Love how Gaijin went „we don’t know if this aircraft could carry these weapons“ … it’s literally the aircraft the airforce will test any weapon on before it is integrated. This thing should be able to carry more weapons than any other tornado in the German tech tree

@MagnumLoadedTractor

Ай бұрын

No GBUs despite other variants having them...

Love how the recent cheater nuke has removed the vast majority of the instant flares… lots of missile kills at 10.0-11.3 again

@annguyenlehoang7779

7 ай бұрын

And here i am i always thought every player at high tier jet are super good at the game and i just lacking skill :')

@spookaychoco2860

7 ай бұрын

@@annguyenlehoang7779 Right?? Even diving on ppl with missiles, they just knew all the time somehow

@broozkej8518

7 ай бұрын

I might be feeling it in ground rb too, I’ve dropped two nukes in two days

@Idk-cz9ms

7 ай бұрын

I never thought about that

@flynntaggart8549

7 ай бұрын

as someone with 4000 hours, 3000 in air rb... i have noticed zero change. i always assumed the reason that you don't need anticheat enabled to play air battles was because aimbot is inherently inaccurate when you have bullet travel and your targets are sometimes literally moving at the speed of sound, and esp is pointless because everyone is in the open air and can be spotted as a black dot when far away. literally no one cheats in air rb, and if they are, the benefits from doing so are negligible.

if they dropped the tornados to 10.7, they would probably be pretty good, I reckon. the flight performance isn't exactly it, but they're nearly the same handling as Starfighters with a similar kit

@manueldelbusto725

7 ай бұрын

They are much worse than starfighters

@Coliflower185

7 ай бұрын

the German Navy Tornado used to be 10.7, and it was pretty solid.

@LegionOfEclaires

7 ай бұрын

@@Coliflower185For sure

@TheKaratejesus

7 ай бұрын

​@Coliflower185 it was awesome. The fact they bumped it into f16 mig29 tier just means that they decided all the people that grinded the shit out of this stupid plane can just eat shit.

@jacky9590

7 ай бұрын

The MFG was at 10.7 and the F-5C's sidefucked it . Its dogshit. Especially after gaijin nerfed the Aim-9L

Fuck at least it's one of the prettiest aircraft ever made.

@Micah-tz4ir

14 күн бұрын

He’s too much of a dogfighter than a bomber so yea it’s actually worth it

@Procodm_player

3 күн бұрын

​@@Micah-tz4irfor real everyone has a different play style

If we look at it through the lens of base bombing, I’m not sure how well it would do, as using rockets on ground bases has become more common.

@CarTests-pt6zp

4 ай бұрын

Why rockets tho

@noahglennon1805

2 ай бұрын

@@CarTests-pt6zpyou get more rp per base as it’s more hits

I thought it was about on par with the other F4F at 10.3, or maybe worse. I have the MFG, which is essentially the same as the WTD61. I'd say it's okay if the only thing you do is to bomb a point or along a street with a large 1000 lb payload in GRB while disadvantaged(of course, you don't want to damage friendlies) and return to reload. Otherwise no.

@tibcsikid5775

7 ай бұрын

Imo its the rival of the f4s. F4s has better initial turnrate and speed but in the extended fights the tornado comes out on top in both speed and turnrate. If it still has fuel left, that is. Also the tornado can get to bases faster guaranteeing at least 1 basebombing.

Nice that you showing RP, SL bonuses is important as most CC lack that.

Ok so now for real, this plane is very good grinder for germany air tree, you can take 12 dumb/normal bombs and put 6 as drop series for easier time, that's 2 bases which is abt 20k exp per game (if you're not dumb fu or smb hard target's you) and then you have 2 possible kills with 9L's AND the most important thing other grinder for germany is Mig-21... so yeah its worth, overall ok vid but that's my take on it so no hate

@STALKER-cv9ck

2 ай бұрын

Ty for comment😮

The funny thing is the Technical Department for Planes of the Bundeswehr (Wehrtechnische Dienststelle für Luftfahrzeuge und Luftfahrtgerät der Bundeswehr) dont use Marie Tornado instead its the same as the army (heer) so dont know why guided bombs are missing

Basically all the tornados need a drop in br, 10.7 is probably right, alongside the sea harrier frs1.

