I have a minengeschoss Mk-108 30mm cartridge in my collection. It's pretty apparent that when the Brits developed the Aden 30mm, they adopted the round based thin shell design. The Apache M-230 ammo is a further development from that where they went for light weight aluminum propellant cases.

@nicolatesla9429

Жыл бұрын

Do you have the 'stumpy' one with the round bottom, or the more pointy one with tracer? It's very interesting also how the self destructing fuze (the ZZ1589B) works.

@kimmer6

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolatesla9429 The spherical bottom projectile is what I have. It's amazing how thin the case is and how much explosive fits inside.

@nicolatesla9429

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmer6 A friend of mine, who is also into this kind of thing once compared the MK108 MinenGeschoss with a stick of dynamite. I'd say it's close enough!

@kimmer6

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolatesla9429 When 1 or 2 can take down a B-17, you know its powerful.

@osmacar5331

Жыл бұрын

Obviously we're gonna take a good idea, we're not stupid. Or incompetent.

Very good video. Only a minor correction in the pronunciation of Minengeschoss from me, a German. It is pronuced like Meenengeschoss. The German "i" is pronunced like the English "e". Greetings Mega

@MilitariaReviewed

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the pronunciation correction. Correct pronunciation is something that I struggle with but I am always trying to improve.

@megatwingo

2 жыл бұрын

@@MilitariaReviewed 👋🙂👋

@jayst844

Жыл бұрын

The Geschoss part pronunciation is on point. Just the first part is infuriating for us Germans. Try pronouncing it like meanan. 😊

@1985rbaek

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. In Denmark, English miss the higher "i" sound. I would have thought it was somewhat similar. The pronunciation of "Minen" sounds like "Meinen", where the pronunciation of the wovel should have been something more akin to the "i" in the english word sin or lid.

Great video that brings back memories from my childhood. There was an Army Surplus Store near me in the sixties and I had a great mother who indulged my interest in all things military. At one time I had a rather nice collection of different rounds, small dummy bombs, grenades and edged weapons. As I said my mother was great to me and I was the envy of the neighborhood. At seven years old I would walk around with saw backed bayonets, military belt with canteen and a dummy grenade in at least one pocket. I also had the obligatory helmet liner on my head. I wish I knew where all of that stuff went. I did catch one of my cousins who spent the night over trying to steal one of my bayonets. That was an awkward moment for my mother. Thanks for sharing pieces of your serious collection with us. I wish I had kept track of my stuff back then as I am 65 now and it is an entirely different world......

07:43 well thats not true. A lower weight means INCREASED velocity, not reduced. You can see the velocities of the 20mm HE and Minengeschoss at 02:55. While the normal HE has 585 m/s velocity, the Minengeschoss has 718 m/s velocity. When you decrease the weight of a moving mass, while keeping the same force pushing it, the result will be the lighter mass goes faster. It is physics :D

@speedbuggy16v

Жыл бұрын

came to comment that exactly, only way they were slower was if they had a reduced powder charge

@davidclifford9774

Жыл бұрын

Will the heavier round carry it’s velocity longer than the lighter projectile? We need a graph of both projectiles together. The lighter projectile may shed its velocity much faster than the heavier.

@speedbuggy16v

Жыл бұрын

@@davidclifford9774 no it will not, though a heavier projectile will carry more energy that is a function of mass, not velocity.

@ClumsyCars

Жыл бұрын

@@speedbuggy16v mass and velocity

@leobuana7430

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it's range rather than speed ? Since lighter projectile mean It affected more by drag

Wow, the footage showing the damage is absolutely insane- makes video games where it appears much less believable when it takes many hits to down a target.

@WelcomeToDERPLAND

Жыл бұрын

@Full Time Cracker It tries, but is nowhere near accurate, so many sparkles & completely ineffective hits- along with ghost shells in stuff like tanks. I think even IL-2 Sturmovik (the really old one) does damage more realistically.

Well done. Aircraft cannon armament always fascinates me.

Love this channel i hope you haven’t abandoned it. Love your vids. ❤

Really good to see footage from that time period and explanation or how it actually works. Well done !!

