What’s even more amazing is there were additional Mindset computers and peripherals found in subsequent months. The owner of Computer Reset said he procured these from a computer graphics artist in the 1980s. This is the ONLY video about this computer on KZread!

@mstandish

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting Dave do a video on this. I have never heard of the computer before so it was really cool to watch. It would be even more cool if you did a follow up video (hint hint).

@justahungarianguy

4 жыл бұрын

Hey @The Obsolete Geek ! Please make More videos

@RonLaws

4 жыл бұрын

Please do your own teardown on this when you get it! the mystery of the sound is tantalising!

@JapanPop

4 жыл бұрын

Rob: So glad you got this hardware to Dave! Greets from the FB Computer Reset group.

@ModernVintageGamer

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob

Wait, so in this timeline, Mindset failed? That's SO weird! Sent from my MindPhone

@CardboardSliver

4 жыл бұрын

What do you think of the new MindOS 10? Sent from my Mindpad

@Kat21

3 жыл бұрын

@@CardboardSliver It's pretty good! I like all the features like the paint program. Brings me back to the old times. Sent from my MindOS 10 Desktop

@delorean8526

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kat21 What are the specifications for MindOS 10? In my timeline Mindset failed so I wanted to know if my system would support it (assuming I could ever get a copy). Main Stuff ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Motherboard: Cyrix ProG with 2x Firewire 1600, 4x Firewire 800, 2x Infiniband HDR+, and Proxim Wireless Built-in CPU: Cyrix Cx4800 GPU: Matrox Mystique-9 5Gb with 3x Displayport and 1x DMS-59 Sound: Aureal Vortex 3 Pro (A3D 5.0 compatible) RAM: 32GB Nanya DDR4-2666 (8x4GB in quad-channel configuration) OS: IBM OS2 Warp 7 Storage: 512GB PrairieTek Solid State Drive (boot drive) 4x 1TB Iomega 10k HDD (for game storage) Extras ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1x HD-DVD Drive 1x SuperFloppy Drive (for backwards compatibility)

@delorean8526

3 жыл бұрын

@John Wagner It does indeed. However, it still is early on in its development. It also has support for the BeOS kernal through running a virtualized version of Haiku (so while it's just a virtual machine, it's at least an officially supported one)

@odysseyguyperson

3 жыл бұрын

MindOS 11 is in beta. It’s going to be awesome! Sent From My MindOS 11 Beta Computer Also kinda odd how ♉︎♋︎♎︎♍︎♌︎♎︎♎︎♉︎ released it so early. I’ve been ♎︎♊︎♎︎♉︎♊︎♎︎♍︎ a lot of corrupti♋︎♏︎. any idea why?

Vyper looks absolutely stunning for 1984

@TheZax85

2 жыл бұрын

I agree... Was totally blown away :O

@miaouew

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@kidwolf0015

2 жыл бұрын

That face... It's so familiar, but not exactly in a positive way.... I feel as though someone or something is scolding me for a wrong doing. What game is this face icon from again?

@Squonk06

2 жыл бұрын

@@kidwolf0015 RollerCoaster Tycoon.

@kidwolf0015

2 жыл бұрын

@@Squonk06 I knew it! I knew I recognized it from a tycoon game! ...and the memories of nonstop judgment are brought back on to me.... Yayyy...... 😓

"It has ball of steel!" What a great Duke Nukem reference, LGR would be proud of you, David.

@heyidiot

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, in those days, most mice has balls of steel.

@klausstock8020

4 жыл бұрын

@@heyidiot This is true, they just had a rubber coating to make them more sticky. Now I have the disturbing thought that the computer system named "girlfriend" (Amiga) also had balls of steel... BTW, the Amiga also had a 16 color RGBI output (via a round DIN socket). I suppose the hardware somehow mapped the 4096 possible colors into their RGBI counterparts (but I guess no one ever did). Not sure how the Mindset worked this; it had a palette of 512 colors ("9 bit RGB") of which it could display 16 colors simultaneously.

@bojackson3073

3 жыл бұрын

@@klausstock8020 Balls of steel

I imagine some executive laying awake in bed late at night thinking back to when he told the team "it's compatible enough, we're good" and how that ruined his company

@gloomyblackfur399

3 жыл бұрын

Executives rarely have second thoughts like that. They just get a golden parachute and another high-paying job.

@YllwNinja82

3 жыл бұрын

that's why CEO's make so much, they take all the risk, if they screw up everyone is out of work!

@strictnonconformist7369

2 жыл бұрын

Being this was released in 1984 and as I write this, that’s 38 years later, and most CEOs aren’t exactly young to become a CEO, I suspect without looking, the Mindset CEO has died of old age by now. Such is life.

