My biggest issue with Bedrock Edition is how it plays. I've tried it and I hate it. It always feel clunky in movement compared to Java. The creative menu navigation is slower, Java is quicker and a lot smoother in most aspects. Granted Bedrock has better performance, I will give Bedrock that one. There's honestly a lot about Bedrock that will never make me want to play it, Java has a much bigger community than Bedrock, especially when it comes to KZread, I personally don't see Java being weeded out like that. You say Bedrock has been getting major changes to have more parity to Java, maybe it's to merge Bedrock into Java? Not the other way around.

@gwfun22

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@felixvargas6834

Жыл бұрын

They wont remove trust me Microsoft has to give java better stuff than bedrock

@CocoRoxas

Жыл бұрын

I played Bedrock for years before finally being able to afford a gaming computer to see how Java played and WOW! Everything was so much faster and building became easier bc of it too! I haven’t gone back to Bedrock, but I still have fond memories. And the added bonus of mods on Java also won me over. 😂

@felixvargas6834

Жыл бұрын

@@CocoRoxas I have alot of mods and this is not going to happened because dream will own Minecraft just hope it not a Aprile fools and he will add penguins

@star5384

Жыл бұрын

There's April fools in Java only

I think, as a bedrock player, that if mojang decides to shut down Java edition. No matter when they do that. That there will be a major backlash from the community. I personally think that they will try to merge Java and bedrock into 1 single edition with the best features from both sides. Avoiding backlash in the process.

@adamgeigerjr6995

Жыл бұрын

better yet? make Minecraft 2 with a load of features wanted by the community & only for next-gen/PC that can handle the output of the implemented features … its the large population using phones to play MC that's really holding back updates, graphics, etc.

@ShiroCh_ID

Жыл бұрын

@@adamgeigerjr6995 no the only reason itw as holded back wasnt because Mobile phones its just Microsoft has a silly ideas to make Pocket Edition with Bedrock Codebase became Mainline Minecraft since its relase 1.2 dubbed Better Togheter Updates i mean i aknowledge if PE will have some features isnt implemented yet but ever since Cross Platform updates exist the game became more and more Unstable Every updates(especially in Village and Pillage Updates Onwards)

@mikewhitaker2880

Жыл бұрын

sad thing is they did NOT even need to make multiple versions of the game, because ALL the problems of having EVERYONE play together started when they made Bedrock and Pocket editions in the first place... and the problem is not so much the multiple versions as the laziness of NOT creating an adaptive internet code that would allow different versions to coexist..

@daanbeekmans7085

Жыл бұрын

Tbh, minecraft is minecraft. Both versions have their own good and bad things in their code. But the core vanilla experience for both versions is the same. We can place blocks, destroy blocks, build beautiful and less beautiful builds, (everyone has their own taste with build pallet), defeat the enderdragon, etc. But the most important thing is that we can play minecraft and share our stories and show our worlds and builds. And that makes minecrafts minecraft.

@Hypnostedon

Жыл бұрын

Java sucks. Can't wait to delete it

This just sounds like turning bedrock into java as much as possible till it becomes indistinguishable rather than cancelling java. Your main argument is that Mojang is just adding things that have been around in java for years like all the "creator tools" you mentioned. Bedrock is just playing catch up in terms of features it seems 😛

@wolfbad512

Жыл бұрын

Exactly they are replacing java because bedrock is more mainstream and profitable

@southestst

Жыл бұрын

the thing with bedrock is that it’s so profitable due to all the microtransactions, so even when it does became almost the same as java a lot of stuff that we take for granted like the mods could possibly be monetized

@auger8451

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. If more people has access to a pc, it would tell a diff story. Since every household has a game system, phone, or tablet, bedrock is more popular. BR in my personal experience is sad and buggy, so the only intelligent way to move forward would be to push bedrock toward java.

@mrekozack7817

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfbad512 "more main stream and profitable" yeah no, I dont recall seeing that much people excited for bedrock than java. As a formal bedrock player, Im glad Im out of that phase. Also, lets not pretend that the fact that microtransaction didnt ruins them. Im sorry but Im not paying money for some goofy designed skins 💀

@SauI_Goodman

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfbad512 Java is free marketing for Microsoft. Every great KZread series, every impressive redstone contraption and nearly every important community member plays the Java edition. This edition is what drives Minecraft sales. Bedrock Edition sales are not due to the game being superior (it is not), but due to it's availability. People want to play it everywhere and that is what Bedrock provides. Now where does all the hype come from? It's from the people creating amazing content with Java.

As a addon maker if mojang allows us to modified the default code we can easily make mods like Java with true love 💕

@epicsubset

Жыл бұрын

and make some money doing it :)

@ItzJeremicer

Жыл бұрын

I'm also an addon creator. And In my opinion, I think the best thing that they should allow us to access is the code for vanilla blocks, so we can see how certain things are made...

@Rocketcraft

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it’s extremely frustrating not being able to access the vanilla code for bedrock as a casual coder. I’m sure the developers of some marketplace addons have the capability to see it though.

