Mindscape 86 |Martin Rees on Threats to Humanity, Prospects for Posthumanity, & Life in the Universe

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Anyone who has read histories of the Cold War, including the Cuban Missile Crisis and the 1983 nuclear false alarm, must be struck by how incredibly close humanity has come to wreaking incredible destruction on itself. Nuclear war was the first technology humans created that was truly capable of causing such harm, but the list of potential threats is growing, from artificial pandemics to runaway super-powerful artificial intelligence. In response, today’s guest Martin Rees and others founded the Cambridge Centre for the Study of Existential Risk. We talk about what the major risks are, and how we can best reason about very tiny probabilities multiplied by truly awful consequences. In the second part of the episode we start talking about what humanity might become, as well as the prospect of life elsewhere in the universe, and that was so much fun that we just kept going.
Lord Martin Rees, Baron of Ludlow, received his Ph.D. in physics from University of Cambridge. He is currently Emeritus Professor of Cosmology and Astrophysics at the University of Cambridge, as well as Astronomer Royal of the United Kingdom. He was formerly Master of Trinity College and President of the Royal Society. Among his many awards are the Heineman Prize for Astrophysics, the Gruber Prize in Cosmology, the Crafoord Prize, the Michael Faraday Prize, the Templeton Prize, the Isaac Newton Medal, the Dirac Medal, and the British Order of Merit. He is a co-founder of the Centre for the Study of Existential Risk.

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  • @sheridancopley8787
    @sheridancopley87874 жыл бұрын

    Privileged listening to this podcast. Night time listening, at bedtime. Best podcast on KZread, in my opinion.

  • @Zeke-Z

    @Zeke-Z

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, and here I thought I was the only one ha ha! Every night as I fall asleep this podcast is playing. What a resource, especially for those wanting to learn quantum physics.

  • @youtubeuser9972
    @youtubeuser99724 жыл бұрын

    by far the best podcast on youtube. I could say many things about how incredible smart the host and the guests are and how diverse and fun the episodes are. I just wish more people had the chance to listen to this incredible product. I really hope you get more subscribers and viewers

  • @samphazm
    @samphazm4 жыл бұрын

    Quite gobsmacked by this conversation. One to return to again and again. Brilliant.

  • @maicasworld4660
    @maicasworld46604 жыл бұрын

    I wish more people listened to you bro. Im a young black guy and just wished my friends enjoyed your podcast so i can theorize with my peers til then... I got you and lex friedman

  • @maicasworld4660

    @maicasworld4660

    4 жыл бұрын

    You can ignore color all you want I wasn't trying to race bait just wishing there was peers in the hood who was interested in things like this. I was always mocked for being intelligent. It's nice to hear intelligent people speak

  • @maicasworld4660

    @maicasworld4660

    4 жыл бұрын

    Your right i should've left color out of it. It's the wiser reaction. I'm still growing lol

  • @bmoneybby

    @bmoneybby

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @bmoneybby

    @bmoneybby

    4 жыл бұрын

    He can express himself however he wants

  • @caricusmeridius8217

    @caricusmeridius8217

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@maicasworld4660 There is no problem with mentioning your color if it helps you describe your background and where you came from/went through etc.. I didn't have a problem with you saying you were black

  • @T.Dimitrov
    @T.Dimitrov4 жыл бұрын

    Please, Mr.Carroll start to film your podcasts.

  • @justaname2422

    @justaname2422

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, body language says a lot about the topics and conversation.

  • @kiran0511

    @kiran0511

    4 жыл бұрын

    why ? If he has graphics yeah...else why bother ? 🤷‍♂️

  • @TheTrogolizer

    @TheTrogolizer

    4 жыл бұрын

    He's mentioned in a previous podcast that the audio-only setup allows for more convenient interviews where he travels to the guest. Also, camera is big money.