@David - the reason Planet X3 fails, is because while the Mindset does implement the BIOS calls for CGA video (INT 10H), it does NOT implement the CGA hardware registers (nor the hardware registers for the PC speaker) AT ALL. The mindset framebuffer can be located anywhere in memory, and can be changed to anywhere in memory, as well as being able to have its bit blitter move graphics data _very_ quickly through the system memory. (In this way, it's very much like a proto-Amiga, sans hardware sprites). The nice thing is, that while the IBM PC BIOS functions were horrible piles of crap, the ROM BIOS functions on the mindset (INT traps 0xEE and 0xEF) are very flexible and reasonably fast, especially since a lot of them cause graphics coprocessor commands to be emitted over DMA, and so you could probably port Planet X3 with little effort to use the advanced graphics features of the mindset. :)

@DJSvenNo1

4 жыл бұрын

Would love to see an X3 port video!

@eddievhfan1984

4 жыл бұрын

Would it be possible/sensible to set up a TSR to transparently remap the CGA registers to memory for seamless compatibility, or do you lose too much speed in the process?

@johnps1670

4 жыл бұрын

@@DJSvenNo1 It doubles the number of special written games for this gem.

@tschak909

4 жыл бұрын

@@eddievhfan1984 it's worth a shot! Would be really easy to implement.

@genericgreensquid6669

4 жыл бұрын

I really hope david sees this message cause that'd make for a great video/update

10:45 this is collision detection, and can be remarkably complex as in its most basic form the computer has to compare the position of every object against every other object. While i can't say for sure, the fact that they built a demo around it says to me that they probably had a function specifically for it that could be used by program designers. Thus the demo was probably to show off its features and act as a template for developers.

@romaneberle

Жыл бұрын

yeah, that's pretty much sprite collision detection i guess, and it does both transparent (pacman) and opaque (hit!) drawing, a bit like a blitter?

The designer listed on the MoMA page is Robert Brunner - he went on to lead the Apple Industrial design team, and was responsible for a lot of their mid 90s design direction. He is also the guy who hired Jony Ive

What a fantastically unique machine, thanks to you and Rob for sharing this! Those graphics seriously blow my mind, I can only wonder what else could be done with this hardware.

@djsquarewave

4 жыл бұрын

Here's hoping the exposure brings some demoscene coders to the table to really exploit those hardware graphics. :)

@almostliterally593

3 жыл бұрын

It would have been an amazing game machine

@michaelblair5566

3 жыл бұрын

This could have been the Amiga years earlier.

@user-ci2jk3dl2s

3 жыл бұрын

Hi

@DemeDemetre

3 жыл бұрын

wish i could go there.....

It's slowly becoming more clear to the public at large that Computer Reset is a serious treasure trove of computer history. That place NEEDS to be preserved!

@bradcavanagh3092

4 жыл бұрын

It needs a halon fire suppression system more than anything!

@CardboardSliver

4 жыл бұрын

It needs a group of people to come in, and organize things.

@rapscallion3506

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but don't let the Fire Marshall catch a wiff of this place then it would be curtains, siyanora, adios and ciao.

@dickymain8604

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly, its shut down. Richard had some health issues and did a big sellout around 2 or 3 weeks ago, and hes ending the buisness. He's been a family friend for decades, and sadly ive only known him for half of one. Good man though, an honor to have helped him with his buisness

@dickymain8604

4 жыл бұрын

And I could be mistaken, but he called me to notify me of his sellout a few weeks ago, and I sadly didn't go because I was on vacation. However, if he ever decides to lemme drive that firebird, I'd be down in a jiffy 😉

9:20 "Volume in drive A is NOTFORSALE!" Me: Dang it, I wanted to buy the volume in drive A! :( :P

@moonlover5544

3 жыл бұрын

:D I wanted to write the same comment but then i saw yours but that is true XD And i am not the one of "r/Whoosh"ers who doesnt know the joke don't worry

@robertsteel3563

3 жыл бұрын

@@moonlover5544 That's fine, if you say that you're in the same mindset as me, I can understand!

@moonlover5544

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertsteel3563 😄

This machine was recently promoted to working in MAME.

@MinecrafterPictures

4 жыл бұрын

I played Vyper in MAME Also liked for truth

@ardentruby873

4 жыл бұрын

Wait. Are you the same Stereophonic working on the Mother 1+2 translation?

@Sterophonick

4 жыл бұрын

@@ardentruby873 yes!

@kimgkomg

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sterophonick when will you start on the mother 4 translation?

@Sterophonick

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimgkomg Winter 2014

The "Pacman" program demonstrates the feature of hardware sprite collision

@tschak909

4 жыл бұрын

yup, hardware collision detection, but the system did not have sprites, rather blitter objects (BOBs)

@markpenrice6253

4 жыл бұрын

@@tschak909 ... OK, I'm sort of familiar with how that works at a software level, but what's the difference when we're talking about hardware? Is it just a technical difference owing to what chips are involved and how, or does it affect performance and programming technique as well?