@unlikepaladin

Жыл бұрын

@@Rocketcraft they actually have access to dev builds for every platform except iOS, even including Switch and like PS4/PS5. But yeah sadly Bedrock will never be as mod-able as Java is, it's just not possible because of the language difference. If Bedrock were C# it might be a different story though.

@AbyssalSoda

Жыл бұрын

They are probably working on some way to monetize the entire system so if you want to play a mod ya gonna have to pay up.

bedrock could have all of the features of java and more and i’d still play java. i’ve played both and bedrock gameplay feels awful in terms of UI usage and building

As a player of both Java and Bedrock it would be good I think if Mojang consolidated their efforts into one version as that would allow them to make new content and better updates for us. That being said it's still a lil bittersweet.

@CZghost

Жыл бұрын

I think the biggest issue of Minecraft Bedrock Edition is that it can't be played on Linux and Mac (not counting previous and long dead or soon to be dead versions of Windows, prior to Win10). The reason is that Bedrock Edition is very firmly tied to Xbox platform, which is owned by Microsoft, and Linux and Mac don't have that platform, unlike Windows 10 and 11. So if Mojang was to discontinue Java Edition, they would somehow have to make Bedrock Edition available also on Linux and Mac, with Xbox platform to enable cross-play of course. Because discontinuing Java Edition without making Bedrock Edition available on Linux and Mac would cut out significant chunk of player base that play on those platforms. Yes, Bedrock Edition has more players, that's given by popularity of Windows 10 and 11 and popularity of Xbox and Playstation gaming consoles. But there are also a lot of players that play on Linux or Mac, which is supported only by Java Edition (because Java Edition runs on - well - Java, which runs on Windows, Mac and Linux).

@aguyontheinternet8436

Жыл бұрын

no it's very very very bad, say goodbye to modding support and hello to a crap ton of monetization

@lillee4207

Жыл бұрын

​@@CZghost I play bedrock on Linux with something in popshop, using my Google play Minecraft PE

@lillee4207

Жыл бұрын

​@@CZghost works cross platform as well, I play with my good homie on a realm, he plays on PS4

@rebeccaharbison1742

Жыл бұрын

​@@CZghost You can get Windows 10+ as a dual boot on newer Macs, but it's still a pain in the butt. I only did so because my friends all play on Bedrock (as a few play Minecraft on consoles); it's not worth it for a single-player world.

As a Bedrock player (and just to play devil’s advocate), I would like to point out that two of the highlighted features, Ray Tracing and the new world edit, are Windows PC specific features. These features are not available across all Bedrock devices. As long as Bedrock remains fragmented over the various platforms (Windows PC, mobile, console) with some features available on one device and not another, there will always be room for the original Java and the players that prefer it. Not to mention the mods on Java (which are their own extremely robust ecosystem) are generally free while on Bedrock all supported mods are pushed through the marketplace. I, personally, would not want to move to a platform where I would have to buy all the mods I wanted to use when I was already using them for free. Java going the way of the dodo is certainly not impossible and it certainly would be years down the road, but looking at the situation today, I just can’t see Java disappearing.

@execat.1342

Жыл бұрын

Actually not all mods, or should I say add-ons, are forced through micro transactions. There are many websites such as mcpedl that offers free stuff.

@mrnotsure8655

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the majority of marketplace mods are absolute trash!

@c0_rupt8dd8dda8

Жыл бұрын

Very well stated, could not have said it better myself!

If it doesn’t come much closer to Java this will send me out the door. I spent 3 months trying to get used to bedrock. I just couldn’t handle all the differences with the Java Knowledge I have.

I suspect Java edition will end up open sourced. Java decompilers mean that in some practical regards, it already is. Existing open source competition has shown that Mojang has little to fear from an open source Minecraft. And it will provide a defense against complaints of them discontinuing it. I suspect that once Java edition is discontinued the differences between it and Bedrock will only increase, as anyone willing to spend the time adding any new features to it won’t be able to resist the temptation to do things “better” (i.e. differently) than Mojang.

@broski7792

Жыл бұрын

Oh, i wish

@RobertFisher1969

Жыл бұрын

@@kieranwhelan6338 Yes. Like I said…practically the same in some regards. There are plenty of ways that it isn’t actually open source, however.

@ShiroCh_ID

Жыл бұрын

and considering we already had Better than Adventure,Not So Secret Saturday and ReIndev as one Monolithic Mods that aims as if it was a fork of OG Minecrafts i thinkit was possible

@aguyontheinternet8436

Жыл бұрын

Sure a single person couldn't resist the temptation, but even ignoring the fact that a less professional and more indie minecraft could take back whatever they choose to, a group would be far more careful about the things they add in updates. Are you familiar with fnf, and its modded scene? Because that would be the potential of an open source Minecraft. Unprofessional, with a ton, I mean so many scandals till your heart can no longer feel sympathy, but also it would also be huge.

@geekzombie8795

Жыл бұрын

Microsoft will never open source.

Bedrock, while running generally smoother, still feels much less "tight", with things like taking damage when flying, if you even touch the ceiling, instant suffocating. Torches and candles not animating as nicely/ consistently. Door, chests, etc, sound effects are "lighter", Java sounds are more deep and rich, which is a strange one. Bedrock Goat horn sounds don't carry like in Java.. etc..

