Anytime ESPN needs to rile up people they just bring this debate up.

@deesee2051

3 жыл бұрын

Anytime you mean every day 😂😂😂

@Buokik

3 жыл бұрын

Fr

@tyrestrong4806

3 жыл бұрын

LOL FACTS

@NLGabriel75

3 жыл бұрын

It’s ridiculous we know everyone’s opinion, Stephen a smith always says MJ, Perk says Lebron and Max always brings up the Longevity vs Highest Peak Argument

@mr.xochino

3 жыл бұрын

😹😹😹😹😹😹

Here we go again.... ESPN: Any other topic? NO, I don’t think so ESPN: MJ vs. LBJ? YESS, that’s the one

@eldio2124

3 жыл бұрын

And it will never end. Because Lebron James is the closest thing to Michael Jordan we have ever seen

@MT-eo5vy

3 жыл бұрын

El Dio Lebron has surpassed MJ

@user-yi5di6cu8x

3 жыл бұрын

@@MT-eo5vy MJ > Lebron

@eldio2124

3 жыл бұрын

@Incredible Vern I mean he’s the closest in terms of greatness to Jordan not play style

@melvinhhcp3615

3 жыл бұрын

@Incredible Vern Magic... KD plays like Bird

Perkins: “LeBron is going against hall of famers” Like Jordan didn’t. Only difference is, Jordan stopped a lot of Hall of Famers from even winning a ring.

@asrealasitgets7798

3 жыл бұрын

Good point plus he was in the aggressive days LeBron wouldn’t last

@bonecollector6387

3 жыл бұрын

All time facts

@illgates2940

3 жыл бұрын

@Benjamin Netanyahu LeBron is a great player because of his influence on other players, but Jordan had the mentality that LeBron will never have which makes him the GOAT.

@illgates2940

3 жыл бұрын

@Benjamin Netanyahu Touché

@jimmyjuice7504

3 жыл бұрын

0 IQ at its finest probably going to amount to being a rubbish cleaner

2:28 Perkins: "It's a team sport" 2:45 Perkins: "How about the individual accolades?"

@davidduroshola3486

3 жыл бұрын

He said it as I read this comment 😂

@TheOnlyMJS

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO! I love it when his brain can’t handle it either.

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@ThreeCreators *1962/63 season: Prime Wilt Chamberlain won just 31 games and missed the Playoffs despite having 3 players from the Hall of Fame.* ( LOL ). If it was Michael Jordan, old crazy heads would crucify him.

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

@ThreeCreators Mj is so overrated man, people act like he is the most valuable player of all time, bird magic bill russell lebron were all more valuable to their teams than mj was, bird in his rookie year led the celtics to 60 wins I think, lebron led the cavs to 66 wins, look what happened when lebron left the cavs, and look what happened when mj left the bulls.

@oldmajor4910

3 жыл бұрын

@@dynamic6645 if LeBron is more valuable, where’s the 6 championships to prove it

That time of the year where ESPN brings back the debate.

@irocklalot

3 жыл бұрын

That time you mean, every week or 2?

@stargellwilliams1311

3 жыл бұрын

Perkins acts like he lebron girlfriend you cant say anything against lebron he gets all upset,lol.

@MT-eo5vy

3 жыл бұрын

And JordanSexuals get mad when we say something bad about him!

@KPRackz

3 жыл бұрын

@@MT-eo5vy ur a bronsexual lmao and it shows

@thenameisyosh

3 жыл бұрын

Dude all the time! 😂🤦🏽‍♂️, So tired of it. I love Perk just trying to justify himself 😂😂😂

If I think MJ is the goat, I’m instantly a hater of Lebron according to Lebron fans

@deshawnfilterfeed1212

3 жыл бұрын

and if you think bron the goat you a brontard according to jordan fans

@jaasonjones4419

3 жыл бұрын

@@deshawnfilterfeed1212 nope. You're just wrong

@deshawnfilterfeed1212

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaasonjones4419 lol if you genuinely think jordan is a better player than bron you tripping

@jaasonjones4419

3 жыл бұрын

How? He achieved more in less time, he was better on both sides of the court and became the player with the highest ppg during one of the lowest scoring periods in NBA history.

@shattadawes

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaasonjones4419 people now will never understand the greatness of Jordan because they never saw him(maybe at the end) and it’s hard for them to think someone was greater than Lebron.Brons great but the nba feared Mj and if you don’t believe it watch KZread and listen to other players said

When Jordan was around people used to go to his games against their favorite teams just to see how bad Mike was gonna torch them. I don't get the same exact feeling with Lebron.

@jordansoviet23

3 жыл бұрын

Fans of opposing teams cheered for him as long as he scored 50 points, do his incredible hang time moves and beat their home teams.

@mpound97

3 жыл бұрын

That Bulls red away jersey was like the away crowds signal to show up and cheer for MJ.

@SaiKhot

3 жыл бұрын

*Bulls

@noble78b

3 жыл бұрын

Facts.. I went to see Michael against my Atlanta Hawks. 💯

@pauldumont1442

3 жыл бұрын

Well true BB fans knew they were gonna see a great show and even perhaps see their team win. For the fans that was a win/win pretty much

MJ so GOAT he had to retire in his prime so that other teams can win it

@bombdrive3880

3 жыл бұрын

actually, he would still get 6 chips, had he not retire

@jodhveer6007

3 жыл бұрын

No it was cuz he was a gamble Addict

@ariesarethebest271

3 жыл бұрын

@@jodhveer6007 What rubbish. Lol. He has a competitive problem. Not a gambling problem.

@sallydavies9253

2 жыл бұрын

He would of got 8 maybe 9 in a row if he did not let hakeem have a go. Mj was another level as a winner to anyone

@masulubonak9275

2 жыл бұрын

Soo true hmif he never gets old hed still be doing 3 prats evry decade 😂

Still trying to figure out how perkins became relevant enough to be a analyst

@mykerose8456

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah me to man, me too!

@CreamPieSundays

3 жыл бұрын

He's a Lebron d rider that's how, have you noticed the amount of Lebron d riders on tv the last 3-yrs. The more they push he's better then MJ the more tv air time they get. Richard Jefferson, Rachel Nichols, Brian Windhorst and Nick Wrong is the perfect example yrs ago said KD was better then Lebron in detail via twitter, then deleted those tweets. Then became the biggest LeBron D rider then gets his own shown

@donpopedotta507

3 жыл бұрын

Don't hate. If you can debate with player perspective you good so he straight.. plus he appeals to a different demographic

@jerome8583

3 жыл бұрын

Hes a substitute of ryan hollins

@max926sf

3 жыл бұрын

Please give us someone who'd avg more pts than Perk please!

“Stop lying Big Boy”- SAS 2020😂😂

@freshprince_1229

3 жыл бұрын

Steven A smith sus for that comment 🤣🤣🤣

@juanmontoya7324

3 жыл бұрын

SAS? More like SUS

@Leechi_

3 жыл бұрын

AYOOOO

Micheal Jordan everyday and twice on Sunday. Thank you.

When jordan was sick with flu he played his heart out that is a warrior wanting his team to win no matter what thank you Michael

@jordansanders9818

2 жыл бұрын

It was food poisoning

@Dylan-cp8gu

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordansanders9818 even worse lol

@mcflurry1583

2 жыл бұрын

He was hungover Scottie Pippen said it himself real “goat” like, gambling addict too lmao at least Bron can say he’s a model citizen.

