'We live in an era that doesn't deserve subtlety'. Fucking killer line right there.

@jeckjeck3119

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! He is 100% right.

@leonturner2598

2 жыл бұрын

Damm right!

"We live in an age that doesn't deserve subtlety" I think I nodded so hard my neck broke

Imagine what it was like for Amy and Roy coming back after Miracle Day? Everyone talking about that event where nobody died and it was like and being like "WTF why didn't the doctor fix this?"

@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure it technically would have been occurring while it was just the Doctor and Amy traveling, which should have meant it would be affecting Rory's job as he worked in a hospital.

@uchrisdaley

Жыл бұрын

It aired at the time the doctor was looking for melody pond.

@BEE-oz7yd

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know Ryan and Yaz were both kids when CoE and Miracle Day happened! I wonder if that ever came up in conversation during their downtime in thr TARDIS...

@creed8712

10 ай бұрын

They very explicitly were on earth during this time

@Goldenwhitewings

7 ай бұрын

@@Picilishousit’s not

Miracle Day, to me, is like the 'Return of Doctor Mysterio' of Torchwood. It feels totally out of place, but I find it so much fun to sit through, that I really couldn't care less.

@mathieuleader8601

2 жыл бұрын

you know those brain aliens would have been fantastic for torchwood

I stand by my opinion that Miracle Day is still one of the most fun-to-watch installments from the Whoniverse ever.

@nymphrodellsalavin

2 жыл бұрын

"FUN" to watch...

@Newt.--.Jaeden

2 жыл бұрын

I really like Miracle Day until the last 2ish Episodes (maybe even just the last one), really dropped the ball in the finale with the explanation being the giant earth vagina was being changed with blood magic

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

"Fun" is ONE word you could use for it

@AlchemistOfNirnroot

Жыл бұрын

@@Newt.--.Jaeden tbf there was never going to be a satisfying reason for everyone being immortal in the worst way.

I've not watched Miracle Day since broadcast but I remember *hating* it, to the extent where its bad reception seemed to make sense of why Torchwood was never renewed. However, I think you're right in that watching it in a post-Trump/post-Pandemic world might make endear it, somewhat. I'm a bit afraid to revisit it, but will probably have to bite the bullet at some point.

@WSDigitalArtwork

2 жыл бұрын

I would be very interested to see what your current thoughts on it would be as it is so much more relevant and feels more real post trump and post pandemic. I find it’s best to keep children of earth out of mind whilst watching it as well because that is just too tough an act to follow.

@corbinvickers9993

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh I’ve enjoyed it more every time I watched it. For ever camp, ridiculous scene there is a really good and well developed character scene. Give it another go

There's some REALLY good ideas in Miracle Day. I watched it for the first time in lockdown and there's some obvious relevance. The idea of conscience corpses being cremated, Oswald Danes winning praise despite being a monster and pharmaceutical companies just abusing the whole thing is so brilliant. Sadly it just falls apart as it goes along, it shouldn't be so long as the story doesn't really have enough to do with all that time

one of my main issues with miracle day is that I honestly feel like it is too... bootlickery for lack of a better term at points. Like I think it is trying to piggy back off of the cynicism and distrust in the system that CoE so beautifully portrayed but like idk just the way the CIA is portrayed as being rough around the edges but mostly good by the end felt a little off to me. Like nah, make the CIA an actual villain, have them consistently working against our protagonists. While CoE showed how good (or at the very least not deeply bad) people can be ruined by what they must do in the system (as shown by Frobisher), miracle day showed a lot of the issues in the system as being the fault of bad actors and I strongly prefer the former view, I think it is more accurate and better gets at the cynicism I love from torchwood.

@rebeccareisman1435

2 жыл бұрын

i also just dont think it ever justifies itself because CoE was the perfect end for the show and would have best retired Jack, but like miracle day isn't horrible.