@crazyitalianguy000

Жыл бұрын

If that's your only problem then you can fix it by installing an addon wich makes the game similar to java.

@KaboukiJoe

Жыл бұрын

@@crazyitalianguy000 I'm just playing on Java again for now. I'm still hoping Bedrock will improve with future updates, maybe the ability to take advantage of higher end devices, then it would be king.

I find the ignorance and him blatantly ignoring one of the biggest things about bedrock and modding to be quite funny. Unless mojang (or better put, Microsoft) plans on shutting down the community market, then Java will be around potentially past bedrock. The community market is the way you get mods in bedrock, there's no other way without using a computer to mod the game files, which at that point, why not just mod Java? a simple process made even simpler by just downloading a launcher like forge or fabric. The reason why this will most definitely be chosen over the minecraft community market is in the name itself, market. Minecoins have been a major controversial change to minecraft since they were first added to bedrock, especially since they are the only way to get skin packs, texture packs, mods, etc. While on Java, all of that is free, mods, texture packs, skins, all free. Unless the community market is removed, or made free for all to download whatever they please, then no, Java will not die in the slightest. And that's not even talking about legacy attachment, why would people stop playing Java when it's the MAIN version of Minecraft, the one that receives updates and snapshots FIRST before any other version, and if that were to suddenly change, they would be uproar in the community. Sorry dude, but your conspiracy for Java dying simply does not add up, parity be damned.

I mean, one of my major concerns is that my computer is a Mac, and non-Windows computers are a platform where it's Java or nothing. I play Bedrock with friends by using a Windows partition, but I've noticed it's hard to just pick up and play a game when I have to restart my computer's OS before and after. It works for a social occasion, but not for just casual 'let's work on a build'. So my single-player worlds are all in Java. I'd take a version of Minecraft Bedrock for MacOS, but I'd be disappointed if Minecraft players with MacOS or Linux were left hanging in the wind. (Like, even if modders were maintaining updates, it's still annoying that my computer platform of choice is often an afterthought to developers outside of niche appeal.)

@wolfbad512

Жыл бұрын

They probably would be left hanging in the wind that's what most game developers have them as anyway

@annasmith5216

Жыл бұрын

Since it’s microsoft there’s no way they’ll bring bedrock to mac or especially linux. i like playing Java most of the time anyway (i’m on linux) and I’ve converted most of my friends to Java at this point. can always play bedrock on iphone with a xbox remote too

I’m sorry but as Java modder, the Bedrock API is still a joke. It’s still very limited in what you can do.

I don't see anyone moving over to bedrock until the combat gets redone, its a really awful system

@Excal_Gamer

Жыл бұрын

You have to wait to attack someone and an AXE does more damage then a sword? Hmm? We can spam and do a lot of damage way faster so why is that bad, I would love to see the java combot tho bc the sweeping edge is something I NEED

@mrekozack7817

Жыл бұрын

@@Excal_Gamer its weird to me at first but trust me it just make sense. At least the sweeping edge balanced out the whole attack speed thing. Lets not forget that even if axe have a much stronger damage output, they have a much slower attack speed than sword. Its only a matter of decent dps / great damage but with a slower attack rate

What about the Alpha and Beta community though? There's no pre-release Bedrock versions out there, so anyone who enjoys those will be left pretty empty handed.

Over the past two years, I'd started playing minecraft a lot more with my friends. We started out on bedrock since they all had xbox's and I was one of two that had a PC. But, as most of us got PC's we started on java. That was all just to say I've pretty much always been a java player, that's what I started out on when I was younger after Pocket Edition. I think the main differences between Java and Bedrock, and the problems that may exist in merging, is that they are coded in two different languages which behave the exact same. A good example of this would be quazzy connectivity, 0-tick pulses, and other technical things. I don't think, and really hope Java doesn't end up being discontinued because of the mechanics and play style. Like others have said, there will be a major backlash from the community, especially those who play on Mac, are into the technical/redstone side, plus Java is just quicker in general. Yes it does take longer to load, but that's with any game, and I'd take Java's quick input response time over Bedrock's crossplay.

@WhiteCircle63

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I started too playing on Bedrock, but then I buyed Java edition and it was so much better. The biggest plus is that you can add mods to Java. And is more like.. full of players and has bigger community.

@LeCaleb

10 ай бұрын

How do you play with friends online on Java without having to buy a server?

As a Bedrock player, I don't think it will happen. Java is like the original that is getting preserved. Like… preserving the original crafts of famous artists in history when you can make better nowadays.

@Reymax164

Жыл бұрын

Wait… I got gifted a membership?! Already unsubbed not too long ago. I came here after seeing his tweet since I still follow him in Twitter.

*A large point that is overlooked is having to transfer/edit world chunks.* It is doubtful many will switch from their decade old survival/creative worlds so they need to optimize converting them (including entities such as chests and mobs) in addition to the ability to edit chunks (to clear space for the save data and so it reset generation for fewer updates). The things so far have only been achieved via third party tools yet are necessary for Java or players who actively switch between both versions.

Java won't die out because if that's the case, then so will bedrock too. Don't get me wrong, I'm a mobile player. If the reason as to why Java would get less and less players over the years is because of parity, then the most logical concept would be the two platforms merging into one. No Bedrock, no Java, just Minecraft. Maybe it would become Minecraft: Universal.