Awesome video! Just found your channel and what a breath of air it is! Hope you return with some more stellar videos soon.

Is it just me as a machinist that's impressed about the accuracy we produced shells with way back then judged by the drawing at the beginning

@Furzkampfbomber

Жыл бұрын

Just a little anecdote: I was born and lived in the GDR. And because socialism is glorious and because it is never too early to make people understand that the 'dictatorship of the proletarians', yes; that was an official term, would not tolerate lazy, intrigant intellectuals amongst its people, school children in the GDR had a full day every two school weeks where we were send to a factory in order to work. And I mean _'work',_ not making some internship or something. At age 13, I was standing on a turning machine for the first time and learned to appreciate when the pain finally stopped, after red-hot turnings found their way into the collar of my cheap combi suit. (I really wish something like this would happen to all the little socialists out there, would change a _lot_ of young people's perspective about oh so great socialism.) But the point is, for a large part of those work details, my class was send to a factory that produced CAM-controlled, automated turning machines. Which were extremely high quality, they were even sold to companies in the U.S.. We happened to produce parts for those machines at age 14 and the turning machine I was working on, making high precision parts for those CAM machines, still had the plaque from the factory where it was made, saying 'Made in 1911'...

@coachthelegend2192

Жыл бұрын

@@Furzkampfbomber kenn ich zu gut da ich Azubi bin und unsere Maschinen auch uralt sind eine unserer fräsen ist aus den 60-70er Jahren

@Furzkampfbomber

Жыл бұрын

@@coachthelegend2192 Ach, und ich mach hier einen auf Englisch. Na dann kennst du ja sicher auch die Nummer mit den heißen Drehspänen. :D Da hat es ein Bekannter von mir besser, der ist CNC Fräser, kommt abends auf Arbeit, spannt seine Teile ein, lässt die Maschine laufen und packt dann die PS4 aus, Destiny spielen. Schon eine andere Nummer.

@coachthelegend2192

Жыл бұрын

@@Furzkampfbomber und wieder kenn ich's mein Kollege macht nh Ausbildung zum zerspaner der ist immer richtig geschockt wenn ich dem erzähle wie das ist nh Edelstahl Welle an der großen Drehmaschine von 1980 zu drehen hahaha

Very interesting. The MK-108 should be worthy of its own video.

That's awesome. Will you do a video on Soviet WW2 aircraft gun next? The VYa 23mm, ShVAK and B-20 20mm cannons, Berezin 12.7mm and ShKAS 7.62 machineguns were excellent and reliable guns, held in high regards by both their users and enemies.

Thank you for making these videos, I appreciate the time it took to make them please invest more into munitions if you can, really do enjoy them

Awesome video, good ammunition examples too

@MilitariaReviewed

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video, my collection has grown significantly since we last talked!

Yes!!!! I love your channel, ive been waiting so long for another video! If you focused on ammunition related content im confident your channel would grow greatly. Regardless, I love all your videos, they're great!

@MilitariaReviewed

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like the videos! Ammunition and bayonets are my primary interests but I try to make videos on other topics so folks don't get tired of those! However, I am currently working some more videos about ammunition that will cover some pretty interesting topics. I am always open to suggestions if there is something you want to see a video about.

@kimmer6

2 жыл бұрын

@@MilitariaReviewed You might like to see some larger shells and random stuff. The 16''-50 barrel is pretty big when you are next to it. The museum is in Central California and has a big display of aircraft that you can walk under and touch and has the best ammunition display I have ever seen. At 0:57 off to the left is his 8''-55 USN brass case and correct projectile, the largest propellent case ever used by the USN. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pZuepbt9eb3PdLg.html

@MilitariaReviewed

2 жыл бұрын

That looks like an amazing museum, if I am ever in the area I’ll be sure to check it out. You’d run out of space quick collecting casings and projectiles of that size!

@Clingerman93

Жыл бұрын

​@@MilitariaReviewed how about some info on the 15mm cannon? I think it was a very interesting cannon

@MilitariaReviewed

Жыл бұрын

The Mg 151/15? I’ll probably do one on both the 15 and 20mm versions of the Mg 151 at some point. I have a couple of the 15mm cartridges. Very hard to find.

