I find it interesting how they literally have the same discussion every day yet I’m still tuned in

@williamadams2240

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing else to do lol

@dremclenan5458

4 жыл бұрын

Facts lol 😂

@Stealingthashow

4 жыл бұрын

robert lewis literally just said the same thing to myself

@Se0420_

4 жыл бұрын

robert lewis they been having this same conversation about the same person since 1984... He is basketball

@MrMuaythai84

4 жыл бұрын

robert lewis cause it’s mj duh

I thought my phone speaker was messed up.

@worldtree2027

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was 2sec away from emailing Apple Support 😂

@eatincrabmeats

4 жыл бұрын

lakobe ball lol

@WinterSupernova39

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@ExclusiveBuilds2k

4 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@daetriangrier8568

4 жыл бұрын

Thought my headphones had water in it 😂

MJ has been retired for many years already, yet his impact even in todays nba superstars era is very huge.

@nbastalgiacritic1751

4 жыл бұрын

Vanguard Atom seems kinda cult like

@dongamiao3941

3 жыл бұрын

Coz he is the GOAT

@JohnDoe-sl6di

2 жыл бұрын

Marketing ploy. Nba fixed games for Jordan

@altrock2568

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-sl6di Utah Jazz fan i see or sumthing? 😆

I’m so glad these youngsters are finally getting to see just how cold MJ was! Trust me... the man was and is without equal.

@jasondyrkacz8270

4 жыл бұрын

Kobe was the closest we would get.

@chrismichael9765

4 жыл бұрын

Lebron is better

@regulardadhere8832

4 жыл бұрын

There’s Jordan then there’s everybody else. The real question should be who’s the second best player?

@MrBlueBot5

4 жыл бұрын

No Doubt

@wisechoice8

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrismichael9765 Yes, Bron better in bricking clutch freethrows and missing wide open - game winning layups

Jordan in the 87-88 season won the: scoring title: MVP: DPOY...just let that sink in.

@steveyoung4584

4 жыл бұрын

SoliGloria1 ... great season. Went to a couple games that year. How did the Bulls do that year?

@MT-eo5vy

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Alamo 6-0 in the finals never went to game seven. Oh he’s also the GOAT. Stop smoking

@steveyoung4584

4 жыл бұрын

Knicks16 ..so did 6-0 MJ win the title in 87-88? You probably a young buck used to watching ESPN highlights. Mike wasn’t 6-0. Mike and Scottie were 6-0.

@bubbspelch1134

4 жыл бұрын

@@steveyoung4584 who cares about no title in 87. Lemme.guess lechoke fan?

@paulneil9649

4 жыл бұрын

The question is did he make the players around him better? Look at a rookie Larry Bird when his team improved from 29 wins to 61? Parish, McHale and DJ were not on that team either. You can also look at Magic that vastly improved a Lakers team with Kareem already in it and lead them in game 7 in the finals when Kareem went down.

How do they talk about this literally every day

@kushtailor9694

4 жыл бұрын

All I’m saying is whenever Lebron is talked about on this show people always comment “aNoTHeR LeBROn DiScusSiON WOW” and now Jordan is everything I don’t see those comments about mj just an observation

@abovenbeyondlimits81

4 жыл бұрын

Garrett Smith lolzzzz

@SomeGoodBroth

4 жыл бұрын

Nba is an interesting topic

@xivjm1778

4 жыл бұрын

Extra User your prolly referring to one comment and then actin like everybody saying that. I mean to be fair Lebron is talked about ALL the time definitely more than Jordan so it would make sense that people get tired of hearing the same thing

@kgeenicho8512

4 жыл бұрын

MJ is a person, product, and way of life for many.

he averaged 37 when they had hand checked so he so probably averaged somewhere in the 40s easily

@MDA00xx

3 жыл бұрын

sorry for asking but what's hand checked?

@AmosdeeAmosdeesherman

3 жыл бұрын

@@MDA00xx when I could actually touch the defender and check they are without the ref calling cupcake fouls

@MDA00xx

3 жыл бұрын

Amos: dee Amos:deesherman1600 i see in other words, its the way bad boys pistons defend then

@joesmptebaguajoe6445

3 жыл бұрын

@@MDA00xx back in the 90s the defender was allowed to have 1 hand on the offensive player's hip

@MDA00xx

3 жыл бұрын

JoeSmpte Bagua Joe so basically you can just shove your opponent as long as you use it with one hand?

Wilt : "in the 80s they hand checked with one hand , in the 60s they hand checked with 2 hands , there was no 3 point line , they put 5 guys around me and i still avg 50 on them"

@TerribleTake

4 жыл бұрын

1thug aka Hollywood Coke!! So did every era compared to today half the players from the 90’s couldn’t make the nba today

@FrioticOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

1thug aka Hollywood Coke!! What matters is how good you were in the era, simple as that

@jeyroc420gucciman3

4 жыл бұрын

PM-RS-NBA Life agree, but Jordan era of players were closer to today’s player then Wilt’s. Plus Jordan’s era they were still able to mug you with out it being call. So that’s why most people still have Jordan over LeBron.

@josephjohnroe3678

4 жыл бұрын

@1thug aka Hollywood Coke!! Do you have to go out of your way to type thay way to sound so ignorant?

@ziginaigra

4 жыл бұрын

@@TerribleTake sure that why mj would avg 40+ easy in todays nba,+10pts only on free throws ,and if u pick anybody from todays game in your best starting 5 u must be crazy or very young

The reason MJ's career is also so interesting is like watching a young painter improve. Towards the last part of his career, you can really see the master strokes. His career went full circle.

@limitlessmaestro2110

4 жыл бұрын

@Pat4Clippers That's a great analogy. You just saw constant improvement and MJ continue to add moves. The way his jumpshot evolved. I think Max a good point, you can't pluck guys in their prime and put hem in eras, to really know how good they would be, let them grow up in that era. MJ would feast because he would know how to train and use his athleticism to his advantage.

@Johenz

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr. Perfect how you know he wouldn't?