@chandrahasreddy1729

Жыл бұрын

Yea this one will be awesome

Agreed. Ultimately it will be a business decision. Maintaining 2 platforms is expensive.

@WafelixRox

Жыл бұрын

Bit** please, mojang is owned by the biggest A$$ fuc**** on this planet called microsoft, you think it's expensive for them if xbox is such a failure anyway?? Grow up brain cells.. They only care about bedrock because it have marketplace aka scamplace..seriously humanity is such a dissapointment this days

@bq99

Жыл бұрын

Thair owned by Microsoft

@wolfbad512

Жыл бұрын

@@bq99and? They still need to turn in good profit soo that Microsoft doesn't shut them down

@crazygaims4280

Жыл бұрын

But it’s Microsoft do they really need that budget

@wolfbad512

Жыл бұрын

@@crazygaims4280 yeah the point of a business is to make more money

Only Windows users have a choice between Java and Bedrock, right? For any other platform you either only get Java (Linux/Mac) or Bedrock (console/Android).

@shitalsawant1973

Жыл бұрын

Chrome OS users too

@johnkenrickchua1811

Жыл бұрын

Yup Java is only for PC since I have never seen anyone play Java on any other platform

@mcmadness110

Жыл бұрын

Pojav launcher allows you to play Java on mobile. Also, that was further modded to play Java stand-alone on quest vr

Java is faster with redstone, a mcbe piston takes 4 game ticks to retract but in Java it’s 2 game ticks, also shaders(not Rtx) is discontinued on bedrock

The only reason I fire up java is when I pretend I'm going to do a superflat with structures.

what happens to my custom texture pack i use in java how easy will it be to convert that to bedrock? I have only ever used java and i love playing modded.

Very engaging video! I have especially seen all of the parody changes to bedrock lately and it makes sense!

I think you’re close but I think it’ll happen a little more abruptly. Once it even begins to appear on the horizon that bedrock can do 70-80% of the mods that Java can, Microsoft will cut their dev team be 50% to save money. And that means bye bye Java. But overall, I think you’re pretty correct on how it happens.

This was the most catchiest video of you Lol i actually jumped right in looking at the title 💀✨

Beta 1.7.3 with mods like Better than adventure is the way for me

all bedrock need to do is make it so you can change texture packs without leaving leaving your server/world that would be a life saver

Weirdly enough I think, contrary to you, they are implementing things into Bedrock to make it more popular. With Java there is a lot of freedom, being able to code and use so many mods, whereas Bedrock is kind of limited. I kind of think of Bedrock as being comparable with Apple and Java being the Android version. As always, it is a matter of taste and skills. :) I do not think that any version will be erased but rather both will merge into one for all.

@seniorbob6070

Жыл бұрын

They can't merge, theyre two different code bases, ill tell you what will happen, there will still be java and bedrock editions that you can play and they both will continue to receive updates. Its up to the choice of the player to pick which one to play. All this nonsense about removing java edition won't happen

@OLDmanBOB

Жыл бұрын

@@seniorbob6070 Counter Argument: Microsoft makes more money when a player is on bedrock through microtransactions.

@cadeeja.

Жыл бұрын

@@seniorbob6070 Merging doesn't have to mean in coding, but by crossing platforms. I was thinking along those lines. As far as I know it can bw done using certain mechanics. I'm no coder, but I do know that there are servers for Java and Bedrock where players of the both can play together.

@Poopholder

10 ай бұрын

@@seniorbob6070 exactly. java edition feels more like an immersive easel that players can change to their own desires, while the base feel of it changes along the way with occasional updates. bedrock feels more like... bedrock, to where it's in a solid state, only changeable by those in power.

I honestly think that if java dies then so does the entirety of Minecraft for me. The marketplace on bedrock alone is what turns me off from the version entirely. Why would I pay for something that has a probably better version available through a mod or map for free on java. Mojang removing java support, while likely, will probably be the biggest mistake they'll ever make.

@annasmith5216

Жыл бұрын

source code is public for Minecraft java & thanks to programmers who love this game, there will probably always be some freelance devs who will maintain it, I wouldn’t worry

@dinglenut9405

Жыл бұрын

​@@annasmith5216 same

What was the mod store that was shown from the 4m10s mark?

I am a bedrock player but I hope java doesn't shut down at least not so soon, java is part of my childhood and i still played with it even though I have a garbage computer.

Kinda hope this don't happen. Minecraft Bedrock probably is not gonna come to Linux/Steam Deck any time soon and I would not want to be on a dying platform 🙏

@shitalsawant1973

Жыл бұрын

Bedrock and Java are already there on SteamDeck bruh💀🗿

@Atius

Жыл бұрын

@@shitalsawant1973 Bedrock isn't on the Steam Deck?

Whew. For a while there I had foolishly thought clickbait had become antiquated, so far as my feed was concerned anyhow. Thank the heavens for *this* video. Salient points though and if im honest i must say we are in agreement. Solid, well thought out and explained talking points while also succinct and to the point.