Hey guys, I think he knows by now that he pronounced it wrong, you can stop commenting about it, Goddamn.

Lower weight projectiles do not travel at lower velocity. With the same powder charge behind a lower weight projectile then the standard said projectile will travel at a much higher speed than standard. The issue is the falloff rate becomes increasingly worse the lighter projectile. These cartridges probably would have been actually loaded hotter than the standard because they are lighter weight projectiles because if they didn't it would not cycle the action of the weapon.

@minhducnguyen9276

Жыл бұрын

Another reason was the thinner casing couldn't handle more pressure and friction from being fired with a bigger powder load it'll rupture from it.

For some reason I was under the impression the minengeschoss cost more to produce than the standard shells. I must've gotten things confused as I thought they were forged and machined hence the thinner walls and increased costs. I must've mixed them with bomb casings, I wasn't aware they were able to use drawn steel for projectiles.

@MilitariaReviewed

2 жыл бұрын

It seems like the Germans had problems decreasing wall thickness of forged shells while also maintaining consistency. The drawing process was almost certainly more expensive (in terms of labor and the higher grade of sheet steel used) but was the most practical method available. I have been searching for quite some time for original documents discussing the development/testing of minengeschoss but haven't had any luck. If such documents still exist they would probably answer a lot of the questions about cost and the production process.

@BillWilsonBG

2 жыл бұрын

@@MilitariaReviewed Is there any examples of the forged projectiles prior to any machining or information on the specifics of their production in regards to the machines used in the machining processes of standard shells? The drawing would require higher grade steels and be more complicated in setting up the production line, but I would imagine they would be quicker to produce once the infrastructure is set up since the machines would be doing a single process continuously, and no machining necessary on the projectile itself, just pressing in the threading ring. Opposed to what I can only guess would be them putting the forged projectile into a collet chuck on a turret lathe and drilling several stepped holes as well as threading on a single machine, since the interior view of the standard shell looks fairly complex. That is all just assumption on my part though as well just focusing on the technical rather than considering material shortages for those high grade steels and such. I can't imagine what I described being correct for the production of the forged shells since even with large banks of lathes, it would be very slow considering the sheer amount of ammunition they had to produce.

@MilitariaReviewed

2 жыл бұрын

@@BillWilsonBG I do know that the description you gave about using a collet chuck and lathe was at least how some larger-caliber projectiles were produced. I have seen a clip from a propaganda film that depicts a factory producing them in this way. Unfortunately, I have yet to find any films or documents showing production of 2cm shells. The closest I have are some data sheets showing dimensions that I would have been provided to the factory. Nothing about how they actually made them though. I do suspect that at least some 2cm shells (excluding minengeschoss of course) were finished on lathes. I have several examples in my collection that have obvious chatter marks left by a lathe. Wish that I had a better answer for you. So much of that sort of information was destroyed late in the war or remains buried in the Bundesarchiv.

Wow! I feel stupid for not understanding how bullets ripped planes apart in WW2. Thank you for this video

@I_am_not_a_dog

Жыл бұрын

Well, it’s important to remember that only the Germans used “mine shells.” The RAF utilized .303 (7.7mm) in the early war and began switching over to the 20mm Hispano autocannon a few years in, until it almost completely supplanted the .303 except in a few niche applications. The Hispano used a combination of AP, HE, and SAPI-HE ammunition. While the latter two shells didn’t have the same destructive power of an MG 151 “mine shell,” it still packed a good deal of destructive power, and it fired at a higher rate of fire than the 151. Plus, British aircraft would carry 2-4 of these cannons, compared to MOST German fighters, which mounted 1-2 151s. The U.S. used - primarily - the M2 .50 caliber heavy machine gun for nearly the entire war. The only heavily-utilized U.S. aircraft that utilized autocannons were the P-38 (a single 20mm alongside four .50 cals) and, to a lesser extent, the P-39/P-63 (mounting a single 37mm along with a combination of .30 and .50 cal machine guns). It’s important to remember that the U.S. was mostly focused on bringing down German fighters. A battery of 6-8 .50 cals was more than equal to this task; Indeed, there is an argument to be made to take a large battery of .50 caliber guns over a single 20mm cannon for anti-fighter work. The U.S. never developed a high explosive round for their .50 cal (although they had one for the 20mm and 37mm, obviously). The Italians used a mixture of Breda 7mm and .50 cals. Interestingly, they developed and used a HE round for their .50. They began using more imported MG 151s as the war progressed. The USSR used 7mm and .50 cals early war, switching to almost pure 20mm cannon armament by mid-war. Their HE rounds packed the least punch of any 20mm HE round of the war, but they fired fast, were cheap, and reliable.