@ronaldthompson4989

7 ай бұрын

The Weapons Technical Department 61 variant's party trick in my limited experience is locking a static target in CCRP, diving to the deck, charging in at Mach 1.2, then nosing up for automatic release 5+ kilometers outside the battle before diving again and running away. All the tornados can do this, but the WTD61's prototype skimpiness grants it a lower BR that almost pairs well with the Leopard 2A4 pzbt123

I will get this thing defiantly... for sim battles. I love bombing and having a fast 2 base killer will make me do 40k score for events in like 1h-1h:30 min of game-play! As of now im using the Mig27k for this event and its beyond easy and fast, yesterday I had a 2h match and it was 30k of the 40k needed for the event. Also the funny is that I will get Mirage 2000C-S4 coupon, sell it in summer and get this for free... MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!

@Serbianrublle

7 ай бұрын

Finally, someone who loves being mindless and acting like grind machine just like me!

@MrSeagull2000

7 ай бұрын

How do you do it? I try to climb in the Italian on but I just get swatted

@ThommyofThenn

7 ай бұрын

​@@MrSeagull2000skill issue

@RedTail1-1

7 ай бұрын

Good luck with having to fight 12.3 in Sim with 2 9L

@DJRaffa1000

7 ай бұрын

​@@RedTail1-1 sim battles dont have a 1 BR bracket lock like all other modes ? Oof

I like its basic bitch prototype vibe, but it is definitely a rush job. Even has the marine variant's (event) naval search radar

u can always do the tank /spaa/ light tank formation of tanks in 1 line aswell its pretty strong there - does not need to be the first one there to the bomb nodes

Works well in CCRP though, especially supersonic nose up. Will reach out over 6km on the deck. Not something that can be depended on in GRB, but entertaining

4:32 did you just kill a jet with bombs lmao

It's the JU288 for top tier

Im definitely getting this during next sale. I been waiting on another premium for air that i love.

I love how the tornado looks but yeah the armament is pretty mid

@LarryPigeon1

7 ай бұрын

Well its fast and can bomb 2 bases with maybe 2 or 3 kills. But the 70$ price tag for a copy paste crap plane damn. I just want some intresting shit at the german premium high tier stuff like USA or Russia

@mitchondemand5194

7 ай бұрын

​@MultiAlex226 Yeah, that's what gets me too. We get some really cool stuff with Germany, but their contemporaries get versions I'd rather have. We get the best strike aircraft variant with the Tornado ASSTA, but countries like the UK get fighter variants with Skyflashes and Aim 9s, carrying 8 missles plus flares. We get a great Phantom, but since its not the ICE, its not as nice as the upgraded UK or Japanese one. The best we get is the MiG 29G, which is definitely the best MiG in the game. But it just sucks because the aircraft tree starts off so strong. Even the ground tree at top tier is amazing, its just the jets that suffer.

is it me or the Tornados either in the UK, German, Italy Tech Trees are very underrated? I mean it's more a fighter bomber except for the F.3 in the UK, if only WT only added the MW1 weapon system.

@Tankenstein

7 ай бұрын

I did a video on the F.3 and really like it. It's a great plane that fights substantially better planes. In a downtier, it can dominate, whereas in uptiers it can still be competent. The WTD61 is not like that at all. It is incompetent as it currently stands.

@DevinEMILE

7 ай бұрын

The issue is with the F3, Its 12.3 every game. At that BR its slower then everything, and fatter then everything. If something gets behind you, your only real hope is air breaks, thrust reversers, and hope they over speed.

@sonny2dap

7 ай бұрын

@@Tankensteinagreed f3 has the missile load to hang, even if flight performance isn’t the best, the gr1, mfg, ids etc. do not have the missile load outs to be where they are currently imo.

@carrott36

7 ай бұрын

Imagine hitting enemy airfields with those bomblets and mines it got

Both Tornado IDS' in the German tech tree are similar, the only reason why the premium is better is because its a prem, its the same, if not worse than the event Marine Flegar Tornado.