@corbinvickers9993

2 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccareisman1435 there would’ve at least been more series of miracle day but then RTD’s husband got cancer so he quit Torchwood to be with his husband

@madanotap6492

2 жыл бұрын

Every single time I see the name Frobisher in this context, I have to remind myself that we’re talking about the torchwood villain and not the shapeshifting penguin who travelled with the doctor and knows how to fly the Tardis.

2:57 you know how Russell works, he's OCD creatively-speaking. Either does his little six episode miniseries' alone, or intensely overlooks a small group of writers with larger franchises. He'll have done his own draft on every one of those scripts, believe me. Only five writers he ever gave a pass to.

I personally believe this is underrated, clunky but still fun

Miracle Day is criminally underrated and I will defend it to my dying breath

Whilst it has its flaws, I absolutely love miracle day. It was kind of ahead of its time (which is actually a really bad thing for the world) it gets so much hate and I’ve never understood it all, sure it’s a little over long and Rex is a prick but when it goes for it, it hits hard and knocks it out the park. It delivers some of the best drama in the whole whoniverse. My favourite scene in this whole show is when Jack and Gwen, two characters with so much history and love tell each other they would happily kill each other to survive/keep loved ones safe it just feels so grimly real.

My biggest problem is how inconsistent the miracle is. Early in the series they break the agent's neck on the plane and she chases them through the carpark with her head on backwards. Then later, they can render people vegetables, killing them for all practical purposes y breaking their necks.

My American cousin had an interesting introduction to Torchwood - she started with Miracle day because it was available on Starz. I then told her that Torchwood was an actual big series over here and really enjoyed watching the older episodes as a sort of prequel. I feel like Miracle Day could be a good way to get Americans into the original series as a whole

Nightowl actually told me about the reading of Children of Earth being a declaration that Torchwood as a team were useless. The story could have been told without them and they barely managed to save the world. Lots of franchises reach a point where they have to decide to adapt or die (e.g Logan, Dr Falls and Survival). Torchwood is absolutely the show to pick the latter. Seemingly they've gone further here. Jack is now mortal and predictable, there's no fun to be had with him (can't even enjoy his flirting and sleeping around cause we're just thinking about Ianto) all the stories that can be told with him have already been done (this might even extend to the villains, barely characterised after 10 episodes, they're so blatantly not the point here. The sci-fi aspect of the sci-fi show isn't the focus. It's why he hadn't come back for ages, it explains why the only thing Moffat thought he could do with him was cut his head off and turn him into Face of Boe. That's not a knock on the character it just happens to every archetype like that at a certain point. It's probably happened to the 7th Dr at certain points during the novels and audios.(I think a Bernice Summerfield audio parodied his tendency to get help from his future self).

@nightowl8477

2 жыл бұрын

Where did we discus this again?

@Ben-vf5gk

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightowl8477 Comments section of Council of Geeks' video on the Doctor Falls, I believe. Tho it might be hard to find, we talked a LOT on that story (I don't regret a word)

@nightowl8477

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-vf5gk - ahh okay okay. I'm gonna move it here, I want to see if the themes I discussed are continued or contradicted by Miracle Day. Interested either way.

@Ben-vf5gk

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightowl8477 If you wanted to make a story with a subtext about a show/character needing to be put to rest or it'll grow stale... Is there ANY premise better suited for that than "people can't die but still age"? Aside from of course the Cybermen stuck next to a black hole?

@nightowl8477

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-vf5gk - oh also the original intent with the Cybermen in The Tenth Planet was to discus the existential question of when we stop being ourselves, as prosthetic limbs became a thing in the 60s. If you remove an arm and replace it with a prostatic one, are you still you? What if you remove the other arm? And your legs, and your heart, and your brain? Same goes for Bill with Testimony; everything but her memories lost. And the same, of course, for 12 and regeneration. Goes all the way back to Deep Breath, with 12's (at the time) irrelevant broom handle analogy. Sorry, just noticed yet _another_ layer to the Series 10 trilogy, had to throw it to the vacuum of Ben Comments.