Guys have a question: Can blocks despawn? Cause when im mining on nether its so laggy (bedrock)

Seems like kind of a Ship of Theseus thing, then, for Java edition. Even if it's not the same code base, if the new rendition of Java via Bedrock with mods plays the same as the original Java edition then is the difference anything more than philosophical?

@jackcook9005

Жыл бұрын

Well the difference is that its actually not quite so philosophical. I find it highly unlikely that bedrock will ever truly emulate java as it would be unable to emulate some of the core values. One of which is javas absolute freedom, especially in terms of modding. The developer tools for bedrock add-ons don't give you access to qll the internal moving parts so bedrock mods will never be as involved as java mods. Microsoft would have to surrender additional dev tools to allow for this, which currently does not seem to be in thier interests to do.

A lot of java servers are already starting bedrock compatibility, plus a bunch of the popular java mods have been added to bedrock as custom add-ons

They won't do that because their biggest content creators have said they will not swap to bedrock edition, and will stick to mods that add in content that bedrock edition adds, making the entire thing pointless.

They don't create parity between two versions of the same game just to give everyone the same experience. Ones going to go and it will most probably be the players that make it happen

5:23 - I think that this point alone (that Java Modders will be able to keep updating Java Edition to emulate future Mojang updates) would be reason alone that Java Edition will never really die out if Mojang ever decides to discontinue it. In all honesty, Java Edition Modders are already key to keeping it alive with things like Optifine, Paper, Bukkit, Spigot, Sodium, Phosphor, Dynamic FPS, and other performance enhancing/fixing mods and server plug-ins that keep the game playable and running at an acceptable FPS. On a different note, while I agree with the premise that Mojang/Microsoft may one day discontinue support for Java Edition, I don't think that this will be happening any time son. The biggest issue is that the main development minds that are driving the development process are all mainly Java Edition players and are much more familiar with how the Java Edition game works. All of the people that we know of as developers (Jeb, Agnes, Kingbdogz, Ulraf, Cory, Dinnerbone, Grumm, gnembon, Slicedlime, etc.) are all part of the Java team. Mojang would have to do a lot of work in developing new talent to compliment this group of people, but to have them designing new content in C++/Bedrock Edition codebase rather than developing in Java and then porting things over to Bedrock. Java Edition isn't going anywhere as long as the people driving the ship are Java players.

@ShiroCh_ID

Жыл бұрын

agreeed, Especially Jens/Jeb Heis the man that driving Minecraft Development Ever since 1.0 along with Notch,altough Notch Left The Company Jeb still became the main devs in Minecraft, as of fact Vilagers and Breewing Stand were some of the ideas of Jeb

@HurricaneGabby

Жыл бұрын

You forget that, even with all those performance mods, bedrock still runs much faster and smoother. At some point people won't be able to tell the difference between the two, they'll just know that both have lots of cool mods, but bedrock has much better performance. There won't be much incentive to mod Java when most of the player base has already left.

@wolfbad512

Жыл бұрын

That's really if Mojang allows them to since it's their own property it wouldn't make sense to let ppl give it out for free

@user-bi1vv3vq3i

Жыл бұрын

@@HurricaneGabby Bedrock Edition has a lot of input delay, and that'll definitely affect the experience for most PvP players.

@HurricaneGabby

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bi1vv3vq3i input delay has nothing to do with C++ versus Java programming, whereas performance does. Mojang already knows they have to improve Bedrock more, that's the whole point of the video to begin with. You're just pointing out another thing that can be fixed in an update.

F$#% bedrock for one big reason alone. Microtransactions. I will never swap, because the joy of minecraft is buying and having a one and done game.

The main thing keeping me from switching over is just how much different bedrock looks and feels to play. The player animations, item holding, block breaking, it all looks pretty different. I’ve played java for over a decade at this point so it’s weird having everything be so different. To me it feels like a version of minecraft but made for kids. Which i guess is the case with the marketplace and emotes.

@PeterEnis69

9 ай бұрын

exactly

@jwalster9412

8 ай бұрын

I've played console (plus bedrock) for over a decade, and I'm just not used to mouse and keyboard enough to play confidently. I don't know if java is game pad compatible, I would definitely love to switch over rand migrate data if I feel it's worth it.

We had the ability to mod console but mojang took that away through mc addons which made the process easier but afterwards there was a 2 year debate with the creators of the app and mojang decided to shelve it

I mainly use Java to build locations for Minecraft animations. Bedrock worlds can't be imported directly to Mine-Imator, so I have to use Java Edition for this type of stuff. Either that or I convert the world over.

One thing that is not tackled here is if java edition is completely gets removed from their official launcher. As in nada... Can't download any version of it. At that point hopefully someone creates atleast a standalone launcher without needing to log in to that launcher's sites/servers. Right now we got many launcher for minecraft that we could use just in-case. (Please if you are using TLauncher, any of the 2 versions... Atleast be wary and check for spyware)

Came over from stream to make sure I watched this!!!

Always wondered how many player uaing mods. I'm not talking about mods like Skyblock or One Block (those are also available for Bedrock for free), but mods like Create. I don't think mods are that huge overall.