@tschak909

4 жыл бұрын

​@@markpenrice6253 There is a pair of graphics and display coprocessors involved that DMAs their instructions and data out of main memory. As such, writing to the hardware directly isn't as straightforward as on standard PCs. This is why Mindset spent so much time and energy making an excellent BIOS interface that can not only handle all of the various operations that the GCP/DP and audio processors can handle, but be able to schedule many of the same type very quickly with a single call, so the BIOS interface is actually pretty fast, unlike every other MS-DOS machine of the time. You can see some demos here: i.imgur.com/sR5U6jJ.gif the colorbars draws in less time than one frame. Boxes spits out a queue of 128 operations to the GCP (it can do more), and the pause is because it's randomizing 128 more before sending them out... Polyline also sends 128 seperate polylines per color before changing color. Polygons is slowest, filling one 8-sided random polygon per call.

@joeg4707

4 жыл бұрын

@@tschak909 What was the compiler?

@tschak909

4 жыл бұрын

@@joeg4707 for the new demos? I'm using WATCOM C (OpenWatcom) . The compiler intended on the original ISV disks was Microsoft C, Pascal, or Assembler. (At that time, Microsoft C was a rebadged version of Lattice C 2.0 for 8086..WATCOM has an infinitely better optimizer.)

Oh my God, I've seen that before, including Vyper. The more you talked, the more familiar it all sounded. Then you played the game and I remembered it. I used to work for Synapse Software, and Synapse developed Vyper. Yep, we had that computer at the back of the office! The actual look of the system isn't familiar, I think we had pre-production hardware.

@djhenyo

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have any early prototypes of Vyper or Mindset development software saved on some old floppies somewhere?

@joshuascholar3220

4 жыл бұрын

@@djhenyo no. I don't have anything.

@tysonjacobs4841

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Synapse was one of the best. What did you work on?

@epobirs

4 жыл бұрын

I was an Atari 800 guy, so Synapse was a big name for me then and I recognized Kelly Day's name on the game. I was very interested in the Mindset because I first about it as having the involvement of some former Atari chip designers, much like the Amiga. The Amiga was still a mysterious product that had yet to ship anything but game controllers, so the Mindset, with a lengthy story in Byte on the technology, was a fascination of mine for that year. archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1984-04/page/n269

@terminus8444

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome! Had the Atari 800 (GTIA chipset) and Synapse Software was a true powerhouse in those days! So many great and memorable titles by some damn amazing programmers! Thanks for being a part of that wonderful time in my life, you guys at Synapse were a major inspiration!

the Mindset was started by a group of former Atari people, so the use of specialized chips makes since when you think of the Atari specialized chips.

@eekee6034

2 жыл бұрын

Haha! That makes total sense, considering the graphics. I love Atari's innovation. :)

Would have been very interesting to actually see that system alter a video source with overlays in real time. That's what a Mindset was really for, most TV stations here in Germany used these boxes to inject text into the original source, i.e. the score of a soccer game, lottery numbers, and so on. My dad used to work for ZDF and proper use of these machines were the secret for having a lot nicer screen texts than the competing ARD, in the mid 80s at least. I even own a Mindset (S/N 000108) that I found in the attic after my dad passed away. Same config as here but with DOS on a cartridge. Will try to repair (it does not turn on) that gem as soon as possible. This video did a great job motivating me after the machine sat in my attic for yet another decade by now...

@MultiArrie

2 жыл бұрын

Was going to ask how german public tv is competing eachother, as in my youth we could recieve 3 german tv chanels next ARD ZDF WDR to NED 1 and 2. After reading some wiki pages its just as complicated as the Dutch public tv.

@shalomhabibi9594

Жыл бұрын

damn

@rutgerb

Жыл бұрын

@@MultiArrie ah yes knightrider, a-team and Bud&Spencer in German.

The AT program is showing the coprocessor interaction between the bit blitter _AND_ the hardware collision detection registers, which were nicely exposed in the BASIC.

@MagnaRyuuDesigns

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh, just threw you a sub cause of your knowledge :D

@DS-dd7vf

4 жыл бұрын

Obviously. :S

@fouroakfarm

4 жыл бұрын

Ya....what he said

@JoeStuffz

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. It looks like sample code to show people how to make a video game. It looks like it's made to be as simple as possible so that people can understand that code. It's impressive considering it's being run from BASIC

@thegenerousdegenerate9395

4 жыл бұрын

This sounds like one of things average people say to make fun of intelligent people. "Ah yes, its quite clear that the dynamic iso-actuator is running into micro oscillations cause the kinetic propagation field was misaligned from an improper initiation. Someone forgot to quantify its parameterized state without juxtapositioning it against a known metric such as the hyperbolic descriptor known as word soup. Duhhh... Must've been one of the interns. 😁

The sound chip is right next to the graphics processor, it too was a DMA chip (it's an MCU), so sound instructions (and "wavetables") could be sent to the chip and programmed, and the audio chip could run without CPU intervention.