Fun fact Oswald was such a disgusting monster of a character that was so well performed the part of me still dislikes the actor on Impulse whenever I see anything else, same thing happened with Dolores Umbridge's actress.

One of your best videos Sam!. Loved it!

I always wanted Gwen to have an adventure with the doctor, see how they would interact and different methods to get to the same action, both passionately trying to do the right thing,

Really great video :) I think its honestly inspired me to do a full rewatch of Torchwood for the first time in like 6 years to reevaluate it :) fantastic job :)

Damn, I wonder how Amy and Rory coped during these events. I believe they were on Earth during Miracle Day’s events as Eleven was searching for Melody. Hell… I wonder how former characters like the Bannermen Road gang, Ace, Martha and many other characters coped. The storyline was absolutely horrifying. I don’t care what anyone says I absolutely love Miracle Day.

Oh thank you, ive just been looking for someone interesting to watch, this is perfect timing for me. Never seen a video on miracle day before :)

It's so nice to see some appreciation just for the pure execution of the concept, I've died on this hill for years that it's highly under-rated.

Oh wow, it's been a while since we've had a retrospective, I'll give it a watch now :D Got my sunday night popcorn and everything

I think Miracle Day's an odd one. I've watched it a couple of times and both times whilst watching, I've been bored out of my mind and heavily disliked it. But looking back on it, I seem to forget about all the dull parts and think about how good the plot and the ideas are. I feel like if it just was just cut down to maybe 7 episodes, I'd like it as much whilst watching as I do in retrospect. Since there's a lot going for it but most of that's just buried underneath boring conversations.

DAVIS is back, with a brand new thumbnail!

Hey, I recently binged Torchwood for the first time and finished Miracle Day a few weeks back... Perfect timing... I personally found it odd but at about episode 3 I got the feel of what it was going for and began to enjoy it for what it's worth. The tonal shift midway through also improved it in my eyes. I got the feeling Oswald was slightly being redeemed at the end and it concerned me due to what he had done before he said the line "RUN FASTER, I'M COMING" and immediately he fell back to the horrible man he was 100% Edit: Why is this NEVER talked about in the rest of the Whoniverse? Like, it went on long enough that the Doctor surely found out right?

The scene at the airport of Lyn Peterfield walking down the tarmac with her neck broken and the whole of Torchwood trying not to look at her as they drive away is one that I will take to the grave.

god damn i forgot about that shot of the crumpled car. this show is so visually interesting and artistic the whole way through, honestly more than doctor who ever dared to be

For me this held up a lot better as something to watch in 2 days than over 10 weeks, the plot tangents and such are more forgivable when they aren't all you get at a time. Part of me does feel like there's a missed oppertunity, having a series where 'no one can die' but actually 'well incinneration maybe still works and you can render someone unconsious so that's basically the same thing'. Now a series where everyone had jack level immortality and people had to figure out how to live with each other when you couldn't just blow people you don't like up would be something.

I watched it all as it went out - I've not watched it since and would be interested to go back At the time I was very dissappointed, not cause of the American setting etc but because it takes a LONG time for things to actually happen Watching it S L O W L Y play out over 10 weeks was very frustrating as the plot felt stretched (especially compared to the tight, pacy Children of Earth - which haha I watched at 11 am amazed I wasn't traumatised by that)

Good arguements, well made. Makes me want to go back and rewatch

The Torchwood hub was in the Time Fracture??! I feel like everyone had a cooler experience than me haha.

I watch Miracle day ba k in 2011 and just finished re watching it. It definitely hits different pre and post pandemic.

I genuinely think the only issue with Miracle Day was the runtime.