@MAP2023

Жыл бұрын

@@mcflurry1583 Bron model citizen. 😂 😂😂😂 Big moth princess Bron even put himself in trouble with the Chinese government. Shut up and dribble. 😂😂

Regardless of who you pick, I think we can all agree that nobody wants to hear what Kendrick Perkins has to say about this or any topic.

@vinceguilliamalipio8338

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, this is what Michael jordan die hard fans would say

@boatedboat9191

3 жыл бұрын

Nah max and stephen a saying can never is way dumber

@Jyzn

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinceguilliamalipio8338 Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ). *They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.* *Prime Lebron James lost to 38-years-old Tim Duncan in the 2014 Nba Finals.* 1991 Pistons: *Dennis Rodman HoF ( age 30 ) - 2x Defensive Player of the Year ( 1990 and 1991 ).* *Isiah Thomas HoF ( age 30 ) - All-star 1991.* *Joe Dumars HoF ( age 27 ) - All-star 1991.* However, Lebron fans claim the Pistons were old when Michael Jordan defeated them. Lebron fans always have a double standarts. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.

@cultok

3 жыл бұрын

@@allanhouston6759 that’s 2014 spies team would beat that pistons team

Kendrick Perkins literally argued against his own points LMFAO

@bengonzalez4224

3 жыл бұрын

Haha

@TeacherLegendary

3 жыл бұрын

He's as good a basketball analyst as he was a basketballer

@Celothxu

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@evanlouanthony

3 жыл бұрын

@@TeacherLegendary basketballer...?

@richiijzz

3 жыл бұрын

Kendrick Perkins is a hypocrite

Lebron chased for his 1st ring MJ stayed to the city who drafted him and gave them 2 threepeats

@HakeemTheDream616

3 жыл бұрын

He's still chasing 🤣

@Amoun007

3 жыл бұрын

lebron left the cavs because he did not have a championship contender around him, mj was already given pippen grant john paxson bj armstrong phil jackson, mj didnt need to leave.

@JD-wq8kz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Amoun007 Mj still gave them 2 threepeat did he not?

@HakeemTheDream616

3 жыл бұрын

@@Amoun007 He was ran out of Cleveland, and had to team up with 2 HOFer's then still lost the championship that season LMAO!!!

@HakeemTheDream616

3 жыл бұрын

@@Amoun007 Excuses, excuses, excuses...he left to chase a ring

2:28 Ok if you look at it from a"team sport" perspective, Jordan's *team* won more times than LeBron's in less time

@GoGetYourShinebox

3 жыл бұрын

And Jordan helped build that team’s core, contributing towards the development of young players like Scottie & Horace. Lebron moves, recruits stars or suitable players that fit his system, then leaves when things get tough and repeats the process. I don’t recall any young player LBJ helped develop into an all star calibre player.

@iamdalibor

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoGetYourShinebox Mo williams. After the cavs stint he basically became 2nd/3rd string pg on other teams. Then there's jr smith. Went from trash in knicks to playing way better with the cavs.

@iamdalibor

3 жыл бұрын

@@fury_021 Yeah but lbj played when he was a 18. mj didn't do that. Had mj been playing since he was 18 like lbj it definitely wouldn't have been no 13 yrs. Can't blame el train for playing in the nba since he was 18 and capable of it. And who cares how fast it takes you to get rings. Thats like saying shaq is much better then kobe because shaq got his 4th ring sooner then kobe/lbj I find that hilarious as heck comparing how fast someone gets a ring. The end game is the total amount doesn't matter if you win it by an inch or a mile winning is winning.

Perkins is so annoying every time on this debate

@multyz1

3 жыл бұрын

You're more annoying.

@coreythomas3633

3 жыл бұрын

How

@coreythomas3633

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielcho2698 how

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

@JACQUEZ JOHNSON lol whaaaaaaat 🤣

@TheDON914

3 жыл бұрын

@JACQUEZ JOHNSON * bubble chip

Ratings must be down 😅 y’all bring this up every other day. Let the topic rest man 😆

@murkyhyperion357

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 at least let lebron get the chance to play a game

@missionboundpodcast2960

3 жыл бұрын

Nah its closer then ever right now.

@ryanliu117

3 жыл бұрын

@news flash yeah because nba brought sjw Woke politics to the sport league.

@kamaljarome2918

3 жыл бұрын

1:32

@ryanliu117

3 жыл бұрын

@news flash I love Lebron as a basketball player, my favorite one too. But I hate him with all of his things off the court, like politics

MJ invented the goat

MJ never flopped

@robertwilson9528

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah also jordan never quit or gave up in a nba finals game or any game

@SaiKhot

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertwilson9528 omg more Lebron haters

@robertwilson9528

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaiKhot tell me im wrong. The entire world saw it. Hes a quiter. Wants easy championships and little opposition. When it dosent go his way or the road gets hard he has checked out multiple games n plays for his stats so when he loses he can say i had a triple double or watever empty stat

@jolie7624

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertwilson9528 tell me u don’t watch basketball wo telling me u don’t watch basketball

@robertwilson9528

3 жыл бұрын

@@jolie7624 ok so prove to me my comment is not facts. Its mot hate against lebron its facts. The whole world saw how he quit n checked out in the playoffz this year. Did that not happen?

Perkins just trying too bully his way on the argument.

@missionboundpodcast2960

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta love Perkins

@rubski-ds9yc

3 жыл бұрын

F Perkins he a hater that wouldn't survive basketball in the 80s and 90s

@pelicansfan8499

3 жыл бұрын

@@rubski-ds9yc but u would??? U deluded oldhead ya niggas is lame

@pelicansfan8499

3 жыл бұрын

There wasn’t talent back then compared to now

@fk4410

3 жыл бұрын

@Nigg Naps you take 30 years of Basketball and act like these guys have been in the league at one time

MJ has done more in 13 years than LeBron has in nearly 20, this is no debate at all.

@theprodigy7002

3 жыл бұрын

He did it in a watered down expansion era player's today are far more talented than back then even if it was more physical.

@ralphdadon3026

3 жыл бұрын

The degree of difficulty was higher for Jordan

@gytisgytis5547

3 жыл бұрын

@@ralphdadon3026 Yes.....According to you players talent in Nba decreased Xd. Better watch Kareem talking about new Nba Players and you gonna see.

@guilhermestringheta2902

3 жыл бұрын

@@ralphdadon3026 jordan is the goat, but this is absolutely false

@dexterisaccs545

3 жыл бұрын

@@theprodigy7002 where’s the variety of players today like the 90’s had? Where’s all the elite centers and big men for this era ?

MJ never sat out games due to "load management". That ends the debate right there.

@wc6046

3 жыл бұрын

No it really doesn't lol

@jacobfarley247

3 жыл бұрын

But retired like 3 times

@devenmurray3580

3 жыл бұрын

He literally retired 3 times. He “load managed” like 5 seasons.