  • @caricusmeridius8217

    @caricusmeridius8217

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah on KZread if the podcast has a video it will get more views

  • @smoozerish

    @smoozerish

    4 жыл бұрын

    He won't because he likes to do his podcasts naked

  • @jaybingham3711
    @jaybingham37114 жыл бұрын

    Both of you absolutely nailed the perfect pace with this interview. Kudos, it was thoroughly enjoyable. And you also managed to fold in key tangential digressions... a couple of which are high on my 'pet peeve' list...being: 1) Indeed, one of the most important discoveries we hope to make is the finding and analysis of extraterrestrial life...first and foremost being the microscopic kind (versus the intelligent kind) in search of a possible second genesis. We've only got a handful of opportunities that offer us the hope of such a discovery (Mars, Venus, Enceladus, Europa and maybe Titan). So the willful shitting all over Mars (which, invariably, will happen with a man-mission) is simply too big of a risk to take for the foreseeable future. Mars needs to be protected for the next 200-300 years as we A) continue to send robotic missions in an effort to fully evaluate the entirety of this opportunity, and B) use that interval to develop proper off-planet, best-practices via the Moon; and, 2) Incomprehensible AI discoveries (notwithstanding something that might come from an AGI) and the black-box problem. There literally is no one capable of understanding Alpha Zero and the Go/Chess moves it makes. Most people are oblivious as to how problematic that is. Even if the AI outputs observables that can be cross-checked (e.g., like the weight of a proton), that still leaves us in a precarious position with matters more substantive than a game. Existence in a world of "cuz the machine says so" is super problematic on numerous grounds. Thank you for broaching these matters. It's not done nearly enough.

  • @jasonenyeart7250
    @jasonenyeart72504 жыл бұрын

    Love your content. On my 5th time listening to Something Deeply Hidden.

  • @sirilandgren

    @sirilandgren

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sean is the man for sure. He taught me to love the mystery of time, and made me discover the fascinating life of Hugh Everett.

  • @dave4148
    @dave41484 жыл бұрын

    12:00 pretty relevant to the spreading pandemic right now.

  • @cybercomputerized2074
    @cybercomputerized20744 жыл бұрын

    Love your podcast. Thanks

  • @sirilandgren
    @sirilandgren4 жыл бұрын

    Martin is such a fantastically humble and charming person, and not only smart but actually *wise*.

  • @sirilandgren

    @sirilandgren

    4 жыл бұрын

    Smart *and* wise I guess would be the requirements for getting into a place like the Centre for the study of existential risk.

  • @madderhat5852
    @madderhat58524 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed this episode. Love me some futurism 😁

  • @emrazum
    @emrazum4 жыл бұрын

    what a soothing podcast during this whole coronavirus hysteria

  • @jekonimus

    @jekonimus

    4 жыл бұрын

    yeah, remember some kind of antivirus. Avast is free...

  • @dannydandaniel8040
    @dannydandaniel80404 жыл бұрын

    That theme song...... Remind me of 1997 toying around w my new 16 bit sound blaster audio card on my new leading edge PC w my 14.4k modem.

  • @turtle2720

    @turtle2720

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dial-up modems :) memmaker... good times!

  • @JaapVersteegh
    @JaapVersteegh4 жыл бұрын

    I didn't find this depressing at all! Instead his rational and sensible approach made me hopeful and relaxed in this crazy time of disruption of the whole of society for I'm not sure what reason.

  • @CRSutherland
    @CRSutherland4 жыл бұрын

    Mind cape! A new subset of podcasts lol

  • @bendavis2234
    @bendavis22342 жыл бұрын

    1:01:40 Neurolink is up to the task right now! I think he underestimates the speed of technological progression in this podcast. Sure, we don’t have AGI now, but tech companies are fully committed to create AGI and they aren’t stopping anytime soon.. I’d be very surprised if Moore’s Law doesn’t hold up until we accomplish AGI, and once that happens we will have created one of the most desirable technologies in human history.

  • @Stadtpark90
    @Stadtpark904 жыл бұрын

    05:11 „(the risk) ... when you are exploring a parameter space that’s never been explored by nature itself.“ - But that’s wrong in the case of the LHC? Afaik there were two lines of argument: 1. the universe produces collisions with higher energies all the time, 2. a miniature Black Hole would evaporate immediately anyway; I mean technically his argument was about „unknown unknowns“ and thus still stands, but the way he made it, rubbed me the wrong way. Edit: 19:00 I see, so he mentions it himself, thus restoring my confidence in him^^

  • @ulenrich
    @ulenrich4 жыл бұрын

    How long would it take to cool down Venus by putting some mirrors in front of the planet? Wouldn't it be the planet to terraform rather than Mars?

  • @Slapwagons
    @Slapwagons4 жыл бұрын

    Crazy foresight into this whole coronavirus thing lol.

  • @E.Carbenia
    @E.Carbenia4 жыл бұрын

    Just bringing attention to the misspelling in the title "Mindcape" - not a big deal to me, but it might not be good for the algorithm. Great podcast as usual! wasn't as doom and gloom as I thought it might be before listening.