@jameshudson395

Жыл бұрын

Should it have been shorter or longer the seasonv

I think miracle day needs to be watched when you've not watched Torchwood in a while, because I think when binge watching the whole series and then going from children of earth to miracle day, I think I can say that you're expecting the same quality which of course isn't what I feel miracle day does So I think watching it with a fresh mind gives it some points where you can see it in a different perspective TLDR: Miracle Day, good premise but just not as good as I expected but can be redeemable when you haven't watched Torchwood for some time

@alternatethirteenth5594

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I watched the whole show in one go, so it was a huge tonal shift for me

@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8

2 жыл бұрын

This doesn't need a TL;DR it's only 10 lines long

I have been saying for a while, all this needs is some KZreadr to do an analysis video saying it’s actually quite good - I should have known you would be the one to deliver. But maybe this does hit a little differently if you watch it now, postTrump, during Covid - Maybe it was too out there in 2011, but now it feels pretty harrowing

Yeah, this was a season that had some great ideas... and didn't know what to do with any of them. The blessing, the families, the great reset - all reduced to excuses for runarounds, explosions, and mystery for its own sake.

Glad you liked it. Iv always thought it got judged way to harshly

stars are making a reboot of miracle day set in 2022 and with an all-American cast

I've seen Miracle Day multiple times over (at least 5 times through, if not more (a couple of those were when watching Torchwood through with other people)), and whilst I hate it, I also love it too. There's so much it gets wrong and so much it gets right. It really fits Torchwood, but not Doctor Who. I'd happily watch it again and will hate it all the way through, but still come out of it knowing I'll still watch it again some time in the future.

I love the idea that sometimes the doctor can't be there to save us because we disappoint him. We bring certain things on ourselves and that of course hurts him but he can't fix it for us. That's not his job.

Miracle day is criminally underrated, not perfect by any means but so much better then given credit for

Miracle day is the only full series of torchwood I've seen and I loved it, even though it gave 12 year old me a few nightmares.

I just finished binge watching this and it wasn’t my favourite series but I enjoyed it for what it was but “the blessing” is a cop out if you ask me

(He definitely is those things though.) Miracle day is interesting - but it probably needed to be reduced a bit.

Jack Harkness may be a bag of old tricks, but I still wish he reappeared in Doctor Who more often. Time of the Doctor, for example.

I think the largest issue Miracle Day faced was it was following up *Children of Earth*. Which is like having to follow up Alien(s) or Terminator 2.

I've always loved torchwood ever since I saw it as a kid. keeps me entertained throughout and who doesn't love Gwen, she's the most badass person in the whoniverse

Im glad im not the only one who likes it

the thing with the stars reboots of miracle day is they can get away with things that the BBC cannot get ever away with

Question: What episodes of Miracle Day would you place in the top 5 best and worst episodes?

I remember kind of liking this. I haven’t seen it since broadcast though. I think it mainly suffered from the inevitable comparisons to Children of Earth.

Damn there are some diabolical take in this my man

The only torchwood season I've seen, should I check out the three others?

@SamyulDavis

2 жыл бұрын

As soon as possible. If you get sick of S1, move onto S2. It's much better.

I missed torchwood growing up, i had a choice between doctor who and torchwood, and obviously i chose doctor who, and i missed all of this! 😅

The RTD Expanded Universe came to an end with this and SJA Series 5

I didnt realise you did an actual video on Miracle Day, i always remember (ages back) you saying how it was americanised and tbh after finishing CoE its the reason i left the show there, a perfect finale. However, that being said i've heard Miracle Day has some really interesting ideas and a interesting core concept, it just sounds like horrible execution, excited to watch this as i still want to know about MD without actually watching 10hrs of it. :)

I loved it

I've seen two episodes of Torchwood and I'll keep watching if you tell me one thing: does PC Andy survive? Because I love him and will protect him with my entire life.

@SamyulDavis

2 жыл бұрын

Pc andy survives the whole series, joins torchwood in the audios and is currently travelling with the 8th Doctor. Nuts.

@stratofariusbr

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamyulDavis ok im watching this whole thing asap

ohoh now this is a wonderful surprise

Eve Myles rocks my socks.

I like Miracle Day for the same reason I like the Legend of Korra: compared to what came before each one, the writing quality has higher highs and lower lows.

