The Mig-23ML is definitely the best premium of this update

@thesovietvorona1007

Жыл бұрын

I disagree I slap with my Kfir constantly against em.

@thesovietvorona1007

Жыл бұрын

That is when I don’t G Lock

@user-sx8wz7pm1c

Жыл бұрын

​@@thesovietvorona1007Tengo netz en 1 semana

@EyeTouchKids

Жыл бұрын

@@thesovietvorona1007What does this even prove? The Kfir is objectively worse in basically every way other than ground pounding.

I have flown the non premium F1C extensively. It is ok as a support jet, but terrible in a dogfight. It will be out maneuvered by ANY top tier jet. You will curse this thing ANY time someone starts turning, and you quickly fall behind because it turns like a dump truck. The radar will easily lose tracking on anything that isn't flying upward at a steep angle. Thus, the semi active missiles are nearly worthless in most scenarios. If you buy this thing, save yourself a lot of headaches and use the load out with 3 IR missiles and 2 gun pods. Stay back to the side until the enemy engages, then just lob IR missiles at them once they low on energy and hope something connects. After that, try to help clean up with the 4 30 mm cannons. Sadly, your experience will depend entirely on whether the rest of your team is really good. If they are, you'll get some easy mop up kills and do well. If not, you will do nothing and die.

@pleasesubtomespookston

2 ай бұрын

I disagree with you on the turning and the radar, in the recent months it has been buffed and is now much better at turning and the radar is probably my favorite.

This is one of the premiums I do not regret buying. I was able to grind the entire French air tech tree over 5 days during a holiday break, and I did not have to play all day to do it. I highly recommend this aircraft over the Milan.

@Archmagos_Faber

Жыл бұрын

over the milan yes but its not worth full price, its missiles are very unreliable and it is not manoeuvrable enough compared to what its faces.

People complained about this aircraft so much gaijin added 2000c, now that it’s a premium French players are celebrating 🎉😂

@TacticalmailmanII

Жыл бұрын

The French complain about everything. So does everyone. I hate the war thunder community

@legendbee9579

Жыл бұрын

@@TacticalmailmanII there are some bias towards some specific vehicles but China and France are the nations with least bias probably, for example Swedish cv9040 still did not get its radar lock while Bmp2m puma and bradly got them. I can understand people that get mad about that

@nikolasweintritt5226

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s almost a free kill in my f16, so keep celebrating

@gumduck2504

Жыл бұрын

Seeing how it's a first jet premium that doesn't depend on bombing no doubt people are celebrating

@willsimpson3783

Жыл бұрын

Tell me French players trigger you without telling me.

I’m just gonna say it, the Mirage F1 is basically just a Phantom with less missiles, you play it almost exactly the same as say the F-4J, long range support fighter with access to good missiles

@naylanjay

Жыл бұрын

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@balthasargelt4075

Жыл бұрын

2 good missiles and the rest is trash

@xela79

Жыл бұрын

The f4j gets a way better SARH missile and radar though

@norinco8724

Жыл бұрын

the radar and fox1s suck

I think this plane under performs when facing mass F-16s and other Apex Pred tech tree planes. I wish it carried more magic 2's.... the radar 530F missiles suck nuts since 1 flare will make it a wasted shot and the Matra missiles are basically the same way. I been trying to play it and I suffer most of the time I feel like

@patriktoth6258

8 ай бұрын

It's late. But Magic2's are compensate every bad thing about this plane even tho its got only 2. In sim these missiles are the best compared to what i used (Aim9L,R60M,Aim9J). Also a little bit flare resistant

How is this "arguably the best tier 7 premium aircraft"? Even arguing from a multirole standpoint, the F-4J is a better jet, it has a PD radar with Skyflashes that won't be chaffed easily (CW vs Pulse seekerhead), it has enough ordinance to bomb a base+, it has a vulcan and it can maneuver better than the F1C. The only redeeming factor of the F1s are the Magic 2s and the number of flares. I get Tankenstein is more a Ground player, but if anyone here wants jet recommendations watch Defyn instead.

Buying it as soon as I sell event vehicles, time to get that Mirage 2K finally.

@Cooper-dx4ms

Жыл бұрын

Well worth it. The Mirage 2k is my fav top tier aircraft.

@xeonkitcat1119

Жыл бұрын

Talismen something

@Ackz89

Жыл бұрын

@@Cooper-dx4ms is it good? I've been wanting to grind a non bias less favourite nation. Looking at French and Swedish and trying decide which tree to put my time into! It's really between the mirage 2k and new jakviggen as I like the delta designs.. how good is the mirage radar, more so at low alts and keeping lock? The magic's draw me into it more so than the sweeds

@Cooper-dx4ms

Жыл бұрын

@@Ackz89 I have the ja37c viggen and I do love the viggen because, like you, I love deltas. But I must say the mirage 2000 is the most fun I’ve had at top tier. The magic 2’s and flight performance is amazing. The radar is definitely one of the best radars I’ve used in game. You hardly lose your lock and the missiles almost always hit the target. The only down side is the matra supers are a little slow compared to other fox 1’s, however, I find them to be more reliable.