@buddhamaster322

3 жыл бұрын

MJ never passed the ball to a ref by mistake. That ends the debate right there lol

@glennrobinson4176

2 жыл бұрын

John Stockton has 16 seasons in which he played all 82 games, Karl Malone has 17 seasons in which he played 80 or more games. Gary Payton- `13, Alex English- 13, Reggie Miller- 12, Terry Porter- 12. *Name a least one modern Nba player who played 10 full seasons ( or 80 games ).*

I take Kobe over bron🤷🏾‍♂️

@nowdoyouunderstandpain6066

2 жыл бұрын

Tf u smoking

@o.c.g.m9426

2 жыл бұрын

5 chips on one team and 20 yrs on one team and not sitting out games....Kobe definitely

@showbizgwoponese8855

2 жыл бұрын

No way

@carlogarcia940

Жыл бұрын

👍

I dont like Perkins and his comments.. this dude acting like LeBrons mother..

@jayus2033

3 жыл бұрын

Kendrick Perkins is right on some points

@jayus2033

3 жыл бұрын

Not*

@max926sf

3 жыл бұрын

He's still on his payroll u can't blame him

@kevinhu3515

3 жыл бұрын

more like Lebron's bi*ch...

@xxeznn

3 жыл бұрын

Lol that's LeKendrick Perkins for you!

Why is Perkins so emotional 😭 it’s weird 😂😂😂

@kb4231

3 жыл бұрын

$$$

@dude-bj6yt

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@sticknaw1

3 жыл бұрын

He's a television personality now... That's his shtick.

@Marrab2

3 жыл бұрын

He loves Lebron dearly dont mock him for wearing his feelings on his sleeve

@Solznmid

3 жыл бұрын

“Listen” “stop it” “come on” then proceeds to cry

My parents, ever since I was a kid, taught me never to argue with someone over any of these 3 topics; 1. Religion 2. Politics 3. LeBron vs MJ

Its not the numbers that makes Jordan the GOAT for me.... Its his impact that makes him the GOAT... Period

How many of you skipped when perk started talking? 🤣

@stevenbakalar4421

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't care what he said

@sanman501

3 жыл бұрын

I thought about it but sadly I didn't.

@juanpakinabang4370

3 жыл бұрын

Present...that dude house a mouth of noisy goose

@carltonbanks5470

3 жыл бұрын

I didnt. Was the best part.

@jordansoviet23

3 жыл бұрын

It was moronic at its worst to be honest with you.

The NBA Mount Rushmore is like the Jackson 5. There's Michael and then the role players.

@mariorcanazza2267

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment!

@isit7189

3 жыл бұрын

might be the most factual comment i’ve ever read💯

@marekwichniarek268

3 жыл бұрын

Great point!

@potatoes_avocados3024

3 жыл бұрын

😂true

@agbradio5894

3 жыл бұрын

he never beat larry bird in a playoff game, where does larry rank here?

MJ will always be # 1

MJ will never be passed.

Magic: it's Michael Jordan and then there's everybody else

@mjs1295

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan: You cant compare players in different eras

@driplord7286

3 жыл бұрын

magic : if lebron gets 5 it’s hard to say he won’t be over taking jordan . this was 2 months ago . when lebron won your statement is a old one lol . please stop !

@driplord7286

3 жыл бұрын

@TheRealist811 it’s the same thing . him being 5 is hard to say he isn’t over taking because he’s right there with him .

@rollegoldstein6832

3 жыл бұрын

Booom

@imunzni7069

3 жыл бұрын

No more. There is the King now.

LeBron is the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Alex Caruso aka the Bald Mamba

@persistentlydriven9390

3 жыл бұрын

🗣😆😆

@Buokik

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle Lowry

@Heaveaway23

3 жыл бұрын

Idk i think danny green is better than caruso but lebron isnt on their level

@JustNel

3 жыл бұрын

So kobe is the best because caruso gets his name from kobe🤔

@hristijandimitrovski8664

3 жыл бұрын

Kobe is the greatest

Anyone who's been to a game and seen both of these guys in action would never argue this. Jordan broke physics.

Lebron is an incredible athlete and basketball player... Jordan is on another plain... He is a God

I've had the pleasure of watching them both and Jordan is the GOAT

@ariuslb

3 жыл бұрын

A class by himself is true. A class of people with compulsive gambling addictions, God complexes, and an almost psychopathic need to be recogized as the best ever and forever to the point he greenlit a "documentary" about himself the day after LeBron won another chip just to remind people about himself

@GoGetYourShinebox

3 жыл бұрын

Most that pick Lebron never watched MJ. Figures.

@oroebuck

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 52. Watched them both since high school. LeBron is CLEARLY the GOAT. Jordan never even made it to the Finals without Phil. Neither did Kobe. Phil elevated their legacies. LeBron has elevated multiple coaches legacies. Its not even close.

@leetraviusmckay2919

3 жыл бұрын

@@oroebuck if lebron is the Goat what happened in 2011 finals when he finished averaging 17.8ppg

@oroebuck

3 жыл бұрын

@@leetraviusmckay2919 Being the only player...IN NBA HISTORY...with 38k/8k/8k, to average a trpl-dbl in the Finals and to lead 3 franchises to a title makes him the Greatest Of All-Time. It's about the body of work, not a single series. He's raised the bar for every Hall of Famer, statistically and with championships. And, his jersey will be retired by every team he's played for, as should happen to the GOAT.

“The late great Kobe Bean Bryant” Will never sit right with me man smh...

@russelljohnson437

3 жыл бұрын

On god smh

@cyber6sapien

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@fatherj3283

3 жыл бұрын

@sincere Williams Like AI said they must’ve forgot 💯 In the 2000’s it was MJ vs Kobe. Now they act like Kobe was just alright lmao. Real hoopers know wassup.

@HaitianAddy

3 жыл бұрын

@sincere Williams frfr they never bring Kobe up anymore, always lebron

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

*Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 19-11 ).* *Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).* Lebron James feasted in the weak East. Kobe and MJ didn"t have that luxury.

5:42 Superstars Jordan faced (in their prime): Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexel, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Alonzo Mourning, Tim Hardaway Sr., Reggie Miller, Shaquille O'Neal Superstars LeBron faced (in their prime): Tim Duncan, Dirk, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Paul Piece, Ray Allen, Steph Curry

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ). *They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.*

@TrillTaylor80

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan played against Ray Allen, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett too

@rovingwarrior3710

3 жыл бұрын

And guys who would literally assault you on the court like Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn.

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

@@allanhouston6759 *Michael Jordan only dominated when celtics lakers pistons teams got old/injured and retired* Michael Jordan:"Hey larry, glad you retired, maybe I'll start winning some right now !" *Michael Jeffrey Jordan is so overrated.*

@brobiewankenobi9492

2 жыл бұрын

@@dynamic6645 shut up i hear the same “easier defense” all the time. It wasn’t easier. Its just that style has changed, along with mechanics and strategies for defending.

I think Lebron is a phenomenal player!! He is the greatest of his era. However growing up and watching MJ, MJ is the goat hands down. why are All these Lebron kids nowadays are all running around wearing Michael’s shoes!

@manuelshaul9244

2 жыл бұрын

I keep saying the same thing Jordan shoes tell it all. Nobody wearing lebron's

@johnmoates7188

Жыл бұрын

Lebrons shoes are pink lmao lmao lmao

Would Jordan had lost a finals with Wade & Bosh? Against the Mavericks? Lol.

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

*MJ never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals.* Prime Lebron James got outscored by 6"2 Jason Terry ( age 33 ) - who played less minutes per game.

@donpopedotta507

3 жыл бұрын

Would Phil Jackson have needed Kobe if he had LeBron for 17 years?