@SJO897

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr. Perfect well, he had a good gm and a good coach, no need to leave.

@dudedude7650

4 жыл бұрын

Purpose Driven Life Sports & Gaming I mean you’ve seen the same constant improvement in LeBron’s game as well. It’s something the greats can do throughout their career

@goonerland8195

4 жыл бұрын

His trajectory is so similar to one Leonel Messi...cowboys in their earlier years and assassins in the latter ones... it was coming out all guns blazing...then latter part conserving energy ang just snipping... Very similar, I think

No one: Stephen A mic: Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

@TheEmperorXavier

4 жыл бұрын

at first i thought it was my headset..dam

@blainekpxto4175

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@coopericus

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheEmperorXavier Me, too! 😂

@deeblzn_one9787

4 жыл бұрын

I'm 💀💀💀

@dustinr1146

4 жыл бұрын

Webex.... Zoom..... brrrrrrrrredrrdrrrrrddrrrr.....

Just think what Wilt would do to modern day “Centers”

@davidcovington1046

4 жыл бұрын

Wilt would have average 50 easy!!

@jasondyrkacz8270

4 жыл бұрын

Olajuwon would have a field day too.

@gpropho

4 жыл бұрын

Would’ve been a problem Wilt was a freakish Athlete the top centers like Embiid & Jokic wouldve fouled out against him

@STYLZINC

4 жыл бұрын

Wilt played against a bunch of un athletic centers who couldn’t jump, dunk or block, that’s why he flourished

@Boo-hb7qj

4 жыл бұрын

So the centers today could shoot the ball from three dribble not to mention drive and have the athletic ability that those centers didn’t even possess so don’t say wilt would not have a hard time guarding them as well because he just operated down low these centers can score from anywhere not just in the paint last time I checked he didn’t have to guard guys out on the perimeter

20+ years later and this guy is still the topic of nba basketball. 20 years later. He’ll still be the topic

@ericjordan6059

3 жыл бұрын

If you weren't, you had to be there to see it. It was ridiculous how good he was.

Just the simple though of Harden trying to survive the Bad Boy Pistons is absolutely hilarious to me 😭

@BmooJ27

4 жыл бұрын

OMFG U MADE MY DAY😭😭🤣😂

@jc.timeforachange.3155

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣👍

@javian3882

4 жыл бұрын

😭😭😭

@daviddigregorio5840

4 жыл бұрын

Harden is not a champion

@georgepoly4842

4 жыл бұрын

I mean he’d abuse them at the 3 point line he could drop 40 without ever coming near the basket

Michael Jordan was an athletic freak in his younger days, then became a mid-range sniper in his later years. 82% from mid range in Washington! 😳🐐 Why is it Jay Williams acting like MJ wasn’t capable of doing that ?

@dudedude7650

4 жыл бұрын

Doingitforkobe8&24 Younking24 because he wouldn’t dude

@rico7180

4 жыл бұрын

Doingitforkobe Jordans brother Larry was like 5'9" and had over 40" vert in highschool. So they have amazing genetics in that family blood. Jordan is def a unicorn tho you never see anybody with the speed athleticism, will power, drive, talent, overall skill all combined into one man. Well never see it again either.

@jasperjayme3012

4 жыл бұрын

This guy JayW mybe don't see MJ play😂😂😂

@Zuri_SM

4 жыл бұрын

you are just wrong. MJ was 82% FROM THE FREE THROW LINE. the best 2 point percentage he shot in his career was 55.1% and that definitely wasn't during the washington years lol. MJ would probably be as good offensively as KD is. maybe he could score close to 40 points per game if his team is bad and he gets most of the shots. i don't see him shooting 16 free throws a game. unless he becomes a certified flopper like harden, he isn't getting that many calls. and as much as mj fans make fun of todays era, i bet they'd agree that mj wouldn't flop for his calls.

@lobsangtshering91

4 жыл бұрын

Jay is a douchebag that's why. He irrelevant.

The bad boy’s pistons made Jordan be the player he became

@SN2903

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@jeffboy13

3 жыл бұрын

They would have made Queen James quit. Rodman Salley and Laimbeer would make that 🤡 cry

@eltacokingpin6418

3 жыл бұрын

Jeff Boyles lmao we going make heat look like trash Lakers nation baby keep hating on the king 👑 James you will Bow down to him after game 5

@jeffboy13

3 жыл бұрын

@@eltacokingpin6418 I hope so. Jimmy Butler is all they have.

@miguelrivera7294

3 жыл бұрын

Coincidentally, the Detroit Pistons with Chauncy Billups, Richard Hamilton, Tayshawn Prince, and Rasheed Wallace also made Lebron the player he became.

The amount of impact MJ have on the game is just legendary

@fizzle2323

Жыл бұрын

Iconic , not legendary but he is talked about as if he is a myth

You cant' guard MJ even with hand check. Today's game?..

@kushtailor9694

4 жыл бұрын

Watch this video by Jxmyhighroller called “we were all lied to.....” It talks about how the old days being better might be a lie

@sams2021_3

4 жыл бұрын

@@kushtailor9694 watch this video 90s defense by bruceblitz. Your point?

@rabselyoehnam6460

4 жыл бұрын

Mr Sock the first video was much better researched. Let’s stop lying about the superiority of defense back in the day, it’s all emotion and nostalgia. Defense back then was great because of the physicality, defense today is great because of advanced zone concepts and longer/quicker/faster defenders. If you allowed a guy like LeBron to play against smaller/slower defenders who couldn’t zone against him at all, he would drop 50. If you double/triple teamed him with those same defenders, he would find the open man and put up triple doubles every night.

@ThePadai

4 жыл бұрын

@@rabselyoehnam6460 73% NBA players vote MJ the GOAT. I would take their opinion over your everyday. Even the best offensive player in NBA right now (KD) says MJ would still be the best in this era.

@MrBroski619

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePadai Obviously, they're gonna say MJ is the goat. That's common sense, if anyone says otherwise they're gonna be attacked for it

Jordan playing in this era is like Thanos coming to earth through portal with six infinity stones. He will be inevitable.