@thesovietvorona1007

Жыл бұрын

@@Ackz89 I just grinded Israel in 3/4ths of a month and the C.7 Kfir is imo better than the F-16 if you max crew it.

I have this thing and I absolutely love it. Only the radar is not that good since flares counter it incredibly easily Edit: some people don't read all the comments which is fine. I meant Chaff* not Flares.

@fepipe2153

Жыл бұрын

You mean chaff?

@AlexJohnson-kv6tr

Жыл бұрын

you need to use mti mode

@Austrium1483

Жыл бұрын

It’s nice but what I have heard the mirage f1 is one of the worst top tier planes

@Austrium1483

Жыл бұрын

It’s nice but what I have heard the mirage f1 is one of the worst top tier planes

@offcy3318

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexJohnson-kv6tr how?

The Mirage F1C I consider a jack of all trades so I like it a lot

@user-zv9zm9uy4e

Жыл бұрын

jack of all trades would imply that it is versatile... it is not. its a french stick covered in shit, the worst 11.3 and the only thing that can describe the f1c is master of none without the jack of all trades

@JStef19

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zv9zm9uy4e clearly just an opinion if others think its a fairly good across the board!

@user-zv9zm9uy4e

Жыл бұрын

@@JStef19 its not an optinion Its factual

@EyeTouchKids

Жыл бұрын

@@JStef19not an opinion this thing is dogshit

@bamaman6478

9 ай бұрын

​@@user-zv9zm9uy4eok mr "I heard a KZreadr say this so Ima go with it because I cant form my own opinions on a aircraft I have no experience with"

While the Milan is decent, it's no F-5C or A-5C. So an even more decent premium is appreciated. I just wish it was more unique and not copy-paste...

If the super 530F was modeled correctly the f1c would be the best premium but gaijin said fuck it and ignored the bug reports

In my book, saying, "Sixty-nine dollars and 99 cents, USD" doesn't make it an acceptable price! The 70 dollar pricing really rubs me the wrong way! Really!

@markb8426

Жыл бұрын

Fuck me 11 dollars an hour my poor ass can dream.

"8th strength: good radar" Tankenstein whag are you smoking

@cameronporter5137

Жыл бұрын

The radar is actually pretty solid. The seekerhead on the S530F's are what's bad (as in actually worse than the AIM7C bad)

@theneef174

Жыл бұрын

​@Cameron Porter no, it's not.

@Archmagos_Faber

Жыл бұрын

he must get some of the sweet gaijin profit to push this trash premium

Could you make a recomendation on what vehicles to possibly buy on the 50% sale? im not sure what to get and whats good anymore, Cheers.

@Tankenstein

Жыл бұрын

Once the sale comes around, I'll probably make a video. Because I don't know how the sale will be (bundles, solo discounts, etc), it's impossible for me to recommend anything.

@TheGrace020

Жыл бұрын

@@Tankenstein Oh i see i thought the sale was already going on until the 29th of dec. Okay then :) happy holidays and happy new year

needs French music to further enrich the review. And Tank needs a glass of wine while flying the plane

Just an update on how this thing performs. Max uptiers to 12.3 every game? Yup. Terrible radar with no PD at 11.3? Yup. Slower than most other aircraft at your BR while still bleeding fuel like hell? Yup. Good dogfighter? Nope How much will it cost you? Yes Are the aircraft that it gets you worth it? No, if you want decent dorito wing aircraft and you want to have a fun grind just get the J35XS and grind for the top tiers there, I've done it and It barely took me a month to do so (I didnt use GE. Yes I had a premium account.) I can't stand playing any games in this aircraft and while the J35XS has significant weaknesses the strengths far outdo them. Don't @ me. Edit: It's good in ground RB for CAS so long as you're careful. Thats about it though.

It can super cruise at most altitudes

This thing sucks DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY. 1) it's outperformed by literally everything at 11.3. 2) the radar and the radar missiles are some of the easiest to notch and chaff in the game 3) you can't even carry a full bomb load with the x2 magics so it's either full air to air or full air to ground.

@Marfius_Au_Marfongus

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean you can’t carry a full bomb load with the magic 2s? Bombs can’t go on the wingtips

@jblakemore

Жыл бұрын

@@Marfius_Au_Marfongus it's over the max weight

@Cat.with.sunglases

4 ай бұрын

Seems like a skill issue to me. Because i usally get minimum 3 plane kills every game

Tankenstein do you think that the new premiums should have stayed at the 60$ price point?