This would be my preferred way out. If they can genuinely improve bedrock to the point where i will prefer it over java, then I'll switch. However transferring my world would suck because there's no way they're gonna make java redstone compatible while satisfying all players

@scorpmajors1864

Жыл бұрын

I am a bedrock player and love redstone. A little while ago I was watching some of the stuff that Mumbo has done and I am sooo jealous of the java redstone capabilities. None-the-less, I stay on bedrock as that is where my friends are. I think this is how its going to go for most redstoners.

You have made some good points, however there is one thing you failed to account for, the 1.19.1 update aka 1.19.84, the infamous player chat report feature. This may be wishful thinking on my part but given all thw controversy it caused and the fact that the no chat report mods were quickly developed to counter them a lot of people with a general distaste for this feature are running this mod on thier servers even if they would otherwise be vanilla. On java the most that can happen is that you lose multiplayer access, however on xbox and perhaps on bedrock as a whole you can lose singleplayer functionality as well. Since all the mods have to go through the marketplace it seems unlikely that Microsoft will allow such a mod to be host there. Meaning that despite thier best efforts, java will persist due to the comfort this mod brings. There's also the fact that there a few other major points that have especially kept me personally from switching, those being the marketplace and the microtransactions it introduces, the lack of QC and nondeterministic redstone. I feel like if bedrock is to have any chance at killing java it will need to correct these things

Whilst I agree, I really don’t want this to happen. I really dislike playing the Bedrock edition, and I would rather quit MC altogether than have Bedrock be the only version left. That’s just my opinion.

I ultimately believe it will be up to the content creators to get people to believe bedrock is a better platform. They listen to them more than I believe most realize. Java will be around as long as major content creators are making the content.

@jwalster9412

8 ай бұрын

I play bedrock. I'm just too used to playing on a PlayStation controller, as that's what I did and have been doing since i first played Minecraft. Bedrock has too much priority set on profit, unlike the classic console editions, where they were robust and super stable. I have had many issues with the "flushed out" (a.k.a make it look pretty and release unstable updates) bedrock edition. The lighting system is terrible. I've always hated the transparent slabs, and how the lighting *literally never matches the full blocks around them* and the stairs don't match either. But what I hate even more is the store front. It ruins the front page of the menu. You boot up the game, only to be greeted with some thrown together abomination of Minecraft and movie characters. How did it take them a month to add shorter sneaking and another month to add crawling?

i think that they will have to spin off mobile from bedrock first since it is really holding bedrock back but have a world transfer tool so you can put your mobile worlds on console/pc

You have some good points, though I think there are some more aspects that you didn't mention in your video (Servers and plugin capabilities, technical players and datapack makers to name a few), but I don't know how much that actually weighs in the grand scheme of things. As someone who draws most of my enjoyment in Minecraft from making Datapacks for Java, I'd feel pretty sad if it stops getting supported, due to Bedrock's command capabilities being insanely limited compared to it. To me, that would basically mean the death of Minecraft as I know it. I really hope it won't happen, or that they at least support Bedrock commands to be on a similar level to Java if it does happen.

@greenwardon

Жыл бұрын

@SilicatYT, I've been noticing the commands are getting updated, like the execute a few months ago to the new way to specify block states that just happened. Are these changes anything close to what is needed for Java parity?

@RaythMinecraft

Жыл бұрын

@@greenwardon on top of this, they've started giving us the ability to include some json into bedrock commands as well.

@SilicatYT

Жыл бұрын

@@greenwardon I don't know exactly how far Bedrock is, I just know that it's lacking a ton of features still (But also has some features that are superior to Java). I don't know any specifics though, sorry

I’m pretty sure they are gonna remove a edition because I don’t think they would remove the main version of Minecraft I think bedrock will die and console players will be able to have java edition but with no mods

Their biggest mistake in all of this was to have different Minecraft versions to begin with. Running different versions besides splitting the community also splits developer resources. Expectations from both are different. And I don't see them abandoning one for the other, it would create far too much backlash on either side. They did a mistake in running a split version game variant and that is what they will be end up maintaining. And i'm pretty sure if they give up Java modders will not, it's just a whole development platform they won't be giving that up.

Hi Mr Prowl. New player here. Just started playing on Bedrock and now I keep hearing about this 1.20 update. Will this update change my current world? I found a double spawner and would like to keep it. Should I start a new world when the update comes out? Looks like they have many new interesting stuff

@MoCsomeone

Жыл бұрын

Updates will only change unloaded chunks. Any chunk you've loaded (anything you've seen) will stay exactly the same.

@zulfahmi1664

Жыл бұрын

@@MoCsomeone thanks!

@MoCsomeone

Жыл бұрын

@@zulfahmi1664 You're welcome. Have fun!

Minecraft will live forever. At some point the parity differences will equalize and both bedrock and Java will become moot and we will be left with Minecraft

One major point that Java has that it has already a hell lot of mods and for bedrock to catch up in mod it will prob. Need another decade

You forgot that Java you can get free servers where in bedrock you have to pay for a realms and not be able to have 1000 players on the realm

wut about hypixel? i literraly just switched to java for that

Got my FULL attention when he said replay mod for bedrock

@dinglenut9405

Жыл бұрын

Now I'm gonna make a mod showcase with replay 💀💀

Some valid points there prowl!