@mikeal-lateef_5138

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@matthewcrane5294

3 жыл бұрын

Overrated lol

@Boo-hb7qj

3 жыл бұрын

BS KD Harden and Bron would sauce him up just like he would them it goes both ways

@mellykruger9495

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much word for word. Its inevitable.

@rajdman7897

3 жыл бұрын

@@Boo-hb7qj nah. Stop comparing Diamond from silver.

Michael jordan could average like 40 pts in todays NBA

@blue_diamonds6329

3 жыл бұрын

More!!

all of hardens flops would have been real back then.

@Tom_bradys_unretirement

4 жыл бұрын

He would've retired after the 1st one

@mychellebrown7775

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 💯% true

@Eb-sq3jd

4 жыл бұрын

In The Fridge y'all hate on harden way too much🤦🏽‍♂️

@heygeorgie3392

4 жыл бұрын

Harden flops but not as much as other players y’all just hate him for no reason 🤦‍♂️

@wisechoice8

4 жыл бұрын

@@heygeorgie3392 This is real talk, not hating. That is, if you set aside your bias.

MJ's father said the best thing you can do to MJ is tell him something he CAN'T do. That's all the motivation MJ needs. Like when folks said scorers don't win rings or he was washed in 1995. 😂

@tharealest8190

4 жыл бұрын

People told him he couldn't get Washington to the playoffs .... and he DIDNT

@tharealest8190

4 жыл бұрын

People told Jordan he couldn't win a championship being a 1 man team that takes all the shots ..... and he DIDNT

@tharealest8190

4 жыл бұрын

People told Jordan becoming a major league baseball player was a pipe dream and he couldnt do it ..... and he DIDNT

@wondervirus6213

4 жыл бұрын

Tha Realest who pissed in your cereal

@bamlakbekele6494

4 жыл бұрын

This dude watched last dance and now thinks he's an expert on that era of basketball

MJ Thank you for all those great memories. Absolute Genius & couldn’t be stopped.

Jordan's offense was fearless and was the assassin of shots 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥

MJ's last 36 seconds of the 1998 Finals Game 6 was basically 3 legendary plays in 1. He had to make that layup. What if he missed? Then his defensive tendencies showed. The Steal which led to The Shot.

@SirCharles824

4 жыл бұрын

That steal was called out by Phil Jackson he said Utah's bringing the ball to Malone in the low post. He already knew what they were going to do. Then the rest was history.

@ericjordan6059

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirCharles824 ... No, the steal wasn't called out by Phil lol. You had to watch either Stockton or Malone. Malone got the ball and Jordan didn't clear.

ESPN is definitely making sure Michael Jordan get his Flowers while living🤣🤣

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

4 жыл бұрын

Or they’re trying to generate more ratings by having these meaningless debates bc of the last dance...

@thekoolbreezeeffect

4 жыл бұрын

After the passing of Kobe...they better

@schneiderhughes5051

4 жыл бұрын

Finally... LeBron being getting bouquets for years

@dbreiden83080

4 жыл бұрын

He is not looking to be in particularly great health..

@unitedstates4756

4 жыл бұрын

eazyduzit5150 they keeping basketball relevant by using Jordan otherwise bball would be an afterthought right now

Jordan averaged 37 ppg in only his second full season playing all 82 games, He would definitely average 50 ppg in todays nba

@ek274

3 жыл бұрын

and that was with maybe one 3 point attempt a game, all 2's. thats just straight dominance. kids dont realize how many times he scored a bucket in a game

@kidpoker9408

3 жыл бұрын

dream on dude he did it for one season and he took 30 fga a game to do so, lebron scores 40 on 20 field goal attempts

@kidpoker9408

3 жыл бұрын

@TheRealist811 hes a more efficient scorer

@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236

3 жыл бұрын

@Real Estate Investing Laimbeer, Mahorn, Ewing and other bigs have joined the chat + Rodman

@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236

3 жыл бұрын

@@kidpoker9408 No, he just gets to the paint more easily, because of no players like Laimbeer to threaten to cause a career ending injury to him. He is considerably worse than MJ when he shoots from outside of the paint. And not as graceful as MJ when finishing in the paint.

At his prime with the new rules, 40-42 pts average for MJ

@antmck99

3 жыл бұрын

Without a 3 point shot

@Mindyourbusiness122

3 жыл бұрын

Naw if kobe couldn't score 40 a season no one can not even jordan

@nh_flex8922

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mindyourbusiness122 MJ a better scorer than Kobe he had a higher averaged season and you acting like MJ didn’t average 37

@m74d3

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mindyourbusiness122 Jordan was a better scorer than Kobe. The greatest scorer in NBA history, and the evidence is overwhelming

@Nick-ru5ex

3 жыл бұрын

@@m74d3 his career high is only 69 tho. And it took him overtime to get it.

Lebron would trade the whole team for him

@worldtree2027

4 жыл бұрын

And then KD would join them.

@Mysterioatokatokat

4 жыл бұрын

Shasanka Madduri or he would call charles barkely and payton to go with him and beat mj

@williebender1895

4 жыл бұрын

Facts

@p.f.912

4 жыл бұрын

Since 2010, Lebron made 42 trades....42!!!!!!!....in Miami, Cleveland, and LA

@Mysterioatokatokat

4 жыл бұрын

P. F. won thats a lot.

Jordan would have murdered today’s league with 2point Jumpers 💯

@williebender1895

4 жыл бұрын

SouthPaw773 I think so too but I don’t think he’d be 6-0 due to player movement. Your thoughts?

@sharonhagai3425

4 жыл бұрын

Like Demar Derozan does?

@southpaw7738

4 жыл бұрын

Half man half amazing derozan jumper is TRASH compared to MJs smh

@BabyBron14

4 жыл бұрын

nabil chowdhury that’s a good point. But MJ only shot better from the when it was push forwards. Your thoguhts

@noitsnot239

4 жыл бұрын

@@sharonhagai3425 derozan has never went 6/6 from thre or 9/12 dont compare

Jordan was playing a different game in a different era.

