After this the "Q" on the BIOS switch went from "quiet" to "quite insane"

Thank you Roman for the effort you spend on these videos! Youre doing a very important job for the community

@albertwesker4266

Жыл бұрын

Yes, many of gamers will do that to their setups 🤪✌️

@halrichard1969

Жыл бұрын

@@albertwesker4266

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

All he did was flash his bios ... yeah very important job for the community

@sheesh7872

Жыл бұрын

@@112Famine its about trying whats possible

@J_KM654

Жыл бұрын

@@112Famine Well someone’s grumpy… If you don’t like the video then don’t watch it, nobody’s forcing you 🤷✌️

The PCIE switching to lower rate is a BIOS bug in the Intel 6xx and 7xx series chipsets. At first it has happening to old hardware, like 7970 running only PCIE 1.0, then an updated BIOS was provided by most manufacturers, but the new hardware bugged out.

@cocosloan3748

Жыл бұрын

Точно

@jojolol7566

Жыл бұрын

He could also check every pcie lane pair with a multi meter and checking if there is any weird values. Diode mode with positive probe on ground helps a lot. I've had cards do 8x only due to contacts being slightly dirty as well.

@gshotboss835

Жыл бұрын

my friend i has the same issue , is there anyway to fix please and thank you

@puciohenzap891

Жыл бұрын

It's not bugged if it's ASUS Z790 Extreme and he has an M.2 drive in the M.2_1 slot - ASUS was being stupid by splitting the Gen5 lanes between the slots and the M.2_1 to make the M.2 and GPU run Gen5 but at the cost of the GPU being x8. You must run the M.2 SSD's in the M.2 PCH slots (2 and 3) to get X16 back on the GPU.

@gshotboss835

Жыл бұрын

@@puciohenzap891 but I have msi board

You have a Asus Maximus 790 Extreme. If you download the manual and go to page 13 you see that M.2_1 (CPU attached) run on x4 and the PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8. So If you have your SSD in the slot above your GPU it will run 8x. If you use the M.2 slots under your GPU it will run x16. so use slot M.2_2 supports PCIE 4.0 x4 (CPU attached) Or M.2_3 supports PCIE 4.0 x4 (Intel Z790 Chipset) Or use the DIMM.2 slot

@xite45

Жыл бұрын

he test it on another rig and still got 8x.....

@stephenhood2948

Жыл бұрын

@@xite45 Its possible he has the SSD in the wrong slot on that MOBO as well, many PCIe Gen 5 capable boards split bandwidth with certain M.2 slots. Im not sure what slot he is using, and I would assume he knows this, he is clearly very intelligent, but it is still possible.

@rollnrollnroll

Жыл бұрын

I have Asus Maximus Z690 Extreme and nothing in my M2_1. My BIOS is up to date. My vbios (4090 Suprim X) is up-to-date. I'm still getting X8. I've tried 4090 FE and a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC before this (as well as my evga 3090) which all ran at X16.

Would be cool to test the stock cooler out to see how well it’ll do with extra power. They’re so over engineered for 500w… I bet it’ll do great at 750w. Not sure about 1k but that’s what testing is for! 🏆🍻

@der8auer-en

Жыл бұрын

can check that after doing the XOC :D because it's kind of a risk as I said.

@SimanSlivar

Жыл бұрын

The problem is the vrm temps that's nuts. I'd expect them to be a bit better. I'm wondering what the original TDPs where for the 4090 for them to have these massive heat sinks...

@utubby3730

Жыл бұрын

Right now Im more concerned with wtf is going on with the adapters...

@DuyLeNguyen

Жыл бұрын

@@SimanSlivar topping out at 90 degrees while providing 700W+ to the GPU and running naked with no heatsink that's actually quite impressive.