@offcy3318

Жыл бұрын

I think it makes sense they increased the price because what you are getting is a big difference, for say the Milan compared to this Mirage F1c. Imo

@legendbee9579

Жыл бұрын

Everything is getting more expensive no wonder gaijin also are increasing the prices

@depilot2035

Жыл бұрын

@@legendbee9579 yeah

@juventus7131

Жыл бұрын

They base the pricing on the rank of the veh. So they higher the rank, the more expensive. Hence why all other vehicles stayed the same price.

@Tankenstein I disagree with you on the guns, in my experience once you figure out how to use the guns they can deal a devastating blow to anything it hits.

Do you know how to change the death message?

as a player with 2000 hours lsn to this , if you are a new player this will be hell for you you are going to play vs f14/f16 and you will keep dying . any jet at11BR and above is going to be a lot of times vs f14/16 so only buy things below that BR . the reason war thunder put those jets is to revive the high tire matches so it wont be f14/16 vs f14/16 match, and after you buy this jet at 11.3 BR you will want to spend more money to a lower tire jet why? , your dying and not having fun remember? even i , A player with 2000 hours i wont buy those jets . if you all ready bought a jet at 11 BR or above , i`m so sorry for being late. reach level 3 on aviation and use bombers to grind an event seasons and sell those vehicles and get your self a jet below 11BR :) idk why you want a USSR aviation USA tec tree is ruling right now, but the su25k is the best deal for USSR now . you don`t want to lsn ? fine mate we will feast on you with f14/16 enjoy :)

Mig-23 ML is still the better buy for Air RB

@mando_dablord2646

Жыл бұрын

It's not just about what premium is best, it's about what nations they go with. If people don't want to play Russia there's no reason to buy the Mig-23.

@zak9100

Жыл бұрын

no its not , you guys just want to feast on those new players and get kills for your f14/16 because you cant even kill other players playing the same jet .

@EyeTouchKids

Жыл бұрын

@@zak9100Are you sane? The MiG-23ML is vastly superior to this plane in every way.

Wait 30mm DEFAs suck lol??? Those are my fav guns. I think I’m gonna cop it to get the Mirage 4000 and it’s in a better br spot since they added 12.7

Bruh this plane needs to be 11.0 it just can't even compete with the MiG-21Bis's and MiG-23M's, why this plane is 11.3 why it fights planes are more capable in every single way idk, and if you even see that your fighting the US you might as well just leave, this thing can't even think about fighting F-14's and F-16 just mop it across the floor. The R550 2's feel way more FLR hungary than the R550 1 and just shit it randomly when going after someone. The Super 530F is so fucking mid, like it will go for CHF&FLR when I still have RDR lock on a plane, it act's are if it's a heat seeker some time's with how shit it can be sometimes. Also Idk if it's just me but I feel as if FLR & CHF don't do shit in this plane like I cut burner and pop like 20 units against a Aim-9L and it dose fuck all yet I play my MiG-21SMT and a A-10 fire's a 9-L at me I cut burner and pop once maybe twice and it goes for it every time. This Plane is just so Mid, it has so much potential but It can't make use of any of it at 11.3 and the Fact that the Mirage 2000 is at the same BR and out preforms it hands down should say something, God every time I play this thing I wand to kms, like I wanna know what people's KD and win rates are in this thing cuz fuck mine's bad I have a 1-4kd and a 35% win rate like fuck. Plus I have never been down tired in this plane, yet I have seen Mirage 2000's get down tired somewhat often yet you never this thing. Out of all the Premiums I have bought this is the only one I wish I could refund.

aww, he got gaijined here: 7:26

Mig 21 bis lazur is hella fine

the mirage f1c is the worst 11.3 in the game. get the ml, or the lazur. you have to talisman planes in the french tech tree

@kobenrivers1189

Жыл бұрын

Go back to Defyn man the F1C is not the worst 11.3 in the game people just don’t play the plane right.

@kobenrivers1189

Жыл бұрын

It comes down to Opinion and what tech tree you play. For instance I am buying the F1 as the French tree is the last techtree I’m grinding for a while.

@AL164

Жыл бұрын

@@kobenrivers1189 I’d like to see you play the plane right, if you say that defyn is wrong

@kobenrivers1189

Жыл бұрын

@@AL164 will be once I have it. Ambush tactics are how to use it. Don’t bother with the SARH missiles go for the bigger IR missiles and the Magic 2s and flank. Boring gameplay but you’ll get 2-3 kills average with it.

@kobenrivers1189

Жыл бұрын

@@AL164 the issue with defyn and other CCs is they go for high kill games to show on KZread making they’re play style very aggressive. The F1 isn’t a aggressive plane.

When is the premium packs sale coming?