@jerrythealien9106

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan never carried a team himself

@shattadawes

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a sweep of the any team they play against.BRON is a goat but he has the weak mentality compare to MJ and Kobe.I think if BRON had Kobe mental then he would be the goat

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerrythealien9106 Check your facts.

If lebron win 10 championship michael Jordan is still the GOAT in my eyes.

@oriondx72

3 жыл бұрын

agree lebron lost to many in the finals mj is 6-0! nuff said :)

@filiperufino303

3 жыл бұрын

@@oriondx72 he also lost 3 times in 1st round without Pippen

@derek5760

3 жыл бұрын

@@oriondx72 He got there though

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@@filiperufino303 1988 ECFR: *JORDAN= 45-ppg FG-56%.* *Pippen =10-ppg FG-47%.* The Bulls in the second round thanks to the incredible performance of Michael Jordan. Scotte Pippen was a Rookie. By your logic, Larry Hughes carried Lebron James. Without Larry Hughes, Lebron James do not make the Playoffs in two years in a row. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.

@terrellroberson1637

3 жыл бұрын

@@filiperufino303 That first round argument is non sense 3 out of the 2 years MJ couldn't get out the first round he played a 60 win team then a 59 win team Celtics with 3-4 HOFers while MJ didn't even had help and yet Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the NBA stop it

I'll just say this and remember LeBron had to change teams 3 different times to win his rings. Michael Jordan didn't he won all his rings with the Chicago bulls and he earned Everything he has. Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T. always will be

You can't be in the GOAT conversation unless you 3peat. 💯

@Amigofix

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

This is a team achievement Mr. Lu T

I want Michael Jordan everyday, and 2 times on sunday - stephen a 🤝

@Amigofix

3 жыл бұрын

Facts and Kobe also

@MoonLight-mt5qo

3 жыл бұрын

💯factssss

@testing_something

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amigofix jordan, yeah? but Kobe? Nah.

I think Kendrick might love LeBron more than most of us love of our parents. This dude....

@pelicansfan8499

3 жыл бұрын

Ur lame bro

@theodorelandryiii9281

3 жыл бұрын

@@pelicansfan8499 Thanks, bud!

@chillin_abner

3 жыл бұрын

@@pelicansfan8499 😂😂😂

@demarr5811

3 жыл бұрын

Leshannon 🤣🤣🤣

@vonrip7599

3 жыл бұрын

Cash Nasty: Am I a joke to you?

why is this a debate, when LEBRON isnt even better kobe!💯

@WineSippingCowboy

3 жыл бұрын

1 statistic demonstrates that Kobe-Lakers had tougher opponents than LeBron-Heat. Somebody: point out the YT videos that demonatrate the statistic. I saw 1 such video 2 weeks ago. Heat opponents were tough, but not as tough as Lakers opponents. On point! 🏀

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

@@WineSippingCowboy Lebron faced better competition in the finals than kobe 😵

@jockstorious6308

3 жыл бұрын

Nah but LeBron ain’t better Than Kareem

@Mikebuddy2229

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯

@DemonKing-oi4jd

3 жыл бұрын

@@dynamic6645 Competition was in the West

Even if LeBron wins 12 Rings he's still not the GOAT

@dodderyrages

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@tallchara677

3 жыл бұрын

Amen !!!

@benitrap3403

3 жыл бұрын

mj fan spotted if mj didnt have 6 rings he wouldnt be in the discussion

ESPN’s go to topic is the goat debate when they run out of ideas

@andylarkin5779

3 жыл бұрын

And your go to thing is to click and watch.

Wow ESPN never talks about the goat debate. I’m surprised they are talking about it!

@shawnmcclymont6610

3 жыл бұрын

Facts. This is as rare as them talking about the cowboys...

@andrewhauser70

3 жыл бұрын

I know this is supposed to be sarcastic so idk why I’m writin this but before the bubble this summer it was all they talked about

Lebron needs to be better than Kobe before he can get up to comparison to basketball Jesus.

@heygirl4797

2 жыл бұрын

Yep :) , Kobe was the closest thing to Jordan.

Lebron has spent half his life chasing a ghost now that's paranormal activity

Perkins makes his point that it’s a team sport and then talks about individual accolades in the next sentence 😂

@andrewmuragin5310

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly you don’t have a clue about what he was saying. He talked about it’s a team sport, so rings shouldn’t mean as much when comparing players. No one can win a ring single handedly. He talks about individual accolades because when you compare 2 players, you should talk about they individual stats, not team awards or media awards

@ethanwhite3068

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmuragin5310 Perkins was all over the place😂

@ongod6362

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmuragin5310 and Jordan still wins in individual accolades

@endangeredspecies8441

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmuragin5310 that’s why we have final mvps; to highlight the individual that put in the most work toward their team accomplishment. Lebron fans are funny bunch with this lame “team accomplishment” excuse. Jordan has more FMVP then Lebron; which means he contributed to all of his team accomplishments. Go eat 💩 now.

@suntansuperman26

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmuragin5310 So if LeBron matches or surpasses Jordan in rings, people wouldn’t use that as fuel? Years ago my theory was that since LeBron wasn’t winning as much the whole winning rings is a team accomplishment so it shouldn’t be a factor in greatness narrative was born, but let LeBron win some more and watch how they flip their stance on it.

why is perk on the show dude literally makes no sense every single day

@chimereokey-nwamara6204

3 жыл бұрын

Lol why cause you didn’t agree with him saying Lebron was the best?

@christg989

3 жыл бұрын

He brings no value to the show at all its ridiculous

@lithnxtdoor8160

3 жыл бұрын

frrrrrrr

@WarAgeTV

3 жыл бұрын

Your ok with max tho?

@kotaswarts708

3 жыл бұрын

No kidding. lmao I’d rather listen to Paul Pierce.

I love hearing Perk try to pronounce words with 3 syllables or more. That's entertainment.🤣🤣🤣

This reminds me of the presidential debate lmao

James won 3 of his chips with a super star studded team Jordan stayed in one team that he turned into the great team they were.

@SaiKhot

3 жыл бұрын

Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, Toni Kokoc, Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, John Paxton, Stacey King, Craig Hodges

@RobboYT

2 жыл бұрын

@@SaiKhot all good roleplayers, one star player in there in scottie pippen 👍🏼

@SaiKhot

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobboYT 3 star players excluding rodman

@RobboYT

2 жыл бұрын

@@SaiKhot who? steve kerr? 😂😂

@SaiKhot

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobboYT no lol Grant Kukoc and Pippen 💀

MJ no doubt. If MJ had the sports science of today and the general new methods of training and recovery... it's scary to think he'd be even better

@Scrapeboxkid

2 жыл бұрын

if he played today against these athletes who are better he would only get 4 rings

@legendarywiimaster

2 жыл бұрын

60 inch vertical MJ

@SmilingJack65

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scrapeboxkid These athletes who have to dance around each other? Yeah, okay, sure. MJ would make fools of them with these rules.

@fax4life620

Жыл бұрын

@@SmilingJack65 I agree, todays nba players just look better because the rules help them a lot, it's easier to score these days because the rules favor the offensive players, you just drive to the basket and get fouled every time and easy 2 buckets

@theboy1346

Жыл бұрын

​@@Scrapeboxkid😂😂😂😂

If you face LeBron in the Finals... you actually have a chance of winning and beating him.. If you faced Michael Jordan.... you were gonna lose. That’s it.

