Thank you so much for the review!

I'm really liking the look of this keyboard! It reminds me of that MSX LGR reviewed years ago (it's the pencil holder). Although, $530 for everything is really steep. If I could get a prebuilt one for $340, then I might consider it. I will check out the Chosfox Artic Fox switches. They do sound really nice!

From what I remember reading, a lower spring weight will increase the feeling of tactility, but if you go too low it might have trouble going back over the clickbar on the way up. It sounds like they found just the right balance with these switches.

The deepened sound of the switches is cause of the polycarbonate plate and the PE foam under the switches, both of which lower the pitch of the downstroke

The one man left who refuses to clickbait in 2022

@Chyrosran22

Жыл бұрын

I fucking hate clickbait xD .

"It's heavy as _fuck-"_ Is it tho? **THUD.** OOP. YEP, IT IS

Box Pink are my daily switches - I'd love to hear a comparison between them and these Chosfox Artic Fox switches.

@iavyy

Жыл бұрын

imo box pink clickbar are super inconsistant with the sound, some are crispy and some muted

@1fareast14

Жыл бұрын

Arctic fox are better, my click bar ranking would have kailh summer, arctic fox, and the transparent jellyfish clicky in the top 3, then box white, white v2, box pink, then all the rest.

Box white v2 are like that as well. Longer springs apparently make a difference.

the newer kailh box switches have longer springs in my experience. Your assumption of higher tension from the springs may be correct.

Your uploads always make my day better!

I decided to go with the arctic fox switches for my keyboard that I now use after seeing them mentioned by a few people as their favorite mx style clickies. I don't have any other clickbar switches to compare them to but I'm very happy with my choice, I've been having a blast typing on this thing and I also really like the sound profile it ended up with.

@sir0herrbatka

Жыл бұрын

Is it MX style switch at this point anyway?

@empressoffrogs

Жыл бұрын

@@sir0herrbatka I guess they are significantly different in construction so I get what you mean. I mean more to distinguish from stuff like retro alps etc since most people would still consider those better probably.

@sir0herrbatka

Жыл бұрын

​@@empressoffrogs Nah. Clickbars are imho the kings of sharp but mild tactile feedback. If that's your thing (it is mine) i don't think you can find anything better in the whole Alps catalogue.

@empressoffrogs

Жыл бұрын

@@sir0herrbatka ah I see, I haven't really seen too much of the vintage keyboard world outside of this channel so I don't know too much about it. I do like the sharpness of these a lot.

@sir0herrbatka

Жыл бұрын

@@empressoffrogs I've used Alps for years purely because there was nothing to satisfy that clicky desire of mine. All steam went into the linear switches and I really don't care about the clickjackets at all. In summary? Alps sound great (and I guess that's why thomas loves them so much) but are not objectively better in other areas to modern switches. There is bunch of subjective criteria that can make you prefer one switch over another like weighting or travel and I happen to prefer kailh offering currently.

Very sick keyboard and great video man!

ordered some arctic foxes for my keyhcron Q6, can't wait for them to arrive!

that sound really good - maybe the best clickbar i have heard yet? also the red looks darker and less tacky than in the promo pics i have seen. noice!

@furnitureandbedding776

2 ай бұрын

I don’t like this clickbar switch but it could just be in the wrong build. Navy’s and jades are my favorite cllickbars

job: your keyboard is too loud me: i can make it louder job: what? next day: shows up with this keyboard with clicky switches, the beeper and the solenoid. job: ... go back to your old keyboard.

They changed the box pink switches at some point. The newer ones have a lighter return spring and a more vivid pink stem color, I've got a set of the newer switches, and a handful of some of the original ones, and definitely like the newer ones better. Although now that I know about them, I need to get a sample pack of the arctic fox switches.

This video makes me want to revisit clickbar switches. That might not work out as I was not much of a fan of the click on the up stroke but that was years ago.

thanks to this video i discovered the chosfox switches and i am really satisfied with them having replaced by box pinks. they are much easier to type on and sounds more satisfying!