@ronaldthompson4989

7 ай бұрын

Its so copy paste it has the marine variant's naval search radar (only detects air in ACM)

F-4F never carried AIM-9J IRL, it had AIM-9L. Gaijin: but it had the ability to carry 9J so we give it that. Tornado IDS premium carried LGB IRL, I have seen people posting real fotos on the forum with them equipped. And it at least has the capability of carrying them. Gaijin: We need source documentation. Tornado never carried LGB. That'll be 70EUR. Please and thank you.

There is only one good thing about this aircraft - at least it looks cool. Thats it. Nothing else is good.

Flying this jet in ARB feels like Sisyphus.

Not the best, but if you bring 5 bombs you can only kill a base but you'll out pase everyone else on the way there. Doing this I have gained an average of 10k a match with prem time and went from rank 5 to the mig 29g in a couple of weeks within 200-300 matches in it. I do not at all regret my purchase. (Especially since I suck at fighting planes and somehow I get more kills in this than the lazur m.)

its very effective for grinding if you are somewhat experienced

@SmarterSmart9

5 күн бұрын

Is it?

@ggaz683

2 күн бұрын

@@SmarterSmart9 in sim mode yes it is very good

Yeah as someone who owns this do not touch this thing with a 10 foot pole

@mercerwing1458

2 күн бұрын

Where is it after the BR changes? If it didn't get elevated as much as the others then maybe it's useable

Planes should get different BRs for ground battles vs air battles. Change my mind.

@boxx5511

Ай бұрын

youve got your wish bro

In my opinion it is a very nice plane... you just have to know how to use it best. In my opinion the best strategy is to have two lodeouts, the first one only with 6 bombs and the second one with 10 bombs. You start the match with the first lodeout and then fly as fast and low as you can to the next base, bomb it and return to the airfield. After the landing you j-out and than equip the second lodeout to destroy the left over base`s. If youre team has destroyed all of the bases than the new ones will have spawned in by the time you start from the airfield. Also there wont be thant many players left so it is easy to get 3-5 bases in one match. With the first lodeout you are also much faster than most other planes (F-4 etc.) so you will be able to get one base atleast. In my opinion it is a very nice grinde plane. I have grindet nearly the whole german Planetree within one week, playing 2-3 hours per day ( i was at br 8.7). It is importaned to knwo that this plane was never intendet to be used as a fighter so do not try to use it like one. If used right it is very good and makes for a lot of fun.

@rtachallenger

6 ай бұрын

I just joined the game, went straight to the shop to buy a cool plane and got absolutely scammed, i didin't knew what i was buying tho, i just purchased the one that looked more pretty and it was expensive so i toguht it must be a good aircraft for sure... Would you say the tornado is ok for grinding the tech tree? idk if i should buy another craft or use the tornado to grind the tech tree, i just want to have fun in the game and i like VII and VIII aircraft. I don't have the money to be buying 70USD ships like that but i aso don't have the time to research the whole tech tree.

@Goldenhero-wi5sn

6 ай бұрын

@@rtachallenger a nice and fun plane i think is the a-10, f5c, f4s or kfir those jets are really good at grinding and rlly fun to. if u want to grind the german tech tree just do it with the tornado, no need to buy the mig-21 lazur m

@rtachallenger

6 ай бұрын

@@Goldenhero-wi5sn thanks. I am using the tornado for grinding the german tech tree

@zinnsoldat6493

Ай бұрын

​@@rtachallengerand how much did you grind ?

@SmarterSmart9

5 күн бұрын

​@Goldenhero-wi5sn Kfir is horrible, no actual radar, not even aim 9Ls and no guided munitions at 11.3

I'm thinking about the tornado or the mig21 lazur

Would you all recommend me the Mig 21 Bis Lazur M or the Tornado? Thanks

@bananomet4052

7 ай бұрын

Currently neither. Talisman F-4F, Mig-21MF or the Swiss Hunter, if you reached rank VII. If you are only starting Germany, get Ju-288 and grind with this instead. Though there is no future for this TT. It will only get Alpha Jet and Typhoon. Maybe F-35. That's it. Mig-29 is not worth it anymore. Go play China or USA instead. Speaking as someone who spaded nearly every German plane.