@robertwilson9528

3 жыл бұрын

He had that aura that u couldnt beat him. I havent seen that in most players past or present. Hes like the ultimate videogame boss lol

@rovingwarrior3710

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. And when have you eve heard anyone try to make the argument that the Buffalo Bills are one of the greatest all time NFL teams?

@jolie7624

3 жыл бұрын

when did i play against lebron

@jolie7624

3 жыл бұрын

u*

He said “Jeff Hornacek and Dan Majerle” 🤣🤣🤣

Kyle Lowry

@mendez9870

3 жыл бұрын

Overrated

@agenttombstone1018

3 жыл бұрын

@@mendez9870 underrated

@Senju_HVM

3 жыл бұрын

GOAT

@onetimehighlights115

3 жыл бұрын

Biiiiggggg Booooty Kyyyyle Loooowrry

@lebronjames4995

3 жыл бұрын

@Kyle Lowry You couldn't get pass me with the cavs

MJ the GOAT period.

@kingchriistiian6757

3 жыл бұрын

@Adel Masood Rahman he got every team he played on a chip. Unlike mj. Mj went to the wizards and didn’t even get them a winning record. So that already let’s you know that Lebron is more valuable. Mj isn’t versatile at all. And he had so many fake retirements it’s ridiculous. So face the facts and move on

@travisealy3512

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingchriistiian6757 this is the dumbest take ever lol, you do realize mj stopped playing for like a year or two then went to the wizards. Also mj did all his stuff in 14 seasons while lebron still hasn’t overcome him in stuff at 17. There’s levels to it and mj is ahead and it’s clear.

@kingchriistiian6757

3 жыл бұрын

@@travisealy3512 mj with the fake retirements 🤣🤣 so cute

@a-lanarhodes7198

3 жыл бұрын

@Adel Masood Rahman 1-9;)

@a-lanarhodes7198

3 жыл бұрын

@Adel Masood Rahman lebron too doest change the fact his 1-9 lol

I remember the legend of something they used to call, defense. It was glorious, they were like Roman Gladiators.

How long will we have this same debate?

I'm still about that Kobe over Lebron! All day everyday!

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

*Lebron James lost to Dwight Howard in the 2009 Nba Finals.* Kobe Bryant defeated Dwight Howard in the 2009 Nba Finals. Kobe Bryant defeated Prime Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. *Prime Lebron James lost to Old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ) in the 2014 Nba Finals.* Kobe Bryant is better than Lebron James.

@ladlad3179

3 жыл бұрын

@@allanhouston6759 Everything u just said makes 0 sense 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. By that logic Kobe lost to that pistons team but Lebron beat it the year after, so Lebron > Kobe. I love kobe. Hes the second best sg ever, but hes below lebron. Imagine if a young lebron had prime shaw for 6 season? Would have been a wrap for the league. Lebrons accolades are better, better career averages more mvps, finals appearances ( Will possibly tie him for chips this year) and alot more

@donpopedotta507

3 жыл бұрын

My love and respect for Kobe won't allow my fingers to type a rebuttal

@supersmoothsailin6178

3 жыл бұрын

@@ladlad3179 Lebron needed an All-star MVP by his side to win everytime. Every time he tried to do it by himself he got swept. Lebron set the game difficulty to easy mode on cruise control by trying to build super teams and he still has a negative Finals record.

@ladlad3179

3 жыл бұрын

@@supersmoothsailin6178 i mean lets not forget that Kobe had the second best Centre of all time on his team when he 3 peated, as well has a gasol averaging 20 and 10 a game while playing lockdown D, and a very deep bench which included all nba bynum and An arrest who could still give 15-20 a game. Everyone needs help to win chips. Be it lebron, mj or kobe

It's surprising how little perk knows about basketball being a former pro basketball player lol

@kingchriistiian6757

3 жыл бұрын

That’s what all mj fans say... the facts were handed to you, accept them

@blackstar0o3

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingchriistiian6757 you think kendrick perkins speaks facts? Incredible lol

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingchriistiian6757 *All-Nba Players.* LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ): *East -58.* *West -147.* LOL. Lebron James feasted in the weak East. It is a Fact.

@kingchriistiian6757

3 жыл бұрын

@@allanhouston6759 but he went to the finals and beat the warriors. Which was probably the best team pretty much ever besides Mj’s bulls. So he’s feasting regardless. And oh he went to the west. And feasted some more. So your point is?

@kingchriistiian6757

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackstar0o3 Lebron is the goat. Stay mad.

Lebron will never be better then mj..he will never do what jordan has done..never!!!!

Always and forever MJ

“If 4 finals mvps becomes 5, would that be higher than 6?”🤦‍♂️

@emerystheimmortal417

3 жыл бұрын

apparently so. Now we arr also ignoring all the losses too because thats inconvenient.

@devinewhite-foster3292

3 жыл бұрын

The main reason why mj is better than lebron isn't because of the rings but by the consistent level of dominance

@TheNyion912

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan never beat Larry bird 🐦

@monchokamikaze8560

3 жыл бұрын

bill rusell 11 > 6 Robert horry 7>6

@hristijandimitrovski8664

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheNyion912 what?? Dude, Jordan is better player than Bird, any time.

Must be nice to get paid $$$ to answer the same question over and over again...

MJ is the GOAT of all time 5 MVP´s regular Season 6 MVP'S FINALS... The Best Scorer Ever: Michael Jordan Won 10 Scoring Titles While Basically Playing 11 Full Seasons, More and more reasons... MICHAEL JORDAN THE KING OF BASKETBALL EVER

Haha! Perk went from 'team sport' to 'individual accolades' in like 10 seconds. Confused me! Had to watch those 10 seconds again because I thought I missed something!

I'm asking for MJ's autograph 10/10 times over LeBron if they at the same table

@roarnightingale2238

3 жыл бұрын

I'd ask Lbj so stop

@lyndonjenkins8756

3 жыл бұрын

@@roarnightingale2238 u trippin

@learnlifetv7019

3 жыл бұрын

I’m asking for both all y’all sick lls both the Goat

@lyndonjenkins8756

3 жыл бұрын

@@learnlifetv7019 do you not understand GOAT mean Greatest Of All Time is how in the world they both the GOAT love LeBron too just Micheal better

@learnlifetv7019

3 жыл бұрын

@@lyndonjenkins8756 I’m not gonna argue or listen to ppl argue about two GOATS if you wanna believe that one is better than the others go head lol I’m not... 🙋🏾‍♂️

They need to start giving MJ and LBJ cuts every time their name is mentioned on the show. Bet they’d stop real quick.

@davidcollins7195

3 жыл бұрын

True, but they are rich enough as is 😂

@ryanrostkowski4244

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidcollins7195 True, but then again so is ESPN

I can't get enough of Steven A and Max

To be honest I don't even think lebron james is better then koby Bryant!!!...the closest one to ever be as great as michael jordan is koby Bryant!!!!... period!!!!.....

How is this even an arrangement: chips jordan, mvps jordan, finals mvp jordan, point per game jordan, defensive players of the year jordan, sccoring tiitles jordan, defense first team jordan. What are you arguing.

@puredistancegolf

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Stupidest argument in the history of sports.

@jahleelsayers-ns3ze

3 жыл бұрын

More points, rebounds, assists, blocks? The question is who is the better player? Not who had the better team.