@andlabs

4 жыл бұрын

Which part number?

@rasz

4 жыл бұрын

both appear to be custom VLSI chips kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZWT06x_dJuWj8Y.htmlm54s VTI is the original VLSI Technology, Inc. it was a contract manufacturer at teh time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLSI_Technology probably THE first ever 'Very Large Scale Integration' company, founded just a year after so called Mead/Conway revolution, that is the publication of a book and first practical MIT course based on it.

@ischmidt

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherDrum The sound processor is an Intel 8048 microcontroller running a software synthesizer and connected to an 8-bit DAC for output. The stereo module contains an identical 8048.

@ChristopherDrum

4 жыл бұрын

@@ischmidt Sorry, I mistyped. I meant "sound chip location is identified..." (*location* being the point of my post)

@mycosys

4 жыл бұрын

@@ischmidt just me or is the sound quality extraordinary for 1983?

when you said it was from 1984, i had to stop and rewind to make sure i'd heard you right. with the design, i would have NEVER guessed it was from the 80s!

@herrfriberger5

4 жыл бұрын

Why? There were many decent looking, or even beautiful, machines before those ugly IBM PCs and Macs took over everything...

Wow, this a trip down memory lane. I was amazed to see a video about this obscure computer. I purchased one of these back in 1985 with money I saved after several arduous weeks of mowing neighbors lawns and working a pt job after school. I really wish I had held on to it! Great video!

The 80186 was in a leadless carrier, and it was installed UPSIDE DOWN in the socket. The metal cap has the part markings and that side is buried in the socket.

@scharkalvin

4 жыл бұрын

@@Xilog It's upside down in the sense that the gold plated lid is facing DOWN. But so are the CONTACTS. The socket was designed to work that way. Usually the part number was also printed on the back side, but now always.

@Dant2142

3 жыл бұрын

@@scharkalvin So, the silicon is oriented like a modern flip-chip package, but the plate/heatspreader was also upside down? Weird.

17:55 I think you can remove that circlip on the RCA jack, then pull of that metal clamp and the halves may separate.

@sheepkind

4 жыл бұрын

thats what i thought too.

@1903tx

4 жыл бұрын

Yea, the best way to remove that is with some external snap ring pliers

@goukisama

4 жыл бұрын

I thought I saw that.

@Tiger351

4 жыл бұрын

That was my thought too!

@zaugitude

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, almost certainly how it would open; very cool design, huh? 😀

That bouncing Saturn demo looks suspiciously reminiscent of the Amiga bouncing ball demo.. did Amiga's engineers ever see this Mindset in action?

Probably one of my favorite pieces of hardware you've ever featured. It's absolutely beautiful and way ahead of its time. A big "what if" with all the compatibility things for sure. Loved it. Thank you for your video, David.

5:48 Video : Ball of Steel Me : Expecting comments about that

@David-xo8ci

4 жыл бұрын

Just waiting for LGR to comment.

@friendlyjapanesebusinesswoman

4 жыл бұрын

This is a comment

@CraigOrangeSoda

4 жыл бұрын

I'M HERE TO KICK ASS AND CHEW BUBBLE GUM

@clray123

4 жыл бұрын

Disappointed that he didn't use an unauthorized LGR sample for that comment.

@djflugel79

4 жыл бұрын

What about 3:34 that is nerdgasm too.

Makes you wonder what Windows on a Mindset would've felt/looked like... It's amazing how many old "failures" were actually just way too ahead of their times in concepts. (PS - glad to see some proper video capture of the system - slightly curious how the various video outs compare)

@TheErador

4 жыл бұрын

I seem to remember Windows 3.0 worked on the Nimbus 186, so it might work on the mindset.

@rasz

4 жыл бұрын

Microsoft was all talk back then, they couldnt even be bothered to properly support TIGA chipsets (full graphical processor running at 40-50MHz) in Windows 3.0 despite talking the talk.