@erzhaider

7 ай бұрын

As the other guy said, what Germany currently has is everything it'll have basically. Typhoon is gonna take at least a year to be added and alpha jet is only a gimmick plane in lower top tier. Anything else that can still be added would be vehicles from other nations, like swiss or Austrian planes, but don't count on those being added.

i have that plane and i rly like that

I will pick this one up next year in the sales.

Practically, I recommed 5 x 1000 KG bomb. Please don't choose 12 x 1000 KG, you will get nothing, especially you have F4 teammates.

Glad to have worked for the tech tree tornado and paving the way for my smart boom

I have tornado ids marine version it is better then it because it has unique ship missiles for future navy wars

„It won’t fight any F-16“, Stoner, Forum Admin.

How does it compare to the event torando, and is there actually any difference?

@fenfrostpaws2000

7 ай бұрын

Literally the only difference is the lack of Anti-ship missiles and obviously the premium bonuses. It'd probably be cheaper to buy the Marinefleiger and its' talisman xD

@ronaldthompson4989

7 ай бұрын

Copy paste minus missiles, even identical radars, despite the naval search being exclusive to marine (even) version. Only reasons to get are the SL boost and the skins.

@jakubchmiel6211

7 ай бұрын

@ronaldthompson4989 too bad the naval one has a way cooler market place skin

It would be fine at the 10.3

@vincenzoimbragulia8152

7 ай бұрын

There are flareless planes at 10.0.

@bananomet4052

7 ай бұрын

Tornadoes should be 11.0. It's all the other BS that need to move up instead. We need at least 14.0BR minimum right now.

@SmarterSmart9

5 күн бұрын

​@@bananomet4052we got 13.0 now

what is the best premium in war thunder for the german tech tree (air)

@erzhaider

7 ай бұрын

Don't start grinding the German tech tree, it has no future. Germany is currently only missing the alpha jet and the typhoon, then it has every vehicle ever used by Germany added. Anything else would come from other minor nations like a Belgian f-16, but nothing the others wouldn't also get.

@PaulBitzer

7 ай бұрын

@@erzhaider yeah but im on my grind to get all the big tech trees and i am struggeling with germany

@erzhaider

7 ай бұрын

@@PaulBitzer use those 70$ for something actually useful, the german tech tree has nothing to offer

2024 summer sales. It was a great pick. I have no German airial tech tree grinded out as a tank main and I desperadly needed a CAS anything (they have no helicopter good enough so a jet). In ground RB it's BR is 10.3 so perfect match to Leopard 4 premium if you will. I don;'t need this option as I have Leopard 2 A5 and A6 with a talizman on both already. But can be a sweet option for everybody interested in the premium leopard as well. I am an anti-air main with Pantsir ITO-09 FlaRakRad ect you name it I have it. I grind out the strongest anti air first and only go for MBT-as after they have anti air cover provided. I know how to give SAM systems a hard time. I have no issue apply this Tornado. Many of my other planes have to slow down because they they can't drop bombs supersonic while this premium Tornado can do it for me. Lack of guided ordenance? No big deal! Don't go high so don't die stupid from SAM players like me. Dead simple. In air RB I gave it a go as well. It was my worst time ever with the Turkish TAF starfighter because that one can't turn and basically defendless againt Tomact and other radar guided missile spamming jets. Tornado not only can deploy the biggest chaff but I can fight back all aspect IR missile to the Tomacts. Finally! Guns are not only great and don't let me down but I lock my radar on target and I have ballistics computer for the gun. Yes it have limited number of flare and chaff but they are bigger. Deploy them in critical moments only and forget pre-flare and you be fine. Being slow for a bomb bus and too late for base bmbing? I don't experience this issue ever not to mention I have so many bombs I can take out a bunch of ground targets on the way and still kill a base. Killing convoy of AI trucks and tanks is more fun and the reward isn't bad neither. After every youtuber vomited acid on this aircaft I had a ton of fun with it. I enjoy it and I don't care anyones opinion! The Starfighter came into the picture because of the Hungarian sub tree in the Italian tech tree. Yes that one is more painful but better than nothing. Between them it is the better one.

i’m looking to buy my first premium aircraft, this one doesn’t seem to be a good one for that, any recommendations for my first premium jet?

