok.

@ilyagutnik7640

7 күн бұрын

From all the debates Ive seen so far both on english and russian(since its my mother tongue),all pro palis talk about the same shit.Nothing new,ethnic cleansing,apartheid and other shit.The same narrative with no actual basis.People that do know history against people who just ✨feel✨ like it

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

It's all nessery and facts thoe it's what Israel diaper farts does

@tooitchy

7 күн бұрын

It somehow gets worse.

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

@@matsab7930 all those terms apply perfectly thoe,they should be repeated until it's solved

@uhok6712

7 күн бұрын

@@wingofshuhow big is too big of a bomb?

How can Destiny still complain about how hot it was in Israel when his debates get HEATED so often?

2:05:44 it literally took Ben a full minute and a half just say “I don’t know.” Bro is so worried about Destiny using “debate tactics” but the only tactic going on here is Bens signature YAP attack

@japhalpha

7 күн бұрын

It’s a great disrupter to tell his opponents he uses debate tactics. There was a tennis player that would ask his opponent whether he inhaled or exhaled when they served, and it would make them overthink their serve.

@dalodulo1373

7 күн бұрын

"It's super effective, the audience is BORED!"

Closing argument: "I think that [eh] if you have [eh] that if you say that the answer is no, my question is what's the therefore. In other words [hum] if the answer is you don't have happy existences [hum] for Jewish people living in dictatorships theocracies and monarchies therefore if [heu] if a democratic state extended equal rights [uh] to [uh] to all of its Arab population then [uh] you wouldn't have a [uh] a happy existence for Jewish people within the existing state. It does seem a little confusing why that would be true if not for some sort of essentialist reason because if rather than having theocracies, monarchies [uh] you had a democratic republic but that democratic republic was majority Arab therefore it would be the same thing I'm confused about what the non-essentialist reason for that would be." Imagine having this guy as your teacher...

I'm only 15 minutes in and I'm guessing this guy is never going to actually answer any question.

This guy hit every buzz word in his opening statement what a great game of bingo

@Steve2016100

7 күн бұрын

No he didn't. He missed "dumb bombs"

Ben "Big Mad" Burgis

@crispy4797

7 күн бұрын

Big mac

@user-fk3vt3mh3o

7 күн бұрын

@@crispy4797 got eeem!

@louie3216

7 күн бұрын

Majority Report’s best debater in action lmao

@ramy9103

7 күн бұрын

Ben “Uhh” Burgers

@touchpotential3762

7 күн бұрын

Ben just needed to tell Destiny that Israel’s fear of the Arab world is due to the fact that they strong armed the creation of an ethno state in the middle east rather than a random island in the middle of the pacific ocean.

Don’t stop the I/P topic as it’s still relevant and it’s informing content

@Kervath

7 күн бұрын

You really can't tell sarcasm through text.

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

it's sooo good at revealing who's sane

When Destiny brought up Ben's article critiquing the special operation to save hostages right after Ben said Israel sucks because they don't do more special operations I cringed so hard, how in the world do you not quit the political sphere after getting called out that hard lmao

@richardhands904

7 күн бұрын

That was pure slam dunk ha

What kind of professor this guy is? I can’t believe he graduated from high school? A 14 year old can express himself better than he can.

@xObscureDarkness

7 күн бұрын

Reminds me a lot of my old professors they’re more interested in sounding smart than actually teaching their listeners No clue how to communicate effectively

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

naw, hes good, he stayed on the topic best possible, its destiny that veered off topic

@printgymnast368

7 күн бұрын

​@wingofshu what doctor performed your brain surgery

@Tumorcoach

7 күн бұрын

@@wingofshu no he didn’t why are you lying you can’t even give an argument he gave

@Yrgzip0

6 күн бұрын

@@wingofshunice bait

These people still haven't realised that the constant grandstanding to audience, hedging future arguments and repeated lack of engagement with questioning makes them look 10x worse than if they just answered the damn question.

@warnaoh

6 күн бұрын

It only does to your echo chamber. There are some people out there who see Palestinians as humans and are not fooled by your dirty zionist rhetoric.

I think this was your best debate you demolished him and made him look unreasonable and emotional

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

always a good indication you won when your interlocutor pretends to be frozen on zoom and then pulls out the ethernet cable with his foot

This happens when your entire argumentation chain is build on the most basic internet talking points. There is a lot of criticism to be levied at Israel, especially its current right wing government. The way this guy is doing it sounds like every teenager who read a few articles on this but knows nothing about the broader context.

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

I know destiny lost this dabate so hard because wikipedia alone is not a good source

@cartersmith3516

6 күн бұрын

@@wingofshuis this satire?

@wingofshu

6 күн бұрын

@@cartersmith3516 not satire destony only wanted to change subjects, he lost this hard

@allrequiredfields

5 күн бұрын

@@wingofshu Holy shit, you cannot possibly be serious. No one could be this dense. What's even more bonkers is you don't even realize just how much you're embarrassing yourself here. Damn. I'm hoping you just didn't watch, but if you DID, I'm going to guess you never finished the 3rd grade.