I QA interned at Mindset. They were an incredible team, deep knowledge of hardware (custom blitter), compilers (side project early use of C in that market), databases, and many many other things. Part of the opportunity was the PC 5150 was a big empty chassis, but then the PC XT and PC AT started using that space for a hard disk.

thanks for a trip down memory lane. i was fortunate enough to work at mindset as did my father and sister. a couple notes: 1. the digital audio controller chip i believe was used to control fading of external video 2. the power switch on the keyboard was hated by employees because at lunch people would push the keyboard away from them and the switch would bump up against the computer and shut down causing many folks to lose their work. similar problem with the reset button. originally you didn’t need to press it in conjunction with the alt key so an accidental hit of it and the computer would restart 3. in the pac-man basic program what you’re seeing is hardware collision detection which was novel at the time 4. the mindset used custom vlsi graphic chips 5. it was originally conceived as a next generation atari home computer but when atari tanked the president of the home computer division left atari and formed mindset. 6. as a last ditch effort to save the computer the mindset was repositioned as a graphic worksatetion for television. a mindset 2000 system was built for this application but the industrial design was just a metal box as the company didn’t have the funds to hire robert bruner to do the industrial design

That game has some mind blowing graphics for 1984 hardware!!!

@Jules-on-AI

4 жыл бұрын

sure, a kid with that home must had a dad working at NASA or CERN

" It has a steel ball!" LGR approved, I suppose?

@Iliek

4 жыл бұрын

LOL! DUKE NUKAM REFERANCE!

@MinecartWithTNT

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iliek "I've got balls of steel"

@brycehollandsworth7175

4 жыл бұрын

that's a jojos reference

@Schule04

4 жыл бұрын

Jokes aside, almost every ball mouse had a steel ball enclosed in some rubber

@xXFlameHaze92Xx

4 жыл бұрын

@@brycehollandsworth7175 go fuck yourself, you fucking jojotard put your noses everywhere

Definitely good stuff here! Thanks for taking your time to share this and all your other content. Take a bow!

Amazing job getting your hands on one of these. This video is a great example of why you and LGR are the best in the business for content creation for retro tech.

It doesn't even look like a 90s PC. This thing could slot right into a modern desk, juuuust barely dated. Fonts and styling were about 30 years ahead of its time, maybe?

@Iliek

4 жыл бұрын

No: Current fonts and styles are throwbacks. Retro is always cool.

@RedHairdo

4 жыл бұрын

It does look like a 90s' PC a lot, actually. What it doesn't look so much like is an 80s' PC.

@silkwesir1444

4 жыл бұрын

@@RedHairdo I agree

@md_vandenberg

4 жыл бұрын

"It doesn't even look like a 90s PC." Why would it? It came out in 1984.

@atomiswave2

4 жыл бұрын

I think Tron was programmed on it.

"Volume in drive A is NOTFORSALE" xD

@mrmike7407

4 жыл бұрын

@Collin Abrams or could have been a PoS model for demonstration purposes maybe, who knows?

@jameswalker199

4 жыл бұрын

That means you can make copies and just give them away, right?

Someone described this computer as being very Amiga-like and I believe it. It’s amazing this thing was able to render 3D graphics so fast and so well in 1984!

Thanks for making this video, I had no idea of this computers existence, and having such a detailed tour is so fascinating. I live for this stuff.

I wish I could go to that warehouse.. LGR's video was so neat

@kirbyyasha

4 жыл бұрын

Same here! I'd give some of that stuff a good loving home!

@Dukefazon

4 жыл бұрын

I wish someone could buy all the stuff and categorized and saved all of it. I heard it's going to be bulldozed to the ground soon :(

@Dukefazon

4 жыл бұрын

@@will9357 Thanks! But someone really need to do some clean up and save the stuff from ratpiss and everything.

@DJSvenNo1

4 жыл бұрын

Me to...!

@nathanmead140

4 жыл бұрын

Me too i would get a newer PC if i could go there or if they shipped stuff and i had money

Nothing has driven the development and sales of personal computers more than games.

@Wilson84KS

4 жыл бұрын

Very romantic imagination, but in fact war and greed was the reason.

@Fezzler61

4 жыл бұрын

In early days, the spreadsheet?

@timm1328

4 жыл бұрын

Pornography?

@stanwbaker

4 жыл бұрын

@@timm1328 In the 90s, certainly. Heck if it wasn't for porno, we probably would still be reading newspapers.

@willierants5880

4 жыл бұрын

@@timm1328 Na that was just an after effect.

I know you've had it for a while now, but I just wanted to say how much I love the current 8-bit guy intro. The older ones were all good, don't get me wrong. But the current one is so fun and familiar and the music is such a bop, it always gets me excited for the video.

Great addition! Loved it. I'm from the era, so I get goosebumps when I see that kind of tech.

the Saturn just flying out of the BASIC prompt got a laugh from me

Vyper uses the ROM BIOS functions for all the graphics routines. Think about that.

@az09letters92

4 жыл бұрын

In 1983/84 or whatever. Jaw dropped. Graphics abstraction was basically unheard of that time. At least while keeping things still fast enough. This system could probably do pretty crazy things if one hardcodes graphics routines!

@serraramayfield9230

4 жыл бұрын

Any way you could get into that warehouse and get more hardware?