@scottsoleski6501

Жыл бұрын

@@utubby3730 cause that’s all u know

I suppose as long as you're gaming in winter, and you don't mind using your GPU as part of your central heating this 800W power draw is not that bad 😅

@vince207

Жыл бұрын

protip : you can also intake air from outside of your place to ease the cooling of you rig

Man these new faster paced videos are so informative and useful. Great job!

Awesome! Can’t wait to see how crazy all those components on the board will go!

You are what I thought Linus would become in time. Thank you for the passion behind your work, keep loving what you do man, the rest comes with time

@MeakerSE

Жыл бұрын

Really? Linus never really seemed like the sort to go into extreme over locking properly.

@rx10

Жыл бұрын

@@MeakerSE He was a worker for NCIX, what he could do was very limited but he was extremely curious and at the time one of the few trying new things, mods , ln2. Don't get me wrong , he is doing amazing with LMG and I still watch his videos . But you can tell he lost that passion for PC hardware that nerds like der8auer still have. Can't blame the dude when he's a millionaire and focusing on bigger things tho

@GSP-76

Жыл бұрын

@@rx10 what "bigger" things is he focusing on? lol, I always saw him as an ackward imbecile...but he did get a bit better. His view of technology overall is about as stupid as they come. Especially when he doesn't understand something or how a certain product is used in a real professional environment. Something neither he or any of the people he hired have ever worked in.

@Redman147

Жыл бұрын

@@rx10 Not sure you watch his videos if this is what you honestly think. If he was concerned about money, he would've retired years ago. I've followed Linus since he was at NCIX, and he's always had a broader interest in tech as a whole. PC hardware was a good place to start. If you really think he's lost passion, you should watch more of his videos. Yeah, he doesn't do unboxings anymore, but that's because you find out everything about the PC hardware and then some on the websites now, but if you like the ins and outs of just PC hardware then Gamers Nexus is probably a good place to be alongside our good friend Der8auer.

@rx10

Жыл бұрын

@@Redman147 uhhh... Sure kid

Hi, It's a problem with MSI Afterburner which also locks out zero fan mode. The solution is to use NVIDIA Cleanup Tool / reinstall driver and all functionality is restored. Worked for 3090 Ti FE. Hope this research helps the community too.😀

The effort and the accomplishments made by this channel are incredible . Well done 😊

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

effort and the accomplishments? Well done? All he did was flash his bios or am I missing something?

@Infiniti.151

Жыл бұрын

@@112Famine he did design and sell many delidding tools which are very helpful for modders

Please, when you are allowed, try to boost a 7900XTX to use 450W and compare its performance to the stock 4090. Then of course see just how far you can take it. I really enjoy these bleeding-edge videos.

edge of seat. I have the same mod block from EKWB and I was too scared to use it without VRM cooling. thanks for doing this.

Holy sh!t you really do create some amazing content. I am perpetually in awe of your skill/knowledge/competence ... I cant wait to see the results!

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

All this was is empty content, only thing he does is flash a bios, you come off as a bot! Being in "awe" over a bios being flashed? Do you need to wear a helmet at all times for insurance reasons?

@aaronjones4529

Жыл бұрын

@@112Famine I'm sorry your mommy didn't love you

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit before next video, you're going to need to take a sedative before hand so you do not stroke out when he changes a printer cartage & calls it content, by the way, while you're extreme brown nosing him, that involves you're whole head, would you stick out your tongue & check his prostate, it would save him a trip to the Urologist, & if you feel any growths, polyps, boils, or cysts, if you would just crew them off & sucking out any puss. And talking about puss, your mom last night told me to to just pick off her scabs to make her extra dripping wet.

@aaronjones4529

Жыл бұрын

@@112Famine wow wow, wow, wow........wow. Trolling on the internet is tight! Do you kiss your momma with that mouth? 112Famine >"Yes sir I do"

Yes! New Der8auer mod let's go!

So if you put 1,000 watt power target. What good does it do when they only supply cables that can handle 600max.