Loving th videos hope to see more in the future

Interesting how they they did the equivlant of smart mines that are produced today where the mines would stop working after so long.

@JamesCarter-nf1dy

Жыл бұрын

A lot of rounds had self destruct mechanisms in ww2 but they just weren’t used for mines

@herrhaber9076

Жыл бұрын

Well... you'd better include a self destruct mechanism. Specially if you are firing AA, defending your country. What goes up will go down and your citizens might not be too happy if to stop a bomber raid you are going to rain 20mm HE on your city. On a 20mm the tracer will burn until the projectile reaches 2000 meters then activate a secondary detonator (tracer burn through).

@herrhaber9076

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesCarter-nf1dy True, though I've seen some WP rounds that looked a lot like AP since they were solid, no nose fuze and only relied on impact to break apart and catch fire. Not cool when you see a round without a fuze and think this is massive steel. Surprises may arise when washing in hot water...

@JamesCarter-nf1dy

Жыл бұрын

@@herrhaber9076 yeah you should always check the round type to make sure it's not an internal fuse or something similar.

Really good video, well done.

1:20 The claim that the MG FF only had 60 rounds is not entirely true. Yes, when mounted in the wings of a Bf 109E it was fed with the 60-round drums. However, there were mounts in, for example, one of the Do-217 Night fighter versions, where the 4 MG FF's were fed with a belt. This was made possible by attaching a special adapter where de drum would go (The Japanese did something similar with their Type 99 guns, which were also based on the Oerlikon design). Also there were 90-round drums which were supposedly used on the Fw190A-5. I used to have one of those 90-round drums, and I've seen a photo of such a drum on a wing mounted gun of a Fw190A-5. I have also several Minenganaten in my collection; 20mm MG FF, 20mm MG151, (of the latter I also have a Brandgranate 44, which had a similar construction of the projectile body, but with a special fuse for fuel tanks. I also have multiple 30mm MK108 Mineshells (with and without tracer, and with and without self destruct). I also have a 30mm MK108 Incendiary shell which had a similar construction as the Minengranate. And you may or may not know this, but the Germans experimented with (among others) a 15mm version of the MG131, called the MG131/15, and there is a mineshell for that cartridge aswell.

@A.G.798

Жыл бұрын

Lieber Nicola Tesla, ich kann Ihnen nur auf deutsch antworten, zum Caliber 15 mm. das MG 151/15 war Ursprünglich das Überschwere Maschinengewehr mit15,1mm oder 0,6 Inch daraus wurde die moderne Maschinenkanone in cal. 20 mm. Entwickelt, als Ersatz für die veraltete Version MG.FF 20 mm. Herzlichen Dank für die ausführliche Informationen in ihrem Kommentar. ❤

Very nice video I love Minengeschosse

Informative video!

Good stuff man, thank you.

Nice video ! another interesting story, regarding aviation ammunition, is that of the incendiary shots used by air fighters in late World War II, even by German and Russian snipers, as the shot was devastating over long range

@buster1364

4 ай бұрын

Yes its not the velocity that kills you from this round if it hits you. Its like shooting grenades out of a sniper

Good vid ! 👍

Thank you sir!

I'd have never guessed - Thanks - Interesting ! ! ! 🙂😎👍

Hey man, are you still active?? Awesome channel, I've subbed, really hoping to see some new videos! Thanks!

It's scary when you see them miss a flying fortress and explode in the distance . More scary when they hit though eh . Good blog pal , best regards : )

Really nice and interesting video!