@washburn11000

4 жыл бұрын

Ya in a much tougher era

@el34glo59

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah tougher era. Same game by the way

@wtfyoutube4873

3 жыл бұрын

@@washburn11000 no lol. NBA teams are getting 100+ points a game most of the time. Compare that to Jordan’s era in which they scored like 80 points. Better offense > Better defense.

I am 10000% sure if MJ ever played in this era, he would've improved his 3pt% IMMENSELY. People seem to forget shooting is also part of his overall greatness.

@jimmyb4361

3 жыл бұрын

@TheRealist811 fr

@jimmyb4361

3 жыл бұрын

@TheRealist811 maybe jimmy

@jimmyb4361

3 жыл бұрын

Mj wasn’t a 3pt shooter simple as that he didn’t have no range he wasn’t the best shooter.

@meldondickensii3784

3 жыл бұрын

He'd also have to work a lot harder defensively and face way tougher guard competition, way better athletes, and probably not be able to retain the same core team as long as he did in his championship runs.

@meganlowery9149

3 жыл бұрын

@@meldondickensii3784 people forget that a 6’6 sg was unheard of in the 80s when he came out. Now it’s a norm.

I didnt know MJ was in fact Kano from mortal kombat, ripping guys heart everywhere, jesus

@666ofdoom

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@el34glo59

4 жыл бұрын

He is

@jimmieparker8093

3 жыл бұрын

I was the one who gave u the thumb down...😏

@presidentialkingdom2201

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmieparker8093 you literally can't see dislikes on comments...

Mind blown when Steven A said “MJ averaged only 8.2 free throws a game”.

@dudedude7650

4 жыл бұрын

Idris M LeBron averages 8 for his career. Not really that shocking. SAS thinking MJ would get 16 FTAs a game is pretty absurd though because that definitely wouldn’t happen

@supremeleem9488

4 жыл бұрын

Dude Dude The difference between Lebron for most of his career compared to Jordan is Lebron doesnt like to drive in late in a close game since he isn’t a good free throw shooter. Jordan would be relentless and continue driving in if he sees a lane

@Chad-xq4op

4 жыл бұрын

@@supremeleem9488 your one of skips followers I see

@yusuf8938

4 жыл бұрын

@Claren Dennis Yeah but he still drives a lot lol. He just doesnt get calls. We all know this. He's massive and refs dont call fouls on. him unless he flops hard af lol

@baudchaser

4 жыл бұрын

@@yusuf8938 what does how much he goes to the lime have to do with his % while he is there?

Michael Jordan is just something else. You have Kobe, Lebron and all these great players but MJ just is different player.

@ericjordan6059

3 жыл бұрын

As Kevin McHale once stated, "Kobe Bryant has IT, but Michael Jordan had IT times 10!"

Stephen A nailed it.. I really love this show.. all u guys present your arguments with great explanations... especially Stephen A!!!

MJ would have destroyed this soft era with no defense easily 💯

@Marding

4 жыл бұрын

Yiazmat83 anyone that’s ever played basketball knows if you start hand checking just means you not good enough to move your feet. Don’t know why old heads talk about it like it’s a good thing. Just watch a game from then, it looks like college. Full court press steph klay and KD warriors and see what happens smh

@meloantbony2419

4 жыл бұрын

Lbj would destroy everybody easily in 80 and 90s.

@Onslaught0830

4 жыл бұрын

@Sheik Nwanguma only some does lmao, soft era lmao look at the scores in the end... This D is a joke

@Onslaught0830

4 жыл бұрын

@@Marding nobody said anything bout hand checking, that was a normal thing back then doesn't means players couldn't move their feet fast enough after your claim. Iam sure that any player could adjust to the so called " faster, stronger more athletic era" lol Warriors defense not bad but durant is weak and gets hurt fast lol You ever watched European league?! Giannis avg there was 10ppg because they actually play D there Look at his avg in the NBA lol even Luka said its easier to score in the NBA than in Europe

@meloantbony2419

4 жыл бұрын

Defense in 80s 90s are overrated. People make it as a leeway to belittle the greatness of some plyers today

Quality audio from a billion dollar company. Fantastic work, keep it up ESPN!

it's amazing how all of them agree on this.

GOAT Michael Jordan. NO DOUBT.

The static in the back is how dead this topic is

Of course he would, he had to face clotheslines, chokeslams, Spears, Kung Fu elbow/kicks... Now a blow In the ear is a foul..

@brendonsheffield6372

4 жыл бұрын

A blow to the ear should be a foul dummy

@javianjohnson8746

4 жыл бұрын

Brendon Severado no he’s talking about blowing breath into someone’s ear is a foul

@dcalzini

4 жыл бұрын

50/gm....80s mike...yuppp

@georgepoly4842

4 жыл бұрын

Jean-Patrice Paluku they just love to glorify “the glory days” trust me, 20 years from now the next generation of media will do the same with LeBron and how soft the nba is in their era lol

@blkthedonxexodus9383

4 жыл бұрын

I love to see MJ against this generation talent they can do the things he did in the old Era KD LEBRON DWADE KOBE LEONARD GREAK FREAK ID LOVE TO SEE MJ PLAY AGAINST KD LEAD WARRIORS AND TIMMY D SPURS MANU PARKER LEONARD 4 😎😎😎

Can you imagine with the mentality and work ethic that Jordan had, and if he were to be compared to Bron, imagine how fired up he would be? That would take him into another level of omnipotence. He would feel offended thus proving to the world he is the best there ever is, end of discussion.

@jimmyb4361

3 жыл бұрын

Mj isn’t god that’s what y’all forget to realize. You guys act like he never had a bad game he never got tired he never etc.

@bphilbac

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron too big, too strong, too fast, too athletic. You can’t compare the two.