@chosfox

Жыл бұрын

thank you for enjoying our switches

I just received and have used and frankenmodded a batch of Arctic Foxes for personal use. I can't remember how I *_first_* discovered them but it might have been this very video. Then I heard a whole bunch of demos and honestly couldn't tell if I loved or hated them. Every time I mentioned them to others I always specifically described them as sounding not good or bad but "crazy". IMHO though, as far as I am concerned while I wouldn't say they sound very much like the Alps, they're basically my favourite _(coincidental?)_ Clickiez clone. I have noticed that in many recordings the Clickiez, as well as many _"they just don't make them like they used to"_ vintage switches have a very prominent hollow tone. As far as I can tell via said recordings anyway. Now a month later, I still can't honestly say if I love or hate them; but I know I'd rather have them than anything else that I currently own on my keyboard, and I'm really glad I have them.

man this keyboard looks amazing

Love Chosfox Arctic Fox!! ❤

In the class80 v2 review, i hope you get a brass plate and get rid of the thin pcb sheet as well. You can actually use the mid plate foam as the case foam, which doesn't dampen the case as much as the actual case foam, but still ptovide some stiffness against the gasket mount

Those switches are EXTREMELY satisfying to listen to

Wow I never thought the modified clicky Kailh Box switches could sound like Alps switches this is nice keyboard

Have you thought about looking at more kaihl choc switches? I really like their shortened travel for typing, like Alps.

Hi Thomas, I just bought an E-Yooso K630 low profile mechanical kb from Amazon for £23, I only bought it to harvest the switches but I was really impressed with the overall quality for such a low price, perhaps have a look at these sort of realistically priced keyboards. Cheers - Pete

@duncanmurray6587

Жыл бұрын

a series on cheap keyboards would be great

@user-ln7cf1mr4q

Жыл бұрын

there would be no merit in cheap keyboards as nearly all of them are the same; cheap doubleshot abs keycaps, plastic case, and cheap red switches.

The solenoid sounds great!

Nice one Thomas!

I think the hotswap ISO option is actually not available to purchase, unlike your prototype. This is why I didn't get one.

I honestly wish more keyboard kits and custom keyboards had top bezels. Ever since I got a Dell AT101 I just love pencil shelves, especially because I use a drawing tablet. Thats why my SGI Granite is easily my most artsy keyboard I own.

Not sure I would use it at work but these switches sound really good. I hope that's still true on a cheaper keyboard.

Beautiful case design.

Since these switches click on the upstroke the typing demonstration with the solenoid sounded extra clicky. I'll be curious to see how the production version of Class80 will turn out.

@LegoTux

Жыл бұрын

If there is a combination of parts to make the keys much quieter then the solenoid would be more pronounced and serve a purpose.

@SageOwl

Жыл бұрын

@@LegoTux Silenced switches would do it if all you want are solenoid noises.

@gearsgamer7115

7 ай бұрын

​@@SageOwlbut silents are mushy defeating the point.

And just like that, I purchased the artic fox switches as well too. So far, my favorite are the clickiez, but god damn they're expensive. Prior, the box jades were my go to.

@chosfox

Жыл бұрын

Please share your feedback with us.

That solenoid sounds like a typewriter... ...and I now want one! XD

Bruh that droptest was no bullshit. And for that price point you'd probably can get an Ellipse Model F and still have enough change for a Unicomp Mini M on the side probably. 😅 The typing sound though... mmm yummy. I'm really tempted to ask you to do another typing demo of this but with the ZealPC Clickiez instead. Did you try them on this chasis beforehand or nah? 🤔

@Chyrosran22

Жыл бұрын

I thought about doing it but then I thought of the chosfix switches.

i have a feeling that the ergo keyboard with the box white switches is going to be the upcoming swear waning video

I'm guessing the secret sauce that they wouldn't disclose was that these switches are some flavour of combination of exiting Kailh switches. It's seems they may be close to Box Pinks with springs from box whites, I remember you doing this mod in your box pink review and really liking it. I really want to give these switches a go! They seem very promising!

@sir0herrbatka

8 ай бұрын

I have Box White V2 and those. I can hear a difference between those two but i can't feel a difference.

@ajburdett882

8 ай бұрын

@@sir0herrbatka Interesting, maybe the housing causes the difference in sound, or maybe the light bar present in the Chosfox switches. I ended up buying these for my recent build, I really like them, they feel and sound great, it's just a shame with them being so loud that I can't bring the board into the office! I'm gonna need to do a build with some quieter switches soon!