Minengeschoss is pronounced like Meenengeshoss source: I'm German. It means mine projectile, maybe not surprisingly.

@andrslnks4804

Жыл бұрын

Genau das gleiche schrieb ich auch. 😂

@wernerviehhauser94

Жыл бұрын

@@andrslnks4804 nicht nur Du :-)

Awesome👍

Slight problem might be fusing, fuse saftey if eney. Self destruct is nice but it seems that there was no saftey element. That is impact sensitive ammo.

@bogeydope3022

Жыл бұрын

It looks like a standard inertia fuse ZZ 1505 adopted with the self destruct (Zerlegeladung), so it will prime only after being fired and in rotation.

This channel is heavily underrated

Wouldn't the lower weight of the M round mean it has a higher velocity compared to its heavier counterpart? I know little about auto-cannons. But I know a bit about ballistics. When you have the same powder charge pushing something lighter, it usually goes faster?

@Kevin-fj5oe

Жыл бұрын

3:00 your answer in the bottom data.

The rounds responsible for the "Blatant German Bias" in War Thunder

Everytime I think I have a good idea it turns out someone tried it 100 years ago.

Interesting vid, thanks. What ignited the charge? Obviously the fuse, but how did that work?? What triggered the fuse? Did the fuse set off the charge on contact? But it doesn't seem like hitting aircraft skin would cause enough resistance to set off a contact fuse?? You touched on this a little bit....(not wanting farmers to pick up live rounds).... I'm guessing the fuse was lit upon firing the round, and the round exploded shortly after exiting barrel, regardless of distance to target?? Thanks.................

Why do some (high pressure?) cases have a cannelure near the bottom? Lubrication?

Nice

IIRC, there is this rifle that is the NTW-20 that fired the 20mm Mauser. I wish there was a NTW-30, that fired the 30mm.

@BlitzFromBehind

Жыл бұрын

The NTW 20 doesn't fire the same ammo as the MG151/20. Denels 20mm has a case lenght of 83,5mm and the MG151/20 has a case lenght of 81,64mm

@The6thMessenger

Жыл бұрын

@@BlitzFromBehindkzread.info/dash/bejne/Y3qBx6lvYNmylrQ.html Nope. Jesus as spoken.

@BlitzFromBehind

Жыл бұрын

@@The6thMessenger Did I miss something because he doesn't say that it fires the 20mm mauser. It just confirms what I said that the denels 20x82 is it'a own thing and not a 20x82 mauser copy.

@The6thMessenger

Жыл бұрын

@@BlitzFromBehindWell, I don't know what to tell you, Jesus didn't say 84mm neither. You're citing "proprietary"? Dude it's an old obsolete cartridge that basically only they use, such as the Vector GA-1 aside from the NTW-20 -- they have to produce it. It is, in a practical sense, proprietary, at that point -- but it still a 20mm Mauser, only using modern 20mm projectiles. In Jesus' site it says: "The 20x82mm is low velocity compared to traditional 20mm cartridges, carrying the same explosive or incendiary payload but without the punishing recoil of what was originally an aircraft cannon cartridge." So I wonder what would be an "aircraft cannon" that fires 20x82mm? Lots of sources keeps specifying the 20mm Mauser as it is 20x82mm, and is used for the NTW-20 and it's Indian copy the Vidhwansak. So maybe it IS the 20mm Mauser? I'd put my money on those sources, not the ones that get the cartridge length wrong. It's always funny that the gun-snobs that try to flaunt their supposed knowledge unsolicited, often are the ones wrong. Maybe keep the Dunning-Kreugers in check? Always ask yourself first, "who the fuck asked?"

@BlitzFromBehind

Жыл бұрын

@@The6thMessenger Gun Jeesus is like the rest of us, a human being. But that said I admit in being wrong. The ammo is made to the 20x83.5mm spec but the ww2 era tolerances varied from 80.6mm to 83.5mm (found a new source that gives the variation in case lenght)

How did you get them shipped to the states? I can't get ay sites to ship outside of EU/UK.

Do we have any information on the fuze mechanisms for these guys?