@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502

Жыл бұрын

you implying legend of korra has higher highs than atla? interesting. i won't deny it's got its moments, but even most of its best episodes are only about on par with a B tier episode of atla imo.

Alright. I'm convinced. Will give it a second chance.

As an American I thought this series was off even for American series but still enjoyed it.

Y'know? I disagree because I felt like it went for twice as long as needed, but I appreciated hearing your take.

To be honest, the best part about Miracle Day for me is that it is nowhere near as bleak as Children of Earth or Years and Years. Seriously Russell do you need therapy because *fuuuuuuuucking hell*

I like the Lost Highway guy in there

Oh shit I'm in this one! Thanks sammy You know what I was *this* close to ending that comment with 'Havent watched it, not gunno.' Like, I had it typed and everything, but I didn't want to ruin your pretty edit. Still ain't watching it. I will outlive God before I go back on a prejudice.

I liked it personally

watched it for the first time recently and really enjoyed it, more than I did season 1 and 2 neither of which I could finish because they where so rough. Certainly isn't better than Children of Earth but an unfortunately underrated story

I watched Miracle Day when it aired. There was some good episodes and some time wasters, but overall I dug the crazy, dark concept.

I actually love Miracle day, its just slightly bloated

I don't think Miracle Day is amazing, but it's definitely a whole lot better than people give it credit for. I feel like if it was just a little tighter (8 episodes maybe) it would be just about perfect, aside from Rex. As for there not being many things for Torchwood to do, I sort of get that criticism but at the same time Torchwood stopped actually being a show about Torchwood at the end of the second season. Seasons three and four are both just about the UK, the US, and the wider world dealing with Doctor-level threats but without the Doctor, while Torchwood tries and fails to fix things until the season needs to end and then they're finally able to actually succeed. To be honest, I'd go so far as to argue that Children of Earth has even less for Torchwood to do than Miracle Day does.

@nightowl8477

2 жыл бұрын

I love that so much. Best thing about Children of Earth is how it takes irrelevancy in media, I wrote a mini essay on it. Continuing the franchise with Miracle Day feels so pointless. But fittingly, if you see what I'm saying. Trainspotting sees Sick Boy discuss his 'Universal Theory' that, ultimately, we all get shit in the end. Giving Trainspotting a sequel, having it _be_ shit, and making that the point of the film is kinda perfect. Suppose, if we're very very kind, we could say much the same for Miracle Day.

@themetaphysicalgentleman9677

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightowl8477 I mean, I wouldn't say Miracle Day is shit, but I think I agree with what you're saying. Plus, in Children of Earth, Torchwood is sidelined for most of the story, either trying to escape the government or being held captive or simply hiding and watching events play out. And whenever Torchwood does try to assert themselves in the narrative things go horribly wrong for them. First the Hub is destroyed and then Ianto is killed and then at the end Jack's grandson has to die, almost like the story's punishing them for trying to be the protagonists in a story that isn't meant to be theirs. I mean, realistically John Frobisher is the real main character, being far more central and important to the overall narrative than Jack, Gwen, or Ianto; and he's nowhere near a hero. And when it's all said and done, the rest of the government and media, (as well as people like Jack's daughter and Ianto's relatives,) are given almost as large a role as the main trio. Which is continued in Miracle Day for the most part, with the most important characters being people like Oswald Danes and Jilly Kitzinger and the Three Families, with Torchwood feeling really rather ancillary to the plot for most of the show. It's like Torchwood ended after two seasons, but the characters themselves never got the memo that their show was canceled and so just started trying to insert themselves into other shows that weren't really about them, which is kind of bizarrely great.

@nightowl8477

2 жыл бұрын

@@themetaphysicalgentleman9677 - yes yes yes yes. I've literally just unburied an old comment of mine saying much the same. How do people level Torchwood's irreverence in Children of Earth as critique? Most interesting thing it's got to say. If Miracle Day, like T2, seeks to demonstrate that, power to it. Artistically, it's perfect. But I'm not sure if it's the kind of art I want to witness. Like that guy in Black Mirror's The National Anthem cutting his finger off and hanging himself. My analogies are shit today, but you seem to be on a similar wavelength (thank god).