  • @seancarroll

    @seancarroll

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the catch!

  • @robertglass1698
    @robertglass16984 жыл бұрын

    This was great, except it was missing the discussions on kitty litter and life insurance. Oh well, I'll get over it.

  • @brettcameratraveler
    @brettcameratraveler4 жыл бұрын

    What happens at the coming point in history where the cost and availability of bio engineering inevitably drops to a level within the grasp of a enthusiast when we know that aprox 1% of the population has always been psychopathic? Is it even possible to perfectly prevent and combat Every genetically engineered mass virus released after that point in history?

  • @nukknight
    @nukknight4 жыл бұрын

    How topical

  • @RyanReece
    @RyanReece4 жыл бұрын

    Would have been nice to see Sir Rees talk some sense into Sir Freeman Dyson about the risks from climate change.

  • @rantallion5032
    @rantallion50324 жыл бұрын

    I just had a dream that Sabine Hossenfelder dressed up like wonder woman, tied me up with her golden lasso, and forced me to deny that MWI is science.

  • @bytefu
    @bytefu4 жыл бұрын

    What has Internet culture done to me... At first, I read Martin's last name as a verb.

  • @rajens1
    @rajens14 жыл бұрын

    "It was reported a budgerigar fell off it's perch"

  • @ianmorgan889

    @ianmorgan889

    4 жыл бұрын

    OMG! Where? Is it all right?-any counselling needed?

  • @FUTUREWA
    @FUTUREWA4 жыл бұрын

    What if the human behavioural shocks from Coronavirus crash the economic system?

  • @smith5796

    @smith5796

    3 жыл бұрын

    What if indeed.

  • @bryanroland8649
    @bryanroland86494 жыл бұрын

    21:45 "It was shown in 2011 that it is surprisingly easy to make flu viruses more virulent and transmissible". Don't want to add to the current paranoia. Just saying it would be easy.

  • @smishi
    @smishi4 жыл бұрын

    why ruin pasta sauce for me :(

  • @smith5796

    @smith5796

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am also worried after hearing this about Tomato sauce a year later. I would never have believed it.

  • @ianmarshall9144
    @ianmarshall9144 Жыл бұрын

    The lords is an outdated system , yet if they all were of this intellect it would put the commons to shame ,

  • @mitchkahle314
    @mitchkahle3144 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/g5l6k6yIZ67PaKg.html "Don't pooh-pooh a pooh-poohing."

  • @chrisrecord5625
    @chrisrecord56254 жыл бұрын

    Bezo's phone was hacked a year ago.

  • @HarryNicNicholas
    @HarryNicNicholas2 жыл бұрын

    voice from the future, march 2020 eh? talking about viruses eh?

  • @eriklagergren
    @eriklagergren4 жыл бұрын

    Wouldn't an electronic culture ultimately be driven by entopy. Expanding until resisted? Asking for a friend.

  • @myothersoul1953

    @myothersoul1953

    4 жыл бұрын

    Naw, it would just curl up in a ball and play with itself. Expanding would just be a waste of energy.

  • @AndreAmorim-AA
    @AndreAmorim-AA4 жыл бұрын

    Mutation X-Men

  • @Onaquest1618
    @Onaquest16184 жыл бұрын

    All leaders pander to their lobbyists. This is a ridiculous conversation, and really reveals the non progress these leaders are making other than selling their books. This is not news. Produce results. I do enjoy these and Lex Fridman's podcast. This one does invoke a certain silliness among trusted leaders.

  • @zigatretjak75
    @zigatretjak754 жыл бұрын

    Very poignant podcast

  • @Hashishin13
    @Hashishin133 жыл бұрын

    Talks about new technologies being exclusive to the rich seems to ignore the entirety of the history of technology, even when they go on to talk about that history. Cars and computers were once only for the rich. The first cars were driven by rich old white men in top hats. Take a look at the 8-10 lane highways crammed with traffic in LA on any given day of the week. Are they all wearing top hats still? Computers were once only usable by engineers, not only because they were so complicated, but also because they cost so much that you needed the finances of large institutions just to purchase the room or table top sized computers. According to a quick google search you can buy a used iphone for about 80 dollars now. Maybe not everyone can justify buying one, but most of the western world could justify that price. Any iphone is far more powerful and capable than the room sized multi-million dollar original computers. Its funny that people think of the technologies of the far future and then apparently can't imagine a decade or fifty years later when it will be cheap enough for most people.

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