@Enkabard

4 жыл бұрын

Im actually kinda blown away, game from 1984 and its first person shooter and almost 3d game ? Whoa, this is pretty wild.

@greenaum

4 жыл бұрын

You know that for a fact? I suppose if they're high-level enough that's not too astounding. The PC's BIOS had a rep for being slow but that's not an intrinsic property of BIOSes, IBM's just sucked. Using the BIOS to set each pixel would've been terrible, but if you could move sprites around the place, including scaling and transforms, then it's no more astounding than a modern GPU using Open GL etc.

@tschak909

4 жыл бұрын

@@greenaum Yes.

Thank you for a wonderful video. And what a beautiful design!

Vyper REALLY reminds me of Starfox on the SNES

every other mouse: I use lazers and lights Mindset mouse: I HAVE BALLS OF STEEL

@udhi_gn3893

4 жыл бұрын

Optical mouse with lights were not a thing yet back in the 80s

That computer didn't sell very well, because it had the wrong mindset. XD

@friendlyjapanesebusinesswoman

4 жыл бұрын

XF

@TheDeeplyCynical

4 жыл бұрын

I think Perifractic would be proud of that pun

@jasonmurawski5877

4 жыл бұрын

Take my like and go away

@SeaJay_Oceans

4 жыл бұрын

Reading old ANTIC! magazines, Atari 400s for under $30, Atari 800s for under $60 liquidation of old stock, new in box, that would be worth a good deal more on eBay today !

@PureWar58073

4 жыл бұрын

Funny lol

Wonderful video! Mark of a great channel, making something I know little about, entertaining. Long live The 8bit Guy!

Wow this machine seems way ahead of its time. It looks fantastic, the curved moulded plastic is very Commodore!

How to take apart the stereo cartridge: You take the clip off from around the RCA composite connector using some small vice grips to separate the two loops which will allow you to pull the brushed metal retainer off the plastic and it probably clam shells out from the plastic side... Just guessin

@dh2032

3 жыл бұрын

we now need a follow up video

@markmaker2488

3 жыл бұрын

Your on the right track but the clip is called a circlip , vice grips wont work, you need a circlip removal tool which pushes the clip apart as you squeeze the handles together.

Intel 80186 was also used in the swedish Compis computer. Made for swedish schools. It ran CP/M-86.

@WardvanderHouwen

4 жыл бұрын

and in the Philips :YES computer as well. That ran the processor at 8MHz. I don't remember what OS it ran...

10:43 hardware accelerated pixel collision detection between sprites, maybe. That was an important thing for the time, since processor power was so limited and checking for collisions between sprites every frame was expensive.

Keep it up with the amazingly historical videos like this

One of the few computer models, even in this era, with balls of steel.

Ah, the 80186. There was another, mildly famous computer that ran that processor: The Research Machines RM Nimbus PC used in schools and colleges in the UK in the late 80s and early 90s. Wonderful machines. CGA Graphics but with more colours, BBC BASIC on ROM and, most important of all, it was mostly IBM compatible, if you ran the right bit of software that enabled compatibility mode. I had some fun times on those machines.

@ashleywhiteman2684

3 жыл бұрын

Wonder if you could mod one to be a mindset compatible

That is a really cool looking computer, one of the better retro designs I've seen. Really neat!

Keep up the good work David!

Just imagine if other DOS computers had these accelerated vector/sprite graphics that the mindset had. They would have been like DOS X68000s and games would have been out of this world.

@crouchypony

3 жыл бұрын

Have you noticed the original X68000 case bares some resemblance to the mindset?

@AshtonCoolman

3 жыл бұрын

@@crouchypony right?!

That computer! That STORE! I wish I could go there and rummage around for a few weeks... Unfortunately I'm from Denmark :(. I really hope, that stuff doesn't end up in the landfill.

@reneastle8447

4 жыл бұрын

It won't. They will be restored to working order.

@johnwhite9303

4 жыл бұрын

yes. hopefully they realize that would be like throwing away money or art.

@reneastle8447

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnwhite9303 Anything can be restored to working mint condition.

@truezulu

4 жыл бұрын

@@reneastle8447 Well... Custom chips are custom chips. They can be approximated to some degree with circuitry, but it's not the same/the full experience. FPGA and equivalent can help too, but that's an even worse approximation...

@drumguy1384

4 жыл бұрын

It doesn't appear that it will be going into the landfill. Unfortunately, the owner passed away several weeks ago. But a group of local enthusiasts have partnered with the owner's daughter to organize and sell off anything anyone wants to buy. Obviously, the proceeds will go to the family, but the enthusiasts have gotten involved to make sure that none of the history gets destroyed.

easily one of your top 3 videos ever

Amazing old pc. Great video as always:) Also, am stunned how well that '3d' game runs.

The top part really reminds me of the Sharp X68000...