Every time I hear BOX clickbars, I can’t help but be reminded of Space Invaders. Great switches either way.

i wish this wider border/retro form factor was more widely available 😭

I have Speed Navy with 55g Slow V spring swap ready for it. Alsoooo will lubing the the solenoid make it sound deeper. 🤔

@7:25, wow, I did not see that kind of a sound coming 👌

@_BangDroid_

Жыл бұрын

total ASMR

Would there be a market for a kind of Soarers "in-between" cable, but instead of modernising the connection to the pc, it just houses a solenoid, and has usb-c in and outs?

Oh yeah, on the Wooting two HE I didn't care attempt to bother with those cable routing clips, they seemed so inflexible like they would immediately break off. My one complaint about that keyboard.

My Filco keyboard with Cherry MX blues feels quite well put together. It is not the new model f vell, but it is ok...

The click bar and solenoid kinda clash. Wonder how it is with linears, or even damped linears. Adding a click where there is none.

@mrsmith5089

Жыл бұрын

Yea that's a good idea. Up voting so that he sees

I think I figured out the "secret" of this switch's sound profile. The removable light-diffusing piece blocks a lot of high frequency energy from the clickbar.

Interesting Video. I'm new to this hobby and am a serious clicky lover. Do you find foams take away something from these custom kits you build yourself? Also I have these Chosfox switches and am just not impressed. I would take Zeal Clickiez or Jades/Navys over these any day.

I wonder how these compare to BOX V2 White. They appear to have a long spring in common.

I am a huge fan of TLK. This is quite interesting.

I hear that kailh box switches are prone to damaging keycap stems either cracking them or making them loose. Even the supposed retooled switches still damage caps. Have any of you guys experienced such things? I've always wanted to try these clickbar switches but dont want to risk damaging my caps.

@duncanmurray6587

Жыл бұрын

have a look at Thomas's box navy reviews, he addresses this. I think it's been fixed a while ago but don't take my word.

What are Chosfox switches? They are named Kailh thus I assume they are just rebranded? Or are they somehow modified?

I wonder if this keyboard uses the same PCB as the NCR-80, the layout seems to be pretty close

Have you tried the new V2 box whites?

A Cherry MX switch with blue Alps sound? Nice!

@gearsgamer7115

7 ай бұрын

Yeah the little suckers ain't that bad

So this or the new model F?

First modern keyboard that I can at least have heard some of differences.

I wish it was Chyrosfox instead of Chosfox.

Looks retro nice and sound great w/o the solenoid. That price though...

ISO with small left shift OH MY GOOOOOOODD!!

It seems rather redundant to have an extra angle bracket key, unless of course it can be reassigned to something else.

Does this have the"float" you mentioned with the box pinks?

@Chyrosran22

Жыл бұрын

No, they don't! Good point, actually!

Good keyboard sounds

May be, this keyboard will sound better with ZealPC Clickiez?

what do you think which sounds better razer optomechanical or click bar switches?

@incongruous4

Жыл бұрын

Very much an apples to oranges situation but anything razer, even optomechanical is trash tier compared to the keyboards and switches featured on this channel or others who build custom keyboards.

wow that looks really nice. Just started watching the video, I hope it has an USB hub

10:08 - click heaven!

@chyrosran22 Nice video! Can you also ask Asus to send you some keyboards with their ROG RX optical switches? They seem to be pretty smooth optical switches with a scissor stabilizer built into the switch. It'd be fantastic if they sent you both linear and clicky versions for review

@Chyrosran22

Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting idea, I'll drop them a line :) .

That keyboard may be perfect for a "clicky" build if you just YEET all the included the dampeners, and just use ZealPC Clickiez.

Sheesh 5 bills for this? Like it's cool looking and all, but holy crap that is WAY too much money for what is essentially another aluminum keyboard, albeit it is a proper shaped case. Did you try out the Clickiez in this? I'm curious how they would sound in it if you took out all the dampening.

It is a lovely keyboard, but cheaping out on cables is a weird choice.

Thank God this gorgeous piece of hardware doesn't have super keys, so I won't lose sleep over it :)

I instantly loved it for the lack of Winkeys and the proper size Ctrl's and Alt's.

@johnbuscher

Жыл бұрын

But why do you want fewer keys?

@Xoferif

Жыл бұрын

@@johnbuscher If you're a programmer you're constantly using Ctrl and Alt, the Windows key seldomly, and I don't think I've ever used the context menu key. The larger modifier keys with the gap between them makes using them more accurate and comfortable when touch-typing.

@Chyrosran22

Жыл бұрын

@@johnbuscher windows keys are IMO anti-useful and make the use of genuinely practical keys more difficult.