@Maus.128.75

7 ай бұрын

Maybe mig 21 Lazur-M, it looks promising, so I'm buying it.

Is there a way to refund an aircraft😭

@actionXandXcut

3 ай бұрын

is it that bad, im about to buy it

Why its 11.0 again? Same goes for the F-4EJ; why its 11.0 when those are the weakest next gen F-4s?

ike u said this plane was nothing special in real life too- was only fast but fuel consumption was insane too... this all specifics make Panavia firm to bankrut. (is funny in game is only Tornado- real plane name is Panavia Tornado)

dude the 27mm cannon is dogwater, one every 5 rounds is a practice munition

@Tankenstein

7 ай бұрын

It can be, but I always found it to be good enough. If it was a smaller caliber, it'd say it was meh, but it's like a 5.5/10 in my opinion, when considering accuracy, fire rate, and general damage.

@fenfrostpaws2000

7 ай бұрын

I use the stealth belts and love it

Anyone tell me. What's the Swedish pretty jet like? Is it worth it? The 10.7br one

Just wait until it can carry 4 giant cruise missiles as part of its 'historical' load out. The plane was an early/testing version of the tornado and will probably never get anything besides what the tornados got when they entered service, while modern tornados have access to a lot of advanced missiles and air to ground stuff, it gets none of it because the game cant handle even more BVR fights or CAS launched from the airfield.

@quontox9247

7 ай бұрын

The tornado ASSTA1 already has LGBs in the tech tree and is 11.3, so they'll have to up their totally not top tier plane if they give it to them. @number7red619

I like it when most KZreadrs have the gall not to gaslit the players. Twitch streamers are mostly liars and shills

Oh no, this is my first purchase, i just downloaded the game, joined some startup matches, like the game. Then i went to the shop and bought the plane that looked cooler for the price tag. Now i listen this and i wanna cry, so unfair, i was so sure that if its 70 **** USD it would be the top-tier/most-wanted aircraft ever.... im devastated bro

@acer1671

6 ай бұрын

You may have to gain more experience in the game, jumping head first into top tier sucks because you have little idea on what is happening around you. My first purchase was the F4s and I was ass with it until I got to early-mid jets and developed an understanding of missiles and other jet's capabilities

@DakotaNator

4 ай бұрын

Should of gotten the mig21 lazur ,all aspect missles

Do not buy this jet I ground the entire us tech tree with the f5c and it’s just not possible with this jet, I play sim firstly then rb and it has 0 defense and almost 0 ability to grind unless ur lucky enough to reach a base with bombs, in sim at its br its less than worthless

Got it yesterday and it took me about 2 hours to grind the TT Tornado with it and a lot of SL. I`d say for grindind new Planes/Jets and SL its okay, but you still die before bombing every other match.

So I want to grind german tech tree. Mig 21 Lazur M or the Tornado?

@spiritofsound8469

5 ай бұрын

They're both ass but the Lazur is the better choice for grinding. That said, i bought the Tornado during a sale with a coupon for about 20$ and STILL regret the purchase. Like the guy said, can't bomb on high Br. Can't dogfight on high Br. And only 2 Missiles so can't even be a missile spammer.

@LordRidler

5 ай бұрын

@@spiritofsound8469 I make about 100k sl witheout boosters or premium with the Nado. I bought it after testflying the Mig at a friends location. I almost always get two to four bases a Game and atleast two kills. Maybe you do something wrong, I just love that plane xD

I got the tornado mfg for free last night in the snowman boxes and I'm really shocked there is no decent cas weapons It's 11.0 and has no atgms and I can't really understand that

Hey tank when will you get your own decal for the game? Would've been a nice 100k subscriber surprise offer

Crazy people would buy this over the Lazur-M

@Tankenstein

7 ай бұрын

I had three matches in the Lazur M last night, and two of them were better than the dozens of matches I've had with the WTD61 when recording for this video.

@ChepeFlo

7 ай бұрын

People love the skin/camo on the plane and probably buy it for no other reason.