I think your wrong.. about who will shut down Java.. it will be Microsoft. Bedrock is a cash cow Microsoft has always wanted with the marketplace (Micro transactions) and when they shut down development.. most Java players will still stay on Java.. because the mod'ers are putting out way better content then mohjang. So keep enjoying your Bedrock Vanilla.. and will keep loving the mod'ing community with Java.

Redstone is one of its greatest hurdles. They have to be near parody for the switch to happen for a lot of people.

@Rocketcraft

Жыл бұрын

For a time there was quasi connectivity in bedrock near when it first launched. But they decided to remove it as it wasn’t originally an intended feature for java either (just like the nether roof). So we know that bedrock has the capability to do it, the devs just don’t want it in bedrock, which I’m fine with.

I play both...Bedrock isn't anywhere near up to scratch. Especially bugreporting and fixing is dramatic. It takes ages. Silent can do an entire show on bugs that somehow can't or won't be fixed. All major content creators are Java. Just Mumbo has more of an audience than Prowl and Silent combined. It'be weird to kill your flagship. Basically I couldn't disagree more on this. I think it's going to happen for sure. But Bedrock is just not cutting it right now and won't be in the foreseable future... parity issues only pile up... support for the community via bugreporting and feedback sites are lacking, RTX seems to be a dead project for there hasn't been any development since mid 2019 (Hallad did a video on that). I just don't know where to start. If Bedrock has to become the main and only version of Minecraft we are left with the "work in progress" software Microsoft is known for filled with bugs that'll "definitely be fixed" in the next paid-for release.

first: minecraft java not gonna go anywhere but, mojang will ignore java edition and update bedrock second: if anything happend and java edition got canceled, i think its time to try something different like hytale, or not , its your decision third: real minecraft is java minecraft not bedrock, bedrock is the recreation of java minecraft with C++ dont forget: bad entity animations and movement bad skeleton AI bad health regeneration nightmare wither (you cant even get close to it let alone killing it) everything is slow no F3 menu bad redstone (if they fixed these issues it would be awsome)

Bedrock needs a smoother creative inventory as well as better combat. Java is leaps and bounds ahead in pvp.

as a bedrock, java, beta. and xbox 360 player, i have a feeling bedrock won't outgrown java (due to experience i've had with bedrock console and PC) there are (at the moment) far to many bugs for a large mass of players to switch to bedrock, while the points you've made are good, but bedrock will need far more work then mentioned in this video

@kablard

Жыл бұрын

Wait you play Bedrock on 360?

@CuteistFox

7 ай бұрын

its called bbugrock dou to all the bugs

I stay with java because of the redstone inconveniences with bedrock. I need to know my builds will function properly.

I'd love to get a peek into Mojang/Microsoft's kanban. I use Bedrock mostly because with a fancy DNS tool I can play my server on the switch, PC, mobile and any other device that runs it. It's just so flexible like that. I've considered switching to Java to try out some mods, though right now I haven't had enough of vanilla yet and if I end up liking a mod, I'll do what? Lug my desktop to the toilet so I can mine some sweet ore while I take a dump? Java is awesome though, and the community behind it is core and the mods do look amazing. My only worry is they'll paywall some of the creator stuff and put all the mods in a marketplace or whatever. Though to be fair, as long as it's favourable for the creators monetarily it might be a more stable income for them. My experience of larger companies however is that they like money, and they have more money than you, and just like how addictive pay to play is breadcrumbing you into a pit of debt, mod to earn will breadcrumb you into doing their dirty work. What do I know though? I'm just a cat's face in a moon.

Mojang has a multitude of *major* fixes they need to implement into Bedrock if they want to shut down Java.

Here’s the thing tho- Most people who play Bedrock, only play Bedrock because they can’t play Java. And that’s the truth

I think the biggest reason for having 2 versions is the quasi connectivity of redstone. I get why bedrock doesn't have it, since it's originally a bug and it doesn't really make sense gameplay-wise but Java players love it and would riot if Mojang removed it.

YT seriously recommended me this on April 1st 💀💀

Agreed...back to ur stream...happy birthday 🎉

Anyone think we'll get a macOS release? I'm not too hopeful given that we didn't for Dungeons...

Before the can even consider killing off Java without major backlash, they will need to fix a few issues that rarely happen in Java. And mind you, the one and only reason why there is more player base on Bedrock to Java, is the fact that Java is only coded for PC, all the while Bedrock is coded for a multitude of platforms, from phones and tablets, to gaming consoles, and PC as well. As for Bedrock issues, number one thing that is needed to be fixed is the lag spikes. I don't care what people say, it is a massive issues between ALL platforms that is has bad lag spikes. Even for me, who is playing on a $9k PC will still run into lag spikes from time to time. The random times you will get hurt for no reason is another big issue. And as you said, the modding community is huge on Java compared to Bedrock. They will also need to make it where people can share their work for free as well, if the creators want to, which is one of the biggest things I hate about Bedrock, there is as of now, only 13 free downloads on the Market compared to the literal thousands on Java.

So no more shaders?