@getamped299

3 жыл бұрын

yeahhh the gambling.. and the punching of the teammate.. but you'll gonna say.. that he is competetive.. did he dominate the era where the greatest shooter? or the best scorer? or perhaps the most triple doubles/ or centers that can shoot at three.. the problem with you Jordan cult is you lways says the killer instict the mentality, the work ethic.. but how do you measure that? base on nostalgia?

@Tboy439

2 жыл бұрын

@@bphilbac ...You may be right on the big and strong part, which is the only thing that even keeps bron in the conversation of goat. But fast and athletic clearly goes to MJ....by a long shot.

@Mmoselle1983

2 жыл бұрын

@@bphilbac hahahaha. He would’ve annihilated Bron from every angle.

I agree totally. Mike would have kept the league from transitioning into a three point era. His knack for dunking and driving to the hole was a dominant part of his game

@AnHebrewChild

2 жыл бұрын

THIS is the correct answer.

Finally, an ESPN video today where Jay Williams didn't annoy me.

@theophilus3793

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I was getting ready for the hate. Look at his face at the start of the segment. His take was surprisingly balanced.

@iig2310

4 жыл бұрын

its cause Jay knows he can't change/create the narrative anymore with The Last Dance airing ever Sunday night showing what real basketball was like to the millennials.

@SJO897

4 жыл бұрын

@@iig2310 so the nba today is fake and nba back then was real? thanks man, now i get it!

@atzflores9807

4 жыл бұрын

Jay Williams is annoying.

MJ got cut from his high school varsity team. The shot in 82. The 63 in 86. The shot in 89. The Bad Boys. His father's murder. Baseball. The Flu Game. The shot in 98. His career is so storybook.

@acucarkid

4 жыл бұрын

@ Pat4Clippers I agree. For these youngsters that don't know how good the game of basketball was back then. The GOAT didn't make the team. You had to bring a little bit more than HYPE to the court. Currently, you have freshmen in high school being projected in the draft. Before, a freshman would be concerned with just making the freshman team. Lebron owes his career to David Stern. In a panic trying to replace the GOAT, he compromised the integrity of the NBA. Those changes allowed kids to come in and play what was considered to be a man's game(No Babies Allowed). If they struggled at certain aspects of the game, he would implement another rule to help them along. Consequently, we are here today debating a point that shouldn't ever be debated. LJ is and will never be on the level of a MJ. Moreover, he could never have played in the old NBA with his current skill set.

@SJO897

4 жыл бұрын

@@acucarkid Zach Levine would FEAST in the 80s

@devinflorence1895

4 жыл бұрын

Pao D so y do u think tht mj could play in today’s league with his skill set if ur gonna say he would adapt then lebron would adapt too mj shot a whole bunch of mid range jumpers thas like demar derozan and Westbrook mj would b better at it but u just can’t say one thing for mj an not use the same logic for lebron

@SJO897

4 жыл бұрын

Devin Florence they didn’t call charges back then either, imagine trying to stop someone like LeBron

@rorrisrorris8026

4 жыл бұрын

Devin Florence we don’t know how lebron would do in that era because he basically came in a soft league as a rookie. However, we have seen jordan play against physical defense and we know for a fact that he would murder in today’s nba.

Jay needs to chill with these faces fr. Lookin like Hector from Breaking Bad

@nostalgiacorner1999

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣👍

In the 1995-96 season, Jordan shot 42.7% from 3 pt range (his best). In the 2011-12 season Steph Curry shot 45.5% from 3 pt range (his best). In Steph's best season he only made 2.8 more 3 pointers than Jordan out of every 100 taken. If Jordan played in today's era where hand checking not allowed, he would avg 43-45 points per game. Side note, in James Harden's best 3 pt season (as a starter), he only shot 37.5%.

Sounds like a Microphone after Rudy Gobert touched it 😜 ☢️

@makedredd299

4 жыл бұрын

🥴🦠☣️

@kgeenicho8512

4 жыл бұрын

Cellphone by a speaker. easy fix.

@tubenachos

4 жыл бұрын

Too soon 😆

@momar4843

4 жыл бұрын

Hey oh

@brooklynbogart1546

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

How many times y’all gon have this debate 😂😂😂

@Terror832

4 жыл бұрын

They gotta keep bringing up hypotheticals Next topic: who would take a dump faster? Jordan or LeBron?

@larrymays4244

4 жыл бұрын

Who’s got the biggest wang?

@joabjohnstone5217

4 жыл бұрын

And also lie about it max making out MJ showed signs of greatness from the 3pt line but wait the seasons he referenced the line was moved in

Stephen A: He *literally* wanted to snatch your heart out of your chest.

40-50 points!? Nah cmon now Jordan in today’s game would’ve been the same as Kobe.

@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7

4 жыл бұрын

Celss C only he was significantly more athletic and had MUCH bigger hands etc.

@grandgang4527

4 жыл бұрын

He averaged 37ppg in the 80’s so yeah this pretty accurate

@Jojo-md1bp

4 жыл бұрын

Dawg u clearly don’t know what you’re talking about

@cyber6sapien

3 жыл бұрын

Kobe averaged 35 ppg and Kobe was never as good as Jordan. You want to know how great MJ was, don't compare their numbers in the regular season. Compare their numbers in the postseason when the pressure is at its highest and defenses are at their tightest. Then consider the fact that Jordan never played with a player like Shaq who could command a double team. Jordan was always the main focus of the opposing team's defense every single time he stepped out on the floor! And he still dropped buckets. As Jay Williams stated, a 40 ppg estimate is being conservative.

@cclemente718

3 жыл бұрын

40 at most for the old heads lol they swear if they’d played now they’ll be better 🤦🏽‍♂️🤣

With today’s rules he definitely averaging about 40-45 points a game

@jackfarris3670

4 жыл бұрын

Ignorance

@iknowyourerightbut9392

4 жыл бұрын

Myco Lorgeat CAP

@magicrganix4407

4 жыл бұрын

Dude he would be averaging 50 np maybe even more in the playoffs

@GOAT71

4 жыл бұрын

Just asking, 50 ppg is alot how many years he would have sustained that

@Dingoplexor

4 жыл бұрын

Myco Lorgeat he would get 20 from the line every game

Michael Jordan would be the best center if he played in today’s super small ball NBA if he wanted. 6’5’ PJ Tucker is a full time center averaging 34 MPG.