@yelenas2495

5 күн бұрын

@@cartersmith3516not satire, the dude is dead serious and it’s not surprising at all. Denying objective truth and facts is on brand pali behavior. Someone can sit and say nothing but “nuh-huh” and you will find in the comments pro pali commies talking about how they “ATE” this one.

Ben just compared Israel, and the war in Gaza, a war started by Hamas, who still hold hostages, who consistently refuse a ceasefire to return the hostages for anything less than Israels dissolution as a state, to the war in Russia, and the invasion of Ukraine, which was unprovoked by all reasonable metrics, and began as a proxy war/civil war in Ukraine, and expanded to a full on invasion of Ukraine by Russia... This comparison is literally disgusting, and it cannot be overstated just how disgusting it is.

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

right? is Ben saying Ukraine attacked Russia first? Does Benny boy think Ukrainians stole Russian women and children to rape and murder?

@wingofshu

7 күн бұрын

lol another one digit IQ person this war started atleast in 1967, west bank is occupied and gaza strip is under siege AND occupied

@warnaoh

6 күн бұрын

Agreed. Israel is much more disgusting than Russia and the worse Nazis in Ukraine.

@SaraSila08

6 күн бұрын

Avg liberal deranged westerner be like:

Ben just gave the absolutely most misinformed dogshit opening I’ve ever heard, this gon be a good one 😮

Ben got BTFO'd so hard. Holy shit lol.

Ben doesn't understand anything about the Middle East, it's torture to listen to him

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

seriously they used to play tapes of him speaking at gitmo

God there are serious issues with certain aspects of academia

@yaaraamozig4862

7 күн бұрын

100%

Why can none of these guys ever answer questions?? Like dude, I know its inconvenient, but own your position.

@cassady7169

7 күн бұрын

I haven’t watched the whole debate yet so this might not be relevant here but I just wanted to add that I also hate how they can never engage with hypotheticals. They seem to think that Destiny is always employing debate tactics and “gotch yas” wo they never engage in honest conversation.

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

imagine being a Jew who can't agree that Jews wouldn't fair so well in a sharia state

Why is Destiny more knowledgeable on this issue than all these Professors and PhDs??? Maybe because actually researching a topic gives more knowledge than having a PhD gives one knowledge osmotically - with no work

@designeedesigner6182

6 күн бұрын

I think it's because they're so ideologically driven that they don't want to see the actual facts of history and the modern day.

@mysteryfoood3509

3 күн бұрын

He knows a Wikipedia level amount which he had to bone up on hard after the finklestein disaster

@TheRainsRuined

3 күн бұрын

​@@mysteryfoood3509 I love how people say that after him going to Israel and speaking with primary sources themselves... And his viral short that shows all the research he did which shut lot of people down On top, before the debate, he literally read more research papers and reports than Finkle seemed to. Given how Finkle didn't know what Dolus Specialis was. On media Finkle sourced Destiny a passage in the report... guess what, Finkle clowned on, since the passage DID NOT say what he thought it did To kick a dead horse, the Pres of the case came out to speak against Finkles claim of Geno. within that case

@tylerloving7132

2 күн бұрын

They are educated stupid. They get stuck in their own fart sniffing bubble.

@LalaWatches

Күн бұрын

​@@mysteryfoood3509Finkelstein was a joke! Was not a disaster for Destiny what so ever

It's so crazy that the guy who kidnapped Woody became a professor in run-on sentences

I use the same tactic when I'm losing an online argument aka my cat pulled the plug

@howdareyou41

7 күн бұрын

I love that Destiny was the one who gave a heads up about storms in Miami and then it was Ben who suddenly bailed lol hahaaa

I can't believe Ben accused Destiny of stalling for time. 😂

@marcmacaluso2795

7 күн бұрын

I'M not-- It's called DARVO.

Destiny cooked him like fucking Master Chef

I started watching Destiny during the Jontron Incident, it’s been amazing watching him climb the ladder and have the opportunity to debate President Jimble ❤️❤️❤️

Ben the Fillibuster successfully wasting literally everyone's time with useless bullshit. Primo stuff.

Wow, Ben was massacred here on a level almost equal to the Nova Festival. Kudos to Destiny.

from a pure rhetoric perspective, 1:09:00 was one of the most devastating counterattacks ive ever seen

I used to watch flat earthers arguments.. this is next level..

i actually really want to listen to this debate but i can't listen to this guy speak on end when it's supposed to be a debate. 40 minutes in and i've heard 95 percent of this guy and 5 percent destiny

They be giving anyone doctorates these days

It's funny how everyday destiny proves every day how useless most college degrees are and they mean 0 but he still stans them lol

@JimC607

7 күн бұрын

Overall, people with degrees do far better in life than those without.

Isn't Ben Burgess well known enough in this community that it makes more sense to just use his name instead of 'lefty professor'?

@MobileNasty

7 күн бұрын

No

@MrBendoverr

7 күн бұрын

of course it is, but destiny and his editors are the most disingenous people. destiny would say 'whatever' it takes to WIN a debate. his debates arent healthy, just runs all the IDF talking points. cites One article that backs up his side. Meanwhile rest of world knows its a genocide

@badabingbing474

7 күн бұрын

No

@Perfectcrime87

7 күн бұрын

Nope. I know who he is now, and I wish I didn't

@uhok6712

7 күн бұрын

Who?