@PriestDaSensei

3 жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️Lebron has more points assist rebounds 3pt percentage field goal percentage everything besides rings ya niggas weren’t even alive to see Jordan play and you can’t say who’s better because Lebron never played against Jordan

@cm-15

3 жыл бұрын

@@PriestDaSensei those stats are relative to time played in the league tho. MJ has a higher ranking of rebounds and assists per position if you take out time played. And the 3pt % is a .2 difference over an entire career so you can’t give that to one person over another. He does have FG %.

@JoseHernandez-dd1jk

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly💯 People say that MJ had a better team but yet they all say that MJ played with plumbers like bruh FOH😂

With Perkins logic Westbrook could be the goat 😂

@KayMattersOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@kamaljarome2918

3 жыл бұрын

Or Lavar

@ernestsze6402

3 жыл бұрын

russ the goat tho

@BridgeBoii

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@suntansuperman26

3 жыл бұрын

Because you know triple doubles. It’s crazy that Westbrook is second for most triple doubles.

The last few few seconds was the funniest. :)

Can Kawhi catch Lebron, with 2 more ships?

Do haters realise you can love both LBJ and MJ ?

@DogIn1993

3 жыл бұрын

Tell bron meat suckers that they act like he god😂

@Jdub3amigo

3 жыл бұрын

@@DogIn1993 y’all Jordan fans act like Jordan played 6 season an he’s a god

@bartphilips2222

3 жыл бұрын

wait a minute. so to not be a LeBron hater, I have to love him? I personally DON'T LIKE HIM and I have on-the-court (flopping, boring (but extremely intelligent) playstyle, crying to refs) and off-the-court (cherry-picking social justice activities, calling himself the goat, joining or creating superteams, supporting potential human rights violation before proper research, which ends up being funny) reasons for that. That does not mean that I do not, objectively, put him as the 2nd greatest to ever touch the basketball. Am I a hater according to you/your definition?

@Jdub3amigo

3 жыл бұрын

@@bartphilips2222 no the only person I can understand saying better then Lebron is Jordan I think ole goat James better tho that’s just me and why do u say creating super team this isn’t the 80 people wanna play with other good people

@bartphilips2222

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jdub3amigo on one hand - you're right, on the other - he's had a special status since the day he was drafted, which means he can be more efficient in forming these "superteams" or joining them. if you add the huge help he gets from the league management (refs decisions, other weird situations like draymonds suspension) you end up with a very sad picture. in my humble opinion he's great, he's 2nd, but he's also been carried, not only by his teammates.

“Quick! We need a topic to fill a 30 minute block what should they talk about?”

@darvinakachulo1998

3 жыл бұрын

“What should we talk about”.

@darvinakachulo1998

3 жыл бұрын

@Bill Pap. I understand too, that’s why I’m correcting. He’s using 1 person and 3 person for his statement.

there is no debate. only one stayed with his team the entire time and lifted them to greatness. he never jumped from team to team trying to take the easy path to greatness. period

LeBron stans are so insecure How petty is it to ask for ‘respect’ each time You feel he’s disrespected when anyone disagrees with their opinion

It just doesn't feel right hearing "the late Kobe Bryant" 😔

@russelljohnson437

3 жыл бұрын

Yup smh

@kevinmeadows6580

3 жыл бұрын

i still got kobe over bron

@epictubegamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmeadows6580 he isnt all time

MJ will be # 1, ALWAYS

@coreythomas3633

3 жыл бұрын

Not always LOL

@dmv_shoes7058

3 жыл бұрын

Your opinion

Whenever I see the words "LeBron" and "GOAT" I feel compelled to look back on his almighty resume: In 2004 was named Rookie of the Year despite Carmelo Anthony averaging more points, rebounds, blocks, shooting better from FG and 3pt, higher PER, and led his Nuggets to a playoff berth unlike LeBron who wouldn't reach the playoffs until his 3rd season. Also in 2004, takes home his first bronze medal at the Olympic Games. In 2006, became the only MVP in NBA history to lose at multiple international events, even losing to a Greece team that was void of one single NBA player enroute to his second consecutive bronze medal (World Championships). The biggest game of LeBron's career to date came in the 2007 ECF close-out game vs Detroit. He struggled all game long finishing with just 20 points on 25% shooting while rookie bench player Daniel "Boobie" Gibson secured Cleveland the victory with 37 points on 78% shooting to eliminate the Pistons. LeBron's shooting woes continued into the finals, held to just 22ppg on 36% shooting by 35 year old Bruce Bowen. Despite LeBron's poor form, two of the four games in LeBron's first finals sweep were decided by one possession; three points or less. 2008 - "Hey Kobe, get on TeamUSA dawg, I can't take home a third bronze medal" 2009-2011 LeBron became the first and only MVP in NBA history to be eliminated by lower seeds for THREE consecutive years. '09 the 66-16 Cavs with the 3rd best offence and 4th best defense in the NBA go down to the one all-star 59-23 Magic in the ECF, '10 the 61-21 Cavs go down to the 50-32 Celtics in the 2nd round in which his own GM Dan Gilbert publicly accused him of "quitting on the series" after a double-figure turnover effort in the close-out game, and '11 the "Heatles" lose with home-court advantage to the Mavericks. "The key to this series is, can LeBron stop Jason Terry?" - Magic Johnson. Also in 2011, LeBron made his 2nd entry into the biggest finals scoring discrepancies of all time. His 17ppg together with his 22ppg from the 2007 finals were both virtually double figures below his season averages both years, and are the biggest discrepancies in the shot-clock era. 2012 - to win his first championship, needed to join forces with two of the other top five picks from his own draft class (Wade and Bosh), two record-holding shooters (M Miller and Battier), hall of fame Manager of Basketball Operations Pat Riley and join a franchise who had won the championship just four years prior to his signing; Miami Heat 2006 champions. 2013 - thank you Ray! In 2014 LeBron and his "Heatles" lose by an NBA playoff record 71 point deficit where the average margin of defeat was 14ppg to the oldest starting five in NBA history who they had just beaten the year prior. 2015 LeBron decided to shatter finals missed field goal records by missing an average of 21 shots through the first three games. He would finish shooting under 40% for the 2nd time in his finals career and despite his poor shooting and the absence of Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving, the Cavs still manage to take eventual champion Warriors to six games, proving the 2016 finals was the most over-glorified in NBA history with the return of Love and Irving (heavy favorites). Also 2015 - allowed the 2015 Warriors to become the first team since Jordan's 1991 Bulls to win a championship without any finals experience on their roster. In 2016 ESPN publish "Final second shots are tough, just ask LeBron James" who show us that since his first attempt in 2006, had shot just 5-for-47 on go-ahead and game-winning field goal attempts up until the conclusion of the 2016 season, a mere 10.6%. For his career, is 0-for-6 under such conditions in the finals, two of which were lay-ups. 2017-18 LeBron watched his direct small forward match-up take home the finals MVP trophy for the 3rd and 4th times; Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala, and Kevin Durant twice consecutively. Also 2018 - to accompany his world record for a series losing margin, in the 2018 finals LeBron lost the close-out game by NBA record 23 points in which he'd given up by half time and only attempted four shots in the final 30 minutes of the game. Also 2018 - became one of just three players in NBA history to average more than four turnovers in consecutive seasons. In 2019 we witnessed LeBron "activate playoff mode early" only to finish 11 wins behind the 8th seed and again proved he can't reach the playoffs without a multiple all-star roster (2004, 2005, 2019). 2020 saw the arrival of Anthony Davis who led the Lakers in points, rebounds, blocks, steals, FG%, FT% and PER enroute to capturing the Disneyland Championship while LeBron became the first wing player in NBA history to shoot below 70% from the FT line in four separate seasons; 2007, 2017, 2019 and 2020. And a few miscellaneous points of interest: - has only ever led his peers in the league in just two statistical categories; a scoring title from 2008 and an assist title from the shortened 2020 season - has only won one championship without multiple all-star team mates both averaging above 19ppg on the season (Wade and Bosh with Miami, Love and Irving with Cleveland). The lone championship he won with AD leading the Lakers in almost every statistical category came against a 5th seed who were down two starters in four out of the six games of the series. - despite ring-chasing ever since his infamous conference call to Melo and Wade in 2006, still hasn't surpassed the championship tally obtained by his peers 15 years later; is tied with Ginobili and Parker (4) and trails Bryant and Duncan (5); some may also argue Horry (7). - is a Ray Allen three pointer and a Kyrie Irving three pointer away from having the same amount of NBA championships as bronze medals. - is yet to show he can overcome adversity or win as the underdog, and has lost multiple playoff series as the heavy favorite (all outlined in detail above). - holds the NBA record for most finals game losses (33, tied with Jerry West) and is 2nd all time in finals series losses (Jerry West, 8). - 1st all time in turnovers committed, holds individual records for turnovers in a finals series, entire playoff run, close-out game, etc. - the all-time record for First Team All-Defensive selections is 9 (held by Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant). Lebron is barely half that with five; in direct comparison to MJ who was the 1988 Defensive Player of the Year and only player in NBA history to register above 200 steals and 100 blocks simultaneously in multiple seasons, LeBron's best defensive season he finished with 137 steals and 93 blocks (2009). - personal owner of the longest flopping compilation on KZread.