@_BangDroid_

Жыл бұрын

@@Chyrosran22 I prefer to use my mouse and click on Start then move my hand over the keyboard and start typing to search as well.

@bltzcstrnx

9 ай бұрын

@@XoferifI'm a programmer and I use Windows key all the time. Most of the time it's Win to open start to search, then enter to quickly open programs. Often times it's for Win + E, Win + Shift + S, Win + D, Win + R, Win + arrow, etc for quick operations. So, it's definitely a must have for me along with arrow cluster.

the switches are very nice

Gorgeous keyboard. If they come out with a plastic version I'd be interested. I can't stand the idea of weighted keyboards though. Intrigued by the Artic Fox switches. The dominance of 60% boards, weighted frames, and endless varieties of linear switches in keyboard reviews has distanced me from the hobby.

I didn't know added beepers and solenoids just for aesthetics was a thing. Why? The clack from the switch and the secondary tick from the solenoid would completely throw me off and it did when you were typing. How strange. It also didn't remind me of typing on anything in my past, including an IBM selectric.

They probably bend the clickbar upwards

I think the play is to go with a silent switch, maybe linear, and turn on the buzzer/solenoid whenever you want some noise

@lym3204

Жыл бұрын

You can turn on clicky sounds under windows with your current keyboard if you always use headphones or speakers. I think the sound delay with the solenoid would bother me. I read that some people would turn the solenoid off decades ago because it was slowing their typing down.

@gearsgamer7115

7 ай бұрын

Ehh dampening a linearakes it mushy

The solenoid makes it sound like fake keyboard audio was dubbed over the typing footage.

Yeah. i'm going to buy this. When hell freezes over or i win the lottery. Whatever comes first 😛

>used to cherry keyboard build quality I can guarantee you most people in the hobby have no idea what that actually feels like, the cheapest boards you can get are all generally floating switch designs w/ the mounting plate acting as the top case for the board. For most people buying modern production boards not aimed at an enthusiast a PCB mount plateless board is a novel experience. Would have been a very nice board if it had a numpad instead of the nav cluster IMO

Surprised you went with the Arctic fox instead of the Clickiez to make bastardized modern take on an Alps board haha

Very cool board, although not for me. I like the layout, the quality and the sound, but it's too heavy and big. Great video, tho! And the switches are dope!

that one hell of JUGGERNAUT keyboard

It looks pretty neat, but I can also see why some of the design choices are dubious at best.

I actually do love the squishy plates for linear switches. Steel is a bit much for hard typing. Dampened switches also solve the problem even against absolute raging gamer mashing.

Good video! Just to point out, the PE sheet is not made to dampen the switches, but rather to push the frequencies to the mids, creating a somewhat "creamy" sound in not clicky switches

@_ExTitus

Жыл бұрын

it alters the sound profile via dampening

@thocctober

Жыл бұрын

cope

@ChubiPanda

Жыл бұрын

It also makes the keyboard louder.

@nickthaskater

Жыл бұрын

It makes the sound more "marbly" typically.

@thegreenlion1723

Жыл бұрын

@@ChubiPanda no it does not lmao

I was looking forward to hearing you type with that solenoid. I was disappointed, it sounds cheapy lol

You told us it was 3.7 kg, but no conversion to imperial units. How will I ever know now. :(

@_BangDroid_

Жыл бұрын

596,774,194 Republican tears (thereabouts) Given the average tear volume is 6.2 microliters, and using the density of water

Woah. This quality keyboard in Famicom Red looks classy enough to reside in Emperor Palpatine's office.

ISO nice!❤

It looks like a hybrid of Commodore 64 and Model M Spacesaver keyboard.

Solenoid on.

90% of modern enthusiasts probably never even touched a g80 in their lives, pc and fr4 plates just offer a different typing experience

Click bar + solenoid = yo dawg I heard you like clicks

I miss foul mouth Chyrosran

@wargamingrefugee9065

Жыл бұрын

If you've been a good little KZreadr, then maybe he'll leave some F-bombs for you under the tree this Christmas.

Click bar, solenoid AND a buzzer!? The most anti social keyboard ever?

Note that making the keyboard "floppier" shortens the lifespan of the PCB. I really "like" repairing cracked PCBs.

i wish these folks would just sell their keyboards on Amazon and do away with all the GB junk. It takes forever and you're always wondering if your money is gone.

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