I’d say they should remove bedrock and bring back console Legacy edition and update to 1.19

Java has free skins that people can customize personally And i doubt mojang is willing to get rid of microtransactions

My biggest issues with Bedrock is that the chunk issues with redstone machines and the fact that I can set a work block for a villager in their face and they will still go after a workstation 30 blocks away

Is bedrock going to have shaders

I am waiting for a day to play Bedrock on my Mac without a VM in the middle.

[Edit: I forgot about how Bedrock may be superior in terms of visual performance, but also has a lot of bugs at times, and censorship is a little over the top, even for singleplayer worlds. And there might be more I haven't thought about too.] I don't think Minecraft Java will literally be removed ever from Mojang, but more so Java will be forgotten. Java Edition at some point could become the new Minecraft Beta of nostalgia, where occasionally people will play it, but everyone will be on Bedrock. I know people hate it at first because of the Marketplace on there, but you have to remember that: A. You don't have to buy anything from there if you don't want to. There are other ways of downloading downloading maps and addons without paying for them and... B. When you do pay for Marketplace content, some of the money goes to the creator and not just Mojang, or Microsoft. So you could actually make your own maps, texture packs, or skinpacks, become a Marketplace partner, and make it into a job or a side job.

@jamzqool

Жыл бұрын

marketplace is just a small reason why java youtubers won't move to bedrock

@BanDit49_

Жыл бұрын

It's not only the marketplace that makes bedrock a shitty experience tho

If Mojang wants me on Bedrock then these things need to change for me. Shades like BSL shades needs to get added in Bedrock. Not all of us have the money for a RTX card. Iron golem spawning should be more a kind to Java. So that a iron farm does not need about 20 Villagers to get going,but you only need three. Also Redstone needs to be fully on par with Java. And a F3 screen needs to be added.

@Rocketcraft

Жыл бұрын

F3 is a crutch and considered cheating by Jeb, it’s not coming to bedrock natively. Possible via addons though. I can’t see why they would add an unintended glitch to bedrock like quasi connectivity either, the redstone on bedrock isn’t perfect by any means. But I can’t see it getting changed drastically like that. And iron farms on java are too ridiculously easy to set up. The effort/payoff ratio is way off. Bedrock farms usually always require more effort making it seem like bedrock is the more challenging version to play on. If you like things easy then stick to java

I don't know if I like the idea of merging the two editions because simply how are they gonna do that? Red stone in bedrock might be ruined because of the merge and big changes to redstone. I think Microsoft should make a new minecraft version (merged bedrock and Java) and very slowly stop giving updates to bedrock and perhaps Java. A lot to think about I am a bedrock player (pocket edition), but I am a Java fan and never been able to afford a computer to play Java.

The only thing I want as a bedrock player is better modding capabilities. We don't have things like custom dimensions and can't modify custom block mining speed for if you are holding a pickaxe or not. I hope they at least get close to replicating java.

@AquaQuokka

Жыл бұрын

Bedrock is made in a programming language called C++, which is a low-level programming language, so you need to know a lot about hardware and software to use it. It is also very difficult to read if there's a lot of it. Java edition is made in Java, which is a high-level programming language. Java is a lot easier to use than C++, so therefore Java edition will always have better modding capibilities.

The Day Java dies is the day i stop playing Minecraft

I really hope marketplace is coming to java so we can support mod creator on java and getting feature directly from mojang

@RedStone576

8 ай бұрын

yeah no, marketplace is too corrupted to exist for the java community

I'd expect them to go the route of them releasing Minecraft 2, stopping support of the old versions and making us buy it again.

I think Mojang knows better than to completely remove Java Edition. I just hope that Microsoft knows better. 👀

its impossible for them to implement full parity between the 2 versions, and honestly that will drive away many people including me. Minecraft mods and datapacks have a big player base with over 100M people and since they are .jar folders, won't run on bedrock and will make minecraft lose players

If they fix redstone in bedrock and make it feel more “fluid” like java. Then I would play bedrock. But if they can’t get redstone to work like java then java will never die.

You forgot to explain why people would rather pay for mods that java players get for free. Speaking from a Bedrock player who switched to Java, the game feels nicer in Java plus its nostalgic being the original version/language of the game. I've played every platform of Minecraft exept for VR, and No offense but I would much rather get mods for free plus that nostalgia instead of paying for them, whether or not I have to make said mod myself. I also understand not everybody wants to make mods, me personally I have coded my own small games and such so I am more comfortable than most.

so we cant purchase minecraft anymore ? :(

I hope graphics of bedrock stays the same😊

Considering that they have to developer Bedrock for the lowest common denominator (a cell phone) I don’t see any of these features being comparable to Java edition. Red stone will never be the same on both platforms and that’s a huge turnoff for Java players. Even if replay on bedrock works it’s almost certainly going to have less features than the Java one. I can go on and on but I’ll just end with this. I (and all the people I know) aren’t moving to Bedrock for one simple reason. Let’s say all those mods and all that come to Bedrock. I’m not paying to get them from the store when they were free on Java.

Bro please make a sand duper which works even with single player its very important

The reason why I don't think the job version's going down anytime soon goodude cause they have the free mods if badrock made the marketplace free then it would change

@mrchapin94

Жыл бұрын

The Java version