@nks3ak263

3 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

1991 nba finals and 1993 nba finals, john paxson saved mjs legacy by hitting clutch shots. 1997 nba finals game 6, the cold blooded michael jeffrey jordan passes the ball to steve kerr for a mid range shot, mj was afraid of double teams (although he scored through double teams in his career), so he let a role player take the last shot, with 5 seconds remaining jazz inbound the ball, scottie pippen steal and assists toni kukoc on a fastbreak dunk to win the championships, so in conclusion, john paxson steve kerr scottie pippen toni kukoc saved mjs legacy multiple times.

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion Jordan is the greatest scorer to play basketball an average 30.1 ppg can't be argued with, neither is the fact that mjs 22.9 shot attempts per game is the 2nd most in history. I have him as a top 20 defender of all time although not a great low post defender. However, he's not the greatest player of all time as the media hypes him to be. The myth that MJ makes everybody better around him needs to be put to rest. MJ is a great individual player but his play doesn't boost the play of those around him like Bird or Magic did, the game is a team sport not a one on one game. Now your probably telling yourself how can MJ be overrated if he won 6 rings ? well yeah he won 6 rings but he won those 6 rings in the weakest competitive era of nba basketball. why were the 90s the weakest era in nba history ? expansion teams. from 1989 to 1996 6 new teams were added to the nba that watered down the league to its lowest talent level in history. its no accident that the bulls won 72 games at the height of the expansion league era in 1996,with the grizzlies and raptors checking in that year. If you think those bulls would have won 6 rings and 72 games in the 80s then you need to crack down the pipe and walk away please. For example if you take 23 ounces of whiskey and add 6 ounces of water to it does its strength remain the same ? no, does it get stonger ? No, does it become weaker, like the 90s NBA ? Of course it does. it isnt even that complicated. In 1971 the bucks won 66 games and in 1972 the lakers won 69 games after expansion teams were added. doesnt mean they are great teams, just less competition created by the expansion. During that time only 3 new teams were added. there were players starting for new teams in the 90s what wouldnt have even got a tryout for an 80s team. MJ himself was replaced by a CBA player, Pete Myers in 1994 and the bulls only dropped 2 games worse in the regular season that year. The competition was so bad during mjs last season in 1998, 5 teams in the NBA failed to win 20 or more games. You had: Toronto Raptors:16-66 Denver Nuggets:11-71 Vancouver Grizzlies:19-63 Golden State Warriors:19-63 Los Angeles Clippers:17-65 and we add in the Dallas Mavericks at 20-62, these teams were the worst teams ! The 1980s was a virtual cream of the crop hall of famers, Celtics had Bird Mchale Parish, sixers had Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Darryl Dawkins, Charles Barkley, Mo Cheeks and after they got through beating each other to death, they would have to face a rested Lakers team with Magic and Kareem who are arguably 2 of the top 5 greatest players of all time, on one team +worthy and Micheal Cooper who is one of the best and smartest defenders of all time. the Bulls faced none of this caliber, especially in the east where they cake walked to the finals every year but one with jordan. Let's take a look at the toughest teams MJ had to go through to earn his titles in the east. the 1990s Knicks had one hall of famer Patrick Ewing a great defender but never in the conversation about great offensive centers. that was about it, Ewing had a bunch of role players. Oakley, Rivers, Starks, Mark Jackson, Xavier Mcdaniel, Greg Anthony, Anthony Mason, none of these players are hall of famers. the 1990s Knicks were great on defense but their offense was always near the bottom of the league throughout the 1990s. The 1991 Pistons: that year the Pistons would have gave MJ and his Bulls a fight if Isiah Thomas had not broke his wrist, Thomas missed 32 games during the season and 1 game during the playoffs to do his broken wrist that affected him in the playoffs. During the 1990s the guards of the Celtics, the Pistons, the Lakers were old and injured, also affected by the expansion overtaken by the younger teams. clearly these were not the same caliber teams of the 1980s. the 1991 Celtics started the season 29-5 before Bird and later Mchale went down. was this because the 1991 Celtics were such a great team ? No, this Celtics team would have not competed in the 1980s. they got a 56-26 record despite injuries of Bird and Mchale because expansion teams boosted up their win column. If Bird and Mchale didnt go down with injuries they would have won the 1991 title. the 1991 championship was ripe for the taking because of the expansion teams. The Indiana Pacers: when your best player is a 3 point shooter that plays little defense, you know you aint gonna make much of a dent in the playoffs. Reggie Miller is an outside shooter, a hall of famer, Chris Mullin is also a hall of famer and an outside shooter but not a good defender. you can say this was a cake walk for the Bulls. The Cavs: there were no hall of famers and this was the same Cavs team that lost to the bulls in 1994 without MJ. The Magic: one of the few good teams MJ faced in the east. Shaq was a legit big man, grant was a great inside defender and rebounder, Hardaway was a very good guard before his injuries, they beat the Bulls in 1995. in 1996 Bulls faced the Magic again but this time Bulls had Rodman. Grant was fighting an elbow injury the entire playoffs. the Bulls again caught a break and the Magic are left without their best interior defender and 2nd leading rebounder. unfortunately for the Magic in 1996 Grant was injured in the 1st game and didnt play the remainder of the series. it was Shaq and Penny vs MJ Pippen Rodman, The Bulls won in 1996. Now MJ's competition in the finals: the 1991 Lakers were not even a little bit close to the 1980s Showtime Lakers. no Kareem arguably a top 5 player of all time, a huge presence in the low post, no Micheal Cooper who is considered by many the greatest defender in nba history, in their place there was Sam Perkins a 7 footer that played more behind the 3 point line than he did in the paint and he was a labeled as a soft defender in his career, he flopped and didnt play much defense. an intimidating front line, they were not. despite all this, Magic would have had a chance to beat the Bulls if James Worthy didnt suffer a high sprain ankle against the Blazers, Worthy no longer had quickness or lateral movement for the remainder of the playoffs, the injury affected him throughout the finals, Byron Scott also went down with an injury late in the finals against the Bulls and couldnt play in game 5, Worthy also missed game 5. so basically it was Bulls vs Magic and Magic put up a good fight than MJ would have put if the roles were reversed. 1992 : Blazers: they had one hall of famer: Clyde Drexler and umm... well yeah thats all they had, not much competition at all. blazers also had no inside presence to speak of, a recurring theme in mjs finals matchups, easy ring for mj. 1993:Pheonix Suns: Barkley is a great hofer but he only had KJ on his team, a decent player but no hofer, again no post defense on the suns. tallest player for them was Tom Chambers 6'10" one of the softest defenders of all time. this isnt even the best team barkley played on, the 1985 and 1986 sixers with Dr J, Malone, Cheeks, and Barkley would have wiped the floor with 1993 Bulls and Suns. 1990s teams sucked, the 1993 Suns may have won 62 games against the expansion league but they would struggle to a .500 record in the 80s. 1996 sonics they had hofer Gary Payton a great defender and good scorer, they also had Shawn Kemp a player that would show up fat and out of shape at summer camps. so the sonics had a good defender and a lazy underachiever. Sonics had no inside defensive presence. MJ is free to cake walk to the basket all series. Sonics won 64 games, but its easy to win that number of games in a chump expansion league, they wouldnt have hit .500 in 1986, can you say "no competition". 1997 Utah Jazz: many jockers point to the finals against the Jazz as evidence the Bulls would have beaten the 1980s teams. well in fact the Jazz did have 2 hall of famers: John Stockton and Karl Malone who are also 2 of the 50 greatest players in nba history. lets compare:we have Malone Stockton of the 1980s vs Malone Stockton of the 1990s, I'll call this one a draw. at the forward position jazz had thurl bailey a 6'11" powerful and quick forward. the 1990s Jazz had Bryon Russell who didnt even average double figures in ppg for his career. Bailey was a better scorer, better low post defender, better rebounder, averages more assists per game than Bryon Russell. Bailey wins hands down. at center the 1980s Jazz had Mark Eaton who is 7'4", the greatest shot blocker in the modern basketball era. Eaton once averaged 5.6 blocks per game in a single season still a record that stands. all time he averages 3.5 blocks per game wich is also a record that still stands today. the 1990s Jazz had Greg Ostertag, or maybe POSTERtag. the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed MJ and his Bulls. why ? because the 1980s Jazz wich mark Eaton in the lineup gave the 1980s Jordan fits. from 1985 to 1993 the Jazz with mark eaton were 9-7 against mjs Bulls. there would be no waltzing into the lane for MJ against Eaton and Bailey like he did to Ostertag and Bryon Russell. the 1987 Jazz took the LA Lakers to 7 games, you think the 1997 Jazz could do that ? the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed the 1990s Jazz. so we see again, a weak inside presence of the Utah Jazz wich gives MJ 2 more easy rings.