@Cj-hj6rm

4 жыл бұрын

NBA trash ASF ( even tho I rep the Celtics , STILL ) , an the Unis too tight on players 🚮

@Mysterioatokatokat

4 жыл бұрын

thelegendsqb1 isiah thomas will sign in houston to add to their small ball lineup

@Cj-hj6rm

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mysterioatokatokat he might

@attatara5364

4 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Law it amazes me how old heads think past players would walk over these players. youre nostalgia blinds you.

@jerellane82

4 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Law bruh it goes both ways it's soft because of the rules players were getting help defensively in the 80s and 90s because they can hand check now you would have to stand in front of a person and guard them can those 80s and 90s basketball players guard the basketball players today and if you put today's era back then they could clothesline and hack people to that's easy to do

I came back here after Butler scored 40 & 35 in the finals... With winning mentality easy 40😃😀😄

Mj average 37 ppg while attempting 66 3pt shot in the whole season man

No respect for today's game everybody act like the late 80s and 90s basketball is the greatest of all time it goes both ways if these players can hand check today it'll be the same thing can Jordan guard these players today without hand-checking

@WACG615

4 жыл бұрын

RellTell Facts there’s a reason why it was called the golden era. Btw today’s game is kinda trash. Which is why views constantly drop every year. People keep talking about shortening the regular season. People want playoff ball sooner. Why? Because it seems that’s the only time we really get to see them play

@zinjgreen3398

4 жыл бұрын

Well Lebron just scored 3 points in todays era.

@christianwills5670

4 жыл бұрын

Lowe 😂😂😂 that’s not the reason it’s because athletes wants to load manage and it makes no sense to go to a game or watch a game if your favorite player isn’t playing

@anthonyrendo3086

4 жыл бұрын

And way about help side defense in his era they had no help side defense and kawhi is not even close the same defender and all u had to do is take ur man 1 on 1 in the no era no help side d this day would be different with mj he would have to deal with media and they would get under his skin like in the 80 s he didn't want no part of the media

@muradyboy934

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly these dudes disrespecting our era like we trash which is stupid the game gets better every year skill wise i mean

The disrespect toward this era players are insane not all time past was better.

@SJO897

4 жыл бұрын

they wanna protect the age they grew up in

Stephen A is the only person who brings up defense when he talks strictly about offens My lawd

I just love Steven A. 😂😂😂😂😂

Jordan averaged 37.1PPG on 48%FG in his 3rd year. He also averaged 40+ PPG in the playoffs 5x on average 55%FG. MJ is definitely averaging 45+ on 50% in todays NBA.

@applycontext9161

4 жыл бұрын

al farouq aminu for 3 no he’s not

@tosourtobesweet6976

3 жыл бұрын

@@applycontext9161 cry

@applycontext9161

3 жыл бұрын

@@tosourtobesweet6976 why would I cry

I'm completely throwing out every single ring and Finals MVP won from each legend. Michael Jordan is still the most accomplished basketball player of all-time! 🤣

@joeyell8274

4 жыл бұрын

no he is not, Kareem is

@Saulgud23

4 жыл бұрын

Are you like here commenting on every single ESPN vid?

@arthurmorgan835

4 жыл бұрын

@@Saulgud23 I think so. I've seen him in like every ESPN episode comment section.

@Mysterioatokatokat

4 жыл бұрын

Danijel Bjelic jesus christ, its the corona effect. you just want to be in your house

@williebender1895

4 жыл бұрын

In the modern day era I agree

"How much would have MJ punished in today's game" ...definitely the correct wording. :)

He was a great rebounding guard. And in this age he might avg wesbrook rebound numbers

@ericjordan6059

3 жыл бұрын

People forget those last 24 games of the 89 season at the point. His numbers blow everyone else's numbers outta the water except for Oscar Robertson's. But Jordan would have touched those up as well if he had more time to acclimate to the position.

Max: "Remember when I said if Pippen didn't have the migraine in Game 7 against the Pistons, the first time Jordan had an All-Star?" Me: Well how could we not? You mention it every single time LOL

@edp-gb6yz

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

It would depend on how much Jordan's 3-point game improves for this particular climate. His final season with the Bulls was not very good in terms of the 3, but prior to that, he was pretty good. He would just be taking so many more.

I hope some crazy athletic little kid somewhere in the world is watching his doc and thinking I'm gonna be like Mike... but better. Theres no one in the league right now that can captivate the way Mike could.

@ericjordan6059

3 жыл бұрын

It's gonna take someone who wants to be the best they can possibly be and work insanely hard to accomplish that. All great players never took someone else's game or stats to tryn beat them to be the best. They all have their own games and travelled down their own path to become great.

Do you think jordan would allow anyone to "shoot better" than him knowing full well what sort of personality he has? I think he'll work himself to be a Klay Thompson if it's necessary, because he's that type of guy.

@goat.1376

4 жыл бұрын

There were better shooters than him is his own era. Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, etc. He wasn’t even the best shooter on his own team. Y’all have to stop with this bs acting like MJ has no flaws. He can’t just be amazing at something he was average at because of his “killer instinct” lmao.

@hotsteppa7337

4 жыл бұрын

GOAT. Facts bro

@fescherbursche8990

4 жыл бұрын

GOAT. Shrug game says sum else

@jk-fw3yd

4 жыл бұрын

klay can dribble, for god sake don’t compare jordan to him.

@jk-fw3yd

4 жыл бұрын

GOAT. so said it, he has killer instinct. that alone can cover his flaws. if the other player is about to out played him, he will do his best to out played that player.. that’s make him the GOAT. his determination to win on everything.

Stephen a said he'll have caused a lot of heart transplant 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭

I hear crickets where Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright, Jason McIntyre, Bill Laimbeer, and Isiah Thomas are standing at. 🤣 Their LeGOAT arguments holds zero merit. They've lost.