@AshtonCoolman

4 жыл бұрын

It's an X68000 on its side! The vector/sprite graphics acceleration reminds me of that as well.

@gunmatheretrogamer747j

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah,more like the pro models

This could have become the Amiga of the PC world, considering all those custom accelerator chips.

@digiowl9599

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah i kept thinking back to the Amiga again and again as the video was playing.

@johanbergman311

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefan W. The Mindset was released a year earlier than the Amiga, and the Mindset did have a blitter, although I have no idea how they compare.

@AiOinc1

4 жыл бұрын

It is the Amiga of the PC world - Ultimately a market failure in the United States that only the enthusiasts remember.

@xXTheoLinuxXx

3 жыл бұрын

Another fact is that this computer is made by ex--Atari engineers, just like the Amiga.

The 80's vibe in this video is Great!

Your channel is amazing! Please keep bringing out these 8-bit dinosaurs :)

Another use of the 80186 was the RM Nimbus PC-186 which were a very popular choice in UK schools in the late 80s/early 90s (not sure if they were used a lot outside of the UK). My middle school (1992 - 1996 for me) still had a load of them during my first couple of years, most of them diskless and booting over a token ring network from a server in the staff room.

@Elastane

4 жыл бұрын

My Junior/Infact school had a single unit in one of the classrooms near the playground, I still remember the first time I saw it - the first computer I ever saw (at least remember!)

@jammin023

4 жыл бұрын

Came here to mention the Nimbus 186. My school had a bunch of them booting over the net - in our case, a 10base2 coax network that could be brought down by the careless removal of a terminator (a fact that we computer-literate students occasionally abused if we wanted to skip a boring lesson to "help fix the network" :D ) Horrible slow things and with very poor PC compatibility, especially for games, which I daresay was part of their appeal to schools.

Ah, I have fond memories of 1984. Keep these great videos coming, you're my favorite retrocomputing youtuber.

Dear 8-bit guy, Your videos are the shiznit. Thank u a lot from Italy.

The Swedish school computer, Telenova Compis, also used the Intel 80186 CPU. The machine normally ran CPM-86 as its OS, but could run MS-DOS (version 3.2 I think) - and like the Mindset it was not particularly compatible with IBM PC.

Old graphics workstations are neat. If only there was more information about stuff like that.

@DextersTechLab

4 жыл бұрын

Information is sparse on stuff like this, graphics workstations / video painting systems were normally crazy expensive so only sold in small numbers. Try googling for Quantel Paintbox, Ampex Video Art, Dubner 20K, Spaceward Matisse and Xerox SuperPaint. There are others too like VideoToaster too but you probably know that one!

@The1Nomad

4 жыл бұрын

@@DextersTechLab I've heard of the Paintbox, but Im curious about what was used for old home video and television logos and stuff. There's gotta be some computer behind it all, and it would be cool to know what that is.

@mycosys

4 жыл бұрын

same goes for audio workstations

@DextersTechLab

4 жыл бұрын

@@The1Nomad There was lots of options, rostrum based cel animation, genlocked computers, some would have been sent off to a specialist company to be rendered on a computer as CGI or it could have been just regular optical and video effects. The BBC even had a dedicated bit of hardware to generate the BBC world logo (google for 'BBC Computer Originated World') There was no 'one' solution. It could even be a combination of several techniques composited together. This short video might help explain some of it... kzread.info/dash/bejne/aIyflKeNZdvAhbA.html

@bitsaversru

4 жыл бұрын

History of VidiFont titling system is quite interesting -- jcbd.com/vidifont/

The 80186 was also used in the BBC Master 512. It had a 65C02 which would run all of the BBC Computer software and an 80186 which ran DR-DOS and the GEM-PLUS graphical operating system. It was hopelessly incompatible with almost everything from the world of DOS. I think only about 20 software titles worked on it.

@marvellousleopard

4 жыл бұрын

Another UK user of the 80186 was the Research Machines Nimbus - very large in the education market. I remember doing work experience with them :-)

@markshade8398

4 жыл бұрын

Compaq also sold a system with a 80186 for a short time.

@dreambyte7926

4 жыл бұрын

If memory serves, the BBC Master 512 did not exactly have DR-DOS yet, but an earlier product, DOS Plus 1.x, which essentially was CP/M-86 with a built-in DOS 2.11 ABI level emulator called PCMODE. This early hybrid could run both CP/M-86 and MS-DOS programs (incl. batch files). In theory, it also could run CP/M-80 programs via emulation (at the rime, CP/M emulators existed for various platforms, including MS-DOS, CP/M-68k and CP/M-86 platforms). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Plus Edit: At some point, the 512 also came with v2.1 apparently. My apologies. I should have had been more thorough in this case. ^^;

@TheDymaxion

4 жыл бұрын

I worked with convergent technologies workstations that used the 80186 cpu

I remember when this was on the cover of Byte Magazine. I briefly wanted one. The Amiga made me happy, though.