@ChristopherGoggans

Жыл бұрын

I'd strongly suspect that Roman (Der8auer) has either OEM or custom power cables able to carry higher current. The Nvidia adapter is only used if you're using the PCI-E power connectors. There's a new ATX spec for the PSUs that defines this new 12pin high power input for the GPU. A number PSU manufacturers either have an included a dedicated cable, or have made one available as an aftermarket part if your PSU was made before this was a standard. Also, actually manufacturing your own power cables isn't terribly difficult, just needing some wire, the plastic housing, a hand crimping tool, and the correct size pins for the housing. Most people will then sleeve the individual cables either with a plastic sleeving material, or use paracord to cover the cable and make it look nicer, and match their build color scheme.

Adding an M.2 drive can cause lane bifurcation and drop your x16 slot to x8 mode. Check your motherboard manual.

Bad CPU mount? Linus had the PCIe issue happen on a LGA Threadripper and the problem was solved by reseating the CPU.

@puran1313

Жыл бұрын

This, my RX 570 running at x8 was fixed by reseating my R5 1600.

Insane You always push the envelope further than anyone else

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

All he did was flash a bios, not have the waterblock needed, & pet his cat. I've been installing hacked bios's & water cooling for 3 decades.

1kw 4090, dude, you're Mad :D

Bro you are insane, I love it

Loving the cat getting some camera time, he(?)'s absolutely gorgeous.

@der8auer , i know you probably know that, but disable all C-States and power saving stuff in the BIOS and for the PCIe, and force PCIe x16 GEN4, try with different PCIe x16 Gen4 on the motherboard if available, also check the Windows Power Settings, if you haven't touched this, it can have some PCI related settings to be left on power saving mode, even if it's on Balanced or Recommended setting. Also in Nvidia Control Panel, set it to be on Prefer Max Performance. You can use other than GPU-Z tools to check how much PCIe lanes it uses, also check only under load, sometimes even after the settings like I said above, it will show x8 unless you put load on it. Well, you can inject voltage on the GPU itself and check if they are really dead lanes or something else is the problem. It doesn't make sense to kill half of PCIe lanes, without even disassembling the card. I had a problem before with the PCIe lanes, but it was because I used too much of them for other peripheral devices, like too much M.2 NVMe SSDs and SATA Connections, 10Gb PCIe LAN Cards and etc.

Truly amazed once more. Thanks for raising the bar above everyone else !

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

Yup, you're a bot no question about it. Or you're really 'truly amazed' by seeing someone flash a bios. "raising the bar above everyone else" ... again all he did was flash a bios, or am I missing something?! Yeah no one else flash a bios

@andyvanderbeken3729

Жыл бұрын

@@112Famine Nope, you didn't miss anything, especially not all the effort in discovering and then lifting bottleneck after bottleneck in order to truly explore the maximum potential of this card in ways no one else has even attempted. I guess I must be a bot =P

x8 PCIe lanes could be one bios setting for the NVMe drive config. I got the same issue after a BIOS flash. An NVMe drive was sharing the slot bandwidth (no drive installed) but you know this can happen. Just saying. Might be possible to get full link speed.

That thumbnail definetly grabbed me.

Maybe its an wierd motherboard bug that causes the x8, maybe worth an bios flash just to test?

More power Mr. Scott!

Hello Roman, could you add digital thermometer in the background when testing the 4090? I'm sure it can heat your room easily

The two times I had the PCIe lanes randomly dropping, 1st was the CPU needed re-seating (and cooler was tightened too much) and 2nd time the PCIe socket and edge connector just needed cleaning :)

Really hope you do a launch day video for the 7900XT like you did on the 4090. curious how much power there is to be saved.

That's insane. I want one!

To be on the safe side, install a waterblock and benchmark first on stock BIOS to check the mount. Only flash BIOS if you know your mount is good.

This is my favorite tech channel. I love how in-depth you get with specific topics and how you aren't afraid to damage some hardware to test something

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

... this video was nothing more than "empty content", all he did was install a not good enough waterblock, & flash a bios, & pet his cat.