@johng4099

2 жыл бұрын

​@@dynamic6645 In 1991, the Bulls destroyed the Lakers so I don't see what you're talking about there. Lakers at best could have won 2 games that series. And sure Paxson hit the game winner against the Suns but even if they lost that game there would have been a game 7. Chicago beat the Suns the first 2 games at home, they could have still won game 7. Lebron always needed to stack his teams to win so I don't know why people always regard him as the greatest or second greatest ever. His legacy is nowhere as great as so many of the other greatest to play. His 2 Heat championships are a joke since he had 2 other all stars on the one championship & for the other he had 2 all stars plus the greatest 3 point shooter of all time at that point in time on his team. He also choked bad against the Mavericks which right then automatically never allowed him to be the greatest ever. Than he won against the Warriors due to some bs Draymond Green suspension. Warriors likely would have won in 5 games that series. Than the lame bubble championship was the other one. Jordan's record is almost completely clean in terms of his legacy. The only two knocks I hold against him is that he shouldn't of retired 3 different times & he should have beat the Pistons in 1990. Lebron is one of the greatest individual players of all time but there's way too many things you can hold against him in terms of his legacy for him to ever be the greatest.

If you think MJ is the goat, you're instantly labeled a LeBron hater. If you think LeBron's the goat, you're instantly labeled as a Jordan hater. This will never change simply because people don't want to listen

"You.. you.. you, do not want go there... You do NOT... You do not want.. you... YOU DO NOT wanna bring up.. you do not wanna......" Perk really has a way with words 💯

@kintarooe7745

3 жыл бұрын

xD exactly, a savant with words

@cm-15

3 жыл бұрын

Lmaooo😂

Max and SAS: "We got nothing to talk about today" ESPN bosses: "Do the GOAT discussion you havent done that for 11 days"

@jdm3801

3 жыл бұрын

Soooooo true

@uganda823

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@hybrid1339

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

They can replay the same “debate” they did 5 years ago and no one would notice.

It was very difficult to hear “the late” Kobe ....

Here is how to settle this debate: LeBron copied Jordan’s number.

@ChocoAfriman

3 жыл бұрын

At least Bron is his own player, Kobe copied Jordan’s Everything, except the number. Even dressed and went bald like that man

@2dreamtr798

3 жыл бұрын

With logic like that no wonder ur not in the HOF

@JayJ95X

3 жыл бұрын

And boom, just like that the Bron nuthuggers go quiet, they glorify mediocrity in the sense of him being 4-7 in finals

@magodtrick3166

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChocoAfriman Kobe is a knock off version of MJ and he’s still more skilled than LeBum. That’s sad.

@KPRackz

3 жыл бұрын

@@magodtrick3166 facts but dont direspect Bron

Jordan and LeBron sit at the same table, but Jordan eats first, thats my opinion

@randychristian2250

3 жыл бұрын

Nah Jordan and Kobe are at both ends with Jordan in the Throne Chair. Lebron is sitting in a side seat.

@FatedFury

3 жыл бұрын

@@randychristian2250 lmao u good lbj better then kobe we can have this debate

@bryanlopez4994

3 жыл бұрын

Love Kobe but lebron is better and Jordan is the Goat plain and simple

@SebastianRodriguez-zm8km

3 жыл бұрын

@@bryanlopez4994 thank you your actually smart

I only remember Perkins because of his highlights in SHAQtin a fool

Bruh, how many times do we need to hear the same topic, the same points, and same positions over and over again???

Why did they cut the video it was getting great 😂

first take got a lot of content and different topics for the next 5 years about lebron and Jordan😂🤦🏻‍♂️ there is no comparisons between Jordan and Lebron even if Lebron win 7 rings Jordan will always be Jordan and will always will be the best player that ever touched a basketball

@errorerror5851

3 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, I had to read that 5 times

They really been talking about the same topic for years now

GOAT of GOATS JORDAN