How can i add a pilot in the cockpit first person view?

Is there one where you rated the plane 10/10 dogfighting

At least if you have money and you want two Mirage F1C, you can go for it if you're a collector 😌

@D4RKMA7TER

Жыл бұрын

nice common sense info bro

I would absolutely recommend this plane. Great missiles. Great bomb loadout. Handles well. The flares are numerous. Great in a dogfight. Plus so good looking

@EyeTouchKids

Жыл бұрын

Great in a dogfight? It’s absolutely horrendous.

@bamaman6478

9 ай бұрын

​@@EyeTouchKidsif you dont know how to force an overshoot

Bro when I looked at it, it was 93.99 without Tax LUL

@under_score0

Жыл бұрын

different currencies.

Tankenstein might recommend it, but F1C in my experience is far from a beginner airplane, very far. the performance are ever so slightly less than okay, the acceleration is not that great either, & has limited ordnance. this is the first plane in the world to ever shot down an F-14, u can even turn in on a stupid F-14 player in the game, it gets the job done. but getting urself into that category will leave u with tremendous pain & long learning curve.. but some point i can agree, Magic 2 is far better than R-60Ms present on MiG-23ML, also better than AIM-9Ps on F-104S, SAAB 35FS, & Japanese F-4EJ ADTW. though i should say the best premium this update brought has to be the F.3 Phantom, its probably the heaviest loaded Multirole premium in the game as for now, has pretty crazy dogfight capability & insane amount of air-to-air armaments, and tell u what, Skyflash > AIM-7E(DF)+ R-24R + R.530F Super, & AIM-9G > R-60M, all day, fight me.

Do yourself a favor and never use the super 530. It’s totally a dead weight missile. Use gunpods or 530Es.

It seems like that France always gets the worst premiums, first the Milan with no flares and now this. I’m still using the Milan’s to finish this nation tho.

@PotatoeJoe69

Жыл бұрын

This isn't a bad premium. It's pretty damn good. The 530 supers are okay, and right now the Magic 2's are absolutely, unequivocally the best IR missiles in the game.

@Austrium1483

Жыл бұрын

@@PotatoeJoe69 what I don’t like about the Magic 2 is that they need 2 seconds before they start tracking, that’s really annoying especially since this missile is designed for dogfighting

@kobenrivers1189

Жыл бұрын

@@Austrium1483 so what if you’re firing the magic 2 in that 2 second delay area then you’re too close to be using the F1C effectively slashing attacks are the best to use for it

@Austrium1483

Жыл бұрын

@@kobenrivers1189 I mean the missile is great, but it sucks that it takes two seconds after launch, before it starts tracking. Maybe they will fix that some time because In DCS that’s not how it works

@under_score0

Жыл бұрын

ive been using the vautour 2n, its been an absolute shitshow to work with. every game is usually an uptier to 10.0 and bases get stolen by the harriers and su7s that catch up. a10s and su25s magnet to it because its a jet bomber and its very weak in defense. the only thing i can do at all is to bomb a base and try and get a headon kill with my AA20s. the milan was not out at the time i purchased the vautour unfortunately. however, the milan is still a struggle bus france really does suffer. no idea why i even grinded it.

what camos does it have?

Now do the F-104S TAF

Is this aircraft fkin good?

"Fantastic in air battles" yeah, you dont know what you're talking about bud. Every jet KZreadr out here all basically agree that the F1C is one of the worst performing jet in air RB.

@theoescamez6230

Жыл бұрын

if youtubers say so....

@theneef174

Жыл бұрын

@@theoescamez6230 Having spades both tech tree F1: The plane is fucking dogshit.

Yeah..... no this plane is ass compared to everything it sees

This plane, even better than the F 16 Falcon, still crap.

this plane has a very bad radar and doesn't gain radar lock easily and is very easy to lose radar lock.

Ok but what’s better, the mirage or the mig 23 ml?!🧐

@balthasargelt4075

Жыл бұрын

Ofc its the ML..

@zak9100

Жыл бұрын

su25k for USSR not mig23 ml f14/16 will keep killing you and you wont grind in peace

Is this thing any good in sim?

@jackmuehlheuser5789

Жыл бұрын

No you get clapped

@jackmuehlheuser5789

Жыл бұрын

It’s kinda shit

@ryanwarkentin4706

Жыл бұрын

@@jackmuehlheuser5789 lol thanks for the honest response

@zak9100

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanwarkentin4706 for real they will eat you.

@garlic5065

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanwarkentin4706 very bad in arb as well, just bad in general

this comment section sounds like a bunch of skill issues 😨😨

I'm stuck between buying the Mig23 and the Mirage F1

@D4RKMA7TER

Жыл бұрын

Mig23 is safe and EZ cuz putin lovers make the game, and the Mirage requires skill and game knowledge