@iclimbeverything2990

Жыл бұрын

i think youre confusing "arent afraid" with "crazy man"

En route to 1 gigawatt for the 50 series... I'm having talks with Siemens and GE to have one of those nuclear plant installed in my backyard.

Legend right here , Good video Roman, From the Mad Scientist

Doing and OctaneBench run (Octane Render 2021) is one way to test card speed without the PCI-E bandwidth restriction as it loads the card up for local-compute only. I've had identical scores on a 3090 inside a PC vs outside via Thunderbolt. Maybe that's one idea for your testing ?

1:00 The last fan on right side of GPU looks scared of overclocking.

I repair graphics cards for a living and I see this all the time its most likely a damaged 250nf capacitor on one of the pcie lanes.. You can measure with a standard multimeter and compare the readings from neighboring PCIe capacitors... They are located next to the pcie slot connected to each pcie lane on the back of the card.. Good luck love the vids keep up the good work..

@BanksRacing11

Жыл бұрын

This would only be the case if it does it on both AMD and Intel boards..

My guy is a mad lad.

Will be interesting to see if a proper block like the up coming ones from Optimus or Watercool Make a meaningful difference. Probably like 5c°. 10c° at most.

@4gbmeans4gb61

Жыл бұрын

I pre ordered the EK v2 block, hoping it does good. Hoping for 40-45c at 100% load.

Thankfully even though shorts is "broken" (read as YT tampered with the content algorithm leading into a US election) my subs work still. Good stuff.

5:57 the most important support

Dayam you beat me! Good Job.

You tried a different motherboard, re: x8 mode right? I've seen certan NVME slots which cause dropdowns if using a 4.0 x4 nvme The other thing i've seen is that the CPU driven PCI-E bus pins is on the EDGE of the CPU, which means that re-seating the CPU (and if you're using your bracing block this is more likely) and re-seating it will potentially fix it.

Fun tip: If you hold shift and right click in a directory you can open a command line.

This indication ftom gpuz is the card is on power saving mode, when you click render you should show x 16

if i remember right, i think i found that the pci-e slot can be active, as in it can change its settings as needed.

You're a king and asus ROG PC components are as well. Goat

Hey @der8auer. Any explanation about that nice Wireview adaptor that you used :) Coming out soon? Would be sweet over the cablemod one.

Do you have a NVMe drive in the top NVMe spot? On the Asus Extreme boards, if you occupy the top NVMe slot, the top PCIe slot will run at X8 instead of X16.

That WireView module is slick! Would you happen to have a link for where to buy it?

Have that same universal GPU block, wish that EK would continue support and create updated mounts for it. It's an awesome little block

@user-xx8tn4kx4l

Жыл бұрын

waste of stuff. better upgrade your ssd(2 more topic)

Try cleaning the PCIe gold pin connectors. It could be thermal compound stopping connectivity. That's what happened with my 3080.

Bought an Asus motherboard one time and it also showed the PCIe x16 in x8 mode. Randomly fixed itself to be x16 at one point, then randomly reverted to x8. It wasn't related to having NVMe. I returned the board and bought a different one. New board worked correctly.

Fascinating

is the x8 on the pci on different motherboards? otherwise maybe look at the bios if the pci slot is being bifurcated causing it to run at x8, and i assume that slot is directly hooked up to the cpu? so could also be a cpu mounting issue/cpu io issues?

It's the resistor on the back side of the motherboard somewhere close to the solder blobs of the pins. I've seen this before and RMA fixed it.

@sheeren6188

10 ай бұрын

And it seems to happen only with some 4090 cards, while lets say 3080 4070 seem to be fine.

Does running "nvidia-smi -q -d power" in commandline get correct power value with mod-bios?

weren't these pushing 3ghz with the stock power draw? Kind of feel cheated with an additional 300w only getting another 30mhz ..