Let’s not forget in Jordan’s Era the full basketball court is used! They played full court man-to-man defense the whole game!

Imagine how awesome Goliath would be in today’s NBA?! 10ft tall 18ft wingspan 700lbs Bronze armour Moderate free throw shooter

"He LITERALLY wanted to snatch your heart out of your chest"..... I.... don't think that's accurate.

@jasondyrkacz8270

4 жыл бұрын

No, that's accurate. I mean, he wanted the win but, if he had the chance to break your spirit too, he'd do it.

@shawonr3325

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasondyrkacz8270 but that's spirit. he still wasn't literally trying to snatch your physical heart out of your chest lol

@washburn11000

4 жыл бұрын

Lol how is that not accurate? 🤔

Jordan averaged 37 ppg on 50% of his shots in a season one time (hand checking was still allowed during this time mind you!) I think he would average 50 ppg in today's game

@manofaith75

4 жыл бұрын

you cant win averaging 50 a game just ask wilt chamberlain.

@biggie2335

4 жыл бұрын

Hand checking is overrated concept there was also no zone defense when he played that’s a huge difference as well I think I liked the MJ of 90s much more he’s offensive skill set and post game was amazing yeah he averaged more in the 80s but I liked watching his game and how it evolved much more in the 90s

@biggie2335

4 жыл бұрын

Mike averaged 37 a game on 48% shooting and he was hand checked at the time he was also probably 6’6” 195 pounds even LeBron in his physical prime was 6’8” 260 pounds who’s hand checking that?

@Rainz_00

4 жыл бұрын

@@biggie2335 zone defense is overrated back then there was no defensive 3 rule you had big men camping in the paint ready to knock you down.

@biggie2335

4 жыл бұрын

Rainz yeah tru but they collapsed once u beat ur man past the ball in a one on one and they still called fouls then I’m sorry I just think people are real life living in the past physicality and playing dirty is two different things the game is always evolving ppl like to complain about three point shot attempts but the fact of the matter is shooting the three is a part of a skill set that requires practice and it’s amazing it doesn’t seem to matter the next generation will always knock down the previous

Top 5 people MJ would have to deal with in my opinion would be 1. Curry 2.KD 3.Bron 4.Kyrie 5.Giannas

Jordan scored 43 points on 60% FG against the #1 defensive team in 2003 (Nets)... at age 40. What do you think prime MJ would do in a league without handcheck?

ESPN really dragging this same topic over and over to keep the lights on. Elite players cook in any era, that's all it is.

@johnharrison1487

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, Jordan was a different species.

@yeheheyee9998

4 жыл бұрын

John Harrison no stop being so fkn blinded

@johnharrison1487

4 жыл бұрын

@@yeheheyee9998 Nah.

Stephen A is worn out, Max has sucked the energy outta him 😅

I'm gonna give y'all a jewel on what makes players like MJ, Kawhi and Dr J....blessed with large hands and the ability to palm and thus control. When you can palm and control means your shots would have a better chance of going in bcuz you can adjust especially when going in for a layup.

The "Killer instinct" can't be understated when you put it on top of MJ's will to be the best, and not just beat but demoralize other greats

@c2react429

3 жыл бұрын

But he never play Lebron james

@dparks2856

2 жыл бұрын

He lost 9x not in the finals. You win when you have the best team

That static is hurting my ears.

@kgeenicho8512

4 жыл бұрын

turn the sound down

These hypothetical questions are never ending. Im gonna have to detox from this

Jay Williams made an excellent point that i'm sure went over most people's heads. Back in the 2000's when Kobe was in his hey day, someone asked Derick Fisher about Kobe's greatness. Fisher said something to the effect of - " People just don't understand. This man could easily average 40 points a game. But he plays in a system that doesn't allow him to do that." That system that Fisher was talking about was the Triangle Offense. The triangle offense limits the offenisve players scoring opportunities because of the constant ball movement. So instead of one guy dominating the ball, the ball is shared between three players. You just heard Williams say how difficult that system was to learn. That system is what caused Jordan's numbers to drop in the 1990s when Phil took over and moved Jordan off ball and let Pippen do more of the facilitating. And Jordan STILL averaged 30! Folks who never saw Jordan play just don't understand how good of a scorer he was!

There is no GOAT in sports period. Just one great in every era.

Jay Williams always looks like he is about to cry everytime he starts talking lmfaooo

@el34glo59

4 жыл бұрын

Lol facts

@shadowsmessage

3 жыл бұрын

You mean his nose is about to 😭😭

Honestly this whole comparing players in different eras is getting so wack. Now they’re analyzing what percentage of shots players would have. First take is getting wack

@GaussGodden

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah bring up era only strengthens Jordans case.. let's just look at some numbers. Wilt had a 50ppg season when the league avg 145 ppg . Harden at 35ppg when the league avg 114 ppg . Jordan avg 37 when the league avg 95 per game.. not to mention Jordan played in an era when the league avgs the least points and yet he has the highest career avg 30.1 among NBA history.. to bring up the concept of era only strengthen Jordans case because he literally has a higher avg when the entire league scored the least points and had lesser possessions.. there is no argument... There were simply less possessions fewer total points scored in a team during Jordans era. Mathematically and objectively looking at Jordans era, it was an era that was the most difficult time for anyone to score high and yet Jordan still came out on top and destroyed everyone

Go back and watch what Jordan went through in those series against the pistons or Celtics. Today's nba players would get the ball stolen by Jordan and Jordan would of went scored and been back on DEFENSE while the other player was still whining to the ref. He would of dominated inside the arc because when he played Jordan had to go through 6 guys in the paint to get to the basket, now a days maybe 2 guys in the paint while 7 other players are standing out by the three point line. He played every game, that don't happen today, he played both sides of the ball , players don't do that, and I think just in those two points Jordan had more endurance than 90% of the players today. He had seasons of averaging 30 points or more, THEN so today nba easy 40 points a game for Jordan, EASY!