Ive been playing this retro fps and it has zombies that use that same sound effect

I Love this plane and have my fun with it

Needs a buff, at least smart bombs or able to carry 2 more 9ls

Please do a comparison between this and the UK GR1

@dickendeng

7 ай бұрын

UK GR1 is much better than this. However, this Tornado is only way you want to get the German Aircraft in Tier 7.

How you do that like when you bomb that circle thing that helps you in arcade how do you get that

@Tankenstein

7 ай бұрын

It is available on some higher BR aircraft. It's a ballistics computer

@jamesmoore5572

7 ай бұрын

@@Tankenstein ok thanks

apart from it speed su25k is a better plane and is only br10

My radar literally never even showed a single enemy. Even when i see them 10km away and have the radar directly pointed at him. Unless i go into aquisition mode my radar does absolutely nothing. Is there any setting i miss or something ? (And no i dont go into 147km mode and then dont see taegets close to my aircraft xD)

@carrott36

7 ай бұрын

What’s your altitude? Ground clutter may be messing you up.

@DJRaffa1000

7 ай бұрын

@@carrott36 most of the time towards the bases its low due to the constant Phoenix pressure. But even after "merging" or when flying at 3000+ feet, i never saw a return. The aquisition mode however works really well (Maybe its a combination: at first i am too low because of phoenixes and then i am too close to reliably see them on the 37km standard range, I'll try to see if lower range helps me get returns after getting into the fight)

@erzhaider

7 ай бұрын

Tornado radar only picks up targets in ACM mode, search mode is useless

What do you excpect. Its Germoney pay and suffer

Hey at least it looks pretty good

I can't describe the pain, someone please tell gaijin to lower its BR or im going to pass out from sheer emotional pain

Hello...I'm wondering if you'd like to make a video about the premium tanks unlocked by passing the war thunder quiz 10/10?

@Hockey-gn2tj

7 ай бұрын

Not worth it lol just meme vehicles

@user-nh6sr7dj2q

7 ай бұрын

@@Hockey-gn2tj oh got it XD

@advan0s

7 ай бұрын

The swedish SAV is pretty good. Other than that nothing good there for the price they are asking for them

@Hockey-gn2tj

7 ай бұрын

@@user-nh6sr7dj2q I only picked p the twin 109s lol

@fenfrostpaws2000

7 ай бұрын

​@Hockey-gn2tj I bought that thing when it first released and I love it. It's fast and has a good climb rate, plus with mg151s seeming to be nerfed the quad 30mms are nice

it's 50% cheaper rn, i think i'll buy it nvm i won't

Sadly, because it looks sexy AF.

I got it and play 11.7 germany i carry 2 AIM9L and 5 1000IB bombs, the key is to not maximize bomb load and fly low, the AA missles are enough fly in low and drop bombs ur so fast the explosion wont kill you as you leave the drop zone.....I also have the MIG-29 SMT IMO this tornado isnt that bad

Ill pretty much only be using it for ground RB so is it worth?

@SmarterSmart9

5 күн бұрын

I think nk

Bruh, I want some guided weapons CAS, dumb bombs just dont cut it.

@SmarterSmart9

5 күн бұрын

Get the a10 and stop sobbing

Premium cas for the USSR and USA are 10.0 br and have a ton of options for payload. But this piece of flying garbage bin 11.0 .Germany suffers. But the looks of it is 10/10 =Smash.

Bases go boom.

At list he can destroy 2 base the a5 can’t

Did my fav striker dirty like bro…. No respect

@nicolasfleischhacker7693

5 ай бұрын

And ngl if you can’t make it preform well skill issue

Decal when?

You can exactly destroy two basses with 6x1000lbs each, but testing it would be to much I guess.

Every one hates the 🌪️....... 🐌🤕 Enjoy the HACKER 🌊...SURFS UP

No guided weapons at this BR - so no thanks, i will not buy this thing.

If it was Russian it would be 10.0

So basically I just purchased a flying piece of shit

comment to get monitesed

in few words , plane suck :D

Shit plane. Expensive Strela treats. Next.

Second :)

what a useless bad premium.

First

@arcadeians

7 ай бұрын

Just watched your previous video about the abrams armour

@Jhunter2007

7 ай бұрын

Don’t care

@arcadeians

7 ай бұрын

Bro it was a statement chill out