Regarding the bus interface problem: I think it would probably be nice if you can place the GPU in another motherboard (since I think you don't have another Strix 4090), to check if the problem is with the GPU or with the motherboard itself. Edit: 3090 -> 4090. My bad.

@codygrinnell8676

Жыл бұрын

4090** sorry, had to

@jlgroovetek

Жыл бұрын

Lol, you realize derbauer is one of the world's most knowledgeable overclockers with dozens of motherboards at his disposal right?

@noobslayer815

Жыл бұрын

@@jlgroovetek yeah but maybe he didn't try another motherboard?

@deher9110

Жыл бұрын

@@jlgroovetek you realize its impossible for a single person to know everything about something right?

@jlgroovetek

Жыл бұрын

@@deher9110 you realize that if derbauer didn't try this 4090 on another mobo he'd have no credibility right? It's literally the first thing he would have tried.

this is wonderfully insane

Maybe you could use a multimeter to check the resistance for each pcie data line one the card, all of them should be identical.

What's that wireview device you have attached to the pcie power cable displaying wattage? that's neat. I kinda want one.

Hey there! Nice! What about M.2 SSD attached to PCI connected directly to CPU (the same one where the GPU is)? As far as I remember it shares the lines.

@der8auer-en

Жыл бұрын

that's why I tested it on an APEX board with SATA SSD and different CPU :D but same thing

@EasyMoney322

Жыл бұрын

Direct connect of M.2 SSD to CPU should not consume PCIe lanes of the 1st slot in modern boards. They are using separate lines. It does consume when you connect m2 SSD via PCH in PCI-mode tho. At leasts thats how it works for x570, x670, z690. You can check chipset diagrams as a proof.

Did you make sure that the NVMe you are using isn’t sharing lanes with the 16x slot?

der8auer are you planning on revisiting this setup with an EK-Quantum Vector² Strix/TUF RTX 4090 D-RGB ABP Set with the ACTIVE BACKPLATE COOLING? Very curious on if it would benefit with the upgraded BIOS 24/7 gaming. I have a MORA 3 with 7950X3D Thx

Tldr: they are already running an impractical over lock out of the box. That level of power isn't getting much extra . They were so worried what RDNA was going to hit. It will be fascinating to see how the AMD cards scale considering their more sane starting TDP....

@user-xx8tn4kx4l

Жыл бұрын

they got another way to make things work properly, i love that. they got a step back from useless powerforcing with a worser powerdellivery, you know what o mean, but got a huuuuuuuuuge jump to delivering people some technologies and computing powers that other companies thinks we're not worthy (very fluffy, but as it is)

@Jeroensgambling

Жыл бұрын

AMD will be 10 to 20% below to 4090 pretty much. But at 600$ discount and less power consumption then Nvidia.

Power saving features affect the GPUz pci-e displayed speeds. If you run a load on the gpu it'll change to x16 4.0.

@AlexWinExperiments

Жыл бұрын

He ran a load and it was still max x8 4.0

wonder if the x8 is some kind of antitamper nvidia snuck into the board if it detects high power bios

ok, I have to know, are we getting a Der8auer Cat Tips channel in the future. You know we're really here for them right? 😁

can i ask - i notice there is already a second BIOS released for this card but no changlog to tell you what is being changed - what are the changes with the bios revision ?

I also experienced a few problems regarding pcie connectivity on some asus boards with 4090s.

You're the best.

I can't wait to get a card for ln2!

Try cleaning the contacts with alchohol and check the caps and resistors near the PCI contacts. Occasionally when I've had weird problems, like your x8 problem, that I couldn't find anything obvious, I first try cleaning the whole board with alchohol and then if that doesn't work I spray the board with some flux, because the alchohol will have cleaned the old flux off, and try reflowing the whole board in an oven. Occasionally one of those two will fix the problem.