You know which argument wins this debate ? We will never know.

@TheUltimateRage

4 жыл бұрын

MJ wins. He always does.....

Imagine James Harden trying to survive in the 80s or 90s 😭 wouldn't need to flop back then, because Rick Mahorn, Laimbeer and the Bad Boy Pistons would have a FIELD DAY if Harden ever tried to bring his theatrics into the paint!

@FM28-aCe

4 жыл бұрын

So true! Back then they would give him a real reason to "flop"

@bigpain5791

4 жыл бұрын

Javian Johnson James Harden would have a lot of trouble because he scores a lot at the free throw line, and he doesn’t play defense.

@Mysterioatokatokat

4 жыл бұрын

Javian Johnson james harden will retire after 5 games because of public humiliation

@javianjohnson8746

4 жыл бұрын

Felix Gazer instead of PRETENDING to get hit in the face, he’d catch a real elbow from Bill Laimbeer!!

@theawesomebrick8284

4 жыл бұрын

Haters he might flop a little,he does play defense know your facts

Imagine MJ coming in the League where everyone is athletic and workout everyday. Imagine.

@esketitesketit1658

4 жыл бұрын

- 23 you’re on drugs

@wisechoice8

4 жыл бұрын

Kobe, a less athletic version of MJ, dominated a league where everyone is athletic and workout everyday. Imagine. Did I also mention he won five rings against zone defense?

@toptier6132

4 жыл бұрын

Yuup the same league that's too scared to play defense..he gonna make so many easy shots

@marcussimms8936

4 жыл бұрын

Aa A yes but think about in MJ’s era they viewed him as the best in this era a lot of players were considered the best LeBron,Kobe,Shaq,KD,Steph and etc

@JamesSmith-xo3vj

4 жыл бұрын

- 23 lol no one plays defense in the league and lack heart accept for a few players

Why do people complain about the topics like we’re not the ones giving them views which leads to them talking about the same topic that gets them views

Michael Jordan faced 7 of the top 10 all time scorers. 9 of the top 10 all time block leaders. 7 of the top 10 all time assist leaders. 8 of the top 10 all times steal leaders. Faced a much tougher era of defense with hand cheking allowed & harder fouls etc. MJ is still considered the 🐐 by most people 2 decades after his retirement, that says it all...

LeBron would trade his owner and sons to play with Jordan.

@almightyinsane1794

4 жыл бұрын

Unidentified Name too bad Jordan wouldn’t have wanted to play with him from a rival standpoint

@MrYunus999

4 жыл бұрын

Unidentified Name 🧢

@blkthedonxexodus9383

4 жыл бұрын

MJ would get expose warriors KD curry klay and green boogie will murder mj

@womensfacesarethedefinitio2806

4 жыл бұрын

@Samuel Sosa Warriors 73-9 + Durant would destroy Jordan. Draymond Green is a 3x All-Star, 2x All-Nba, 5x All-Defense, 1x DPOY, 1x Steals Leader. Green is a future hall of famer.

@wisechoice8

4 жыл бұрын

@@womensfacesarethedefinitio2806 Pippen can hinder KD. Ron Harper is comparable to Dellavadova, he can take Curry. MJ will front Khlay. Rodman can lockdown Shaq, he'll get Boogie. Who's guarding Kukoc - a dirklike 7 footer off the bench? Who's guarding MJ?

I definitely think Jordan could avg 50. If he solely devoted himself to doing so. But I feel 40 would be more realistic

@meloantbony2419

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt. He only does it in perimeter.a lot of taller defenders today

@Joshisfamous

4 жыл бұрын

Bro why is everybody exaggerating 😂 defenses are smarter there’s players that are better then Jordan in certain aspects of basketball there’s no way he’s averaging 40. Look at James harden the closest to do it recently and Jordan is not shooting threes as good as that

@joshnocap9338

4 жыл бұрын

@@Joshisfamous I think he could average 40 only if he has the most fga in the season. There are people in the league that could average high 30s, its just that they don't take a lot of fga like LeBron. Harden for example takes a lot of shots which is why he is what he is today.

Here's the thing about MJ: He is the greatest competitor EVER! Everytime he was challenged, he would literally get back at you the very next game. You can see that attitude even when he was with the Wizards. He would have a bad game, he gets criticized, then he drops a big game the next time out. It's his attitude really. Prime MJ, or even rookie MJ would dominate EVERYONE!

if pippen dont play with the bulls on that era? what happen??hoe many championships?? pippen is a GReat player too..underrated superstar

Jordan: Who’s guarding me tonight? Scout: Alex Caruso Jordan: 60 Scout: 60 points? Jordan: No, 60 seconds and I’m retiring. The GOAT would lock me up.

@algladyou

4 жыл бұрын

Jordan would retire? Pffftt...

Would Jordan actually have been the competitive freak that he was had he been born 20 years later though?

@cchisolm92cc

4 жыл бұрын

Remember it was HIS PARENTS and siblings that instilled that competetive nature in him. So yeah, he would still have that freak of nature mentality.

MJ already averaged 30 ppg in his own era, and they said in The Last Dance that he had to learn to give the ball away and allow others to shoot and develop their game once Phil Jackson came in and utilized the triangle offense. So, had it not been for that transition with Phil and the change in mentality, I think he would have averaged somewhere between 40-45 ppg. So when they say he would have averaged 50-60 in this era, I believe it.

Honestly, the 80s were a pretty high scoring era too, almost as high as today. MJ did score a lot in those days but never 40 a game lol. If we're being honest he'd have a harder time today then he had in the 80s if he didn't modernize his game with zone defense legal

43 ppg You have to understand MJ athleticism & finishing at the rim you know how many And 1s MJ would have

@jasondyrkacz8270

4 жыл бұрын

Plus he was a decent 3 point shooter in his later years.

@supratrd900

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasondyrkacz8270 Wasn't the best but as far as i can remember. he made them when it matters.

@ericjordan6059

3 жыл бұрын

@@supratrd900 ... We weren't looking for those. We loved the post ups and drives.