Ben: here are my main points. Destiny: here are my main points. Destiny: ok, before we address each other’s arguments, can we just make sure we agree on basic facts so we can make our case without this devolving into a pedantic debate? Ben: *wastes an hour with word vomit while refusing to give straightforward answers to exceedingly straightforward questions.* Ben: in closing, I just want to point out that over the past hour [of time I completely wasted droning on and on], that Destiny never rebutted my main arguments. Ergo, I win. Brilliant strategy - waste all the time on the clock, and then claim you won when you never actually had the debate. Yeah, I’d be pissed too if I were Destiny. So absurd.

The guy was so afraid to agree on the simplest statement. It’s like he was trying to dodge a trap 10 steps ahead that doesn’t even exist.

The amount of buzzwords in the first minute of his opening statement is enough for me to turn off

Dude (Ben) can’t even steel man his adversary side. While Destiny can. But again Destiny Steelman his opponent 3 times making Destiny look bad for overdoing it for his autistic debate niches.

@LowercaseKev

7 күн бұрын

Or you watch this and see it as Destiny offering an olive branch more than once with Ben refusing to use it each time for fear of losing ground. Destiny just simulated Israel/palestine peace negotiations mid debate without anyone being the wiser. If this was a rap battle people would be dissecting this like an Eminem feature😂😂

@LowercaseKev

7 күн бұрын

It’s a joke before someone else who doesn’t realize it says something

My takeaway: "STOP YAPPING!"

At 1:39:54 is when Steven just unleashes on Ben's bogus argument about warfare.

The way this guy is answering fact based questions is why so many people think debate is pointless

From the safety of his American home, Ben is generous in his assurances that a new Arab Muslim majority state in which Muslims have been raised on a steady diet of antisemitism would become the single Arab Muslim majority state that will respect the rights of Jewish residents. Of all the Muslim Arabs in the region, this 5 million with the most actively hostile view of Jews will be different from the other 450 million.

@yelenas2495

5 күн бұрын

Well just because it didn’t worked in the past, doesn’t mean it won’t work this time. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results it’s insanity, unless it’s communism or disarming the Jews. Those too will 100% work out just fine if you try - pro pali commie logic.

Why would you agree to a 30 minute open discussion, 5 minute closings, and 2 hour Q&A lmao

I love when people claim you are no longer a civilian when you do compulsory military service 😂

@vinnycannoli47

7 күн бұрын

I also wonder why Israel implemented compulsory military service 🤔

I like Destiny's intro approach a lot. There is really no reason to debate someone when they cling to some idealism and ignore obvious differences and advantages. And if you have to at least it is good to point this dissent out from the very beginning.

I absolutely hate when someone lists out logical fallacies to negate another person's argument thinking that they are always used incorrectly. Whataboutism for example. What about... Arabs have more freedom, rights, financial opportunities, safety, basic needs (housing, food, water, healthcare) in Israel Proper than in any other neighbouring country? What about that Ben?

@IAmTheBugInsideYou

7 күн бұрын

The fallacy fallacy. An argument containing a logical fallacy isn't necessarily incorrect, because yeah when you just name drop them & move on, you're not proving them wrong, you're just signalling that you can recall the name

Did Burgis really just say before his closing he's been talking about this conflict for all of his adult life? If this video is any indication, that talking is a waste of everyone's time, even to the Palestinians being ethnically slaughtered and JDAM apartheided.

How misogynistic to mute a strong independent woman.

@sigigle

7 күн бұрын

Fark, these jokes still getting upvotes?...

@meowmeow9326

7 күн бұрын

seeing 5 comments like this on any destiny video i click really makes me wish i could mute people in youtube comments to never hear fromt hem again, eventually i wouldnt hafta hear this joke for the 29384762394u762398478623 time

@chuckles819

7 күн бұрын

Where's the bans? We want justice

@Census__

7 күн бұрын

O7

1:00:02 - Destiny naming all those dates is such a low-key flex!

The fact that he unironically said that allowing Pakistanis to reinter India would be based knowing what absolute bloodbath partition was is just crazy to me

Regarding Ben; I've never heard a person talk so much and says nothing!

@DJ-wl5qo

7 күн бұрын

Elizabeth Holmes syndrome

this guy couldn’t be more of a joke

Debate philosophy professor who can't debate a KZreadr, what a joke

Ben: i gave you an example Steven: what was it? Ben: shut up, I need to yap now

do the pro pals even have a decent debater on their side? seriously, Burgis is next level pathetic.

I've never seen someone take so long to say absolutely nothing of substance at all.

Oh yeah, and he RAGEQUIT! 🤦‍♂️😂

Listening to this debate while at the gym was a bad idea. Doing planks while Ben was talking was not fun.

I respect Bens willingness to have this debate, but boy did he come unprepared

0:51 “me hyperbolizing is going to sound like hyperbole” Water down the terms “genocide” and “apartheid” and wonder why people don’t take you seriously.