@FilipMunk

Жыл бұрын

reflow in a oven is not the way of fixing it, as it can do more damage. the problem could be the bios bug that some of the new intel boards have, it sounds more like a motherboard problem

@1234567890CAB

Жыл бұрын

@@FilipMunk I specifically said reflow last because it is a last resort when you know there is a hardware problem but cannot find it. I did not say that it was the best primary go to fix.

What unit are you using to connect to the water block? Ive been looking for this and cant seem to find it online. I was hoping to find a unit i can connect to any water block of my choice.

Cant wait for the 13 gen dedicated bracket :) for Z790 mobos. In my motherboard the screws are to short to mount bracket now.

@sagerdood

Жыл бұрын

You should be fine... the boards are the same... i had no issues going from an apex to a aorus master

Unlimited power!

I am, so amazed, on something small such as CPU/GPU die block that producing more than 500W of heat, can survive on sudden jump of delta temp without crack / broken. Even the VRM MOSFET, what the hell they can provide very small and very accurate voltage, with massive current flow through it.

@Jeroensgambling

Жыл бұрын

Thats why the VRM comes with at least 20 phases..... It's such balanced and often over-engineerd. Different portions of the GPU use that voltage, so you have multiple points of voltage input and not just one.

On z790 if install m.2 ssd in certain slot it will cut half of your PCIE lanes from GPU.

I always wondered what a 1600W power supply was good for. My guess is you forced PCIe 4.0 on you 5.0 slot and it was still a no go. You may have to wait for a motherboard BIOS update or try a different one.

If you put a different card in the board does it go back to x16 mode???

How can I edit the bios parameters myself for flashing the own bios? (don't want use OEM Apps like Afterburner...). I have export my bios with GPUZ.

1000w of power that's insane

Had simelar issue with my 3080TI which suddenly went from X16 to X8. I noticed by accident couple of months after that there was a burned pin in the GPU socket connector. I think this was the issue that caused it to run @X8 maximum suddenly.

Are you going to be releasing any of your products on a platform that allows people from the UK to buy? Caseking doesnt allow shipping to the UK and that means i cannot buy the Ryzen 3000/5000 offset bracket.

Did you put an M.2 drive on the same bridge as the GPU? that will take half your lanes

Where can we get this XOC bios? I plan to watercool my strix with active backplate. Temps should not be an issue as I live in cold climate

I'm.. fairly certain that the nvdia bios(es) are encrypted, so i iguess someone cracked it in order to make a custom bios? O.o

Does it matter if the card is running at 8x 4.0? I could see why it would be an issue with 3.0 but 4.0 should be fine right? I could be missing something bur this is from what I know

Finally letting them eat awesome 4090TI probably hit 1000w o man so crazy

Love this videos, if I may give a personal opinion regarding the x8 issue, maybe just look at the following as I had a similar issue with my one card a while back. The basics like the MB bios settings was messed up once causing my x16 slot to operate as a x8 and something as simple as a nvme and/or sata device was somehow interfering with my display card also causing the x8 issue, what I did in the bios was to change it to x8 apply and reboot and then back to x16 apply and reboot and it was working again

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

Your post here has more info that his video where he flashes a bios & pets his cat.

@rollnrollnroll

Жыл бұрын

You changed what to X8 before applying and rebooting only to change back X16?

At that power limit I'd be looking into active cooling for the Nvidia stock adapter - knowing how Nvidia likes to save money on stuff like that I'd just be beyond paranoid of welding the plastic connector ends together after a few benchmarks lol.

Will you do a review of the GALAX 4090 HOF ? It realy intesret me with that dual 16pin

would love to see you bios flash a card like the pny 4090 to see how it handles an increased tdp. its locked at 450w stock

I am wondering that can this BIOS work with Inno3D Ichill Frosbite since it already has the water cooling ?

Is it no need any hardware mod?

is something like this possible with the zotac 4090 oc? not 1000w obviously but closer to the 600w spec, seems 490w is the limit currently

the gpu power cable must get toasty after some time? It is only a 600W cable as per design.