It’s actually interesting that you say some episodes waste time because this was actually a cut down version of the original outline as the initial plan was for a 13 episode run with some episodes set to be written by none other than Mr Chris Chibnall (is it a good thing or a bad thing they got cut?? I guess we’ll never know) Also you’re absolutely right that the episodes not written by Russel still feel very ‘Russel’ as the transfer from Cardiff to LA means it wasn’t one writer writing one episode anymore but each episode was done by a team of writers including big man RTD who would also write the final draft of each episode kind of explaining why he only write one or two himself. Fun fact: Russel actually makes a cameo in Miracle Day!

Most of the doctor who spin offs are some what small scale events that the doctor wouldn't have heard about ect.. but this is global and surly the doctor would have noticed that everyone in earth can't die feel like they went too big but it's still great TV and interesting

Personally, i love miracle day and i dont know why

Torchwood has an advantage over Doctor Who in that it can ask the tough questions about us as people without making concessions for the family audience Doctor Who is targeted at. No comedic side relief to mitigate the traumatising of the kiddies. Exploring the ramifications of a popular unable to die, yet unable to heal (basically a Planet of post-Reset Owens) is something even the Virgin New Adventures would think twice about, and that range of books goes into dark places. Children of Earth showed how far people in power will go in the name of self-preservation, sacrificing people who are simply statistics to them so they’ll keep as close to their status quo as possible. Miracle Day showed how people, governments will react and prioritise pragmatism over compassion in a crisis, needing to step in to cull a growing population that has lost the ability to take losses naturally. From a pragmatic perspective the measures taken do make sense. The cause of the Miracle, and therefore a way to stop its effects, isn’t known by those best placed to do something about it. Torchwood themselves only have an opportunity to act by episode ten. There’s no projected end date, Earth is in this for the long haul as much as everyone knows and the population needs to take a loss even if humans take things into their own hands because the alternative doesn’t bear thinking about.

I watched all of Torchwood in such a short time, I didn't even go online to read what other people thought. And as someone who is a big fan of the US and watches a lot of US shows, I didn't even notice that they americanised it (now, I definitely have to agree, I knew *something* felt off) and I was very surprised finding out people passionately hated Miracle Day, I thought it was fine. Very interesting thought experiment, Season 2 and 3 are wayyyy better. I would have preferred if after Children of Earth, they would have done one or two more seasons like 1 and 2 with this typical "Monster of the Week" theme, where they rebuild Torchwood (and Gwen would not be preggo yet), maybe kill off one of the characters in the finale to keep things interesting and then you could have had another one of those "specials" like Miracle Day. I really liked the premise, they just should have thought of a different solution, since it's not Jack's blood that makes him immortal. That's the one thing that really annoys me.

It's not badly written. It's just very long, and American. But other than that, a fantastic piece of television.

You can say whatever you want about Miracle Day. But the ending of The Categories of Life (EP 5) is one of the best scenes in all 41 torchwood TV Episodes

@SamyulDavis

2 жыл бұрын

Oswald's speech? Or Gwen destroying the camp?

@cybermasterproductions8232

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamyulDavis Just the complete reveal of the "Concentration Camps" it's something that is absolutely jaw droppingly unexpected and so well done by the production team.

I've not watched the video yet, but I figured we would see a miracle day video or at least some mention of it after the anime opening credits for it appeared, bc I remember u mentioning u never finished it

I want to hear about the audios now

I don't generally like dark TV, but Miracle day was so f*cked up, I actually couldn't stop watching till the end.

I struggled with Miracle Day. It wasn't the American angle. Pacing was off, and the whole thing felt a bit ham-fisted. The series pretty much tells you what you're supposed to feel about each character.