Sehr Interessanter und guter Beitrag, nur Schade das es nicht auf Deutsch ist. Das Mienengeschoss würde heute wohl Super High Explosivgeschoss heißen, durch die fast 5x stärkere Sprengladung!

@bogeydope3022

Жыл бұрын

Nein, es nennt sich Air-Burst Sprenggeschoss.

@A.G.798

Жыл бұрын

​@@bogeydope3022❤ vielen Dank.

Surely a lightweight projectile will fly faster given the same amount of propellant

the rusted bullets reminds me of cigars. Speaking of, what if someone rigged a cigar to explode upon lighting? I have good ideas.

@n00bist723

Жыл бұрын

This some looney tunes shit, also the CIA actually tried this in the 1960s when they were grasping at straws to assassinate Castro

@A.G.798

Жыл бұрын

Warum?

Great video. I haven’t seen this table for the ammunition use yet. I only know one account from 1943 and 1944. In the one from 1944 they just differentiate between fighters in the east and west for the MG 151/20, and they recommend the same ammunition as you show here vs. four engined bomber and other planes. Just shows you that on the west their main targets were for the most part these big bombers while on eastern front they mostly had to deal with fighters and attack aircraft. Just wish you had more information on the actual performance 🙂 As far as I know were regular HE shells quite effective against older aircraft designs, since the structure of the wing was mainly supported by spars that held them together. New designs using the semi-monocoque design were quite sturdy to that kind of damage since the whole metal frame supported the wings and fuselage. So the idea of Mineshells was to rely on a Mine effect (German for blast) to create pressure inside the structure to blow it apart. But you can see that against bombers the newly developed incendiary ammunition was preferred over 20mm Mineshells. Since bombers are just too big to deal substantial damage with small explosive shells, while a fuel tank fires are usual a death sentence. So while they tried to develop bigger shells that could take out bombers with few hits via explosive damage, they replaced or substituted smaller explosive shells with incendiary ammunition.

@MilitariaReviewed

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video. You are definitely correct about belt compositions changing throughout the war. No easy answer when people ask about the ratios of different cartridge types in them. The pilots/squadrons generally had a good bit of freedom when it came to choosing load outs. One thing that I like to do is look at reports from archeological excavations of crash sites. What they find can at those can give you a good idea of what was actually used “in the field.” I have a ton of performance data but virtually all of it is from testing in a controlled environment. It is easy for folks to be mislead by that sort of data which is why I don’t generally bring it up. I can send you what I have though if you would like it.

@kimjanek646

Жыл бұрын

@@MilitariaReviewed I’ll take what I can get 🤗

It amazes me they even bothered to put markings on the bullets.

@eageraurora879

Жыл бұрын

It's german, of course they're going to machine a whole chain to hold a gas can in place when everyone else would use a strap from a ruined satchel

Hey man, do you have the source for the image at 0:57? I looked at your sources in the description but didnt find anything like it.

I am curious about the cost difference between Minengeschoss and .50 BMG rounds. One Minengeschoss would most likely cost more than five .50 BMGs.

@0Turbox

6 ай бұрын

The 20 mm minen round had 2.5x the destruction capacity of a .50 cal round. That would mean, that the .50 cal was 2x more cost-effective, if your numbers are right. On the other hand, you needed roughly 3 .50 cal to match a single MG 151/20. One Browning weighted 28 kg and the single MG 151/20 48 kg. A fighter would save around 72 kg if equipped with canons. The .50 cal had better ballistics, but you had to hit critical parts, otherwise the rounds went right through, especially against bombers. A single minen round creates head sizes holes into duraluminium, no matter where it hits, and cripples your flight characteristics big time.

The lower weight of the projectile should have resulted in a higher (muzzle) velocity given the same amount of propellant. However, it should have also resulted in a shorter range as aerodynamic drag would have slowed it down faster than the higher weight projectiles. (Aerodynamic drag is not linear with velocity - 2x velocity = 4x drag.) Of course, from the looks of the video clips, they only needed one hit, regardless of velocity and range.

@Maverick966

Жыл бұрын

I think they had a lower muzzle velocity because they had thinner walls so they were more fragile

@adamr9720

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking exactly the same thing. When he first said it was much lighter I though that it would go much faster and fly on a flatter trajectory.