Always cool to see different old computers still out there and alive

Neat to see "Program Load Priority" in the sys config. Very similar to the "boot priority" we have in BIOS/UEFI nowadays, but it's really cool to see it used even way back then. Also, I can only assume the "at" program was used to demonstrate sprite-on-sprite collision detection, based on the demonstration.

@jameswalker199

4 жыл бұрын

I have read and acknowledged your comment, but I need to say that I've seen your avatar elsewhere...

I feel like removing the C-clip on the RCA jack would most likely get you into that sound cartridge. But you're probably right, best not to mess too much with such a rare piece of hardware, especially a loaner. :)

@Colaholiker

4 жыл бұрын

You beat me to it, I was just about to write a similar comment. ;-) Thankfully I scrolled through the comments first. But even with that clip off, there is still a chance that the parts of the module's cover are just held together by plastic clips. And those are probably very brittle after all these years.

@haraldhimmel5687

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure there would be a screw under the sticker.

Love rewatching this old videos.

great youtube channel, thank you for your hard work

The 80186 was also used in the Philips Yes! computer and on Acorn PC boards.

@johnfrancisdoe1563

4 жыл бұрын

oiSnowy It was also used in the ICL-owned RC Piccoline computers that were common in schools in the 1980s. They had a similar look but the floppy box would be shared between 4 computers to save costs for a classroom setup. These machines ran CCP/M-86 and more closely followed the Intel documentation stating that int 00 to 1F were reserved for future CPU enhancements, 20 to 2F for BIOS etc., rules blatantly violated by the IBM PC and MS-DOS.

@RM_Nimbus_Museum

4 жыл бұрын

....and the RM Nimbus

@saveddijon

4 жыл бұрын

And the DEC Rainbow - a cross between a (not quite compatible) IBM PC and a VT320 dumb terminal.

@jorgendnilsson

4 жыл бұрын

...and in the swedish/norwegian school computer Compis / Scandis made by TeleNova.

@cracyc00

4 жыл бұрын

@@saveddijon Nope, Rainbow had an 8088 and Z80.

Although Mindset got a couple of things wrong they were actually ahead of their time without a modular computer workstation. The design and effort even in the name itself is incredible!

Your channel is gold, just subscribed.

This was quite amazing! Thanks for sharing this. :)

*Runs audio programme* "Nothing to see here.." ;-)

Heads up ... there's another computer that used an Intel 80186. The Research Machines Nimbus, which was marketed as an educational workstation for schools here in the UK. Early versions used the 186, before the CPU was changed for a 286 (then a 386) in later models. That's another seriously rare machine for you to hunt down.

@bobholmes4215

Жыл бұрын

Glad you said this, I was going to say the same thing. I don't know if they were ubiquitous across education in the UK, but they were certainly common enough that I saw them in our high school computer room, and then again when I went to college. They soon started to gather dust tho' when the the college bought a bunch of 386 IBM clones in another part of the room.

Wow... that is cool man! This is SO over my head. 👍👍

Thanks for all your excellent videos. Computer Reset is an amazing place, I wish I was close enough to be able to go there.

If there had been used a computer instead of the Delorean in Back to the Future for sure it would have been the Mindset

Wait a sec you only showed the inside of the Mindset but not the floppy controller?

Awesome!!! Thank-you very much for the information. I don't have one, or plan to get one but I love the info about this vintage obscure PC!

Thanks for a great informative video. Vintage cassette decks are my hobby. Now after watching this video, I'll be looking into vintage computers. 👌

You might find the book "Marketing High Technology" by Bill Davidow interesting. He was head of marketing at Intel in the early 80s. One of the anecdotes in the book describes how the 80186 was marketed as needing "only" 14 peripheral chips.

16:58 the upper video chip is marked VTI, also known as VLSI Technologies. So as far as I know it's a custom job ASIC.

The most relaxing videos on KZread...Somehow. And starts with Carmen's theme. Yay!

Love your stuff! Keep it up :)

My gosh... I've been waiting FOREVER for someone to make a video about Mindset. It's really great to see one in action for a change. From a technical standpoint it's not quite as advanced as I had initially heard (being architecturally more similar to the AtariST than the Amiga), but it's still quite interesting.

The way it has the dual drives on top reminds me of the Apple IIe

I love the snap ring holding the RCA jack in place on the stereo expansion module.

Your channel is really fun. Thanks

Now that solid-state memory is once again The Future Of Computing, someone should make a SD card reader for those ROM slots.

Fascinating. A truly interesting & obscure system. LGR must be green with envy... 😜

i love the music you use in your videos.

Great channel, great work, lots of cool stuff :)