I immensely enjoy Miracle Day despite all it's glaring flaws. It's dark but camp in a way only Torchwood and Russell can pull off. My primary issue is that the story is far too huge in its scale to be a Torchwood story. It should have had huge repercussions on the Whoniverse, but it's never even mentioned, not even in passing. Oh, and I think the ideal number of episodes for this story is 8. I think that's enough time to explore the tiniest of implications of the event and also to wrap it up nicely

I really like the ideas of Miracle day. My main issue is that in my opinion, Miracle Day does not deserve to be ten episodes. I remember getting around episode 7 and just wanting it all too end because I was so bored. I think if it were cut down by two episodes at least it would flow a lot better.

My main/biggest criticism of _'Miracle Day'_ wasn't the Americanisation/Bastardisation of _'Torchwood'_ (though that was pretty f’ing awful), but was the fact that *_IT WASN’T/ISN’T CANON!_* It happens simultaneously with Amy, Rory & River seeing The Astronaut kill The Doctor; obviously The Doctor "dying" means he can't help Torchwood (it might even be, as a stretch, excused as a fixed point in time, so The Doctor couldn’t fix it anyway), but if it was canon, time getting all f’ed up would be seen/mentioned in Torchwood, or _at the very least,_ all of Mankind being immortal & the entire world going to $h¡t for a while, because of it, would _most definitely_ have been mentioned on _'Doctor Who'!_ 😠😡🤬

@olivermoore7020

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps the Miricle Day event was removed by the cracks in time? People still couldn't remember the dalek and cybermen invasions even after "Big Bang 2".

@rolanddeschain5161

7 ай бұрын

I mean, it's the Whoinverse. What is canon in that setting? Why doesn't anyone comment on Children of Earth in Series 5, or the big demon thing above Cardiff from Torchwood S1, or Aliens in London, or a whole host of other things.

I feel like there were tons of great ideas but few satisfying conclusions overall, I feel like if they had made it a 5-7 episode season instead of 10 it would have been alot better. Also I wasn't really convinced it was part of the Doctor Who universe, I know it's not that important but it still felt too disconnected from the rest (wich might be what people mean when they say it's americanised). I think it was kind of doomed from the start due to the fact it's the season following children of earth Also I wasn't very convinced with jack not being able to die since it contradicts how his immortality works.

I loved Miracle Day. Terrifying and well-explored. I think it was episodes 7 & 8 that I felt were the weakest and generally kind of unnecessary, but overall it's great. Also, I love long stories. Children of Earth was definitely more consistently good, but I think Miracle Day might have some material that's better than CoE ever got. I probably like the two series equally.

The idea of no one being able to die is fantastic, but man does this story fall flat

One of my Favourite sci fi series there was, never got the hate, you can explain why to me and I’ll probably disagree, and that’s fine because my opinion

I think for me, it’s biggest weakness is its pacing. It did not need to be 10 episodes long. Had it been about 5 episodes long, I would have loved it because it is a good story! It’s just told awkwardly. Children of Earth would have made a better ending IMO but it’s cool enough I guess.

That woman and Gwen fighting in the lift, with Gwen trying to stop the lift leaving so Jack could get in really annoyed me

I remember hating the show because it kept teasing with the reveals, dragging it out for weeks In retrospect, a lot of that stuff I thought was filler was actually very realistic and interesting world building, the exploration of the concept is incredibly thorough

Oh this Story is absolutely Fantastic. I thought nothing could be up there with CHILDREN OF EARTH, And COE is a good but MESSSSSED UP STORY

As an american. Rex is sadly incredibly realistic to what American police are like. As unlikable as he is. He is dead on what he should be.

It's a bit long. But there's never a post mortem while the Miracles Around.

Miracle day, it’s alright Could have maybe trimmed a few episodes and it would been better for length/brevity sake

Zoom in torchwood

I binged all of Torchwood as a 12 year old and all I remember is that this was kinda boring... maybe I should revisit this one.