@nerd1000ify

Жыл бұрын

@@Maverick966 Mineshells did have higher muzzle velocity than conventional shells- in the MG 151 the M-shell left the muzzle at about 800m/s, compared to about 700m/s for a HE-T or tracer round. The lighter projectiles would slow down more rapidly, but this was of relatively little importance for aerial gunnery at a time where most successful pilots fired at ranges of less than 300m. I suspect that at least some of the reason for these shells having such wildly different velocities is the operating principles of the guns that fired them: The MG FF and MK108 were both blowback operated, and the MG151 was short recoil operated. As a result all of the German aircraft cannons had a certain minimum recoil energy needed for the gun to cycle reliably, presumably they couldn't just reduce the powder charge of the mineshell rounds to match the velocity of the other shells.

Seeing the catastrophic destruction those rounds inflicted on aircraft, one feels for the Aircrew being targeted. The countless time, intellect and money that humans invest in finding ever more devastating methods of killing each other speaks volumes of us as a species..

MG/FFM!!!!!!

German native speaker here with a small pronunciation correction (because of course, because I'm German.. :D ). The way you pronounce the "Minen"-part, it would have to be spelled "Meinengeschoss" - which is not a proper word. It's "Minengeschoss". The "Mi" part of the German word "Mine" is pronounced similarly to how you pronounce the English "me" (as in "me, myself and I"). So ... "me-nen" in a super-poor man's phonetic speak. :) Googling "Minengschoss pronunciation" brings up a page with a good example of the correct pronunciation as the top result.

@catadoxas

Жыл бұрын

Was going to write the same. but thought last second to see if one of us didnt already bring it up. you did not disappoint

I didn't think their mineshells were self destroying?

@MilitariaReviewed

2 жыл бұрын

It depended on what type of fuze was fitted to the projectile. For example, the ZZ 1505 was self-destructing while the AZ 1502 was not.

Begging people that if they make a video about something like "Minengeschoss" they at least check that they pronounce the titular thing correctly.

Great video, one minor correction though: You use the English pronounciation of "mine" instead of the German one. No biggie, but I suggest you look up the correct pronounciation of the item in question beforehand. :)

Excellent 🇦🇺👴🏻

Hahahha "Meinen-geschoss" !

fyi pronunciation is "me"-nen not "my"-nen great video!

may I quote a Free French fighter pilot ? 'You had to watch out for their 30 mm......it didnt give you a second chance"

What happened at this channel?

I thought that was a vape at first. I wouldn't wanns try it out

the letter I ist pronounce Eee in German

Minengeschoss. Pronounced like ee. Sounds like Meenengeschoss

@WolfgangBrehm

Жыл бұрын

haha there you are :D

3:06 Mine-what? -_0

“I” in German is pronounced like Ee

the i of minengeschoss is spoken like the e of the english word me

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The first syllable is pronounced like "me", not "my".

In German - switch the pronunciation of I and e

Next video goes about pronouncing the names correct. Its not majnengeschoss, its mienengeschoss

It's pronounced Meenengeschoss

Meeeeenen, it's pronounced Meeeenen.

You pronounce it wrong

haha pronounce "mee-nengeschoss", cause it's mean. "my-nengeschoss" sounds like "minebullet"

A little note from a German: Pleeeease don’t pronounce the word Minengeschoss as „mainengeschoss“. The letter i is pronounced e in German, like in the word „inter“.

It’s pronounced me-nengeschoss

Minengeschoß*

It’s actually pronounced meenangeshoss

Quick tip: pronounce like “meanan geschoss”. Has nothing to do with mining. 😊

it's pronounced "meenen"geschoss!

looks a lot like a CO2 cartridge. Hmmmm...

That's funny, you know a huge load about the Minengeschoss but you still can't pronounce it correctly 😂 Try to say meenen but don't make the ee to long, just take the sound of the ee when you see an i in German.

Speaking to an english audience, how much does 150 grams weigh? I have no idea, no comparison. And that was not the only measurement so screw looking it up. Basically unless you put our measurement system on screen your videos have no value.